Virus trends in the Philippines

By Joe America

I’ve been following the Department of Health’s (DOH’s) daily reports on the virus out of China. Here’s the link.

I can’t really ‘see’ the trend lines from the daily or interactive reports so I’ve crunched the data to give a trend line of admitted patients, discharges, and confirmed cases. This reconciles to the daily total of Patients Under Investigation – Admitted (PUI-A), where the formula is as follows:

  • Prior day’s PUI-A + new PUI-A – discharges – confirmed cases = today’s PUI-A

Here’s today’s report on this basis:

And here the data is in simple graph format.

Here are my take-aways from the graph:

  • DOH appears to have gotten testing capabilities on February 9 resulting in a flurry of discharges from February 11th through 15th. This resulted in a shrinkage of the admitted patients being cared for in hospitals.
  • DOH at one point noticed that some people with symptoms were refusing hospitalization. They were removed by DOH from the data. But they are out there.
  • No new cases of the virus have been confirmed. DOH has been working to track down those in contact with the confirmed cases. If they are in the PUI-A numbers, we don’t know the results of testing.
  • Who are the discharged patients? People with sore throats and fever who got better, or people with symptoms who tested negative.
  • The number of PUI-A cases appears to have stabilized around 170. Maybe it’s ticking up. Maybe it will tick down as testing gets extended to the outlying regions. It is too soon to tell.

The news is optimistic as the flow of cases appears modest and within the capacity of existing health care facilities. But it is very early in the spread of the disease outside of China. So we should be . . . uh . . . vigilant.

If you see anything else of note, let us know in the comment section. I’ll continue to track the data and report if there are meaningful trends.

 

Comments
192 Responses to “Virus trends in the Philippines”
  1. NHerrera says:

    Nice job TSH Editor cum Auditor! That is, after reading slowly the current blog:

    – the formula
    – the table
    – the takeaway

    For now, here is my trivial editing item (finicky me): instead of the “new admissions” use New PUI-A to correspond to your table. I will digest this blog some more and see if I can come out with more helpful/ substantial comments.

    Meantime, I am relieved about what DOH has done on covid-19; but your negative notes on the takeaway are spot-on.

  2. josephivo says:

    – Using the same criteria/methods over the whole period? Or same changes as in China?

    – What is the geographic spread? (Are the 7000 islands helping or hindering?)

    – What figures is the boss wanting to hear? “No problem”, thanks to me or “big problem”, I alone can solve”? The boss’ preference often creates bias in the measurement of facts here.

    – But most of all: how will it be in June, I have a Air France flight to Europe via Taiwan.

    And now I have to wash my hands after typing about Covid 19.

    • Same criteria. DOH has a flow chart of procedures to be followed to properly assign people to quarantine or hospital. The geographic spread is on their interactive chart on the referenced web page. I didn’t try to profile everything, just highline trends. The boss indeed affects DOH decision-making as we’ve seen Sec Duque accede to allowing Chinese visitors. Your flight? Have a contingency plan.

      Thanks for risking typing. 🙂

      • Marijke says:

        @The Society of Honor “allowing Chinese visitors”.
        During 2009 H1N1 outbreak, I don’t recall xenophobic anti-America attacks across the globe, do you? In fact, do you recall it took six months for the U.S. to declare a national emergency? Did any government from the onset in April 2009 through the end in April 2010, including the month of June, when H1N1 was declared an international emergency global pandemic, then send out a notice to its citizens that they should leave the United States? Close their borders to American travelers? Nope, not a peep.

          • Here are the relevant numbers from the CDC report:

            “From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

            Since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the (H1N1)pdm09 flu virus has circulated seasonally in the U.S. causing significant illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths. Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.”

        • That virus began in June of 2009 and killed 17,000 by the end of 2009. It was declared over on August 10, 2010. The flu emerged as a combination of human and swine diseases in Mexico, and then the Southwestern US. President Obama declared a national emergency in October 2009, and that helped restrain spread of the disease. 213 countries reported cases.

          The distinguishing feature of the coronavirus is its hidden contagious period which can be as short as 5 days and as long as 14 days, with anecdotal incidents as long as 24 days. The worldwide shutdown is because of the fear of massive contagion during the hidden period.

          I trust you are not making a political comparison of the diseases, nor object to nations trying hard to keep their citizens from catching the disease.

  3. Marijke says:

    I’m just making you think. Just an analysis on what you wrote.
    “allowing Chinese visitors”, was suggesting that this was a wrong action.

    This has been an unknown threat and people behave in numerous ways when facing an unknown threat/crisis. Some are scared and spread nasty rumors, some want to bring on the Armageddon, some are selfish and greedy but the majority hold together, are rational and practical and do things to help their neighbors, family and friends.

  4. NHerrera says:

    FIRST, AN ANALOGY

    Consider a water tank. There is water in the tank, incoming water, and outgoing water. In bullet form:

    * Water in the tank = PUI-A
    * Incoming new water going into the tank = New PUI-A
    * Outgoing water from the tank = Discharges and Confirmed Cases

    And thus, the blog’s formula:

    Prior day’s PUI-A + New PUI-A – Discharges – Confirmed Cases = Today’s PUI-A

    • NHerrera says:

      SECOND, SOME COMMENTS

      Comments related to the blog’s takeaway from the statistics shown in the table and chart. [By the way, as usual, the chart which reflects the information from the table gives a quick way of understanding the situation].

      DOH at one point noticed that some people with symptoms were refusing hospitalization. They were removed by DOH from the data. But they are out there.

      COMMENT. There must be some more persuasive or “forceful” means to have those with symptoms refusing hospitalization to be hospitalized for diagnosis-testing for their own good as well as the community’s. For example, Duque should not be shy going to President for the latter’s help to get some “police powers.” Otherwise, one or two infected persons who get away may quite likely infect others and can start a chain-reaction, making DOH’s problem worse.

      The number of PUI-A cases appears to have stabilized around 170. Maybe it’s ticking up. Maybe it will tick down as testing gets extended to the outlying regions. It is too soon to tell.

      COMMENT. The important point is continue to have the daily PUI-A go down or low (the water in the tank in my analogy above), through efficient diagnosis and testing of the PUI-A. This, resulting from discharges for testing negative to covid-19, among others; and confirming some to be infected by virus [though hopefully not add to the already 3 confirmed cases]. The chart shows it has peaked in conjunction with a lower entry of new PUI-A and DOH’s testing work. We hope the daily net PUI-A stays low. So far so good — it seems.

      • Marijke says:

        @NHerrera, “There must be some more persuasive or “forceful” means to have those with symptoms refusing hospitalization to be hospitalized…”

        Did you hear that the monstrous regime authoritarians were arresting people in China who wouldn’t cooperate? Yes, that’s right.
        Let’s think about that. There’s a killer bug going around with a symptom free incubation period of 2 weeks. As soon as you get symptoms, you MUST report to a hospital and talk to us. You MUST tell us as clear as you can who you were in contact with and where during the past two weeks so we can try to find them and tell them, add your information to the tracking map to stop this virus from becoming a pandemic.
        Get it? You don’t feel like cooperating?

        • karlgarcia says:

          @Marijke
          Even if things are that stringent at ground zero,
          one protocol not followed then everything will be wasted.

          In that cruise ship, 2 weeks were most likely wasted because quarantine protocols were not followed by staff and others.
          They still sleep in shared quarters, and stuff like that.

          Now some say after unboarding, they have to be quarantined again for another two weeks,

          You can not also not understand the apprehensions of people because the virus is still spread around the world by people from Wuhan.

          What happened in 2009 is a lesson, if it were lax then, you would not want the same laxness to be repeated .
          Moving forward, I hope there would be less apprehension and phobias of any type as we understand what is going on.

          If you are a Chinese citizen from the mainland, we do not hate China or the Chinese.
          We do not like what our governments have been doing with regards to matters other than this health scare.

          • Marijke says:

            @karlgarcia, “If you are a Chinese citizen”,

            Wrong assumption, i am an European, lived in many places (also the Philippines for 5 years). Lived very close (20m away) to the Aquino’s house in the Times street (Quezon City) in Manila.

            I am a mature adult like many with the powers of observation.
            Societies and their governments have good points and bad points.

            “We do not like what our governments have been doing….”
            What percentage of the Chinese population do we think hates the CCP? Personally I think the vast majority of the country, well over 80% are happy with the job the govt is doing. They have less of that priceless individual freedom there which is a trade off to keep the society more stable and harmonious.

            and are you still blaming the Democrat party in the US for the slave-trade? People and governments evolve, make mistakes and improve the lives of the many. A little more focus on the present and future is needed.

            • karlgarcia says:

              My apologies for the assumptions and presumptions.
              Thanks for your views.
              About evolving-I hope Duterte listens to you and reads you. He still blames America for its early 20th Century faults.

      • It ticked down yesterday the 18th as some 50 cases were discharged and only 11 new cases were admitted.

  5. NHerrera says:

    Good point. I said persuasive and used quotation marks to terms “forceful” and “police powers” to mean some aggressive means perhaps and offering kind words while spanking the delinquent’s head. What if these guys start a covid-19 chain reaction? A spanking of the head is probably not enough?

  6. NHerrera says:

    THIRD, A COMMENT ON THE PROGRESSION OF PERSONS UNDER INVESTIGATION – ADMITTED OR PUI-A

    The chart is useful here:

    YELLOW = PUI-A
    BLUE = New PUI-A
    ORANGE = Discharges
    GREY = Confirmed Cases

    The progressions of the different items seems, to me, typical. In the earliest stage we have zero on all items. Then people with symptoms start to appear, more and more, which leads to the “tank,” in the analogy filling with water more and more, while the preparations and investigations starts slowly — allowing further accumulation of PUI-A until the authorities now armed with their tools start to work seriously and with speed — resulting in either discharges for negative test or confirmation of cases. With the strong medical activity (a flurry, the blog notes), it is able to slow the further accumulation of PUI-A, in fact showing a peak (tentatively?).

    This is now water under the bridge, but if the Chinese high authorities worked with dispatch — instead of suppressing the “rumors” of a new virus — during the “hidden period,” Joe calls it, the accumulation of confirmed cases would not have reached the scale it came to, so as to overwhelm the medical facilities in the epicenter of the virus — which in the nature of progression mentioned above, led to more accumulation when finally the authorities acted with draconian measures (some credit to be given to them).

    On another related case we have the cruise ship Diamond Princess. That is worthy of some forensic study on how in a few weeks some 500 (as of today) out of a total passengers and crew of 3700 were infected with covid-19 — that is, an infection of 14% out of the total ship’s population. In restrospect, the new entrants to the infected cases accumulated in the ship without the requisite medical facilities available in a land-based facility.

    • NHerrera says:

      THE EFFECTS OF BETTER HEALTH CARE SYSTEM

      Mike Ryan — executive director of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Programme — was responding to a report published Monday by scientists with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, showing that patient outcomes in Hubei province are a key driver of the 2.3% case fatality rate [in Mainland China] they calculated. In Hubei, that number is 2.9%; in other Chinese provinces, that number is 0.4%.

      Ryan: numbers suggesting death rates from coronavirus may be higher inside Wuhan and lower elsewhere may reflect “severe” pressure on the health care system there.

      The upside, Ryan added, is that “the lessons that have been learned in Hubei and Wuhan are being applied elsewhere.” Those lessons include predicting who’s most at risk, getting people into critical care early, and ensuring medical teams are well trained in advanced critical care techniques such as ventilation.

      • NHerrera says:

        Still on the effect of comparable health care system.

        Not too coincidentally, outside Mainland China, there are already 5 deaths from a confirmed cases base of about 1,000. While the statistics for a small number base is not as good, the death rate from that base is 0.5%, comparable to Mainland China’s, excluding the epicenter province, Hubei, which is 0.4% as we noted above.

      • NHerrera says:

        AGAIN, THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW

        A vaccine for the novel coronavirus could take 12 to 18 months to develop, according to Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general for the World Health Organization.

        But a vaccine is preparing for “the worst situation,” he said, and for now, long-term preparation needs to be balanced with immediate public health solutions that contain the virus and keep the fatality rate low.

        “This is a window of opportunity that should not be missed,” Tedros said Tuesday during a press briefing.

  7. NHerrera says:

    SYMPTOM-BASED SCREENING INEFFECTIVE

    Simply checking travelers for symptoms such as fever or cough is not enough to avoid spreading the novel coronavirus, a new report by German researchers said Tuesday.

    Published in the New England Journal of Medicine, the paper assessed the screening process used on 126 people who were evacuated from Wuhan, China, to Germany.

    Despite going through multiple screenings once arriving in Germany, two of the travelers ultimately tested positive for the coronavirus.

    “A symptom-based screening process was ineffective for detecting (the virus),” the paper said.

  8. NHerrera says:

    From BBC

    Several experts have raised questions about how effective the quarantine measures were [on board the Diamond Princess].

    Kentaro Iwata, professor at the infectious diseases division of Kobe University, described the situation on board as “completely chaotic”, in a video posted to YouTube on Tuesday.

    He visited the ship saying it “was completely inadequate in terms of the infection control” by failing to clearly separate the infected from the healthy.

    The expert said he was more afraid of catching the virus on board than he had been working in the field during Ebola and Sars outbreaks.

    • karlgarcia says:

      This somehow validates my comment addressed to Marijke.

      @Marijke
      Even if things are that stringent at ground zero,
      one protocol not followed then everything will be wasted.

      In that cruise ship, 2 weeks were most likely wasted because quarantine protocols were not followed by staff and others.
      They still sleep in shared quarters, and stuff like that.

      Now some say after unboarding, they have to be quarantined again for another two weeks,

      • kasambahay says:

        last I heard, the aussies unboarding from infected cruise ship will be re-quarantined on reaching australian soil, same with our fellow pinoys who’ll be re-quarantined in pinas soil.

        pinoys complain mostly about losing jobs. well, if they die from the virus, their families will have more to contend with: aside from funeral to arrange, they would have to find another bread winner.

  9. Joe,

    the human mind is designed to recognize faces (and its myriad expressions, this is the basis of our intelligence). With everyone wearing masks now, especially over there, I’m sure this development adds more (not less) to our stress. Lowering immune functions, not working at its optimal.

    So i found this https://faceidmasks.com/ GREAT IDEA!!! you take a picture of your face (preferably smiling or content) , upload it, and then order said masks. More smiles will cause less stress, thus causing everyones’ immune systems to function at its optimal.

    Although I do agree with panic (or worst case scenario posturings) , having a smile on ones face whilst wearing a mask, seems to make a whole lot of sense.

    • karlgarcia says:

      You and your ideas.

    • kasambahay says:

      wearing face mask somewhat put facial recognition recognition inoperable. it needs to be able to calculate the nose and mouth ratio.

      • karlgarcia says:

        I have been wondering what happened to the big brother tech of China applied to its people has been used in this crisis. They tried to copy the UK cctv system,facial recognition tech, gait,etc.
        All it takes to render them useless are face masks.

        • kasambahay says:

          china is sending drones to warn people off the streets, to impose self quarantine and to stay hydrated.

          • kasambahay says:

            those on self quarantined in china found out that they have families! real families they can talk to just about anything. children that asked for hugs and kisses and help with homework, meals to be prepared and eating around the table sharing meals, talking face to face and just not texting.

            • karlgarcia says:

              That is nice about self quarantine, you will have full family support just make a checklist of the self quarantine protocols and you are good to go.

  10. Marijke says:

    I let the comments on you.

    [I have deleted the you-tube link which is a two-bit promotion of the idea the coronavirus is a US plot. It confirms my early suspicion that Marijke is here on a political mission, and it runs contrary to the goals for the blog. JA]

  11. NHerrera says:

    ON BLACK SWANS

    Walter Russell Mead, a Global View columnist of The Wall Street Journal wrote an opinion piece in the WSJ with the heading, “China Is the Real Sick Man of Asia.” For that three WSJ journalists were expelled from Beijing. Read the piece from this link:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-the-real-sick-man-of-asia-11580773677

    The concluding last three paragraphs read as follows.

    Many now fear the coronavirus will become a global pandemic. The consequences of a Chinese economic meltdown would travel with the same sweeping inexorability. Commodity prices around the world would slump, supply chains would break down, and few financial institutions anywhere could escape the knock-on consequences. Recovery in China and elsewhere could be slow, and the social and political effects could be dramatic.

    If Beijing’s geopolitical footprint shrank as a result, the global consequences might also be surprising. Some would expect a return of unipolarity if the only possible great-power rival to the U.S. were to withdraw from the game. Yet in the world of American politics, isolation rather than engagement might surge to the fore. If the China challenge fades, many Americans are likely to assume that the U.S. can safely reduce its global commitments.

    So far, the 21st century has been an age of black swans. From 9/11 to President Trump’s election and Brexit, low-probability, high-impact events have reshaped the world order. That age isn’t over, and of the black swans still to arrive, the coronavirus epidemic is unlikely to be the last to materialize in China.

    • NHerrera says:

      I forgot to relate the expulsion of the three WSJ journalists for a probable tit-for-tat move by Beijing.

      Yesterday (or is it today, hahaha, there is an old man’s memory for you, Joe) I read that the US has classified entities representing some five Chinese Papers as part of the Chinese Government. And as such, these entities are required to give data on staff names, addresses, phones, among others, to US authorities.

      That US move against Beijing’s expulsion of three WSJ, fair?

      • kasambahay says:

        those 3 wsj journos expelled in china ought to thank their lucky stars. american journalist adnan kashoggi did not have the luxury of being expelled, he got killed in saudi embassy in turkey.

        had the virus not brought china brought down on its knees, those journalists would have found themselves charged with espionage and jailed indefinitely.

        china is more like trump, both have no love for journalists except those that are partial and on their side. as well, in pinas, abs-cbn media house if facing closure, its franchise threatened of not being renewed, a gift from a disgruntled president.

  12. NHerrera says:

    THE STORY OF DIAMOND PRINCESS AS IT RELATES TO COVID-19

    This bit of statistics, including the ships size, may be useful to TSH readers.

  13. NHerrera says:

    My takeaway on the Diamond Princess infographic above.

    1. Wow, look at the ship’s dimension and guest rooms. Height above water, 62m — 18 decks; Length, 290m — about a third of a kilometer; 1337 guest cabins. Impressive!

    2. Remarkable indeed how from one covid-19 infected person taken on board on January 20 grew to 10 infections in February 4 and from there grew to 454 by February 17. A lot of lessons to be learned there.

    • Huge laboratory. I suspect I’ll never do another cruise unless it’s a canoe.

      • kasambahay says:

        oh, god, joeam, you should have seen how some cruise passengers are behaving badly. they ordered specialty food and copious drinks and dropped by willing drones. I would have raised a glass too, except that alcohol and infection dont mix. alcohol tends to exacerbate the rate of infection, makes one prone to infection too.

        well, if they were to die, they might as well be drunk, haha.

        • My brother was on a cruise to the Amazon last week. Filipino crewed. Everyone was freaking out. Halfway around the world. He was happy to get off the boat. Cruise liner companies will start tanking soon, I think.

          • sonny says:

            Joe, I have mentioned my 19-day trans-Pacific passage from Luneta to San Francisco, steerage class, APL SS Pres Wilson, in 1969. Our swimming pool (oversized bathtub, really) alternated water levels, 3 feet at one end and 4 feet at the other end depending on how rough the sea was. No comparison to present-day cruise liners. New designs of current cruise swimming pools maintains uniform water level throughtout the voyage.

            A close friend could afford today’s cruise luxury trips more than 5 times over. Yet he wouldn’t dare take one because of Youtube showings of these same ships in rough seas, (refer to Titanic scenarios also). He couldn’t imagine our coronavirus situation affecting air and sea travel (he has since passed away, early 2019). I know how it is to have a cruise interrupted, I caught pneumonia from co-passengers with flu. I was shunted to off-shore hospital facility and not speaking the language of those taking care of you. Only the managing doctor spoke English. Thank God. (speak of anxiety & daily tension facing unfamiliar surroundings)

            • Yieee. Gadzooks. I’ll never get on a boat again! I’m glad you are of strong bearing and I tend to subscribe to your friend’s view, may he RIP. I will say, however, that I’ve twice done cruises down the Nile, or up but going south, which is disorienting to one whose rivers run south and west, or east. Delightful. Sit in the bar watching the desert go by, sleep, arise to prowl ancient ruins, unload at Luxor. No pool, I think. The boats are of medium size to fit the river. The cheaper ones are rustic. As in really rustic.

              • sonny says:

                That Nile River cruise through those places of antiquity is as exotic as one can get, Joe. We will have to be content with old viewings of Indiana Jones and his search for the Holy Grail. 🙂

                I really wonder how the world will contract. I do with much foreboding.

              • Me, too. Risky, turbulent days ahead. Egypt is back on my bucket list for travel, actually. I’d like Joe Jr. to see the place which you rightly term ‘exotic’.

            • karlgarcia says:

              Stay healthy Unc, you got pneumonia twice in the last three years.
              I recall you got hospitalized in Singapore and the other time in your hometown.

              Singapore was expected to contain the coronavirus, if they can’t then no one can.

              • sonny says:

                Aye, Neph. I think my traveling days are over or greatly diminished anyway. Age made me realize lugging the normalcy of home while seeking “travel adventure” is more for the young and strong. Younger sis opted to go through with SE Asia to Middle East cruise, booked pre-corona virus. Thus they skipped Singapore & Thailand, Cambodian ports of call, headed for Dubai (still unquarantined I presume) via Indian Ocean.

              • karlgarcia says:

                Hope she enjoys what remains of her trip.
                What a first quarter storm.
                Cruise travel will be disrupted, supply chains will be disrupted.
                Somehow we adapt.

    • Marijke says:

      @NHerrera, nice done however you could go further in your analyze. Wat is the ages and race of infected people. How much died from it? Is there any relation between age,race,….from those that died?
      Answers are always in the details.

      Cheers

  14. karlgarcia says:

    @LCX,
    Your suggestion of just riding a boat instead of a Cruise Liner has been seconded by the chief, so I am withdrawing my objection hehehe

  15. NHerrera says:

    DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE COVID-19 SITUATION

    As the reported confirmed cases of covid-19 from China’s officialdom is winding down, WHO and other countries disease experts are still cautious especially since the situations in Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong have worsened and confirmed cases appearing in Iran, Egypt.

    Two opinion articles may be worth reading in this regard if one has the time. The first is rather dated (published February 15) article from Foreign Policy US news magazine — giving the writer’s view to the changing narratives of covid-19 as influenced by Chinese Politics. The second from Nikkei Asian Review is more recently published (February 19) and treats of related topics — the coronavirus outbreak and Chinese Politics.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/15/coronavirus-xi-jinping-chinas-incompetence-endangered-the-world/?utm_source=PostUp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=19815&utm_term=Flashpoints%20OC

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Political-carnage-of-China-s-coronavirus-outbreak-is-just-beginning

    • NHerrera says:

      Meanwhile..

      I took a look at DOH website and got:

      February 29: 17 19 0 133

      The numbers for the day correspond to the columnar headings of the blog’s table: New PUI-A, Discharges, Confirmed Cases, Today’s PUI-A.

      The last three days PUI-A, including today, are: 137, 135, 133 — still on a downtrend.

      • NHerrera says:

        More importantly (at least from DOH official data), the cumulative confirmed cases and deaths to date are, 3 and 1, respectively.

  16. NHerrera says:

    These statistics may be useful as reference. As of today (February 20) the reported death to confirmed covid-19 cases ratios or mortality rates are:

    Hubei, province of China, the covid-19 epicenter = 2,029/62,031 = 3.27%

    All China Provinces outside of Hubei = 91/12000 = 0.76%

    Worst hit provinces other than Hubei:

    * Guangdong = 5/1,331 = 0.38%
    * Henan = 19/1,262 = 1.51%
    * Zhejiang = 0/1,173 = 0.00%
    * Hunan = 4/1,008 = 0.40%
    * Anhui = 6/986 = 0.61%

    All other countries outside of Mainland China = 10/1100 = 0.91%

    * Diamond Princess = 2/624 = 0.32%

    • Marijke says:

      @NHerrera, good but would suggest you to go more into the details.
      Please correct me but i think all dead in China were Chinese.
      What about those that are outside the country?

      • It is not your job to direct the inquiries of others. If you have a point to make, make it. If you want data, dig it up and present it.

        • Marijke says:

          @The Society of Honor, i don’t find any non Chinese related DNA under the dead. Do you?

          • There have been one or two non-Chinese deaths reported so far, I think. Not many. Quite a few non-Chinese on the cruise ships have the disease and are at risk. Others are being re-patriated under quarantine conditions to try to stop the contagion. I think the horror stories coming out of Wuhan got international attention. China’s evident attempt to hide the outbreak, arresting of doctors and journalists, explosive spread of the disease. Now severe measures to wall off the contaminated districts. I know in the Philippines a common scan is to check temperature, if it is high, check the passport, if it shows recent travel in China or other areas of infection, go to 14 day quarantine.

        • NHerrera says:

          Good. Thanks.

          I do not want to do research for others here unless, I am inclined. Google and similar such search engine is available to anyone, even to my wife who got the hung of it only lately. Besides, I am 81 years old (the wife is 80); I guess that Marijke is not as old as I am.

          • Marijke says:

            @NHerrera, wala problema, im not that young also, retired person (but not at 50). The answer is simple, till now there is not one Caucasian, African dead. Only people that have Chinese DNA. One of the latest scientific reports confirmed that the virus is not capable of attacking African DNA. It seems that till now there is no African with this virus and this could confirm this report. All this raise more questions.

            • If you could provide a link to the report, I’d like to read it. WHO is concerned about Africa because of poor or stressed health facilities, but their reports say nothing about DNA peculiarities.

              • Marijke says:

                @The Society of Honor, i don’t have the link however i will contact the person that gave me this information today. Hope to have it by tomorrow (we are not located in the same country). I am also very curious about this.

              • I would note that 14 Americans on the cruise ship in Yokohama have picked up the disease, as well as Japanese passengers. Also the Filipino crew.

              • Marijke says:

                @The Society of Honor, Americans don’t have Chinese related DNA, Filipinos and Japanese does. My concerns is: till know i don’t see any Caucasian or African dying. Not that i want but this fact triggers me. Why?

              • Well, I hope you figure it out.

              • Marijke says:

                I have a manufacturing background, asking WHY WHY WHY will bring you to the cause of an issue. You could also use a fishbone diagram. Just for your reference.

              • I worked for the Japanese and we asked why five times, not three. And you could use fish bones as well rather than presume some superior way. I’ll tell you what, I’ve not seen any meaningful contribution from you, and I don’t know why you are here other than to promote some kind of American conspiracy theory. Contribute to our primary topic, the Philippines, or search for another forum to promote your theories.

          • Well good for your wife! That’s terrific. My son uses voice commands to do his searches. I still type them. I suppose I should try to break that barrier. My, my. Things move fast.

            • NHerrera says:

              The young ones, like Joe Junior, usually have a headstart on this. There are, I believe siri, cortana, alexa apps depending on the OS. I know there is a siri on my iphone but I haven’t bothered to use it. A son-in-law got me and the wife last year an Alexa box to put, among other places, on the bedroom night stand — to get answers to commands such as “Hi Alexa, wake me up at 6 am;” “Alexa, what is the temperature in Melborne, Australia.” But I haven’t yet opened the box. Yes, we have to get on with the times.

  17. Micha says:

    American biotech company claims it developed a vaccine for COVID-19 in just 3 hours

    https://www.ibtimes.sg/american-biotech-company-claims-it-developed-vaccine-covid-19-just-3-hours-39390

    • NHerrera says:

      That is great news, Micha. Human trial in seven months. The article uses the phrase by summer — which probably means “summer” in the temperate zone — August?

      • Micha says:

        Summer starts in June, at which time the virus might have already ended its devastating streak anyway.

        In the meantime, economies of directly affected countries will probably shrink in the first 2 quarters of the year. China is projected to have negative growth.

    • Marijke says:

      Background information:

      Ebola virus is owned by, patented by the U.S. military. The Zika virus is patented by the Rockefeller Foundation and coronavirus is patented by the Pirbright Institute, which is funded by Bill Gates.

  18. NHerrera says:

    MORE STATISTICS: THE DIAMOND PRINCESS AS A COVID-19 EPICENTER OF SORT

    After Micha’s vaccine development note above, I felt that this note is not needed anymore. However, for my effort, I will post it.

    I took the exponential daily infection rate of the global confirmed cases of covid-19, which is essentially that of Mainland China, considering that as of today only about 1100 of of the global number of 75,600 cases are outside of MC. From known numbers from Jan27 to Feb 20. For Mainland China,

    R = 15%

    For the Diamond Princess, taking the data from the infographic above

    R =23%

    Thus, the Diamond Princess has turned out to be a more efficient “laboratory” in the spread of covid-19, as noted earlier by Joeam.

    ********
    TECHNICAL NOTES

    R = [ (C2/C1)^(1/P) – 1 ]*100

    R = exponential daily average rate of Infection Rate over a period in %
    C1 = confirmed cases at the start of the period
    C2 = confirmed cases at the end of the period
    P = interval days in the period

    Putting numbers:

    For Mainland China,

    R = 15% = [(75,600/2744)^(1/24) – 1] * 100

    If I were to assume that the whole chain reaction started from 1 infected middle of December, a period of 67 days to Feb 20,

    R = 18% = [(75,600/1)^(1/67) – 1] * 100

    Which results are comparable. Let us take 15%.

    Now from the infographic numbers above on the Diamond Princess

    R = 23% = [(454/1)^(1/29) – 1] * 100, if I were to take the Feb 18 confirmed cases number of 454 as shown.

    R = 23% = [(454/1)^(1/31) – 1] * 100, if I were to take the latest Feb 20 number of 624.

  19. karlgarcia says:

    I have shared this in socmed before, but I do not fully agree with it.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/02/01/why-travel-bans-dont-work-during-an-outbreak-like-coronavirus/#74f7d12c53ea

    It maybe counterproductive to hide in a cave or a bubble, but all the advantages of panicking haa been discussed a few blogs back.

    As to Africa – China is their investor in mega cities mines, infrastructure activities and their largest trading partner.
    I hope Marijke is correct that their dna will mit be affected by covid, though I thimk sooner or later we will find out

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30411-6/fulltext

    • karlgarcia says:

      There is, therefore, no evidence to support the claim that ‘African Blood Gene’ has immunity to the Covid-19 (Coronavirus). Nigerians must be curious of medical advise, like the salt bath in the case of Ebola virus, which is a rare but deadly virus that causes fever, body aches, and diarrhea, and sometimes bleeding inside and outside the body. Salt bath led to the death of many Nigerians. CDD is, therefore, urging members of the public to disregard the rumours and follow all preventive measures stipulated by the Nigeria Federal Ministry of Health. Let’s join hands to #StopFakeNews.

      https://www.cddwestafrica.org/is-the-african-blood-resistant-to-coronavirus/

    • karlgarcia says:

      https://qz.com/africa/1800255/ebola-will-save-africa-from-worst-of-coronavirus/

      The worst outbreaks has already hit Africa like ebola, they must have learned from it by now.

      The thing is there are 5000 African students at ground zero.
      We will see if there are any facts about these students have been gathered by Chinese health authoritities, likr how many infected symptomatic or asymptomatic and were they allowed to go home.

      • NHerrera says:

        Thanks for those links, karl — particularly the first two links. The first are full of scientific items relating to transport connection matrix between areas in China and areas in Africa occasioned by the shared business and investments between those respective areas and uses studies already made or sponsored by WHO and other world health organizations. The second provides further links, especially the ideas gained from a Pandemic Exercise. I will view the videos later.

        On the other links, my takeaway is the common-sensical ideas of behavior change and personal care we touched on in previous blogs. Important because before adequate medical intervention and vaccines come it is the first line of defense.

        Last comment: I hope Duque has one of his bright boys adept in researching is scouring all of these for the fruits — especially the low lying ones — which can be used in the PH.

        Thanks again, Chief.

        • karlgarcia says:

          My pleasure, and many thanks for breaking it down.
          I love it when you read my links that interests you because you explain it further.

          • sonny says:

            Karl & NH, remind of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Karl (Sundance) who is so fast on the search and NH (Butch Cassidy), so fast on the mathematical sort and collate of the data brought in. Way to go guys. 🙂

        • sonny says:

          NH, calling an all-out alert to DOH chief Duque is well-placed. His history (medical & scientific training, (immunology pa man din), CSC chair, etc. puts him as the go-to guy to lead a PH defense strategy & tactics against the Covid-19 threat. It behooves the president to remove all obstacles for Duque’s plan(s) for facing the coronavirus onslaught and protect the health of the Filipino people. The executive branch has all the resources for this. Let’s pray and act for their success.

          • sonny says:

            FWIW, here’s a resource portal issued by the US Occupational Safety & Health Admin regarding Covid-19:

            https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/medicalinformation.html

            • karlgarcia says:

              Thanks for this.

              • sonny says:

                We are not wanting as far as useful information because of the Internet. For the PH, we still have to identify the healthcare delivery paths for ourselves individually in contrast to the institutions the US health infrastructure has in place. I hope our DOH will make good use of the US template as model.

              • karlgarcia says:

                Templates are useless if you insert square pegs in circles and vice versa.
                We have many case studies, and life examples of past mistakes even the Santayana meme is a scratched record.

                If this debacle does not cause improvements on the way we do things, our improvement will be postponed for another generation.

          • NHerrera says:

            Thanks, sonny. Coming from you, I take as gospel Duque’s credentials to tackle covid-19 in the Philippines. About the arithmetic I do on the coronavirus, it is a way of fighting alzheimers. 🙂

    • karlgarcia says:

      Now the WHO is changing its position on travel bans.Before they discourage it for it will have several implications where cons outweigh the cons, now the cons outweigh the pros, so it seems.

      https://news.abs-cbn.com/spotlight/02/21/20/is-ph-travel-ban-on-china-helping-contain-coronavirus

  20. karlgarcia says:

    Are conspiracy theories really conspiracy to coverup?
    Re: Ebola

    If the world was already told that a spread fake news are indeed fake news yet a segment of the population firmly believes in the myths and takes them as facts and insist that they are.

  21. karlgarcia says:

    Re Zicka

    https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/zika-statement/

    What do you think you are doing @Marijke?

  22. karlgarcia says:

    From Chemrock to me.

    Hi Karl I’ve been following your comments on TSOH . Have problems with my device and couldn’t post. One response to NH comment failed, maybe Joe blocked it, I don’t know.

    Saw Micha’s link for vaccine found. Actually I posted quite a while back re vaccine developed, Singapore, Japan, Australia and China cultured the virus. Singapore company developed test kit that can ID SARS, MERs, Covid 19 within 2 hours.

    Regarding high rates in the cruise ship. A friend of my friend is a risk assessor and safety health auditor is involved in studying the situation in Singapore. His immediate observation was transmission seemed highest in events where food is served – buffets especially. This makes sense because participants socialise arround food tables. When they eat and talk, more saliva droplets are in the air.

    This is probably one or the main reasons for the high rate in cruise ship. All day buffets.

    I have a new blog on infodemics — fake news re bioweapons. Saw your comments re ebola.

    https://chem-post.blogspot.com/2020/02/wuhan-virus-china-iboweapon-US-biowarfare.html?m=1

    Joe is hyper sensitive to anything that is positive on China and Republicans and Trump. I saw some NH comments on politics and had to back off from jumping in to avoid Joe’s wrath 😃. Never understand why people hate a
    president that is making America great again. Never understand why people can’t see Dems trying to bring communism back to US.

    • karlgarcia says:

      Finally found a way for lance and Chemrock to talk.
      Mission accomplished.

    • Karl, Kindly don’t give chemrock a backdoor into the blog that bypasses my moderation. He can post the regular way and if it is a constructive comment about the Philippines and not pushing a political agenda, or ad hominem, I’ll publish it.

      • I’ve also declined to publish about seven different missives and links about virus ownership from Marijke because they are technical and I don’t see the relevance to the Philippines. I’d welcome a statement of whatever the point may be, and relevance. As far as I can tell it is to suggest the coronavirus is not a death risk to non-Chinese dna carriers. I’m skeptical and think that China has worked hard to contain the virus. But time will tell.

      • karlgarcia says:

        Sorry Joe, it won’t happen again.

        • No problem. He had some good information there . . . along with the complaining. 🙂

          • karlgarcia says:

            😊

          • sonny says:

            🙂
            Vive le difference!

            Joe, your catholic strand is showing. ha ha.

            • sonny says:

              I think the labels liberal & conservative is another version of half-filled/half-empty paradox. Time unfolds whether things, events are really facets of the same thing or a true fissure of radical differences. Filipinos have been exposed to both the Chinese and American experience. Hence I think we are still in transit as a culture sometimes ‘favoring’ our hardware component (Chinese) and sometimes our software (American).
              — sonny, the sphinx

              • Also, this whole communism/capitalism binary illusion is just that, sonny. May Day originated here, in the US. Sure Marx & Engels wrote about it, but practical application happened here first.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day#Origin

                “The Haymarket Massacre (also known as the Haymarket Affair, Haymarket Riot, or Haymarket Square Riot) was the aftermath of a bombing that took place at a labor demonstration on May 4, 1886, at Haymarket Square in Chicago. It began as a peaceful rally in support of workers striking for an eight-hour work day, the day after police killed one and injured several workers.”

                The two Roosevelt presidents were, for all intents and purposes, socialists and communists in policy. They took care of big companies.

                Bernie is the continuation of all that. He’s not some aberration. He’s a very American phenomena.

                p.s. ~ I like the Sphinx moniker and fits you perfectly. Reminds me of Spinoza’s …

                sub specie aeternitatis

                /ˈsəb ˈspēSHē ēˌtərniˈtätis /
                adverb

                LITERARY

                viewed in relation to the eternal; in a universal perspective.

                p.p.s ~ The New Pope on HBO is a great sequel to the Young Pope, sonny. I hope you watch that as well. Both pope’s view of the Church and how the Church should be to people both very relevant. Not exclusive. The title sequence for the New Pope is a bit racy though, be forewarned,but any Sphinx can plow thru such Hollywood none sense. The meat of the series is what I’m espousing, sonny.

                p.p.p.s. ~ The Sphinx supposedly is much much older, and prepates Egyptian/Pharaohnic culture.

              • karlgarcia says:

                Vive le France!
                For your French adage.

              • karlgarcia says:

                Speaking of the French, we now have French inspired mini revolutions around whether it is right left, ambidextrous or octopus.

              • karlgarcia says:

                Sphinx versus Ali was the first boxing match I watched, I only saw the Thrilla in Manila reruns afterwards, but I misdirect I mean digress.

              • p.p.p.p.s. ~ I guess the Luddite movement, and Marx in London is of note, but I stand that unions fighting for workers rights the way Marx envisioned was here first, not there. The trade unions in the UK in the 1820s was more protection of certain groups, not really fighting in general for workers rights.

                Then Russia and China ran with it, and since they were just peasants and farmers, didn’t quite get it.

            • On some days it is downright dominant. 🙂

  23. NHerrera says:

    PASSING THE BATON

    Although the rise in confirmed covid-19 cases in Mainland China has not definitely reached its peak, the “outbreak” has passed the baton in a manner of speaking (excluding the Diamond Princess about which a lot has been written already), to South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong. With the following confirmed cases* and counting:

    South Korea, 204
    Japan, 97
    Singapore, 85
    Hong Kong, 68

    [* These numbers vary from one source to another,depending on the date and time of day. Note that about a week ago, these numbers were in their lower double digits. ]

    I can understand the rise since these are major hubs of travel between China and these countries and between these countries — although variations of travel restrictions have already been installed in these countries for some days already.

    In the PH, following the blog’s table format, as of today we have:

    February 21: 41, 35, 0, 139

    The total confirmed cases and deaths remaining at 3 and 1, respectively.

  24. NHerrera says:

    THE DIFFICULT BALANCING ACT

    If I were in the shoes of Xi, I too will have a great balancing act. I want to be confident that the covid-19 outbreak is controlled or has subsided enough to give the citizenry some peace of mind. And more importantly for the workers to go back to work so as not to make a very difficult economic problem which will result in a tragedy probably more disastrous than what havoc the virus has inflicted — not least, to the Chinese Political Bureau itself.

    There is a confusing issue of changes in the definition of confirmed cases in China. First the “clinically diagnosed” cases were added to the definition in order to better treat those cases in the same way lab-tested ones were given. Now after showing some decline in the confirmed cases, the clinically diagnosed cases were taken out of the definition of confirmed cases — because, supposedly the medical facilities are better able to handle the existing ones. Also there is another approach to the counting. For example:

    China’s decision to not count patients who have tested positive in the lab but haven’t shown any symptoms has also raised eyebrows.

    This differs from the reporting practice of countries around the world, said Feigl-Ding, an epidemiologist and visiting scientist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

    For example, 11 Americans who were flown back to the US from Japan last week tested positive for the virus but showed no symptoms. Those asymptomatic patients are counted as confirmed cases in the US, but if they were in China they would not be.

    “It’s extremely frustrating,” said Feigl-Ding, who said attempting to count the number of global cases with such a discrepancy, “becomes an apples and oranges situation.”

    He urged China to report how many lab-positive asymptomatic patients it has, as failing to do so prevent “for international comparisons.”

    The US Centers for Disease and Control has said that asymptomatic patients can still be contagious and spread the virus.

    I hope, there is nothing nefarious or objectionable to this confusing state of affairs in the counting of confirmed cases. But it does make some critics, some of who are experts in disease propagation, think — if the great Balancing Act that the High Leadership of China is under is inspiring people below to do this arithmetical illogic or magic to please or help the boss under such great pressure.

  25. Marijke says:

    Joe, a total from +/-1000 infected foreigners, +/-100 are not Chinese DNA related, +/-900 are (Koreans, Japanese, Filipino, Singapore,…). How much foreigners are in China (Caucasians/Africans), a lot, and only 100 got infected and none died. Sounds normal for you.

    Look at the figures given by NHerrera
    Diamond Princess about which a lot has been written already), to South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong. With the following confirmed cases* and counting:

    South Korea, 204
    Japan, 97
    Singapore, 85
    Hong Kong, 68

    NO foreigners? I think there were some Australians, but no extreme numbers.
    But once again, lot Chinese DNA related i can see, not you?

    • It is still spreading. We can watch and see what science concludes.

    • I found this article interesting. It explores why men are hit harder than women. It doesn’t discuss ethnicity, but does indicate Chinese men are vulnerable because of a high incidence of smoking, high blood pressure, and delay in seeking medical treatment.

      https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/02/21/20/the-coronavirus-seems-to-hit-men-harder-than-women-why

      • NHerrera says:

        Men then is the weaker sex for coronavirus type of diseases because of those factors (smoking, etc) cited, related to the immune system of men.

        But women are more susceptible in another area related to the so-called autoimmune system, according to that link:

        But there’s a high price, she added: Women are far more susceptible to autoimmune diseases, like rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, in which the immune system shifts into overdrive and attacks the body’s own organs and tissues.

        Nearly 80% of those with autoimmune diseases are women, Clayton noted.

        Now, would rather be a man or a woman?

        Interesting.

      • There is an article that states coronavirus has a Asian ethnic code to target Asians. If I run across it I will post it & I will now prepare to address some of the concerns that deals with cures. These are DLKV (Designer Lab Killer Viruses) and they don’t just pop up out of a magician hat instead of a rabbit. Years & years of research go into these specialities. And they evolve continuously. I will now prepare some links because I find this blog very encouraging. To share a favorite NSS10ppm, again long years of study as it is linked to Ebola, the cure, just stated, was known before it somehow made it into the populace of
        West Coast Africa. 😉 preparing…

        • Okay. Don’t ‘market’ your wares here. Keep it instructional. Also, comments are restricted to 2 links, otherwise they go to moderation.

          • I am not marketing any product; that would be a misunderstanding.

            • Good. I’m just clarifying. The purpose of the blood is discussion of issues pertaining to the Philippines in a teach/learn format. Advocacies aren’t allowed.

              • Coronavirus is a concern in the Philippines and global. There is lots of discussion in media addressing the concerns but seldom the solution, solutions/discussions that would save lives. TSH is a great site within the Philippines. Many will perish for the lack of discussion, knowing the problem but not the solution. Trying to be supportive. Life-saving I guess could be viewed as advocacy.

  26. Micha says:

    Bats in China Carry 400+ Coronaviruses With the Potential to Spill Over into Humans

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/20/807742861/new-research-bats-harbor-hundreds-of-coronaviruses-and-spillovers-arent-rare

    That’s for those spreading ridiculous allegations that the current outbreak was the result of a bioweapons attack.

    • Albert is commenting from the same computer as Marijke. Odd, that. I recall the raft of Chinese trolls who visited us in 2016. The games being played these days . . .

      • NHerrera says:

        Your earlier forensic on his predecessor turns out to be right — confirmed by this later occurrence, Sherlock.

        • karlgarcia says:

          I even apologized after this. I think I will take it back.

          ——-
          @karlgarcia, “If you are a Chinese citizen”,

          Wrong assumption, i am an European, lived in many places (also the Philippines for 5 years). Lived very close (20m away) to the Aquino’s house in the Times street (Quezon City) in Manila.

          I am a mature adult like many with the powers of observation.
          Societies and their governments have good points and bad points.

          • Yes, you should. I don’t know what these recent visits signify. They are gameplayers, not interested in teaching or learning, but somewhat arrogantly trying to construct a destructive narrative. I think we are on the edge of the global intrusions into sense. Russia. China. US. Who knows? Nonsense is being cast as a truth to undermine and demean targets, and I think a lot of people buy the manipulations. Chemrock seems in this category to me now, citing conspiracy ideas from offbeat media as truth and acting incredulous that ‘we’ don’t see it the same.

      • I’ve discontinued postings from Albert and Marijke. Life’s too short, no need to clutter it up with irrelevance.

    • Micha says:

      @Albert

      If you are actually one of those spreading the totally unfounded/unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, I would suggest you go back to the cave where you came from, start a campfire and have some barbecued Wuhan bat for dinner.

      May I also suggest you bring one of our clown senator, Tito Sotto, along with you.

    • Okay, spill over is one thing – spill over is the results of what? You take Ebola was said to be a spill over from monkeys/apes, but those genes/germ are studied years, and years, and often the cure is known even before the spill over… this link is to a picture view of ancient Ebola studies and the cure… https://wp.me/p2VBZ8-2of

  27. Micha says:

    “There are ways to minimize the damage a virus can do. Mankind as a whole, in the places where the proverbial chain literally is as strong as the weakest link, has not minimized it. Instead it has told the virus: “Go Forth and Multiply”. Prepare accordingly. If we’re lucky, this will die down and pass. But that’s the problem: it’ll happen only if we’re lucky, not because we’ve done all we know we could.”

    https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2020/02/go-forth-and-multiply/

    • NHerrera says:

      Micha, thanks for this. The author of that article, Raúl Ilargi Meijer, is a man after my own heart — at least for this article. I do not think he is imagining these stories and the science-like reporting, though spiced up. If true, shudder, it adds further strength to your note earlier about the China’s economic growth being in jeopardy for the first two quarters. Especially since if his narration is true it portends something concerning, to say the least, for the other locations outside of China. The recent events in South Korea is an example.

      I note, for example, that his chart comes with a label I am familiar with JHU CSSE which I know to be John Hopkins University – Center for Systems Science and Engineering.

      • karlgarcia says:

        I hope this will be over come June, but in the Oz it will be winter time.
        Lots of disruptions abound from supply chains, plans, sleep name it, it got disrupted by this covid-19.

        • karlgarcia says:

          Just a few months ago some analysts forecasted the rise of Africa and Latin Amerca because of the China-factor, but the winds have shifted direction, the tides have turned because of the First Quarter storm.

          This is just a bump on the road, when the dust settles your horse can now see where he is going.

  28. karlgarcia says:

    https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/02/21/20/japan-govt-to-ask-companies-to-promote-telework-as-coronavirus-spreads

    This is something we should emulate here, watching the television while working, because you will be working from home, this is better than tele-commuting, your television might get stolen in the bus or jeep.😁

  29. karlgarcia says:

    Lance from Luddite comment.

    Today the Luddites are embodiments of people destroying or blocking tech or simply do not want the status quo to be a socmed status which is always updated.

    Unions here are infiltrated by indoctrinators of their own agendas whatever the agenda may be.
    Now infiltration is easy by social media, group chats were a simple cause of a wage hike will morph to other issues, consequences may turn out for the better or worse till they part with the company.

    • karl,

      For sure, i’m no fan of unions getting too much power. I’m for balance.

      I believe in Hawaii it was unions formed by Filipinos that brought down the sugar industry. The Farm workers union here in California is also Filipino generated (then Mexicans jumped on board), but tech and mechanization makes farmers here less and less dependent on workers. so there’s a healthy balance. But unions have given us so much already, so between corporations and unions, i’ll always be pro-union.

      Too much collective bargaining power leads to no more work, don’t overplay your hand should be their mantra.

  30. That would be an ad hominem comment. If you have a point to make about the topic of the article, kindly make it.

  31. karlgarcia says:

    Enlighten us with your worldview.

  32. karlgarcia says:

    Show us your lateral thinking.

  33. karlgarcia says:

    You are absolutely correct, enjoy!

  34. NHerrera says:

    Why don’t you let the other fellow speak for himself. You are not his servant are you?

    The statements

    That would be an ad hominem comment. If you have a point to make about the topic of the article, kindly make it. Enlighten us with your worldview. Show us your lateral thinking.

    are not arguments; they are asking for the fellow’s views or points about the blog’s topic, coming as it seems from a fellow who knows something that he may wish to kindly elaborate and share. The ad hominem part is a fact. Let me put it this way:

    If I say, “you are an idiot,” then I will be making an ad hominem. But if I say , “you made a bunch of idiotic statements,” I will be making an observation. Mind you, I am not saying that both are not valid.

    I also agree with karlgarcia — not to argue with idiots.

  35. karlgarcia says:

    The post deleted made me want to go ballistic because the main contributors here were wrongly attacked by a profiler wannabe.I wanted to go ballistic,but life is too short. We will have more of those.

    • It is the style of the day where bandits in masks ride into town, guns blazing, wanting to destroy ideas and hurt people. They are paid to do that. We shall shrug the aside like bothersome gnats. Bugs.

      • karlgarcia says:

        Yes we shall.

      • sonny says:

        Joe, out of curiosity I took at face value, Navia’s thesis that humans like dog breeds are also differentiated along racial lines (blacks, northern europeans, Jews, etc.). I looked up a little on sickle-cell anemia as only specific to the black population. Just as I suspected this direction of correlation properly belongs to epigenetics and is currently the object of DNA research whose goal is the discovery of a therapy that will address the sickle-cell anemia syndrome. For starters, research has found the gene responsible for the malady plus another genetic disorder, thalassemia (as mentioned in Navia’s ‘harangue’). Here’s the technical abstract I came across.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2617773/

        • Thanks, sonny. I think the study of who and how the disease spreads and works is in its infancy. It would not surprise me if there are genetic differences by racial line. That is the medical side. Legitimate topic of discussion. The political side is when 5 or 6 different sources post to this wayward Philippine blog the idea that the virus was originated in America to attack Asians. One source used two different names, same computer. That is clearly a troll swarm.

  36. Quarantine is okay if you have the cure in hand and available, otherwise you are warehousing people into a death camp – search ‘garlic pathogen’ to see garlic is a known scientific virus epidemic killer. Another remarkable virus killer NSS10ppm (can not be made at home) and this was suppressed during the big Ebola mysterious debut then and now. It takes more than a comment box to address this. My website was formed to deal with virus killers starting with dengue fever which these later enhanced viruses are dengue fever on steroids, turning body organs to jelly, no wonder they leak.

  37. This has yet to become wide spread news – it’s over. Coronavirus 5G false flag epidemic exposed, and oxygen cure now being administered in several countries, as of this early reporting. Bill Gates implicated and many others. See details: https://wp.me/p2VBZ8-2TR

    • Seems like a hoax to me. Why do you figure such a magnificent discovery has not hit mainstream press?

      • For the same reason MSM will never publish the known cure for Ebola, NSS10ppm (a nutrient supplement), researched by civilian and military labs long before Ebola mysteriously began attacking West Coast Africans. See blog details wp.me/p2VBZ8-2ii.

        • Okay. Conspiracy theory. I’ve put you into moderation as this is a discussion blog, and you’ve made no discussion, just popped in links to lost sites. If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise, thanks for visiting.

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