Learning from SB19do

by Irineo Salazar

Prof. Xiao Chua recently posted that he could see Pablo, the leader of SB19, as a potential future President of the Philippines. I do see as well how Pablo sees things strategically and how he thinks out of the box. Prof. Xiao sees Pablo’s drive to make Filipino music worldclass but based on unforced use of Filipino language and culture. Unforced or “di-pilit” is a key word as Pablo is pragmatic and eclectic in his language, from Tagalog songs like Liham, mixed creations like Crimzone to fully English WYAT.

WTF?

Oh no, not another from showbiz is how some could react. Still maybe it isn’t just Pablo. Maybe it is the entire mindset of SB19 that is worth looking at. SB19do, the way of SB19, just like bushido is the way of the warrior. Or SB-Nintendo, as Pablo is a gamer? 

Have I gone completely CRAZY this time, aren’t they mostly just half my age or less? But could it be that these youngsters (only Josh has reached the age that used to be the qualification for the Roman Senate, composed of “senex” aka old men) do stuff right? Their success is unprecedented in terms of putting Filipino music on the map as a brand, not just individual artists performing in Las Vegas or Madison Square Garden. Their working together and succeeding against all odds is worth analyzing, “to wit”:

Five Principles

Principles are what you live by even when the school principal is not watching you. What principles do I see in SB19’s way based on what they have acted till now? One would have to check out what they are about in detail, but I see enough evidence that:

  1. They are excellent in terms of doing things well and in terms of constantly improving their craft. Still they don’t go by the wrong kind of competitiveness of Filipinos that emphasizes valedictorians, bar topnotchers and contest winners.
  1. They have the right kind of winner’s instinct that hits like Pacquiao at his best. Their song Crimzone as in “crimson drip onion sun” aka blood, sweat and tears. Even if Pablo is a (born-again) Christian, he is pray and work, not pray and wait.
  1. They believe in success but also in sharing it with each other and those around them – they do not embody the term “ambisyoso” in its most negative sense. Like Mana(nanggal) – one of their songs – they may soar high, but stay grounded.
  1. They are true to their roots but are neither parochial nor reactionary. They are open to the world and to the present. They are eclectic in their inspirations.
  1. They embody well-channeled creative tension, not enforced uniformity.

The latter is extremely clear if one sees their contrasts – Justin the La Salle graduate, Josh who went through poverty, the often silent Mindanao Visayan Ken, the more talkative top singer and dancer Stell, and Pablo, the most complex character of them all. Their music that often defies clear genres, blends singing and rap, English and Tagalog. SB19 also sounds for Sound Break. Every new direction in music was a sound break. Rock and roll, bossa nova, reggaeton all merged old and new, familiar and unfamiliar.

Their right kind of mix between creativity and perseverance leads to successful music, successful startup companies and successful locations. It is worth looking at closely. The right mindset among enough people is essential for winning, not just one specific leader. It wasn’t just Josh who got “old” on Sunday. SB19 is 5 years old by Thursday this week. They have a long way to go even as they are already self-managed with Pablo as CEO.

Words of caution and hope

SB19 having learned the ropes of business by themselves is impressive on its own. They stay helpful to fellow Filipinos. Josh for instance posts advice against scammers.

Prof. Chua did mention as a caveat that Pablo would have to learn the mechanics of governance and would have to stay as grounded and humble as he is until today. Also, Filipinos often already work together well as small groups – it usually fails to scale up. Philippine history is full of false starts and lost hopes so it is hard to be optimistic. 

But what if the kind of attitude embodied by SB19 is part of a changing mindset? What if their success inspires more Filipinos to envision and realize a future for themselves? Just the hit Gento is far deeper in its message – see the Appendix for more details.

Source: Wikimedia commons

Giancarlo mentioned to me that there have been Filipinos on social media who ridiculed the 1000 times SB19 practiced the Go Up choreography. Such people should note what Bruce Lee said, that the man who practiced one kick 10 thousand times is to be feared. 

A dancer told me something about the Go Up dance practice that made SB19 popular. The “boys” show determination in their very movements, in their entire body language.

I suggest watching that in the embedded Tweet that follows. Feel the energy.

Irineo B. R. Salazar 

Munich, 23 October 2023

Appendix A: songs that show the mindset of SB19 

Crimzone: https://youtu.be/e-Nh623g0-Y?si=65rkDdiCdarMu1_A 

Mana: https://youtu.be/uX1li_A9TVw?si=m2mp-G_TChnWrdJy 

Freedom: https://youtu.be/nn-fGHFAJhc?si=pP1w6g0K0jVaKwHP 

Appendix B: additional information

Rapper Knox Hill analyzes SB19’s major hit Gento:

Start of a docuseries on PPop and SB19:

Appendix C: SB19 “Atin Atin Lang” podcasts 

Episode 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2RezZXTgZbof9t2oxwuXbQ

Episode 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6zKl67bzCZHozFTDLz5FXn 

Episode 3: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jKUJJDWu68HadvTFTDK2P 

Episode 4: https://open.spotify.com/episode/73bmdCbdr3DbCI6zIFjPEJ?si=dl–0vW8QVOl_HZ2k_ItvQ

Episode 5: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4w4CyNpHesKS07STPtyxAr?si=1N0VE7h3Rv2MEapPgtnHqw

Comments
133 Responses to “Learning from SB19do”
  1. Gian, as usual thanks for sharing. The following YT video by Simon Servida on how he created – in interaction with Pablo – the backing track for Gento is worth sharing as well. https://youtu.be/Srz3lZ2R6HM?si=dVB8dqtLkxP3_83F

    Further info for the readers: the group celebrated their 5th anniversary at Araneta “Big Dome” last week, guested in Jakarta and Bandung recently and are starting their Asia tour: Bangkok, Dubai, Singapore, Tokyo and more. Those who have been here the last time I wrote about them know that they were in USA in July and Canada in August. Lot of stuff going on for them nowadays.

  2. pablonasid's avatar pablonasid says:

    Gina showed us that mobilizing the young people will be the only way to break the paralyzing customs of favoritism and corruption.
    I see it everywhere: The youth knows damn well what needs to be done, but they do not have any examples motivating them, showing them what power they have. Of course, a very young government would make many mistakes, but it cannot be more crippling than the past governments and engaging the youth will start the discussions, they NEED an example to get out of their numbed inactivity.
    So, if there is a young alternative: it’s the only chance we have with Gina gone.
    This old guy would certainly go for it and if the party is anywhere switched-on, they will know how to get to the hearts of the population like AOC did in the US.

    Gents, thanks for sharing, you made my day suddenly look bright and cheery.

    • Prof. Chua not only posted on FB BTW he also tweeted about Pablo Nase..

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        ahem, the good prof is almost describing pacman, who was also goal driven, makatao, humble, patient, at isang world class pinoy, true to our culture and wika. then pacman entered politics and became known mostly for being absent at work! pacman was also pivotal in removing delima from senate, and 1st moved to have delima’s position be made vacant!

        pero tama siguro si prof, young ones are entering politics, a chip off the old block. the lees in singapore, remnants of lee kwan yew’s dynasty, the marcoses in our country are chummy with singapore’s dynastic family: the lees. and now, the widodos in indonesia are on the way of establishing their own dynasty with joko’s son running for vice president this coming election. I am supposing joko daddy will ensure the son’s win by making available to son all state resources.

        and if sb19’s pablo nase going to enter philippines politics, he certainly has the accoutrements. pero bago, pablo ay dapat sumasailalim sa why and wherefore of our political system, have his own political party and fend off his own candidates for both senate and congress. and he would need funds by the truckloads.

        else he kung kapos siya, he can join other political parties the likes of the marcoses, dutertes, etc. then mayhap, he would have to lower his own standards, for political expediencies. and he would have to be ready for intensest scrutiny of both his public and private life.

        • Thanks.. even as Josh of SB19 is more like Pacquiao in terms of coming from poverty. The video below is about the biography of Josh Cullen Santos.

          Pablo is more middle class and managed to finish college (English major), and his parents were OFWs for a while. Josh is more on very hard knocks school, but without him, who knew the other members (Stell, Justin, Ken) from before the group wouldn’t be what it is now.

          Ken, who came from Pagadian and studied in CDO, is the only non-Tagalog in SB19 BTW.

          Your reality checks and common sense are always welcome. Politics anywhere has its mechanisms. The Philippines, which lacks real political parties that are in the West especially in Europe the machineries that fund middle-class candidates like Merkel, is a place where you easily end up entangled with all kinds of people due to finances and alliances. Pablo would not be the first singer to get into politics, but possibly the first songwriter and producer.

          Atty. Leni had a lot of songwriters and bands supporting her. Ben and Ben included but well..

    • There is some hope from the political youth though..

      253 Kaya Natin (Atty Leni’s group) Youth members won in recent SK elections.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        there are 42,029 baranggays in our country, the richest is the baranggay bel air in makati; the poorest in barmm having the highest recorded incidence of poverty.

        though I’m very glad of the success of the kaya natin youth, I’m waiting for the overall blow by blow of bske winners. and very optimistic the winners will lean toward a more robust democracy, mapayapa.

  3. You startled me a bit as I thought Pablo Nase himself (actually Juan Paulo Nase) had found this humble blog of ours. I do have to disappoint you a bit. SB19 is not a political group. Even as their way of doing things is a breath of fresh air, and they still are mostly under 30.

    They are patriotic but not aligned with any group, probably the best way to reach a heavily partisan population. But first and foremost, they are rising international popstars. Their most political number ever was to join Ben and Ben in singing Kapangyarihan – a song Ben and Ben composed and performed after the infamous killing I wrote about in my article 4 Fatal Shots. They did put a disclaimer that they were “just performers with no political alignment,” maybe to differentiate themselves from the clear Pink affiliation of Ben and Ben back then.. but still.

    • This was supposed to be my answer to pablonasid who is not Pablo Nase. One more thing – if Filipinos were as discriminating with governance as they are when it comes to singing and to beauty contests.. ah never mind. If and when certain realizations come is not under our control, so I am watching the Filipino “Zeitgeist” (spirit of the times) for now. A bit more about Pablo for a change:

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        you are going to laugh at me but I’ll say it anyway. I saw what I thought is the equivalent of a palmar simian line in pablo’s ear found in most dictators.

        • Hey, I have been asked by people who know me as an “intellectual type”: why the hell I am writing about a boy group? So let us go ahead and check horoscopes, ascendants, and Tarots as well. I mean, I have also written about Trese in the past. Seriously, Pablo has been called the Alpha Wolf at times, and in La Luna, his solo piece, he becomes a werewolf who sings that he will devour unbelievers. In the Wish Bus version of the song, his stare is a bit unsettling.

          In Kumunoy below, he is probably just open about a depression he once had. Does that all make him a potential lunatic once in power? Maybe looking for a savior as president IS the premise that is wrong in the first place. Maybe hundreds of good SK leaders and barangay officials and dozens of good mayors and governors and finally many good Congressmen and Senators mean more in sum for a country. Maybe building character in general is more important for a country – these boys characters shaped by hardship being just a “sampol”, nothing more.

  4. Off topic: Yolanda/Haiyan hit the Philippines exactly 10 years ago.

    1. “Storm chasers” who documented it in its extreme power (viewer discretion advised)

    Joe’s recommendations in the aftermath of the disaster as a witness to it.

    A New Model for Disaster Recovery: “The Lifeline Services Act”

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      our lifeline services are hugely boosted by foreign donations after sakuna, kaya, pamahalaan are urged to declare state of emergency, the sooner donations flow, the better the outcome. our local reliefs are barely enough to go around: money, medical aids, building materials, etc.

  5. Reactions to important points from two of the SB19 podcasts by Fil-Am cams:

    1. Life on tour, including how they talked to Fil-Ams:

    2. Perks and perils of social media

    About twenty minutes each in contrast to the one hour or more podcasts.

    Still they are kind of giving a digest of the most notable topics tackled.

  6. Rapper Knox Hill gives his dissection and interpretation of WHAT, an older song of SB19:

    WHAT is one of the most overtly nationalistic songs of SB19. I do find it a bit disjointed.

    ALAMAT ranks just after SB19 in my book and always was more overtly nationalistic, with historical and cultural themes. Their latest music video Dagundong has references from Lapu-Lapu thru Rizal and the Revolution.

  7. LCPL_X's avatar LCPL_X says:

    there’s a movie coming out this christmas season titled the Boys in the Boat, it was a popular book adapted into movie directed by George Clooney.

    I’ve seen trailers of it and IMHO the trailers all wrong they’re trying to do it like Race (Jesse Owens movie) vis a vis the Nazis.

    the book reads more like Netflix’s recent NYAD movie about overcoming and perseverance. not really about Nazis more like 1930s post Depression USA. marketing all wrong. but I digress…

    … if you guys remember I’ve always been asking about where is F-Pop.

    So thanks Ireneo this is a really good article about what’s possible for the Philippines. I’ve always enjoyed how every Karaoke machine in the Philippines particularly in the Visayas were always populated with professional level talent even those pedicab and tricycle drivers on their breaks. LOL.

    the Arts is where Filipinos tend to thrive, why not focus on that.

    then from there focus on this:

    link of said review below:

    “The author offers a powerful reconstruction of the systematic content of a participatory conception of deliberative democracy, which she justifies with metacritical arguments that exhibit an equal measure of analytical acumen.

    A focus of this magnificent composition is her detailed and cogent critique of two competing conceptions of the democratic process that arrive at contrary results but are not so different in their starting points.

    The radical pluralistic image of a many-voiced mass public riven by irreconcilable dissonance, similar to the contrasting expertocratic image of an apathetic electorate with a limited attention span and mired in ignorance, justifies a profoundly skeptical view of the requirement that as many citizens as possible should participate in political deliberation as an unreasonable demand.

    According to both conceptions, albeit on different grounds, to expect that a public sphere generated by the currents of communication in the mass media will facilitate the generation of informed, directive and problem-related public opinions is to make excessive demands on civil society.

    The radical pluralistic view justifies this skepticism by appeal to the deep-seated conflicts of interests and values and the corresponding irreconcilable diversity of opinions in functionally differentiated societies marked by inequality. In other words, it grounds its skeptical conclusions on conditions that, it claims, prevent the formation of opinions oriented to consensus and therefore of rationally motivated majority decisions, and allows at best procedurally correct majority decision.

    The expertocratic view, on the other hand, bases its criticism on the dearth of information, the attention deficit and the incompetence of voters. It argues that these deficiencies permit at best plebiscitary decisions about candidates and platforms, so that addressing and solving political problems calls for the knowledge of experts.

    In her meticulously argued study, Cristina Lafont brings out what is lost in both cases, namely the central idea of democratic self-legislation. The deliberative reading of the democratic process, by contrast, combines the Rousseauian idea that democratic citizens obey only the laws they have given to themselves with the persuasive power of political opinions that have been filtered through discourse.

    The diversity of the interests and opinions among a heterogeneous public and the limited budget of time and attention that private citizens can set aside for their public commitments mean that only good reasons can contribute to reasonable decisions and problem solving and to generating shared convictions, and that means to political integration.

    The objections against the contradictory notions of the radical pluralists and the expertocrats support the conclusion that both approaches curtail the political autonomy of the citizens and thus betray the core of the democratic idea: ‘An expectation of blind deference is quintessentially incompatible with the democratic ideal of self-government’. “

    • LCPL_X's avatar LCPL_X says:

      https://delibdemjournal.org/article/id/643/

      and pdf of the book here:

      Click to access doctrina89336.pdf

      all the articles that karl wrote (karl can you share) on barangays relevant, and I hope cuz of SB19 et al , its the

      young Filipinos that take over barangay gov’t. start from there.

    • Thanks for this comment, LCPL_X. For comparison with NYAD and the boys on the boat, I am putting in two documentaries about the beginnings of SB19.

      First episode, Sound Break, is about how the group was formed through “butterfly effects”. Some criticize the one who put it together for being too positive about the Koreans who originally formed SB19 as producers, but no story is fully unbiased, let’s just leave it at that.

      Second episode, The Zone, is about the early flops and struggles of the group that forged the bonds of today. Took a year from their Oct 26 2018 debut for them to break through and a VERY hostile early press conference with them shows how “nobodies” are treated in the Philippines.

      We have discussed building character, and I believe the character they have deepened was formed by struggle. Some would want Filipinos to do this via ROTC, but that is often just a mix of wooden rifle marching and bullying. Philippine fraternities are often bullying places as well.

      When there is real work to be done, real challenges to overcome, true character is formed.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        nobodies always have to prove their mettle, how deserving they are of crowd adulation. si sara geronimo nga, before she become our country’s princess of pop, she went through the rigors of disappointments and more disappointments. apparently, one can hardly be total success at first try. gotta try and try again, then some more. and learn the trade from the ground up.

        common denominator is to never give up and follow that dream, that’s what makes success sweet and worthwhile.

  8. Micha's avatar Micha says:

    OT

    Monsod and others might have all the good intentions in petitioning the Supreme Court to declare Sara Duterte’s use of Php125 million confidential funds unconstitutional but there is little strategic value in their action because the SC has been filled with Duterte appointees.

    It will only give oxygen and somehow rehabilitate Fiona’s already diminishing popularity once the corrupted judges rule in her favor.

    • common theme ni Irineo. Some people lack the street smarts to see how it plays to the public

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        I think, the noggies and the naggies are all street smarts before they got tempered by higher education with several letters after their names. and they cannot readily voice their truest opinions dahil they are always looking over their shoulders, thinking how twitter now X will judge them, and what their consequences will be from their governing bodies.

        in our country, we laypeople are so very siksikan, densely populated, that a whisper is readily heard and becomes a boom, a secret becomes common knowledge, even china knows all our state secrets, haha.

        • yeah I can totally see that although I would say that common human nature is as you get older and hopefully get more comfortable you start to build a bubble around you. that bubble of safety or comfort is totally of your own making, from where you choose to live, where you choose to work, where you choose to go to church, where you mall, what your hobbies are. By creating your own bubble of comfort you lose the edge of street smarts because you no longer encounter the realities of the streets as much as a less comfortable person does.

          • When my father still lived in UP Campus, some said he liked to write inside Jolibee Philcoa. Probably to be somehow more “in touch with the street” than inside campus, but still reasonably safe and in a known area.

            It is I guess natural to look for a comfort zone, in fact some anthropologists have theorized that our ideal view from inside a house overlooking a garden sloping gently down is basically a cave with a safe view of surroundings.

            There is always the danger though of forgetting what is happening outside. Sometimes, one does it for the sake of one’s mental health. Or one gets obsessed and becomes too fearful of immigrants, drug addicts, take your pick.

            I try not to get too comfortable, one lesson I learned by observing my father was to often talk with taxi drivers on business trips. Not with all, some talk nonsense, while others are excellent barometers of the feel of the street.

            One of my own recipes while still a consultant was to watch the silliest stuff on TV whether I had landed in Milan or in Lisbon or Bucharest. Now I am trying to “get” the Philippines via its showbiz, as books have failed to give answers. 😮

            (In case this comment slips to the bottom, this is my answer to Gian)

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      https://politics.com.ph/2023/11/07/who-let-the-names-out-jinggoy-bato-seek-probe-of-politiko-report/daily-feed/

      as well, the funny thing about supreme court is that the justices can be subject to the people’s will. and if there is perception of collusion, justices appointed by ex pres duterte can be asked to recuse; them being biased hence partial to sara.

    • Karl Garcia's avatar Karl Garcia says:

      @Micha
      Joe had discussions with he regarded as the left about Israel vs Hamas he said he had enough.
      Napagusapan nyo ba sa Twitter ang topic?

      • Micha's avatar Micha says:

        Not really. I am not a paying subscriber to a Twitter account so my postings are limited to 140 (?) characters which makes it difficult to engage in a fluid discussion.

        The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is essentially a dispute over land claims and that the hatred boiling up on the Palestinian side which drove many of them to resort to violence comes from the perceived injustice of Zionist occupation and that they are, for all intents and purposes, living under an apartheid regime.

        The Zionists have evolved from being victims of Nazi holocaust to oppressive usurpers of Palestinian lands.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        in 2018 yata, the terror group hamas tried to establish a presence in our country but was sent packing.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        I think, israel and palestine via plo (palestinian liberation org under yaser arafat) signed the oslo accord granting peace to both israel and palestine with israel totally withdrawing from gaza in circa 2005, and gaza to be managed by palestinians on the premise that palestine will recognize isreal’s right to exist. two lands existing side by side, israel and palestine, both sovereign independent.

        kaso, hamas won the election soon after and have the majority, the president of palestine got the minority. apparently, hamas favors one land, not two lands, and did not respect the oslo accord and been sporadically hitting isreal with missiles. seemingly, hamas is backed by iran, israel’s sworn enemy.

        from river to the sea, palestine will be free, battle cry ng mga palestinians. I dont know if that means isreal will cease to exist, or if palestinias will get rid of hamas and free themselves of terrorist burden.

        • Micha's avatar Micha says:

          Now it’s all becoming very clear : Benjamin Netanyahu is a racist, Zionist, Hitler-apologist, genocidal maniac.

          • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

            thanks, netanyahu’s hair is too silken perfect, almost AI generated and could easily pass for shampoo advert, sleek and dandruff free, haha. parang airbrushed ang mukha with less wrinkles and the crowsfeet at the distal canthi made less prominent. whoever did the touch up is IT savvy. I think, IT savvy guy forgot to put on israeli flag on netanyahu’s suit lapel, and mention the venue where netanyahu made his speech, time and date stamped.

            anyhow, I’ve been told not to take as truth everything in the internet.

            • Micha's avatar Micha says:

              That speech was made in 2015 so naturally he looked much younger then.

              Nonetheless, the Zionists’ project and their attitude towards their former Nazi oppressors on the one hand and their treatment of Palestinians on the other hadn’t changed to this day.

            • Micha's avatar Micha says:

              That Zionists like Netanyahu have somehow developed soft affinity towards their WWII German tormentor or the ideology that Hitler represents (racial supremacy) also explains in a big way why Zelensky in Ukraine who also claims to have Jewish heritage is perfectly alright with the existence of Azov battalion – a paramilitary group whose members have been described adhering to Nazi ideology.

              • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

                filipinos have also developed much affinity towards our one time mortal enemy, japan. now we are allies vs china, and sharing not only intel but trade as well.

  9. SB19 and Sara Geronimo have a collab, Ace Your World which is actually promo for Acer, I wonder if you have seen that.

    Yes, you’re right, there are certain qualities needed to attain success and certain qualities needed to retain success. There is the 10 thousand hour theory which mentions the Beatles as an example, estimating that they had to perform a computed 10 thousand hours in Hamburg’s red light district, gain the routine and confidence in performing one needs on the world stage, before they finally got their breakthrough – that one needs 10K hours to become really good at anything even with talent.

    • That was supposed to be my answer to KB above. Re KB’s comment that I might karaoke with SB19 one day, one can always imagine more or maybe just watch Disney+ or go to Disneyland..

      Oh one can even have an imaginary duet with Morissette aka her virtual version, just like she is having with “herself” in the video below:

      Seriously, the stuff I am able to sing is too old school mostly for SB19. And not of a quality to sing with the Filipino vocal giants who are many: Martin Nievera, Gary V, Regine Velasquez, Budakhel aka Bugoy Drilon, Daryl Ong and Michael Pangilinan, Katrina Velarde, 4th Impact etc

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        thanks, I like old songs, nostalgic e. songs for when time was different. some old songs are now classics and if their vinyls are in their original jackets, they’re collectors item and worth a small fortune.

  10. Karl Garcia's avatar Karl Garcia says:

    The beginning of a great collaboration.Tge rest is history.

    https://myx.global/alamat-sb19/

  11. https://nylonmanila.com/stanning-filipino-fandoms-giving-back/ interesting article on how Filipino fandoms are way more than just that:

    “..Over the years, the comprehension of these celebrity-centered connections have grown from mere clapping, cheering, and clamoring to expending energy and emotion to movements and efforts that matter. While still hinged on the artist they have pledged an unbending allegiance to, the concept of fandoms became increasingly known on its own as a unique social unit with its own values. Usually inspired by the qualities of their idols, these fandoms have increasingly become more progressive, whether through personal and political dissent, advocacies, and charities. Propelled by its lightning-quick mobilization, which is mostly realized online, campaigns, programs, and conversations are steered in a rigorous manner to effectively engage, amplify the message, and most importantly, to get things done.

    Where the fans congregate as fandoms can optimize the relevance and assert the power of the love teams they ship or the bands that they stan in terms of merchandise, endorsements, and content, they also have carved out a complementing reputation with the work that they do beyond scope of entertainment. Opting out of the simply superficial, there have been increased efforts to be more and do more, as seen through the assembly and activation online and IRL in the name of worthy causes as inspired by the philanthropies and predilections of who they’re a fan of..

    ..While the likes of Angel Locsin, Bela Padilla, Alden Richards, Maine Mendoza, and Jericho Rosales, among many others, act fast and efficiently for fundraisers, donation drives, and relief operations during many a harrowing crisis in the country, many young actors and musicians have followed their lead, both storming their social media timelines with appeals for help of the necessary sort, as well as of committing their own time and finances to gather as much as is needed to help the displaced and disenfranchised. Consequentially, their fans would either heed their calls or in a remarkable development, create efforts to give back as fandoms in the Philippines.

    Acting on different causes, the fandoms of Filipino artists have gone beyond standard stanning, committing themselves to the environmental consciousness and social justice. Working towards helping build a future worth living with the efforts to be as inspired, informed, and involved like Nadine Lustre, her fandom has been mindful of the ways she pays it forward. To celebrate her birthday last year, they helped out by donating essentials to the frontliners of the Dr. Jose N. Rodriguez hospital, reaching out to Meraki (an organization that aims to help jeepney drivers), and raising funds for Greenpeace Philippines. Apart from that, the singer and actress is also raising awareness for sustainability and taking action, specifically working to raise funds to aid the 20-year reforestation project for the Aetas of Yangil, Zambales with For The Future, Bioten, and Make A Difference, which her followers have eagerly supported to achieving its goal of pledging 88,000 trees.

    Similarly, the KaDreamers fandom of Kathryn Bernardo from beyond the Philippines in Indonesia have planted and dedicated 266 trees in her name. But aside from that, in the year prior, the KathNiels have taken it upon themselves to encourage empathy with the launch of the Share The Love Fund Drive for the benefit of those affected by the lockdown then. Not stopping there, the supporters of Kathryn and Daniel (Padilla), through the Manila Department Of Social Welfare, continued with the distribution of food packs to street dwellers that took solace at the Fugoso Sports Complex..

    ..Not to be left behind with their elevated efforts, the A’Tins (aka the equally loud and proud support system of prime P-pop group, SB19) have been funneling their electric energies to support their best boys beyond just trending topics, rockstar numbers on social media, and global acclaim. Always one to make things special and memorable, including anniversaries and birthdays (as manifested by the mangroves planted in the name of Josh and Stell and a community pantry as well), the Filipino fandom-turned-family of the charismatic quintet have been raising funds for WWF-Philippines, which is a cause close to their hearts. Holding the spirit of bayanihan near and dear, just as SB19 have long been espousing in their music, this undertaking is not only meant to mark the third anniversary of the band, but to encourage the conservation of biodiversity and promoting sustainable development for the benefit of the Tuna Value-Adding in Lagonoy Gulf and Mindoro Strait, as well as of its environmental frontliners and community..”

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      on stell’s birthday yata on 16 june 2021, fans planted 70 mangroves seedlings. that was two yrs ago, now the mangroves must have grown and thriving well, if locals have not cut them down for firewood! paminsan kasi, nagiging away yan, people planting mangroves only for others to cut down to make firewood. and so far, none of the fans has update or post pictures of how the mangroves are doing now.

    • Lots of institutions are dying. Lions Club, masons, rotary. Jaycees . I am not that friendly but it just seems that GenX Millennials didn’t go that route. probably because the old networks as MLQ3 observed are already dead. But all the activities or functions those entities used to serve was an outlet for the baby boomer generation and it is a somewhat universal desire for impact, relevance, community etc. The fandoms for a lot of young people are becoming that outlet, hence fandoms being more than just fandoms standing, they become the GenZ rotary

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        why am I not surprised! masons never let women into their ranks, by the time masons realized women exist, it was too late. they were out of favor.

        genX millennials have gizmos and the internet, things that older generation are not so well versed. though, lots of them oldies now are in their 2nd youths and living the highlife, spending their children’s inheritance and shamelessly painting the town red! bet they learned from their kids.

        I used to hear millennials saying they’re all individuals! hear, hear. and yet, they look the same, goths, punks, ripped jeans, etc. they even speak alike, listen to the same music, and wore their jewels in their ears and noses.

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      notice the new pepsi and how slimline and taller it is? it’s like most fizzy drinks in the market these days, they too come in slimmer. as oppose to the old pepsi and other old fizzy drinks that used to come in shorter and fatter cans. apparently, the new pepsi’s makeover is to convince people subliminally that the new pepsi will not make them fat, no matter how many cans of pepsi are drunk! of course, that may not be true, but appearance is everything! slim is nicer than fat, haha.

  12. Thanks Karl, this is on point and maybe explains some generational differences as well:

    (And I am reminded of how Sonny it seems never found Pugo as funny as Tugo)

    ..”Post-war Filipino Baby Boomers and Generation X-ers have grown up exposed to the likes of Mang Nano played by actor-comedian Pugo in the daily 1960’s sitcoms, ‘Tang-ta-rang-tang’ and ‘Si Tatang Kasi’ who flaunt their abilities to put one over their neighbors as simply being ‘ma-abilidad’ or ‘wa-is’ (clever). And it’s not just Mang Nano we owe this to. Decades of comedians after him have practically come up with acts rehashed from the same formula that it is not wrong to do something bad for as long as one can get away with it.

    “We have glamorized these parts of their comical repertoire and have even adapted these to real life. For instance, when we find ourselves at the end of a long queue, we easily surrender to the temptation of asking a friend or even a ‘fixer’ to facilitate things so that we can jump the queue or bypass it altogether. We even gloat over our resourcefulness without realizing that for our convenience, we have inconvenienced others by making them wait longer since the time, which should have been spent on their transactions, was spent on ours. As Erly de Guzman of Galing Pilipino often says, ‘Ang gulang naging galing’ (our taking advantage becomes an asset). Do we think that being able to put one over our neighbor, as a sign of our being ‘maabilidad’ and ‘wa-is,’ is an achievement to be proud of?

    “A quick search of what’s out there in the internet on Mang Nano yielded the write-up below on the 1960 movie ‘Nukso nang Nukso’: ‘In Nukso nang Nukso, Pugo is Mang Nano Batekabesa, the wily but lovable manggagantso who concocts the most ingenious scams to finance his little vices, like jueteng or cockfighting.’ Talk about role models and screen heroes!

    “Combining all of the aforementioned examples, a clearer picture emerges. We want to rise from our impoverished or disadvantaged state, but either:

    ? We feel that somebody ought to do it for us, so we long for a superhero to rescue us from our sorry state; or

    ? We hope to do it ourselves but are too lazy to work hard for it and hope instead for a quick fix that will magically transform our lives.”..

    My father who experienced the Fall of Manila as an 11 year old has alternated between bragging a bit about some wa-is stuff he did (without harming anyone of course) then and in more sober moments when I was too admiring as a boy saying “it was necessary back then”..

    The grandfather of my English brother-in-law experienced WW2, including German bombs on his North London area, then extremely poor. He had a certain knowing glint in his eye as well.

    Underdog situations will breed underdog mentalities for better and for worse, I guess. One never knows how Josh Cullen Santos might have become without the gaming he learned at the Internet Cafe he worked at or without the K-Pop dance groups he joined as a teenager. Probably, first thing made him learn strategy while second gave him an outlet for his youthful energy – and a chance to network, which he might not have had when such stuff didn’t exist yet. The hopelessness of “Soledad’s Sister” the novel (2008) is not what Josh or Ken grew up with.

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      many of those maabilidad o wais also got their comeuppance. not only do they have to part with their money and pay for the privilege of jumping over the havenots but must also bear the consequences for they could very well be sold a dud! or scammed.

      our society do allow agents o fixers to provide service for fee, our law allows agents to be accredited, licensed, franchised, and legally ply their trade. we have just to be careful of kolurum agents o fly by night unlicensed operators who cheat or harmed their clients.

      licensed agent may have higher overheads for they have to pay their own registration, insurance, etc. but recoup their expenses by charging their clients more. clients happy with their agent recommend their agent to their friends, word by mouth is best advert agents can get aside from having a website present.

    • That was my answer to Karl’s comment about my singing with SB19.. seriously it is amazing what the real A’Tin (and other Filipino fandoms) do for their idols, especially promoting them to Youtube reactors all over the world.. that is one area where the group mentality of Filipinos is an advantage, and especially A’Tin have managed to avoid toxic behavior Filipino fans used to have. London A’Tin sponsored a billboard on Pablo’s birthday and are promoting a dance of Gento at Covent Garden in the coming days. Thailand A’Tin put ads on tuktuks.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        ‘ tis new beatles song now and then, I find it odd hearing john lennon’s voice 50yrs after his death, the feat made possible by AI!

        AI isolated john lennon’s voice from all other decibels. kung ako lang, I’ll let the dead rest in peace and not resurrect them for commercial purposes. but that’s just me, old school like me old dad, and me old mum.

        • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

          anyhow, as regards prof chua’s rendition of now and then, the prof has got the phrasing down to pat.

        • Some people want relevance for their loved ones. Yoko Ono is probably in that camp and keeping John Lennon relevant is done by stuff like AI remixing.

          • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

            you are right, it was reported that yoko ono said the song now and then is remarkable and touching. in 1994 and after her husband john lennon died, yoko apparently gave away a demo cassette tape to the remaining beatles, and from that cassette tape, the song now and then was born. since two of the beatles are now dead, the remaining two probly owns the copyright of the new song, yoko getting honorable mention.

            • probably under the estate of John Lennon which she probably controls

              • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

                ang alam ko dyan ito: yoko has sold out her rights long ago; the late michael jackson once owned 98 per cent of the beatles songs, then paul mac gained traction and with sonny/atv both paul and sonny/atv now have the copyrights. it is thought that yoko still receives royalties as beneficiary of lennon’s estate.

                at one time, john lennon left yoko to take up house with asian american may pang. when barbra striesand’s nostalgic song ‘the way we were’ hit the market, yoko was embolden kuno and duly called john, then they reconciled and they stayed together till john’s death.

      • Karl Garcia's avatar Karl Garcia says:

        Hehe. I was seconding kb that one day you will be thanked by sb19

  13. https://www.pep.ph/news/local/177074/sb19-members-drop-sb19-instagram-a716-20231111

    Seems SB19 have an open trademark case with their old Korean management.

    Trademarks, copyrights, etc. are a legal minefield and Filipino artists doing covers might also have a harder time in the future some have said.

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      that’s what I was thinking that sb19 is most likely ‘owned’ by koreans. it’s on the way sb19 is marketed and their breakneck schedule of world tour, striking while the iron is hotter. very punishing!

      I read somewhere that the way koreans treat their singing band is allegedly beyond belief: band members must stay in a certain weight, must look in a certain way, and I doubt if they are even allowed to get sick. some korean band members die young, overworked yata, too much stress. and to keep their looks fresh and youthful, some resorted to cosmetic surgery. in korea, nearly every street corner has cosmetic surgeon’s clinic.

      money maybe a problem too, not all band members are wealthy and maybe, paid a pittance. no work, no pay.

      as for sb19, they knew what they signed for. and I hope they had a good lawyer who oversaw their contract, or they could well be screwed.

      but sb19 already had the experience and fan base, and if they break up, if their contract allow them to break up, they can re-form their own band, and rid themselves of korean clutches.

      • KB, if one reads between the lines of some SB19 interviews, one knows that certain Korean practices were part of their early years under “Tatang Robin,” their original producer. Josh sometimes ate from Pablo’s baon. They got no allowance or little, I think. They had to play for Chinese and Korean tourists and memorize songs in their languages. They had to be waiters for Chinese gamblers at Solaire, I think, and suddenly sing for them. Pablo was credited for writing SB19 songs only after the fans protested. The initial video of SB19 had a Tagalog song but Korean actors. Their first successful song had a very Korean sound and dance style even as there already was the aggressive Tagalog rap of Pablo and especially Josh.

        But if one is to believe what the American producers in the video below are saying, the exploitative practices that exist in music industry all over the world can be extreme in PPop as well – management contracts that make the artist accumulate debts that they pay off through work are normal, but they mention clauses where the artists even seem to waive song rights, don’t know enough of this but for those with time this video is worth listening to. Possibly, some of the people talking to GKD labels are exaggerating as Filipinos can dramatize, but where there is that much smoke, there will be some fire. These American producers who have “stolen” Valfer formerly of Alamat, Trixie formerly of MNL48 and others like The Voice coaches can “steal” are getting harassed by Filipino competitors it seems, their talents too. Hmm..

        • FWIW, this is the music video of Valfer.. Stimuli. These American producers have a presence in the Midwest – and by now in Marikina. Of course, they saw the potential of Filipino talents, but business can be win-win, I believe.

          • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

            similarly, power singer charice before she changed her name was represented by international talent agent david foster and toured the world under david foster’s banner. I hope charice now jake cyrus? has made money out of it and smartly invested her moneys enough for her to live a comfortable life.

            similarly again, taylor swift turned her back on spotify due to problems kuno about money, payment and ownership of songs. nobody ever turn their backs on spotify, yet taylor swift did. she had lawyers, fame, humongous fan base, etc. that taylor was able to stand her ground and demand what is due her. she lost the case yata, but no big loss to her. her fans know where to find her and follow her till thy kingdom come with sold out tickets.

            I will not say much about sb19, kasi, I have to demure, I dont want to spook them even though they appear spookless!

            • Parang Beatles Yung naging case ni Taylor Swift. Negotiated her own deal with Spotify, now re recording the master para she has both composition, and master rights.

              https://soundcharts.com/blog/music-copyrights

              • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

                thanks, gian. as solo performer, taylor swift did it the hard way, not so with celine dion. celine married a man nearly twice her age, a music mogul who knew the music business back to front and they stayed married until her husband died of cancer. nobody screwed celine out of her hard earned money and she got to keep ownership of her own songs.

                similarly, mariah carey also married a man nearly twice her age, a muso and boss of motown records. she too got a 1st hand guide in the music business and did quite well.

                opera sensation sara brightman married composer and producer of musicals, sir andrew lloyed weber. sara brightman was voted the best of all the esmeraldas that sang at the musical phantom of the opera, yet she was savagely shredded by american critics calling her the bug eyed chipmunk! sir andrew lloyd weber was accused of nepotism for letting sara star in his musicals. sara won the auditions but that was not good enough for her critics. their marriage lasted just over two years.

                other musos just have to brazen it out and fight to own what is already their own. funny business music is, too many hurdles and much sharks circling.

        • We really don’t have strong enforcement for IP violations. That is how you get campaign jingles stealing from pop songs. If we get to that point then artist would have more ways to earn a living. Right now YouTube first and other social media companies are consistent the IP rights enforcers we have.

          • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

            many vocal artists and big name singers have been taken to court for plagiarism. but lost the case dahil, riffraffs of songs, etc, may sound alike but the law allows for similarities but only up to a point. so far, the similarities observed by law were within acceptable range, so pligiarism case did not prosper.

            apparently, plagiarism case will get worse dahil AI is now trawling the internet copying sounds, stealing texts and whatnots.

  14. Micha's avatar Micha says:

    “I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Auschwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Auschwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population.

    There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent – that’s what’s called the ‘Nakba’ in Arabic; the ‘disaster’ or the ‘catastrophe’. There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel.

    I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations…and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then.

    It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

    So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an ‘outdoor prison’, which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians.”

    – Dr. Gabor Mate
    Hungarian-Canadian Jewish physician and author

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      the author forgot to say there are 500 000 gazans working in isreal crossing the border all the time, and paid living wage. also conveniently forgotten is the united nations mandate in 1947 giving land to the jews to call their own, the palestinians was also land for them to settle as they see fit. the jews accepted the deal, the palestinians did not. and backed by arabs in the middle east, palestinians waged war on isreal in 1948, 1967 and in 1973, the jews won all wars.

      from the river to the sea, there are 9 millions jews living in that area, and hamas wants them all gone. good luck with that!

        • Micha's avatar Micha says:

          Getting information from a British tabloid paper could scatter even more a fickle mind.

          • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

            haha, I’ve a fickle mind pala, nice to know. I’m sure you’ll find a better kausap than than me. magandang araw po.

            • Micha's avatar Micha says:

              It’s most likely you just google searched his name and chose to post the most negative and sensationalized story from the cellar hits disregarding the fact that he’s a best selling author and renowned psychologist whose humanity and intellect is far nobler than the genocidal Zionists of his Jewish brethren.

              He is of course not the only Jewish intellectual whose direct family members were victims of Nazi holocaust and are today vehemently opposed to the cruelty of Israeli occupation in Palestine. Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky also stands out.

      • Micha's avatar Micha says:

        You need to go further than that with the Balfour Declaration because it was mainly the Brits who messed up all these Arab land scramble and the phrase “Jewish Problem” was first used in Great Britain as early as 1750.

        As such, you need to ask the fundamental question regarding the creation of the state of Israel as to how much land was taken away from the Palestinians because “From the River to the Sea” references the actual geographical boundaries of the land stolen from them.

        • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

          israel has given aid to the philippines, none from hamas. hence I will gratefully stand side by side with the sons and daughters of israel and say, from the river to the sea, hamas will never gain an inch of israeli soil!

        • istambaysakanto's avatar istambaysakanto says:

          Ancient Palestine encountered numerous wars hence demographic changes in the region way beyond Balfour. There will be peace if both decided to co-exist. More works to be done… but killing each other is not one of them.

          • Micha's avatar Micha says:

            The Palestinian chant of From the River to the Sea refers only to that area west of Jordan River. Compare that to the Zionists claim that their promised land extend from the Euphrates in the east to the Nile River in the southwest and into the Mediterranean coast – an area that encompasses several countries in the region. Goes to show that Israel, having that kind of territorial mindset, will not be capable of forging peace with its neighbors.

            • istambaysakanto's avatar istambaysakanto says:

              I think at present Israel recognizes the sovereignty of neighboring countries, except for the Golan Heights of Syria being a buffer zone. The Abraham Accord is a testament that Israel wanted to have good relations with the Arabs.

              • Micha's avatar Micha says:

                Depends on who wields power in the Knesset. Right winger Netanyahu is a creature of that body but is set to lose in the next election so he needs this war like a shot in the arm.

                And of course there’s the geopolitical behemoth called the United States supervising the machinations and dynamics of power in that region.

                As Uncle Joe Biden once said, “if Israel did not exist, the United States will have to invent it and the multi-billion dollar aid is a worthy investment to protect our interest.”

              • Micha's avatar Micha says:

                Meanwhile, ethnic cleansing goes on.

              • istambaysakanto's avatar istambaysakanto says:

                Fanaticism has no place in today’s world.
                Excerpt from article 15 in the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance movement.
                “I swear by the holder of Mohammed’s soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed.” (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
                https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

              • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

                I’m with you, istambaysakanto. methink peace is not what hamas want but total annihilation of israel. the oslo accord, the camp david summit in 2000, the annapolis confenrence in 2009, all means nothing to hamas.

                hamas might have bitten more than it can chew, when it invaded israel in 7th october this year, and went on a murdering rampage, killing ofws.

  15. Yes, and music industry contracts will probably have a spectrum as wide as consulting agency contracts in our IT business.

    Balancing the interests of those who provide capital and opportunities with those who provide competence and hard work is not easy either. There are scalawags and pirates on both sides as well as those who deal straight.

    • I was answering to Gian, and my answer slipped down. If video killed the radio star (at least it definitely wasn’t good for the career of obese Christopher Cross who sang beautifully) then the Internet was a game changer for the music and film industry as well. Coming from IT, where the voices of those who demonized the music industry were dominant, I know the other side’s arguments, such as fair use, and I do believe in finding a balance. It is hard to find in practice or even in legal theory, as many examples show, and GKD did mention that streaming revenue in the USA etc is around 10x higher.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        ahem, IT law can only work within its own border, but cannot chase international crooks. china steals a lot of IPs but cannot be made to face consequences bec of legal complexities. our laws dont extend to china, and we have no jurisdiction over china. china is really thieves paradise! so many counterfeit goods! so many knockoffs. china has more or less monopoly of the market, selling coveted cheap goods, and become very rich indeed, on the expense of others.

  16. OT: kasambahay, you were right indeed, Joy Esquivias is a diva on the rise.

    She is now in the Voice of Germany semifinals after her interpretation of Chandelier. They will be on December 1st and will be subject to public voting, finals are a week later.

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      thanks, it was very exciting and heart stopping to watch joy sing. kinabahan ako, like I was the one up there and singing my heart out! what a singer! such talent, thanks kaayo.

  17. No context needed for this.

    • For those who haven’t heard about it yet, Leila de Lima is free.

      • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

        yes! de lima looks haggard and free before christmas. she thanked pbbm, democracy is alive and judiciary independence uphold. now she has to look for a job!

      • Karl Garcia's avatar Karl Garcia says:

        Again,
        I know he is my tito, but if Tito Boy Aguirre is at fault on filing trumped up charges against De5 then he must face the music.

        • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

          or he could tell the truth about it. so many have changed sides now, dating kapartido ni digong have jumped ship and joined pbbm’s party. time has changed and aquire can certainly tell the role he was asked to play in order to indict delima.

          magalong has changed his story and told what he knew to be the truth that delima was stitched up. ragos did the same, and also changed his story, said he was under duress when he made allegations against delima.

          people will not think less of aquirre if he decides to do the right thing and let justice prevail.

  18. Impressive showmanship from Mahalima and their Skouts Dance Group even when the backing track suddenly went off during last Saturday’s Fusion Freedom 2023.

    • kasambahay's avatar kasambahay says:

      alam mo na,sabi nila, the show must go on. I guess artists are prepared for all eventualities, be they stage invaders or malfunctioning equipment. must stick to the routines, ika. and give the fans what they came for, superb entertainment!

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