Open Discussion: “Our Philippines”
Let me drop this blog off as the starting point to an open discussion forum for those wishing to partake of their usual dose of Society wit and wisdom from now through the first two weeks of May. I’ll be traveling with my family and don’t expect to stop by. Now, you can pick any topic at all, and there is a lot going on. We have:
- China
- The Binays
- The Supreme Court
- 2016 election and candidates
- Religious faith and the lack thereof
- The United States
- Education
- The Tabloid Press and journalism
- The economy
- Technology
- Government services
- Culture
- Environment and climate change
- Military and police
- Corruption
- Federalism
I suppose the one topic that intrigues me most is the social/cultural dynamic that prevents the Philippines from rising to her rightful place as a confident, unified, free, democratic leader in Asia. We see signs of leadership in the ITLOS finding and global recognition of the financial stability and promise of the Philippine economy.
The sad irony is that, as the Philippines rises to its highest standing in history, its President falls to his lowest popularity ever. What’s with that?
We look within and see argument and corruption surrounding us as Filipinos work diligently to undermine their own well-being. We see:
- Rebels of no persuasive ideology killing and extorting to impose their view.
- Muslims and Christians whose faith has no room for welcoming those of different belief. And so they attack.
- Crabs everywhere, to the left and right, thriving in the outlying poor areas where superstition and what people say supplant education and knowledge in their thinking. They will put the Philippines into the hands of a crook and then complain about poor government.
- Hundreds of institutions (clans, tribes, families,churches, provinces, cities, oligarchs, businesses, advocacy groups) whose leadership is convinced that only they know what is best for Filipinos.
- The corrosive influence of a tabloid press stunningly weak on information and insight.
- Propaganda artists undermining good thinking and deeds. Most are attorneys, grown-ups, confirmed smart people who seem not to care about the well-being of the nation. They advocate on behalf of crooks.
- The inability of even the smartest people to separate issue from personality. The use of the insult to wage debate.
We have discussed the divisions, the tribal history of the Philippines, educational shortfalls, and Marcos undercutting trust and promoting corrupt ways.
We have not discussed parenting and the family. It seems to me that most of the dysfunctionality gets passed from generation to generation within the family:
- Education is left to the schools; there are no books in the home.
- Superstition and what “they” say determines everything from faith to politics to medical cures.
- The schools are autocratic and so are families. Nurturing is not in the Parenting Playbook.
- Subsistence becomes the political ideology, and envy the view toward people who get ahead.
These are things I see, and I frankly don’t know what to do about them.
Innocent ignorance seems to run deep in the family, and I say that trying not to be some kind of intellectual imperialist, but to set it on the table. If I am wrong, you can write to that point. Even knowledge is shunned, as in the shunning and ridicule of teachings that psychologists can do or therapy that psychologists can provide. It’s like there is a commitment to darkness, to limitation, to ignorance. Aspiration and ambition are swear words. Envy is a virtue, and its brother, vengeance.
- Is that accurate?
- If so, should something be done about it?
- If so, what?
- If so, should something be done about it?
That said, the tablet is hereby declared erased.
Feel free to fill it up.
Joe
The Society of Honor by Joe America 
Have a great vacation, Joe!
Tubular rooster.
Environment.
Disappearing trees,disappearing fish.Disappearing flora and fauna.
Solution for trees: replanting,reforestation,having a national land use policy, urban planning,etc.
Disappearing fish Solution: maritime domain awareness,coast guard modernization,pnp maritime modernization,department if agriculture modernization. AFMA. agricultre and fisheries modernization act.
As all laws need financing,enforcement and implementation
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Procurement problems.
Overpricing,fake bidding, colusion,fake qualifications of bidder,slicing into several parts of projects.
Solutions. Review procurement laws.
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Education
Biggest allocation from budget yet still wanting of support.
K12 implementation problems.
TESDA future, CHED curriculum and teacher problems
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Military needs modernization.
Country needs to improve laws on reservists,drafting and training.
Police should be denationalized and serve communities,military stuff removed
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legal
Repeal obsolete laws,discourage TROs,justice for all…
And eliminate impunity. The Philippines ranks lowest on the list of 51 nations evaluated.
Worse than Columbia and Mexico???? i perceive them to be worst in drugs and other crimes and i thought we have a better justice system.
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/109374/philippines-has-worst-impunity-problem—study
Just a few thoughts:
I think that the Philippines created more “opportunities”. E.g. How many judges ruled on annulments in exchange for money? How many are in jail for this? Nowhere else divorce is illegal. Has any of the bloggers given a traffic officer some money? And there are traffic officers at every corner. How many are in jail? Did any of you ever see a jeepney with illegal worn-out tires? How many owners are in jail? The amount of small cases and the lack of consequence creates a culture of acceptance.
Another issue could be the slow speed of the legal system and the heavy bias for procedural issues and the ease to promote the case to a higher level.
Cheating the occupier, the Spanish or Americans was a virtue and most Filipinos do not realize yet that cheating your countrymen is a vice. So as cheating is still the accepted, why to punish an accepted practice?
So true,no divorce laws leads to fake psychiatric reports which leads to the leading excuse for annulment: incapacity(?). bribery from home,the streets,to anywhere. Acceptance? looking the other way? That must change. How? education? values seminars? cultural seminars?
I spent around 70k for the voiding of my marriage. no hunky-punky. the process was over after 1 year. may lawyer was lucky. he only prepared the pleadings. no witness required.
Self discipline, and family values geared towards community welfare, consideration for others starting with family, community. Sadly, these are not given priority nowadays, replaced by social media gadgets and search for self satisfaction.
In my younger days, we have been reminded by our Pastor to be honest and responsible, to keep your trash temporarily in your bag when receptacles are nowhere to be seen, to carry trash bags when in big gatherings, say at Luneta, and to follow traffic rules and other laws anywhere, anytime. Obedience to what is morally right is better than sacrifice.
The government must strictly implement existing laws, impose discipline and punish the abusers, much like what was done in Marikina City, then spread it all over the country like in Singapore.
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Military needs modernization.
Country needs to improve laws on reservists,drafting and training.
Police should be denationalized and serve communities,military stuff removed
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Hey, karl, I’ll take this one. Thanks for the links on the other thread, by the way.
Modernization I agree with, but at the top of the list should be military culture and police culture–too many police officers there think they are military. Graduates from PMA become managers of PNP, when the best model should be NBI managing PNP, to solidify their Law Enforcement role.
Also, there was too much top down approach in both police and military, I noticed. The enlisted rank has a culture of bowing down to its officers, what makes the US military so powerful is the quality of its enlisted rank, the enlisted keeps officers in check. Mission accomplishment is the purview of the officers, troop welfare is the purview of the enlisted, so speaking truth to power should be ingrained. I think the death of so many SAF troops can be attributed to this concept.
In the American military the buzz word right now is Cyber War. The U.S. invented the Internet, but it took China (and Russia) to weaponize it, now we are playing catch up. China has units upon units of Cyber hackers. Based on that ZTE scandal a few years ago, and god knows what other deals actually went through, part of modernization should mean more Computer Scientists, less IT folks, there.
The best reservist model, IMHO, is Israel’s, which works because there is an existential threat–the Chinese threat, so far, is too abstract for Filipinos. As for the draft, there should be a system in place to activate citizens, but national service should be the focus. Organize college students there to teach, or get them involved in the legal system or the field of journalism (more on this in the coming ACLU article).
And lastly 100% agree on local police. In the US there’s the FBI, then US Marshalls, ATF, DEA, they don’t handle day to day policing in communities. For day to day, there are county Sheriffs (for county matters, ie. county prisons & courts, and service of unincorporated areas), then there are local police departments for towns and cities. If civil rights and corruption issues surface, the FBI takes a look, but local departments handle local problems.
In so doing, communities have more of a say with their local police, ideally. A more diffuse model of policing, smaller organizations closer to the people it serves, will make it more difficult for the police to be used for nefarious means, in case the Philippines gets another dictator–which is still very highly likely. I was told that before the PNP, there was the Philippine Constabulary, and then local police. Why was the police nationalized?
I think the police was nationalized because of martial law were the Integrated national police merged with the philippine constabulary.
Cyber security,we have our share of hackers. Some have criminal intent and some are ethical.
Lastly, looking forward to the ACLU article.
Part I–My personal take and Part III–How to create an ACLU there, these are pretty much done (which I hope will be the focus for the incoming dialogue to follow). Part II–The conditions that contribute to the impotence of the legal profession there, I’m still trying to wrap my mind around–an honest definition and description of the problem.
What contribute to the impotence of the legal profession in PI?
ww.academia.edu/8303911/The_Legal_Profession_on_the_Modern_Times_Current_Perception_on_lawyers_on_the_Philippines_setting
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Juana,
Link doesn’t work?
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http://www.academia.edu/8303911/The_Legal_Profession_on_the_Modern_Times_Current_Perception_on_lawyers_on_the_Philippines_setting
Thanks, edgar and i7sharp.
I checked it out Juana, I looks like a high school kid’s report. But this is the stuff I’m looking for, just more in-depth. Although I too am a big fan of Sir Thomas More: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk
From the mouth of babes. I believe them more than adults as they have yet to lose their humanity. 🙂 That is as honest you can get it. Have you heard of omertà in the Philippines?
Journalism is the most dangerous job in the Philippines. Make a lot of noise and you are bound to displease someone who can make you disappear, literally. And we wonder why the press are so wishy-washy. My take is, they are saving their own skin.
Juana, it wasn’t so much that it resembles a high school paper, but more on its length. But you are correct an honest write-up is lacking.
I found an article written by a young Atty. working for Court of Appeals there and basically the gist of her article was that her parents were both lawyers, which meant that she had to become one, so after majoring in Political Science, she continued on to one of the best law schools in the Philippines, only to party and “do gimmicks” (what does that expression mean?!!!). So after she finishes law school, because she was too busy partying, she fails the bar exams. Disappointed, she prays to God, studies more, and passes the bar the year after.
And then there’s a blog entry of another young female lawyer who loves her work because she gets to “dine with paupers and sup with kings” and she gets to eat in fine restaurants because thats where clients prefer to confer. And she loves the prestige.
So the whole issue of the privileged taking up law, contributes to the broader problem. In the US there are law students from wealthy backgrounds, and they usually end up in big private law firms. But because there are so many law schools here and the variety of lawyers from all socio-economic backgrounds, the field of law is democratized. I get the feeling that those two examples of lawyers above are emblematic of most lawyers there–no depth of character.
No depth of character usually equals people who will easily fold under pressure. Or if given power they will abuse it. So to connect it to the concept of omerta, I can understand certain towns wanting nothing to do with gov’t (this was the main problem in Afghanistan and Iraq to a lesser degree), but I think the omerta you’re speaking of is part of the gov’t/private cronyism system there, and there should be a concerted effort to dismantle that.
But if your journalists and lawyers lack the moral courage to actually fight the good fight, and are instead just doing “gimmicks” (I noticed you guys have made American expressions your own, I never heard this expression where I worked there, I’m baffled having read it).
So the question is how to inoculate and give them moral courage. I have 3 ideas so far I still need to distill for the coming article. I’ll save that for the article. If you guys can think of any other ideas to add, please do, I want this to be the readership’s article, because at the end of said article will be a call for action.
National Union of People’s Lawyers (NUPL) – group of Filipino human rights lawyers defending Mary Jane Veloso in Indonesia.
http://www.nupl.net
Thanks, Juana, will look further into this group, but I’m curious how they would interact with your diplomats. I know as Americans only State Dept or Justice Dept can take the lead, I’ve never heard of private American lawyers or even organizations take part in these type of cases.
@LCpl_X
I think the link below will answer your question:
http://www.nupl.net/demeaning-bad-behavior-philippine-government-barring-of-mary-janes-filipino-private-lawyer-from-prison-visit/
That’s exactly the concern I had in mind. Lawyers represent clients, the diplomats (and their lawyers) will have the Philippines interests in mind, but that interest doesn’t usually translate towards the best interest of the Mr. Veloso.
In the US it’s similar, national interests vs. that individual’s interest. But because the individual here is held in such high regard, the State Dept (and their lawyers) will have no choice but to give equal weigh to the individual, especially when the press is involved.
But in Ms. Veloso’s case it looks as though it’s just courtesy so let the Philippines go further with their criminal investigation. I think she’s still going to face the firing squad.
The moral courage component to this is whether or not the NBI and Dept. of Justice will pursue this criminal syndicate to its highest levels. We already know the people at that level, base on experience. For Ms. Veloso’s impending death to mean something, this investigation has to fruit (not scapegoats) but real juicy, sweet fruits.
sorry, * of Ms. Veloso
@LCpl_X
According to the report below, the Indonesian President listened not only to the Philippines’ President but also to the human rights activists who are against the death penalty in Indonesia. One of them drew a parallel to the plight of Indonesian OFWs whose human rights are being violated in other parts of the world.
http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/91581-jokowi-listened-aquino-rights-activists-mary-jane-veloso
Will Ms. Veloso still face the firing squad? It depends on what will come out of the investigation of her alleged recruiter and if the human rights group succeeds on overturning the death penalty in Indonesia.
I noticed Indonesians and Malaysians were treated far worst than Filipinas in the Mid-East. Not really sure why. I think its the Muslim component to their culture, ie. they go there having practiced a lighter form of Islam and they work for Arabs who are a lot more critical–at least Filipino Catholics/Christians are who they are.
As for the efficacy of human rights groups in all this, I seriously doubt it. Int’l politics at this level is give and take. Human rights groups have to convince the population and with a fundamentalist Muslim movement taking place in Indonesia, I doubt it. But I’m hoping I’m wrong though.
If the Indonesia Pres. backs down, he’ll have hell to pay from the Muslim fundamentalists who favor 7th Century Arab justice.
@LCpl_X I look forward to your article. It’s hard to imagine how our generation can develop and sustain a next generation with moral courage. As individuals, strengthening family values may be a good start. And then you have to collaborate with like-minded people. We have yet to see a political party whose membership qualifications prioritize depth of character over all other requirements.
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/1786581/indonesia-will-stop-sending-maids-middle-east-following
The Indonesians are treated poorly in the middle east.
The police was nationalized because the local police became beholden to local officials to the point that, in many places, particularly in the provinces, the police became the mayors’ private armies. Of course local officials still have some influence over the police, as when they have security guards arrested for not recognizing them, but now policemen can be assigned to places where they’re not necessarily residents — sometimes as punishment.
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This is true. I am in favor of a local police set-up. So how do we counter the tendency to subvert the police force?
One suggestion I can think of is to make the local police chief accountable to the town citizens by making the position an elective office. Then the police chief would be beholden to the people and not to the mayor. Term limits would have to be set.
But how do we professionalize the rank-and-file who must be locals also? Training (at a police academy), adequate pay, tenure and a hierarchical grade system for promotions are obvious answers. Are there more?
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The only problematic thing in this fine plan is that the local elections are mostly controlled by the local politicians and thus making the police chief elective is essentially the same as making the mayor assign the local police chief. I hope someone can suggest a solution to this because a lot of local politics is like this so a template on solving this problem can be applied to a whole host of similar problems.
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The argument is valid but is not insuperable. The following steps may be considered:
o Synchronized elections (if the incumbent mayor is up for re-election he may not be able to use his office to back his choice of police chief)
o Separate funding for police (to ensure independence)
o Separate lines of authority (police should report to provincial fiscal?)
o Police candidates should not be affiliated with a political party.
o Prohibition of affinity by blood or marriage for mayoral and police candidates
o Asynchronous terms of office?
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Thanks, Lilit.
I am in favor of localizing police, but with the premise of working local governments. And if cities and towns are still governed through the strong-man system or rich families, then localizing will be all for naught.
So maybe local police departments for towns and cities, BUT for those local govts that don’t quite meet the threshold for governance, they’ll have a county or provincial Sheriff’s dept (maybe bring back the Constabulary as name for this, I know there’s no Sheriff equivalent there).
Here, most Sheriffs are elected. And police Chiefs are appointed by Mayors. I’m not a big fan of politicizing Public Safety and Law Enforcement, so maybe elect the provincial or regional Prosecutors, as means for citizens to have a say in their own public safety.
Ideally the district Prosecutor would set the tone on how law enforcement is to be prosecuted, but he won’t have control of the police. The prosecutor will check the police and the police will check the mayor and prosecutor, ideally achieve a balance of power.
The Police Chief and Sheriff will have to be independent, and not beholden to the Mayor. The NBI, with a now lesser PNP force, will handle cases that need national attention, ie. civil rights, crimes that span the country & govt corruption.
There should be a national standard for training, but each Police or Sheriffs department should develop their own police academies and meet the minimum of standards set at the national level–police/sheriffs department would then exceed standards, this will be one of the means of competition.
Officers don’t need to be locals, but there should be a type of market that encourages individual departments to retain and hire the best.
If there’s a good cop in Zamboanga, he should be able to lateral, having met all national standards and training, to a department of his choosing. Thus incentivizing quality of training and salary/benefits which will be handled at the local level.
To counter the subversion of police force by national or local govts, as already indicated above, do this by culture. Here both military and police swear an oath to defend the Constitution (which protects the People) above all else.
edgar, Professionalizing a military and police force has to begin with that concept, that they are not beholden to individuals and groups, but by a bigger concept. The actual implementation and forming of that tradition will take awhile, but it starts with that.
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LCpl_X,
Excellent ideas on the police.
There are district prosecutors but I have never heard much of their role in law enforcement. Pardon my ignorance. I have been lucky I guess.
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If I remember correctly, the PNP was created as a way of professionalizing the force. Used to be, richer LGUs had a bigger police force because the pay was better, while few people wanted to be a policeman in poorer towns where the pay was less, specially if they also have to contend with armed groups like the NPA. So the PNP standardized salaries, equipment and personnel.
And I don’t know if making the local heads an elective position would keep them from getting subverted. Remember, even the COA is thinking of doing away with LGUs’ resident auditors so they don’t eventually become part of the circle of corruption.
I agree, though, that military stuff is best left to the real military.
That’s a good point, Lilit.
What I’m doing is just transposing the American system there, without any sort of personal experience with the criminal justice system, ie. the actual arrest process, to jails to courts to prisons. So what I’m positing is just an organizational matrix, it may or may not work there.
I did witness a few times, how criminals and violent disagreements at the barangay level was handled.
Drunken fights, in an effort to quell any further incidents, the parties involved go in front of the barangay officials, and basically get the ‘hey, we all have to live on top of one another, so knock it off’ speech, done sternly, with a guy with very callused knuckles standing near by. No one goes to jail, it gets nipped in the bud, but more importantly it’s face to face, people interacting with one another, there’s no arrest there’s no outsiders brought in.
And if the culprit is from another town, like this one burglary incident, where they caught two assailants. They got beaten up sure. But what transpired after was really inspiring, barangay officials talked to the two young men, and later found out that they were brothers. They took them to their town, investigated, talked to the family, and decided to let them go with a warning, because of the economic condition of the burglars’ family. A great example of mercy.
There’s a strength at the barangay level that’s although dependent on personalities, seem to be uniform for the most part everywhere in the Philippines–from what I saw. And I hope you guys keep this whole personalized approach to crime and criminals, and I hope you guys don’t import our prison system, which has commodified prisoners and in so doing have dehumanized the whole criminal justice system.
Why the police was nationalized is like asking why the boys scout property was sold and the answer is obvious.
Hey LCpl, I am a CPO (ret) and served with the Philippines Constabulary (PC) for three years and now live in the Philippines. You have genuine concerns and so am I.
PC during my days is a respectable and feared military organaization. PNP currently is despised. It lacks strong military leaderhsip especially discipline as demonstrated with so many PNP pers involved in illegal activities. That said, I fully agree with you that PNP should be de-nationalized and bring it back to the military umbrella.
It is funny you cited reservist in Israel, funny because in the Philippines, and I think due to lack of fortitude and outlook in military significance to a nation, the Senate discontinued the ROTC simply according to a retired military that I talked is because a parent complained. How sad the military readiness is highly complromised.
You see, as I read along with so many views and concerns I experienced terrible anxiety over the future of this country.
Sorry, DelPi, I overlooked your post.
Although I’m for de-nationalizing the PNP, I’m not for militarizing it or placing it under the AFP–mainly because the military is suppose to defend while the police is suppose to enforce laws. In the US we ensure the separation of these two powers by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
But my question to you having been where the rubber meets the road, is it feasible for the police to be de-nationalized, but instead of placing it under the AFP, keep it de-nationalized but closely aligned with the NBI.
The culture I noticed among PNP officers was one trying to emulate the military and all things military, instead of carving their own identity as police officers–honing their policing and investigative skills, instead of playing SWAT all day long. Here in the US police officers–feds, state, county, local–are considerably above the military. And the two professions are seldom in contact.
have a safe trip joe.
is anyone interested in electoral reforms?
1. Publicly Funded Elections
1.1 There should be no private contributions allowed.
1.2 Funding should be dictated by COMELEC for every electoral position. example: President – 80M, Senator – 40M, Congressman – 0.5% of your area’s annual IRA, and so on…
1.3 Free limited (400 minutes?) airtime on public radio and TV.
2. Political Party Accreditation
2.1 Political parties fielding national candidates should have as members at least 2% of the electorate in every region (is per province better?). for those fielding local candidates only 2% membership for the area covered.
2.2 Parties should have a constitution and by-laws that will setup a primary system for choosing it’s candidates.
2.3 Primaries will/must be monitored by the COMELEC.
2.4 I have no idea how to handle independent candidates.
3. Campaign
3.1 All presidential candidates must attend atleast three COMELEC sanctioned national televised debates.
3.2 A similar system for local townhall debates.
4. Elections
4.1 Maintain the current multiple party system, but implement run-off elections where the winner must garner 50.1% of the vote.
i’m out of ideas for now…
If runoff elections need charter change, then make it easier to amend constitution.
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Excellent ideas all.
The Australia electoral system contains most of the features enumerated above.
1. Political parties are publicly funded. Important: this means election expenses do not have to be “recovered” which means no or less corruption
1.1. Private contributions are allowed but capped.
1.2. Funding is remitted post-election based on the number of seats won. I suppose the first election would be based on equal fund apportionment or the number of candidates fielded.
1.3. I am not sure if political advertising is free. I don’t think it is.
2. Political party registration and accreditation is strong.
2.1. It is based on a minimum party membership of at least 500 registered voters.
2.2. Yes, constitution, by-laws and platforms are required.
2.3. Not too sure if primaries are monitored by the electoral commission, but candidates must meet certain requirements such as no serious police record.
2.4. Independent candidates must meet certain eligibility requirements (such as citizenship, age, registered voter, qualified to be elected under the constitutional and laws, and must consent to serve if elected) and simply need to register their interest with the electoral commission.
3. Campaign
3.1 and 3.2. Excellent idea on debates.
4. Elections.
4.1. At the state level in Australia’s federal system, there are many political parties such as the Shooters and Fishers Party, the Pirate Party and the Sex Party.
4.2. Australia uses a preferential voting system which does NOT require run-off elections which can be expensive. This is defined as “a system of voting whereby the voter indicates his order of preference for each of the candidates listed on the ballot for a specified office so that if no candidate receives a majority of first preferences the first and second preferences and if necessary third and other preferences may be counted together until one candidate obtains a majority.” It “requires the winning candidate to secure either an absolute majority (50%+1) of the primary vote or an absolute majority after the distribution of preferences.”
4.3. Example: Assume there are 3 candidates and the vote distribution for Candidates A, B and C is 35%, 40% and 25% respectively. Since Candidate C has no chance of winning, his second preference votes are counted and distributed to Candidates A and B. Candidate A wins if the majority of voters who voted for Candidate C expressed Candidate A as their second preference, allowing Candidate A to reach more than 51% of the total votes cast.
Voting is mandatory in Australia. It it not only a right but a duty.
Despite the complexity of the preferential voting system, elections are not automated. And results, both state and federal, are normally known before midnight on election day. However, there have been recent closely fought state elections where the results were not known after more than a week.
thanks for giving us an overview of elections in australia.
ELECTORAL REFORMS?
Basic things first. Place “honorable, incorruptible and wizened men & women in Comelec.”
Honorable is one who is incorruptible; one who does not sell his soul for a couple of thousands of pesos.
Incorruptible is one who does not sell his soul, his life, his signature, his family for anything in exchange – be it money, position, house, car, etc.
Wizened are matured men and women borne out of experience in the real world; wizened souls who think of their future and that of the future generations……
Let’s have a COMELEC with this type of commissioners and we will have a government for the people, of the people and by the people.
Cheers!
Good in theory, but how are you supposed to determine if anyone fits those traits? Personally, I think no one is completely “honorable, incorruptible and wizened” but I could be wrong…. In fact, I’d love to be wrong on this one…
Seems like you’re asking for the moon, but I agree with hackguhaseo.
Where can you find incorruptible men and women? Children cheat during their exams. If you’ll look for one in the lower classes, most of them will have self-betterment as the first agenda once they become employed, and who knows how long they can resist the crooked path’s temptation if they ever become a public official.
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As a general rule, hackguhaseo is entirely correct. But it is a matter of degree, isn’t it? In other countries, corruption is not as rampant… and the asking of the moon is not entirely out of reach.
Our tolerance — and even acceptance — of corruption is a contributing factor why it is so endemic in our country.
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How long are you willing to wait for those wizened men and women? Or are your ideas only thought experiments? Do you have a realistic plan that can be really executed so that wizened men and women can be put in COMELEC?
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Thank you.
1. As I read your original post, I was struck by its air of hopelessness. It’s that air of negativity, of defeatism, that I was reacting to.
2. My point was that this defeatism encourages corruption.
3. I am as impatient as anyone for incorruptible men and women to hold office. There are already some. Heidi Mendoza, for one; Conchita Carpio-Morales for another. So there is reason to hope.
4. Do I have a realistic plan? Yes, I do, and that is start with myself. Start by not being corrupt. And start by not allowing defeatism to burrow its way into my heart. And if I do that and do not act corruptly then I influence all whom I come into contact with… and so on until a tipping point is reached.
4.1. As I said, corruption is not that rampant in other countries. So, yes, it is entirely possible to ask for the moon.
5. If one thinks about it, thought experiments are the bases of science. They are called hypotheses.
5.1. Mathematics, that purest example of abstract thoughts, relies on thought experiments. Mathematical formulas, in their highest conceptions, are thought experiments. While the formulas make use of symbols, the symbols do not represent concrete objects in the real world.
5.2. Einstein’s thought experiments resulted in the Theory of Relativity, and the theory has been the trigger for the development of the TV, CD players, the modern computer, GPS devices and all consequent gadgets.
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I see… It’s nice that you do not allow defeatism to burrow in your heart.
Nice thoughts.
Now we need to operationalize this.
Ooooh! I like this! I’ve actually wanted to discuss this with people for a while but no one seemed interested (big surprise)… Let’s get this on the list!
Oh, but you will be sorely missed in the mist of flying brickbats Joe! (Which sounds like a sequel to “House of Flying Daggers” don’t you think?)
“We have not discussed parenting and the family. It seems to me that most of the dysfunctionality gets passed from generation to generation within the family”
Ha ha, as Filipinos say, Natumbok mo.
The family is the true, perhaps the only real, institution in Filipino society, I daresay. You’ll notice that virtually all Philippine workplaces (run by Filipinos anyway–officially or otherwise) represent themselves as such–functional or dysfunctional as the case may be. And your observations are, in this sense, and imvho, correct: Majority of families don’t read, don’t think, don’t analyze, don’t communicate, don’t problem-solve; do (dys)function strictly hierarchically, mindlessly, blindly, do gun along on emotions and the occasional bout of melodrama, do hide or evade or gloss over internal problems, do consider education–like crime–as a mere means to the all-encompassing end of Wealth and Status.
How exactly to reform the Philippine family, and thus the whole culture? Well, don’t ask me, I’m just the resident sourpuss(yfooter). But just to put this out there, as perhaps a not very realistic but still honest two centavos:
With apologies to Master Shakespeare (recently birthdayed), the first order of business would be to kill all the priests. Okay let me amend that because there are admittedly a few decent ones remaining (purely a coincidence, no doubt): Defrock the unworthy, which should leave us with about two dozen scientists and other useful thinkers.
Second order of business: Release the floodgates (oh we wish) to natural and artificial conception, the devices, methods, and drugs therefor, and education on and access to all of it for anyone from any socioeconomic class or background. You can see why we’d need to kill, I mean, defrock all the priests first.
I’d third-place the reform of public school education while we’re on the topic of impossible dreams. Increase compensation. Mercilessly remove idiots, especially bureaucratic ones, on all levels. Heck, require government scholars, at some point after graduation, to help improve education or at least the general intellectual climate of the country, and incentivize other bright bulbs to pitch in.
At all times, crabs and other breeds of trolls shall be shot on sight. Useless political creatures, such as the nanays that all but drape themselves over parish priests, shall be struck indefinitely dumb til they render themselves less obnoxious, kinda like Zechariah when he didn’t believe his wife could give birth to John the Baptist.
All the foregoing undoubtedly suicidally unpopular, not to mention impracticable, and mostly silly-joke ideas (because hey, don’t Filipinos love to hide real but socially unacceptable sentiment behind “jokes”?). But hey, maybe rosier-tinted glasses can make something out of all of this.
I should add: grossly undernuanced and probably offensively overgeneralized ideas, but then one must stop and do their day job once in a while to keep body and soul together.
Paciencia, it took 25 years to vote on the RH bill, it will take another 25 years to get it trough the legal system and 25 years more to get it implemented.
P.S. I just heard today that the 15 year old daughter of the gardener I talked about a week ago in another blog, she is pregnant and lives in with the parents of her 22 year old boyfriend. Her mother will be lola at 32 and most likely a proud lola sa tuhod at 47.
To raise all this children borne by still children mothers to be productive citizens is a tough task to do considering the poverty and environment they are in. Although there is another school of thought emerging – Singapore, China and Japan are experiencing an aged population, too few young generations due to their one-child policy.
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I hereby nominate this post for the Most Radical Proposals Award.
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LOL
“All happy families are alike, each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.” (Leo Tolstoy, Anna Karenina)
Put another way, to eat an elephant, one has to cut it down into little pieces. Parenting issues and problems among those mired in poverty are different from those who are on the way up the socio-economic ladder, and especially more so from those who belong to the country’s economic and political elite. The social issues that result from an OFW father or mother whose children grow up in their absence are different from those resulting from the father and mother whose presence in their children’s lives are a constant example of how to get ahead in life by lying, cheating, or stealing off other people’s hard work.
Those who do realize the role of the family in addressing many of the social issues that confront us have wisely chosen to focus on specific clusters of problems at a time. A purposive search of the initiatives being undertaken along this lines can bring about not only hope but also possible directions for both individual and collaborative action or advocacy.
The Philippine government, for instance, runs mandatory Family Development Sessions for those covered by the CCTP (Conditional Cash Transfer Program). These sessions, attended by mothers or heads of households aim “to widen the knowledge and boost the skills of parents and help them to understand and meet the health and education conditions of the program. The FDS is being done by the 4P’s workers through home visits, the use of modules on modular sessions guide for parents, family drug prevention program, parent effectiveness service and empowerment and reaffirmation of paternal abilities.”
International aid agencies like the UNICEF and Save the Children focus on Early Childhood Care and Development (ECCD) programs and advocacy. While pushing for more legislation to protect and advance children’s and mother’s rights , the UNICEF has also provided assistance to the Department of Social Welfare in developing and strengthening the ECCD component of the Family Development Sessions.
Likewise, Save the Children also runs “positive parenting classes as well as health, nutrition and hygiene sessions. As their children start their education journey, we are providing parents with advice, skills and vital links to government services so they are equipped to further support their children. We also train those parents who are able to volunteer so that they can help with the running of playgroups in their community as well as support other parents.”
There are smaller NGOs that focus on specific communities like Roots of Health in Palawan that work with women and young people. “Roots of Health empowers women and girls to secure their right to health and freedom from violence, and to support and protect the health and well-being of their families.” They run Maternal Health Sessions, a Financial Literacy Program and provide Reproductive Health Services in the communities they are in.
There is ATD (All Together in Dignity) Fourth World Philippines that works with 4 Manila impoverished communities: a public cemetery, under a bridge at Quirino Avenue, and two neighborhoods in Pandacan located beside a water canal. They run cultural action programs, training/workshops and other fora, all in response to the needs of the different members of the community: children, parents and the youth. These include Street Libraries, a Festival of Learning for young children, and Creative Art workshops for ATD families.
On the legislative front, Bulacan Representative Sherwin Gatchalian has proposed a bill “to institutionalize a national parenting program to strengthen parent engagement and responsibility in the education of their children. The measure , called the “Nanay Teacher Parenting Program Act” seeks to train parents “to become parent-teachers by exposing them to best-case practices and other information in facilitating and encouraging continuous learning at home.
The measure shall promote the use of positive disciplinary methods through dialogues highlighting the benefits of wholesome, constructive and encouraging modes of discipline.
The program shall be applied to all public and private schools in which students from Kindergarten to Grade Twelve are enrolled.”
There are also several initiatives from the private sector and targetting other sectors or family types, or those whose parenting styles and approaches are less constrained by the realities of day to day existence. But that will have to be another post. The point is that there is already a recognition of the role of the the family, of parents particularly, in addressing the social issues of the day. We can choose to reinvent the wheel or we can find an initiative that speaks to us, and then support and advocate for such.
A long list of promising initiatives that will make a difference…. but Rome was not build in one day, so we will have to keep supporting them before we will see their full potential.
THE PREDICTABLE STORM
The strong negative words or expletives heaped on the Judiciary whenever the Condonation Doctrine or the alleged corruption of Justices in the TRO issuance is mentioned is a preview or indication of what the SC Justices will be up against when it comes forth with its decision on the Condonation Doctrine — a more than 9-to-1 condemnation.
Even the relatively balanced opinion of former CJ Panganiban on Trillanes (“Show proof or apologize” in the Inquirer) did not spare Panganiban in the commentaries.
Supreme court decisions,doctrines that seem weird must be listed,inventoried and reviewed by the SC and congress. Aguinaldo Doctrine is just one among many.
I miss proportionality so much. Condonation for a small offence, yes, condonation for a medium offence that was part of the election campaign ,maybe, condonation for a serious offence, never.
Many only discuss in (your) black and (my) white,
Sadly, these judges have security of tenure, and unless impeached, the corrupt ones will go their merry ways and continue to be judges for sale regardless of public furor through social media.
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It’s ironic, isn’t it? Security of tenure is supposed to ensure the correct dispensation of justice against the temptations of bribery!
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You are right. This is what Mr Panganiban said earlier: I believe the Court’s prerogatives have two inherent limitations: public opinion and judicial self-restraint.
I think public opinion will make SC abandon the condonation doctrine.
Panganiban is pro-Binay.. didn’t you read the news..he is already organizing for the Binay campaign
WOULD WE HAVE EXPECTED OTHERWISE?
I posted this in Raissa’s Blog today:
PHilStar — ASEAN divided on China island-building
(April 27, 2015 – 2:38pm)
In short: nothing more than a statement that agreement is not possible because of non-congruent or identical INTEREST of each ASEAN country — NHerrera
ASEAN host Malaysia does not want to rock the boat.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/host-malaysia-avoids-chinese-ire-over-disputed-sea-at-asean-summit_1583648.html
I’m beginning to think that we surely cannot depend on our ASEAN neighbors. We need to face reality and seek the US and Japan’s support and cooperation.
I’d like to comment on the picture above. I suppose it falls under
“parenting and the family. It seems to me that most of the dysfunctionality gets passed from generation to generation within the family” – JoeAm
A picture paints a thousand words, says a song.
We see there a mother of four, sharing what seems to be their breakfast, I assume it’s breakfast as I can see the someone (is that the father or a 5th kid?) still lying on their makeshift bed along a sidewalk.
How they procreate in that public place is beyond me, I can see in other places families living in a kariton, with all their worldly possession in there plus their children. (I doubt if books can be seen among them.)
But they manage to bring forth into this world a lot of children, the future of which being uncertain judging from their present conditions.
The cynic (A person whose outlook is scornfully and habitually negative) will probably say these children will be the future snatchers, hold uppers, bank robbers of even drug users and drug pushers.
I hope these parents realize that they are continuing the cycle of poverty and mendicancy in being irresponsible parents by having this many children with no visible means of providing them with adequate basic needs, – food, shelter, clothing… unless they are the latest victims of widespread fires that usually happen right before and during the fire prevention month, but why are they not in evacuation centers?
Why do they persist in staying in the cities when obviously, they are not comfortable here… to beg, to scatter the garbage in various streets?, why can’t the government round them up and provide even a modicum of livelihood in the provinces?
More time is needed for further analysis on what to do with them for the moment.
will respond to karl, Sir N. Herrera and the others when i get back home… time to go, its almost 6:00 pm
Poverty has many causes. One of them is below average development of the brain and especially at the frontal cortex, the part that makes us think twice. This is mainly due to malnutrition during pregnancy and the first 6 months.
Therefor this PPP or conditional cash transfer program of the government is so important to reduce the inheritance cycle of poverty.
You know, that is so true and I may have one proof of that.
When we heard that one of our poor cousin is expecting yet another baby, we gave her some formula (in cans) designed to keep both mom and baby in optimum health. The baby turned out well and reasonably intelligent.
The next baby was not so lucky as she starved herself for no apparent reason, maybe depression, we don’t know. We did not know she was expecting as she kept it a secret, mindful of our cautioning her to limit her kids to a comfortable number they can nurture and provide for. The baby is a little retarded, prone to tantrums and cerebral palsy attacks, another source of her stress and lifetime responsibility.
She herself was a product of an unhealthy pregnancy on the part of my aunt-in-law not eating properly, a malnourished mother and baby. Somehow, we observe their family, siblings and their respective children who are like feathers being blown by the wind, so to speak… the laid back kind, who prefers gossiping to making their homes tidy and to plant anything and everything in the land so they can be food sufficient.
THE UNFINISHED BINAY NARRATIVE
Flash back to a year ago before the Bondal-Enciso complaint with the Ombudsman that resulted in the Pimentel Blue Ribbon Subcommitte Hearing on the Makati Building Overprice and subsequent charges. If Binay, struck much like St Paul on the road to Damascus, said, “I have rendered my long public service. I will retire from government service. At my age I will devote my remaining time to alleviating the plight of the poor, using whatever modest wealth I have accumulated to devote my time to the poor in my private capacity.”
That would have resulted in quite a narrative. A narrative to a Saint Binay.
But that did not happen. Now, with prospects of jail for him, his son and wife, we know how the narrative goes.
THE NARRATIVE WITH BINAY PUSHED TO THE WALL
The only option now is for him to seek that Presidency by all means and whatever cost to him (even practically emptying his coffers) and whatever cost to the country. Installed as President thereby, recovery of the emptied coffers is virtually assured as well as eliminating the prospects of jail for him and members of the family. We have a Binay pushed to the wall under the present circumstance. We have Binay transformed from the Saint Binay in the previous narrative scenario.
We need to do all we can to prevent Binay or Bongbong or even Estrada from being elected by the masa voters as President. Please share the FB postings of “Thinking Class of the Philippines Community”. Verbal posts seems to be not so attractive to the young and even to the not so young voters out there. They have to have visual aids to help them think…. most of them anyways… I feel so defeated and hopeless trying to engage them (even the senior citizens) in meaningful discussions.
With the Supreme Court, COA, DOJ and the Ombudsman joining forces, Binay is going to jail.
Magdilang anghel ka sana, Bing.
Just dropping off this topic here for future reference for Joe or anyone who wants to write on it.
Currently, NBC”s lead news anchor Brian Williams is under suspension due to a claim he made before that he was in a chopper that was shot down in Iraq while on coverage. Turns out it was false, and he is now under investigation. NBC has found other instances when he embellished
events and CNN analysts say this is NBC’s way of forcing him to resign.
What a waste, for someone who was seen as a worthy successor to Peter Jennings! Anyway, comparing him to Noli de Castro is so funny because while Williams makes false claims to make himself look more credible, Noli is content with doing nothing at all to make himself credible! ha ha ha When he was VP, many considered him to be GMA’s secret weapon because no one would want to oust GMA if it means Noli becomes President!
Dan Rather also made a telling comment: in today’s news reporting, tweeters and bloggers have become more powerful in telling the news, citing the Nepal quake and the US police racism issues. He says that perhaps the power that news anchors are declining. hmmm…..
Blog fodder.
Can’t understand what ABS CBN sees in Noli de CAstro, Viewers have been flooding negative posts but he is still there, spewing innuendos and slanted news reading… criticizing the government left and right in his radio program.
per this link, NBC news chief wants Brian Williams back.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/nbc-news-chief-brian-williams-back-asap-source-article-1.2200903
EDUCATION AS THE MAGIC BULLET — WITH RH BILL AND A GROWING ECONOMY ASSISTING
(JoeAm, forgive the rather rapid-fire posting, your smorgasbord of topics is stimulating.)
There is no question that an effective Education is the country’s magic bullet.
Even when the Constitution mandates priority to Education in the setting of national budget, it is just not enough. A braking of the population surge is important and we dearly hope DOH will not relax in its efforts with the RH Law already passed. The continuous economic growth (though not yet felt by the majority poor) is a must to help in increasing the funds allotted to Education. If philanthropic organization such as the Bill Gates Foundation sees the seriousness with which we are pursuing this activity they may on their own or if asked give generous assistance too.
If the others improve faster than we do, we still have a problem. We do not live in a static world. How can we overtake them with spending a smaller % of our GDP? We are smarter (?), but that much?
Vietnam spends 5.3% of gdp for educ Malaysia and Thailand 4.1%,Singapore 3% We are tied with Indonesia at 2.8 %
short term overtake Malaysia and Thailand spending, mid term overtake Vietnam.
That is why payment of public sector debts is important. Bloated bureacracy must be resolved,not by making half of bureacracy contractual that is cosmetic.Maybe computerization of processes may cut man power requirements that is why many hate automation.
Private sector jobs must be available. Micro entrepreneurship,smes must florish. For that to happen availability of credit and a credit scoring (fico like) must happen,maybe to reduce default on payments.
After all of that maybe there would be more education spending.
The answer I believe is that after a certain point the effect of investments become minimal compared to the peculiarities that a culture enforces on itself.
ON RELIGIOUS FAITH AND LACK THEREOF
The ordinary Catholic has the faith; some Bishops and Archbishops do not. (Think Mitsu-Archbishop Arguelles of NTC fame and Archbishop-at-large Bacani, another politician-prince of the church and slapped at the wrist by Vatican for sexual hanky-panky — both deliver nice pro-forma homily or statements, but act differently.)
Catholic history is not pleasant at all, from fake priests,to not fake but evil priests,padre damasos,padre salvis and now mitsubishops. The important thing is the good must not only outnumber the bad, but the good must do something about it.
Read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/italys-culture-threatens-its-economic-future/2012/06/28/gJQAM4OTBW_story.html
Banfield, Edward (1955). Moral Basis of a Backward Society.
If you know the culture and history of Italy, you will easily understand the history of the Philippines as well. Both countries are family-oriented, but not civic-minded. Both countries also see the government as hostile, rival families are threats, and friends and immediate families are the only trustworthy ones, and most of all, the Catholic church is their savior.
Read also this: http://bswett.com/1998-05Church300.html
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2012/05/04/catholicism-is-a-country-filipinos-cant-leave/
This is where the Roman empire morphed Christianity into their own extension (as Roman Catholic Church) and did continue their political influence to the spheres that have their religion (Latin Europe, Latin America, Philippines). Their influence is so big that people always believe the Church first, regardless if they contradict science, medicine, or the bible; hence calling RCC antichrist.
Disclaimer: this doesn’t necessarily mean RCC is satanic. This is figurative as this means all Catholic-dominated countries (except France) are poor and chaotic, as in cases of LatAm and PH. In Latin Europe (again except France), they’re bomarded with illegal aliens and economic recession.
Also read this: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/oct/31/economics-religion-research
The absolutism of RCC in Latin Europe caused poverty among all Catholic countries worldwide.
The only Latin Catholic country to escape from the Catholic cycle of poverty and the Latin culture is France. Hope Italy and the rest, particularly PH will follow France’s example.
If you understand these factors, you will understand the true state of the Philippines.
On religious faith and the lack thereof.
I have no problem with religion, I have problem with people of religion. They should not be meddling in politics by using and taking advantage of their faithfuls. The Catholic, the Islam, the Iglesia Ni Cristo and all those opportunistic peddlers of spiritual voodoos and witchcraft nonsense should realize that putting their fingers in politics is an indication they themselves don’t hold the Truth that is why they meddle and participate in national gambling (elections). Those assholes were taking advantage of the gullibility of the people. It’s that simple. They are the cold-blooded pirates roaming the spiritual sea taking hostages of innocent souls for their own earthly-avarice.
MPIY! ✊
There has always been a close relationship between religion and power throughout human history, and the only time that pattern was broken was during the War of Independence here between England and its American colonies.
Thomas Paine, who played the crucial role of “thought leader” (along with Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin), pressed for the separation of state and church, knowing full well the tyranny of religion. Because Paine took the whole notion of atheism/humanism too far, he was largely written off.
Fast forward to now, and American evangelical organizations have begun opening their own law schools, and inserting their lawyers into government.
It’s a constant, ancient process. No matter how advance a nation purports to be, religion and power will always attempt to marry. The only way to counter this is education, so far though the closest to a Thomas Paine the Philippines ever produced was still Jose Rizal, and you guys have largely made a caricature of him to fit him to your own Filipino sensibilities.
Thomas Paine was also made a caricature of for posterity, but at least his three books and countless articles live on, more importantly his ideas. Sadly, Jose Rizal has been relegated to the past and long been made irrelevant.
The concepts of humanism and atheism (and thus public service), whether you are a person of faith, are still very much relevant and worth fighting for–that should be the role of the Dept. of Education. Respect and even foster faith, but at the same time keep magical thinking from infecting governance–
know the difference between delusion and faith.
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LCpl_X,
Agree with all that has been said except the last bit about education fostering faith.
Faith in what?
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“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
― Albert Einstein
I guess faith in one’s own ignorance, which leads to humility. Religion is abused when its peddlers believe they know everything. Faith in and of itself, there’s nothing wrong IMHO, and a healthy dose is necessary, as is skepticism and cynicism.
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
– Hamlet
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Thanks. Perhaps not faith in ignorance but faith in the rationality of man to overcome and faith in a purposive universe (which may be Einstein’s pose of wonder as he says, “God does not play dice with the universe)?
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That’s better put. But humility is the point–ie., there’s more that we don’t know, compared to what we do know. And the recognition that science itself can become a form of religion. Hence the importance of humility when it comes to knowledge, any knowledge.
For a lot of people, humility does not come in until they accumulate a lot of knowledge and find out that there are a lot of other things and occurrences that defy scientific explanation.
I think either by education or through the family, children can be infused with humility, thus inoculating them both from the over-specialization in academia & over-simplification of religion. So in their quest for knowledge both in academic and spiritual they’ll have that humility already intact.
Still there is a steady shift from Holy Providence to chance events to random events to events with a reasonable explanation to proven events. Evolution as an example, bacterial diseases, quantum mechanics, earthquake proof buildings…. Things we take for granted today were less than that not so long ago. What will the future bring?
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“What will the future bring?”
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For the latest news, the Drudge Report does a good job.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Baltimore is burning, for one.
For perspective, I gather information (look for patterns, etc.)
and put them here:
http://j.mp/i7weeks
Things don’t look good.
Will God give Filipinos the chance to make their nation greater than America has ever been?
Pandora’s trump: HOPE I cling to.
For a comprehensive catalog for the human agenda consult Greek Mythology and the Bible. (I think not enough believe in them anymore any way.)
THE INTERNET BABIES are not yet out-of-the-closet atheists. They know God is ineffective and tulog-sa-pansitan. It is obvious if ever at all they use their observatory faculties that RELIGION IS A FAILURE THAT PROMOTES POVERTY. Because only in POVERTY they lack education. Lack of education makes them sold out to retrogressive religion. .
THE INTERNET BABIES are just afraid to get out-of-the-closet BECAUSE THEY ARE DEPENDENT ON FOOD AND POCKET MONEY FROM RELIGIOUS PARENTS.
The NEXT GENERATION Filipinos will eventually free themselves from the bondage of Religion.
DOWN WITH RELIGION ! UP WITH EDUCATION ! Ooops! I mean “UP” not University of the Philippines. Go Ateneo! Go la Salle! Go to other schools rathern than U.P. which produced the most glamour crooks in the Philippines!!
I submit the root of the problem is overpopulation . its a given that we are divided, the politicians are corrupt and the elite don’t really care about the poor.
but if only the people planned their families to have children only when they can afford it, the problem we have today would be more manageable than it is now
the best example is during rush hour, when everybody is trying to get on the bus or jeepney. the first to get on the bus are those alone or with just one companion. the lesser your number, the faster you get to ride the bus. or even in restaurants during lunch or dinner. the first to be seated are those who require only one table
in short, its easier to feed a family if you are only 3 or 4, no matter what matrix you will use.
this situation applies to all our problems. food security, classroom shortage, disasters. a small and stable population would have solved a lot of these problems. do you need to build classrooms every year if you are growing only up to replacement rate? NO. do you need to expand the acreage of farm if there is no growing population to feed? NO
that’s why china imposes draconian rules regarding children because they know the enormous responsibility of feeding, clothing, educating and enriching and satisfying a billion people. a barrel of oil maybe $50 for now but when the GDP/capita of the Chinese reaches 20k, imagine the resources they need?
imagine 50 years ago when the Philippines had only 30m population? which is better?
You can’t mandate reduction of children, like China did. You’re playing with eugenics at that point, and the laws of unintended consequences.
The only way to solve over-population is to create the conditions that promote having less kids. It’s not the source of the problem, IMHO, it’s just a symptom–a symptom that adds to the positive loop at hand, yes, but not the root.
Otherwise, people are just doing what any organism in this world was meant to do, which is to multiply.
A poverty stricken couple, especially when there’s nothing better to do, will hump like bunnies. Absent of social security nets, having plenty of kids is the only viable option to ensure safety/security at old age.
Out of 10 children, if 1 makes it, whether through luck (a bar girl marries a financially stable man from the West) or hard work (illicit activities or legal), then their needs are met.
Gov’t and society have to ensure these needs are met in order to dissuade them from making babies. Look at the average birthrate of Western nations.
The Catholic church is also complicit here, or at least the values they espouse in these matters. The cops and soldiers I worked with there, had complete confidence of the pull-out method. I was 10 yrs old, when my elementary school taught us the birds and bees and the inefficacy of the pull-out method, we saw videos explaining this at the cellular level.
Sex education, IMHO, helps when it comes to unintentional conceptions due to bad info, like the above. Which begs the question, who teaches sex education there? Why were those cops and soldiers I met ignorant when it came to understanding how conception worked at the cellular level?
I am not advocating mandatory 1 child policy but to educate the people about the responsibility of raising a family.
in America (I am not Amboy, just an observant Filipino), when life is hard, the people postpone marriage or children.
whats happening in the Philippines now is that a tambay, who cant even buy his own cigarette, has the chutzpah to marry his equally tambay gf and have kids. im not that pessimistic but a prudent person would not be thinking marriage and family if he cant even finance his own vice?
ok lets say its human nature to satisfy tawag ng laman..but to have kids without the means to feed them?
In that case, I agree with you re education (especially a scientifically based sex education, not the sort that condones crap like the pull out method).
The issue of over-population is important, I’m not denying that. I got to visit an orphanage while there, and was surprise at the number of orphans from incest. Many times attributed to being fathers, uncles, brothers, grandfathers being drunk–first cousins, this was normal in the Middle East, so that didn’t bother me much.
over population is a symptom of poverty, lack of education and catholic values wrongly applied i.e Ang diyos na ang bahala.. among others
It is difficult to fight overpopulation when University of the Philippines-populated Philippine Media promotes subtly and covertly promotes religion.
Philippines is a FREE COUNTRY, supposedly, in theiroy, THE FILIPINOS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOSE HEAVEN and HELL if there is any, if at all, exist !
DOWN WITH RELIGION! ROMAN CATHOLICISM and CHRISTIANITY is a product of Spanish colonization !!!
I AM AN ATHEIST, WHY AM I BETTER OFF THAN FILIPINOS?
Two questions,
How is the Univ. of the Philippines (subtly, covertly) promoting religion?
And how are you as an atheist better off than Filipinos? And what’s the definition of better here?
That poor woman, in the picture, NEEDS tubal ligation bad !!!!
That statement’s void of empathy, and consistent with the rich/poor divide I witnessed there, but say she (and men also) does opt for tubal ligation are there clean, professional places where she can get this operation for FREE?
Would you yourself opt for tubal ligation, why or why not?
And here’s a hypothetical, If this operation was mandated by others (the gov’t, other groups) to you, ie. you have to have tubal ligation, for any list of reasons, would you have this operation?
mercedes just have a dry sense of humor, LCpl_X. A coping mechanism for a lot of Filipinos frustrated with never ending social issues in our country.
I see.
Last time I heard, this is still a democratic(?) country; it’s a CHOICE, no mandates
required !! ( Does the heckler in me show, Mr. Llores ? You are from the deep north, I am from the liberal south. Why do I have a funny feeling that this corporal is actually Joe ?)
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Yes, Mercedes, the heckler in you shows strongly and is in fine form.
The antonym of “liberal” is not “deep.” In a political context, it is “conservative.” But if you are characterizing me and my birthplace as deep, I accept. (And why, may I ask parenthetically, is the south liberal?)
As a segue to your last question, rhetorical though it may be, let me just say that the corporal and JoeAm are judgmental as all bloggers must be… and straight-shooters as Westerners tend to be. It comes from their cowboy ancestry. I believe we have smoothed out the rough edges of JoeAm and he has acquired a patina of Oriental subtlety and tact, except when he is fulminating against China aggression, Binay corruption, senatorial incompetence, judicial folly … the list is endless as this blog has more than 600 entries.
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Mr. Lores I thought we were talking about OZ !!!!!
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Ahaha! You got me, Mercedes.
I was momentarily dislocated — geographically speaking. I thought you were referring to my Philippine roots, which is the Ilocos, and your south, which could be Visayas or Mindanao.
Excellent heckle!
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John Bjelke P is/was from the North, right or were you around during his time ???
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Sir Joh is indeed from the north, but he was before my time. I only moved up here in 2011.
So by south you mean Sydney or Melbourne. The latter is more cosmopolitan than the former, so I deduce “liberal” is Melbourne… but then my Sherlockian skills seems to have deserted me.
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Accomplished hecklers, all come from Melbourne; you should listen to them, sometime. North is really just steamy 🙂
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Steamy? Ah, your heckling has indeed reached stratospheric heights!
I surmise your skills have been honed by the comedy festivals held in Melbourne, in particular the mock debates that feature the finest, if scatological, speaker-celebrities Down Under like Paul Mcdermott. Abante!
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Yup, abante gyud 🙂
By covering every religious tradition and rituals also promotion of incredible prayers.
Considering my income, I am better off.
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nagimasen,
Using the 5 whys approach, an appropriate question would be: What is the cause of overpopulation?
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tough to answer but the truth is poverty got worsened when the population is no longer manageable. growing up in late 70s in a province in the north, poverty/hunger was not so much a problem when everybody had lands to till. I don’t even remember evacuating to a school during typhoons. the villagers just go to where the sturdiest house (one was our house). now its a government operation. it only means that people now occupy every nook and cranny that they have to be evacuated to avoid disaster.
There is a strong correlation worldwide between poverty and fertility. Poor people having many children, more affluent ones less. Some of the possible why’s:
1- As explained before in this blog, malnutrition hinders the development of the frontal cortex and the restraint system of the brain, more impulsive behavior is the result.
(Please be careful with this statement. We talk about averages. It tells nothing about individuals, some might be 10 times more thoughtful than we. It is only one element that has to work in combination with other aspects as education, cultural aspects, etc. to form a deadly cocktail. This one attribute can be offset by strengthening other characteristics, e.g. by working harder.)
2- Many children are perceived as insurance, reducing risks. If one passes away it is easier to absorb. At old age it is easier to ask each of your 10 children 100 peso than to ask your only child 1000 peso.
3- Sex is still the cheapest form of recreation, especially with no contraception.
Religion has little to do with it. Compare in the Philippines the number of children of better off couples and dead poor couples, both are catholic. Catholics and poverty? May be.
Better off couples has less children than dead poor couples –
True, but in middle class better off couples where both spouses are working, problems on who will mind the children is often one reason why they limit children to 2 or just one.
Dead poor couples has at least the mother staying home to care for the brood.
In our clan’s example there were 10 siblings, 8 of them females my aunts, one aunt will dump all the young, still out of school kids to a sister at 4:00 am and off to the field she goes, returning only at sundown. The next day, that sister will then play nursemaid while the other goes to their own farm to help her husband. An aunt of mine is wiser, she dumps her kid, even the one still nursing, at 3:00 am and the other mother, her sister, who has no other choice, will nurse her niece/nephew along with her own baby. In those days breast feeding is the norm, no bottle feeding at all. After a while, all the sisters have a dozen each children, but most of them were raised responsibly, and are all professionals and productive citizens, although some of them are migrants to US and Canada where they practice their profession. There are exceptions of course, (hence there are poor cousins and second cousins) but mainly because they lack the drive, focus and determination to rise from where they are, to strive for a better life, and content to ask or expect to be helped and be helped indefinitely.
Please bear with my poor editing, lots of grammatical error in my posts, no grammar police and chief editor here.
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😉 😉
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One male cousin (after getting his engineering license, even jokingly talked to their carabao and horses, bye, bye guys, I won’t see you any more. He is now in US practicing his profession. Before that, he took over the task usually done by his father (who was struck by tuberculosis when he was still a young boy, and was thus reduced to just be the adviser and moral guide and escort to his girls when they went to Manila for college studies ), his mother took over the farming and its management until he was old enough to help out.
PS, am I boring you guys, by my continuing anecdotes of my family life, going the way of Ireneo Salazar?… Sorry, can’t help it, just to show that in real life, not just theories, one can rise from extreme poverty and helplessness. – the family saga of the Perez clan…
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Anecdotal evidence does not provide conclusive proof. It does provide acceptable proof in particular instances. So does kamaganak-dotal evidence.
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I’m a big fan of anecdotes. Statistics not so much. So keep ’em coming, Mary, they humanize the discussion.
Mary, I am very interested in the topic of rural poverty in the Philippines. At last reading, I found out that half of the population there live in the rural area. Fishing and farming are their main livelihood. A third of the general population are poor and most of them live in rural Philippines. For a country that is blessed with natural resources, I wonder why there is so much poverty. Are the poor really just lacking in motivation or do they have unmet needs to be productive?
That also brings out the topic of food security in the Philippines. How can Filipinos be food secure? The IRRI and other farming entities in the Philippines have taught other countries how to farm and these countries have great successes toward food security: Vietnam, Thailand, India to name examples. These countries are now exporters of farm products, including rice. Philippines still import rice and other farm products. How can Philippines be self sufficient?
Though the purpose of Bill Gates’ visit to Los Banos was not disclosed, I am hoping that he saw the Philippines food insecurity and devising a way to assist in solving the problem.
I, at some point, want to go back to share what I learned about farming.
land is finite. and the country is located along the typhoon belt. right now, our farms are more productive than any southeast Asian country. the problem is there is only so much land to till and the threat that the crop will be destroyed by a typhoon. now even Mindanao is being hit by typhoons.
its time to be serious with the population. its just ridiculous that some respectable people still argue that we could pack more people into our islands, as if only people matters. don’t we want forest? open areas? wildlife? clean air? there are more trees in the village we live now in California than in the village I grew up with.
what if there is a failure of crop in those rice exporting countries? you can not just depend on prayers
@ Juana Pilipinas
I myself is asking this question. We can trace poor health and yes, lack of sufficient motivation, to begin with, are reasons why rural poverty still exists. An old woman (our former neighbor before we migrated to Metro Manila) I talked to says that before, they can eke out a living from the fruits of their land, now, pests and typhoons defeat them. Her sons had turned to business and left farming altogether.
Poor health comes from modern diet which the poor has unfortunately resorted to. Whereas before, fresh fruits, and vegetables from our own backyard plus the fresh fish being peddled by those living in lake shores are the common staples. I can speak for myself, cucumber salad (with a little salt and calamansi juice, together with boiled fish (pinangat) and I am gratified. Sometimes, boiled string beans, freshly harvested from our nearby garden plus pinangat na tawilis, wow… lunch is solved. Boiled malunggay (moringa) with tomatoes.. heaven for me. Those days we are energetic, determined and willing to face challenges that life and circumstances will throw at us.
Now, they are so into hotdogs, instant noodles (the poor man’s diet nowadays), pork and longanisa which they get from nearby sari sari store on credit as their daily diet, no wonder they are lethargic and less motivated to go out and do something to be food sufficient. After all, they do have a backyard, and we are willing to let them till our tiny portion of land left to us by our grandparents.
Although they try, but somehow, life has been less rewarding to them. They want instant success, so they surrender the land to wild grass and climbing plants that turn it into a wild forest so we decided to plant mahogany trees instead.
Heck what a horrific grammar…
the opening sentence should be I myself am asking…sorry guys
Source: National Statistics Office
A 142 Million Philippine Population by 2045?
Reference Number:
2014-050
Release Date:
Monday, July 28, 2014
By the year 2045, the Philippine population is projected to increase to 142 million according to the latest 2010 Census-based population projections. Around 50 million people would be added in a span of 35 years. This increase in numbers would take place even if the average annual growth rate is projected to decline significantly, from 1.73 percent during 2010-2015 to 0.65 percent during 2040-2045. The Philippine population grew by 1.9 percent annually during the decade 2000-2010.
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In 1995, we had a population roughly around 68M. That translates to the population doubling in 50 years. Pretty scary thought considering that now, government services can barely cope with basic needs ( food, shelter, water supply, electricity, garbage disposal, etc.)
Population? Why not try Church? 👀
Yes, indeed.
“God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” ” — Genesis 1:28
“God never goes back; he always moves forward. Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. God could have redeemed them and sent them back to the garden, but he didn’t, for two reasons: God always wants our future to be bigger than our past, and God always moves forward.” — Matthew Kelly, Catholic preacher
Rediscover Catholicism, by Matthew Kelly
“Catholicism is a treasure map: It may be old, but it still leads to treasure. Let’s rediscover it together, and help others to do the same.”
http://catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/other-topics/rediscover-catholicism.html
kalokohan. millions of people prayed during typhoon Haiyan and it didn’t work
build sturdy houses and away from hazard areas. that’s the answer
I feel sorry for you, nagimasen..
Please don’t step on other’s beliefs… a little tolerance is in order…
God in His wisdom, allow such things to happen for a reason, to teach us lessons. Local governments should have listened and prepared more. Others had and did better.
One formula I try to always reflect in prayer is: Grace builds on nature and then say Thy will be done.
(Thanks, Mary Grace and Dios ti ag-ngina met kenca, nagimasen)
For Haiyan victims (2014), from mostly the Catholics of America:
http://www.crs.org/philippines/philippines-financials.cfm
we also did our share by giving to Meloto’s non profit.
as the saying goes, do your best and God will do the rest. pag di matigas ang ulo, sana kukonti lang ang biktima
I totally agree on that.
“The sad irony is that, as the Philippines rises to its highest standing in history, its President falls to his lowest popularity ever. What’s with that?” – JoeAm
We still have over a year of this presidency…. That’s still 365 days of the President trying to complete his promised change in the level of corruption, to improve the economy and to place the country in a higher level among the community of nations.
To do that, he needs the cooperation of the Filipino citizens, his bosses, as he cannot do them all by his lonesome. That’s the sad irony, with all these negative nitpicking magnified by the mainstream media, his popularity level dives to its lowest level thereby undermining or weakening his authority and effectiveness when for example, in this ASEAN conference, he strives to secure a common stand against China’s bullying tactics (the shooing away of Filipino fishermen from their own territorial waters, the building of permanent structures which they claim are for storm shelters only but more than likely to be used as staging area for military exercises and nuclear bases, not mentioning their rude destruction of our coral reefs and other natural resources) . Who will support a president that is not supported in turn by his own constituents? You negativism advocates and destabilizers … can’t you think for one minute and reflect on what you are doing to our country?
There are no flowers in Burgos Park, at Bonifacio Global City… damn
It’s all in the mind, Mary. Close your eyes and go to your happy place. 🙂
haha… thanks, @ Juana Pilipinas… will do that.
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I do not live on a farm as Juana does. In fact, I live in a backwater suburb.
Here’s an excerpt from a letter I wrote to a friend recently:
…I arise after six to take my daily walk.
I do not live in the best part of town, but there is a park just across the street. It is a relatively huge expanse of green and has some picnic tables, a playground, a basketball court, a volleyball court, an exercise machine platform, and an enclosed dog playground. .A waterway, a rain drainage system, cuts across the park. It’s so beautiful and quiet in the morning when the sun rises, bathing the park in golden light. Did I say quiet? Nah ah. The birds – magpies, cockatoos, ibises, ducks, at times rosellas, and sparrows — are so raucous. It is a sight to behold the flocks of cockatoos along the banks of the waterway, feeding on the bulbous roots of grass, leaving brown patches on the green carpet.
At that hour, already some four-footed masters are brought to the playground by their two-footed servants… on foot, or in small cars, medium cars and SUVs. The dogs, too, are of all sizes, colors and pedigrees. They bark joyfully, sniff and chase each other and gambol around like the free spirits that they are.
I realize just now that being retired is something like a dog’s life. In the popular idiom, the phrase is taken to mean a hard and harsh life. Here, in Oz, the reverse is true.
Of course, no one serves me hand and foot but, like you, I am self-sufficient and self-contented. In times like these, I feel fortunate and am filled with gratitude that I have been allowed.”
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Wow, what an uplifting letter. You do have a flair for the right words, and your wisdom knows no bounds. I would like to save this post, it’s so beautiful and refreshing.
Life in our province is quite stressful nowadays what with all the still poor relations bickering with each other, brutal fights from male cousins after a drinking session, ugh…
I have decided to invest in a condominium unit that offers almost if not all of what you described: lap pool, tropical garden deck, jogging trails…lifestyle in an urban resort where I look forward to enjoy all the captivating elements of nature, not just one at a time, every single day, to come home everyday to my own urban resort, my private city escape where all the elements of nature find perfect harmony, or so this brochure promises. I’ll see in four months when I accept the unit if I did alright in investing. My dream of retirement home in the province where I will raise my own vegies and my own chicken is still another option when I reach retirement, 20 years from now… for now, this condo unit will be something to look forward to…. later this year.
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We are of the earth. It’s nice — no, essential — to be grounded in Nature.
Though not as hard as Juana is. 🙂
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Long, long time an uncle, loved by all kids for his story telling, told me that the easiest way to happiness was to marry a happy partner. Then I was too young to really understand. But now I know that he was right!
Yes, I like the birds and the sun rise too.
Beautiful letter, edgar. Are you working on a book? If not, you should.
Inter agency problems.
NBI vs police, Police vs Military, Army vs Marines,etc.
Intreroperability is a must.
Shared database for Customs,Trade,Agticulture,BIR,NBI
Ptoblem, IT vendors come and go, so does inhouse IT.
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Re centralized databases:
1. Australia has a federal government node that links tax (BIR), pensions (SSS) and Medicare.
2. When you open a bank account or any account with a financial institution (like GSIS and SSS), you have to provide your tax account number. If you don’t you are taxed at the highest rate.
2.1. The banks are required to report interests calculations to the tax office,
2.2. When you file your tax return, the interest income you report are matched against the bank reports.
2.3. Your medicare benefits are also matched, although you don’t have this benefit yet. (In Australia, you get a Medicare discount for doctors’ fees and prescription medicine (?).)
3. A shared database between BIR and NBI is feasible as these would contain individual citizens data. Customs and Trade are more juridical persons than natural persons? If so this might be a separate database but, yes, Customs and Trade can be linked.
4. In Australia, voter registration is computerized but is not currently linked to the central node.
4.1. Another database that can be linked is with the individual database are driver’s licence and motor vehicle registration.
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5. An important database that has not been conceived is a cadastral database. Remember the Corona trial when his property assets could not be identified? The Makati-Taguig dispute? And the Binay hacienda debacle?
5.1. If the entire Philippines could be surveyed and mapped, if local councils could computerize their land and ownership records and these could be linked to a central node, the benefits would be enormous. Think of the impact on agrarian reform, land tax collection, the settlement of land-ownership disputes, the absence of land disputes cases in the judiciary, and honesty in SALNs!
5.2. The land holdings of rich individuals, corporations and religious organizations would become visible.
5.3. Friar lands that lie fallow may be taxed or returned to the government (under eminent domain) as a solution to agrarian reform and informal settlers.
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Thanks Edgar, Why would I mix trade and boc with individual bir and nbi .
For the individual, a national ID system would be best.
Many doable suggestions in most of the above and below, somebody may have thought about it for sure, but we will continue to talk about it until we see results.
property may be matched to income and if donated, was a donor tax payed. It will almost eliminate dummies.
don’t know what their problem with national ID. in the US you are identified by your SS number and your drivers license
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SS numbers and drivers’ licences are issued to adults only. Presumably a national ID would be given at birth. I guess a national database would need to have several keys. Thinking of the difficulty of identifying victims and dead terrorists, also biometric data.
(The above comment does not address the ethical issues surrounding a national id system and the need for computer power equivalent to an NSA installation.)
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Yes. Early on working on mainframes, I thought, with simplicity of computers, why don’t SSA, NSA, FBI, Immigration, etc. computers simply share files for national objectives. Really super naive of me.
I don’t see any issue with national ID. you are concerned with ethics, privacy but google and facebook know more about you than the government? so whats the problem?
as we learned in Intel School, there is no such thing as impenetrable barrier. if the govt wants to spy on you, whether illegal or not, you can not do anything about it.
unless you are hiding into something??
think of the convenience of having a national ID. you don’t need to go to the bank, to LTO, to any govt agency. just your computer and presto, you can order all your needs.
the only time I transacted with a govt agency in the US is when I took the oath of citizenship, take driving test, and register to vote. after that, I just transact thru the internet. pay prop tax, registration, change of address, pay toll, order deed of grant, file inc tax
compare that with falling in line at LTO, NBI, NSO, SSS, GSIS.?
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DAgimas,
Thank you. I really haven’t thought about the ethical implications of a national ID. You bring up good points. And I agree that a national ID, of which Australia has a partial non-mandatory one, facilitates individual transactions with the state.
Here are some contra arguments against a national ID: https://www.aclu.org/5-problems-national-id-cards.
One can find many more expositions on the subject on the Internet. I will not regurgitate the contra arguments presented. You have nicely covered Reason #2 (surveillance). I will just state that to me Reasons #3 (database) and #4 (internal passports) are compelling.
I fear you make certain presumptions that may not be tenable. One presumption is that of the continuance of a benevolent government. Another presumption is that the people in charge of the national ID system will never abuse your personal info.
Because of inherent problems of a national ID system, such as maintenance of the data and identity theft, it is likely that an initial card system implementation might progress to the implantation of subdermal microchips. The technology already exists and is being used for cosmetic and medicinal purposes. They are also being used to identify cats and dogs. This opens a nightmare scenario under Reasons #2 and #4. Every physical movement you make — and not just transactional movements — can be tracked. I do not know about you, and like you I am a good citizen but — unlike iPhone owners — I would not want to grant anybody the capability of tracing my movements. I may be a good citizen but I may be an inconstant husband or wife.
I recognize the above is a straw man argument at this stage.
A national ID brings to mind the tattooing of Jews in WWII, and the consequent discrimination argument in Reason #5.
The incursions into privacy and, more importantly, into personal freedom are real. Are you really willing and ready to surrender these to the state? And sacrifice these for the sake of mere convenience?
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The cadastral database and a unifying ownership system is a must because it is an essential part of how our national economic progress can be discussed and planned. It makes our sovereignty comprehensible. Thanks for bringing it up.
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The setting up of the database would be at enormous cost. I was just thinking that Google Maps might be used as an adjunct. They have satellite and terrain imagery. There is a feature that can measure distances from which, I would imagine, GPS coordinates can be derived. (If not, portable computers equipped with GPS can provide the information.)
The granularity seems to differ, and is dependent on local data. When I zoom in on Paranaque, I can see individual streets. When I zoom in on Brisbane, I can see individual plots of land, each of which is numbered. Chicago shows individual plots, but unnumbered.
We have to be aware also that Google does not show everything, that certain areas are redacted.
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Fascinating feasibility considerations you bring up. Way back during realtor classes I vaguely recall how home sites are determined and entered in the Register of Deeds. Also, I tried to use an internet formula using Longit & Latit coordinates to get at an area. I used it for approximating the area of the Sulu Sea. Neat, considering the formula already takes into account the sphericity of the planet’s surface.
@edgar
“The setting up of the database would be at enormous cost.”
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Databases at NSCB
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anscb.gov.ph+database
gave me
14,600 results
but am not sure if the database you have in mind is among them.
If necessary, we can create databases from the
CRRP
(Comprehensive Rehabilitation and Recovery Plan)
but we have yet to see a copy.
Search for CRRP at the NSCB site proved futile! 😦
btw, I came upon this just now (I still have to watch the video):
http://wp.preventionweb.net/wcdrr/typhoon-haiyan-yolanda-comprehensive-rehabilitation-and-recovery-plan-video/
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This video gives you an overview of the 8,000-page, 8-volume document containing 18,648 programs, projects, and activities for the 171 cities and municipalities in 14 provinces across the 6 regions of the Yolanda corridor. The President approved the Yolanda Comprehensive Rehabilitation and Recovery Plan (CRRP) on 29 October 2014. This is the government’s plan towards building back better, faster, and safer. (HFA Priority 1)
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Thanks, i7sharp, that’s a lot of databases to sift through. I doubt that it is there. During the Corona trial, the government could not accurately pinpoint all the real property assets of the Chief Justice. And the Binay hacienda scandal shows government records are not only not up-to-date but are fraudulent as well. I think it’s a database that has to be slowly built up bottom-up from municipal records and national government bureaus such as the Land Registration Authority; and top-down through aerial and geodetic surveys of the entire country. We are talking not only of horizontal land ownership but vertical ownership as in buildings and condominiums. But a lot of thinking has to go into it first, taking advantage of the advances in technology. I don’t know how the Torrens Title system describes the boundaries of properties, for example, and I was surmising we could use GPS bearings to do that. As in Google Maps, cartography would be an important element of the capabilities of the database. Then, of course, you have a lot of property changing hands, boundaries being redrawn, new developments in real estate occurring, condominiums going up, roads and bridges being built, so you have to provide for a vast amount of ongoing maintenance work on the database as well.
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Edgar,
More than five years ago, I came upon a article which prompted me to create a simple site on Geodesy.
It became the very first posting at site:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/RP-Geodesy/conversations/messages/1
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Integrated Geodesy & GIS
Mathematica 7 adds support for advanced high-precision geodesy, providing a modern foundation for accurate geospatial information and computation. With comprehensive support for all standard reference ellipsoids, datums and projections, Mathematica 7 streamlines the process of importing, combining and computing with geospatial data from varied sourcesas well as supporting symbolic geodesy, fully integrated with Mathematica’s broad mathematical computation capabilities.
Import of all common terrain and map file formats. »
Comprehensive built-in database of geodetic datums and reference ellipsoids. »
Geodetic forward and inverse problems. »
Geographic, ECEF, and local tangential ENU coordinate systems. »
Full 14-parameter datum transforms, including time dependence. »
Extensive built-in library of cartographic projections. »
Spherical and high-precision ellipsoidal projections supported.
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I don’t understand much of it but I will look into it again.
You, Sonny, and others will probably have a better grasp of the info I had gathered and posted there.
Navigating through the site may need getting used to but the effort may prove worth it.
Some links may not work because some services – such as the shortener tr.im has closed shop.
I have almost forgotten about the site!
ps The site’s membership is a GRAND TOTAL of … 1.
Moi. 🙂
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i7sharp, now we move into an area that you know more about, that have more expertise in. I have exhausted my limits. What is important is that we all recognize the possibilities of these suggestions, initiatives and technology, and bring it to bear on uplifting the country. Not by ourselves, perhaps, but my people reading the blog. Knowledge spreads, like water, and it cannot be blocked. Even a dam must run-off part of the water it holds as tributaries or rain fills it to capacity.
Come to think of it, this blog and social media is a sort of reservoir and fount.
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The excellent noah project had an offshoot of using LIDAR to map disaster prone problem areas (and if I am remembering it correctly the whole Philippines).
In a way we have more up to date data with elevation and terrain.
@edgar, @karl (“TANOD”)
I thought I had seen Edgar’s response to
but minutes later when I tried to send a response to it I could not find it anymore.
In any case, …
Edgar, can you please help or send another reply?
A quick follow-up.
It appeared again – right above my question about it!
A quirk on my tablet? On WordPress?
On my brain – before breakfast? 🙂
Can someone correct me,
I believe current land titles already contain the coordinates of a land. Of course land titles that are older probably do not contain this.
It would just be a case of encoding these within a simple system.
The government is flushed with cash and we need stimulus.
A government education for work program would be perfect for this encoding work.
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1. You are probably right. Description of Torrens Title from Wikipedia:
“The land register is the central aspect of the Torrens system. Originally the register was a bound paper record, but today the register is typically kept in a database.
“On the first registration of land under the system, the land is given a unique number (called a folio) which identifies the land by reference to a registered plan. The folio records the dimensions of the land and its boundaries, the name of the registered owner, and any legal interests that affect title to the land. To change the boundaries of a parcel of land, a revised plan must be prepared and registered. Once registered, the land cannot be withdrawn from the system.”
2. In the Oz Certificate of Title that I have, there is a lot number and reference to a registered plan number within the county (barrio?) and parish (municipality?). The dimensions are not in the certificate. It would be in the registered plan.
3. The registered plan is probably textual with a map derived from land surveys. As above, it describes the dimensions of the land probably by using the cardinal directions of the compass allied to some reference point. It may not provide GPS coordinates though.
4. GPS coordinates would be essential for visual mapping.
5. The land itself may contain markers (wooden stakes, concrete posts, clay pot shards?) to indicate boundaries.
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Edgar, Sonny, Giancarlo, et al:
Re Torrens Title, Cadastre, …
Please try these:
1 https://www.google.com/search?q=torrens+cadastre+strata&tbm=isch
2 https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Afig.net+Philippines
Salamat.
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i7sharp,
Thanks. Found these two items in the first Google item:
1. “As of December 2002, the status of Cadastral Survey in the Philippines is as follows:
o From a total of 1,496 municipalities, there are 827 with approved cadastral survey, 321 are in-progress, 280 are partially surveyed, 65 are still unsurveyed and 3 are abandoned.
o Out of 114 cities, 89 are with approved cadastral surveys, 16 are in-progress, 9 are partially surveyed and there is no unsurveyed.”
2. “The municipalities and cities with approved cadastral surveys covers 4,487,311 lots with a total area of 17,848,035 hectares, roughly 59% of the total area of the country. However, the data stored in the different Regional Offices of the DENR are still all in hard copies not in digital forms. Computer-based Land Information System and digital mapping project is hampered by funding constraints.”
There is indeed much work to be done.
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FIG Congress 2014
Engaging the Challenges – Enhancing the Relevance
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 16-21 June 2014
Linking the Land Information Systems in the Philippines Using the LADM as a Global Schema
Romer Kristi Aranas, Engineer, Rhodora Gonzalez and Louie Balicanta (Philippines)
Key words: Cadastre; Digital cadastre; e-Governance;
SUMMARY
The Philippines has multiple land registration agencies which have their own separate and isolated land administration systems. This result in the duplication of software development and redundant and sometimes conflicting data. These undermine the security of tenure as well as inconvenience the citizens and other users of said data. Connecting these systems would therefore enable better coordination between the agencies and offer significant savings in manpower and resources. In this paper, an approach for integration of the existing legacy systems using the LADM as a global schema is proposed. The LADM is extended to accommodate the existing Philippine land administration systems data models. The resulting data model is a minimal country profile that accommodates the existing databases and should serve as a contribution in the development of the full LADM country profile for the Republic of the Philippines.
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LADM = Land Administration Domain Model
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An exerpt from a speech from Raffy Alunan about National defense.
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Finally, in the larger scheme of things, I’d like to make three points.
First, based on the way the government has been conducting itself in the area of national defense, the era of mendicancy is a thing of the past. We are picking ourselves up from the floor and behaving as we should in the spirit of interdependence.
It is this same spirit that should underlie the basis for our security partnerships and alliances. Today, in the absence of credible deterrence, it is allowing strategic prepositioning because of what our geographic location offers. Tomorrow, credible deterrence would make us a firm link of a strong unbreakable chain, able to hold our own in the event that tensions with China break out into open conflict.
That should include economic security – trade, industry, finance; human security – jobs, food, energy; and ecological security – forests, soil, mangroves, water; and political security – good government, responsible citizenship.
Second, the national leadership should sustain its efforts to build that credible deterrence. I may be wrong but in the area of national defense for instance, I think that we are underspending despite the dangers to PH security. If I am not mistaken, the proposed 2015 defense budget is less than 1% of total. Compare this to the region’s annual average spending of 3% of GDP! We cannot hope to effectively shield the country from harm if government continues to unreasonably underspend.
Finding funding solutions is key to that. Clamping down on corruption and inefficiency is vital. If the rule of thumb is that 20% of the annual budget is lost to corruption and inefficiency that would amount to around P540-Billion of 2015’s proposed national budget. If government endeavored to reduce the leakage by half that would produce additional free cash of at least P270-Billion annually.
Utilizing the Malampaya fund in defense of energy resources in the KIG is another. According to Justice Carpio, the Court has issued a ruling that allows the use of Malampaya funds precisely for that purpose.
Launching a Patriot Bond for sale in the world’s capital markets is another. Additionally, expert government-to-government negotiations could produce beneficial results in terms of pricing and funding foreign military sales. Investments inindustrial parks to produce dual-use or civilian-military equipment and systems would spur industrial development.
All that needs leadership to harness a brain trust to determine the right mix of funding sources, integrate government and private sector initiatives, and orchestrate the complex effort of ensuring continuity until the mission is accomplished.
Third, speaking of a Patriot Bond, it’s crucial to the build-up of a “credible deterrence” for the national leadership to promote and instill a strong enduring sense of patriotism in the citizenry, complemented by a sense of urgency within the national security community.
One worthwhile idea is the long-awaited retooling of the Reserve Force Development Program to include the return of the mandatory CMT and ROTC courses under professional management, to firm up intestinal fortitude, inculcate discipline and cultivate the virtue of selfless service to the nation.
The enemy is not just at the gates, it’s found its way in already. If we are to survive as a free nation, we must build our inner strengths to expel and repel the forces of darkness in our midst.
I’ll end here. Thank you for your patience.
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Patriot bond? is it like govenment securities were we lend money to government.
Ok pattiot bonds to pay all our external debt would be nice.
Then patriot bond to fund the national budget
6 Trillion divided by 100 million = 6 million(??) per citizen????
If you compare that measly 6 million pesos per citizen to the amount the US wasted in Iraq and Af-Pak, absolutely no accounting, that’s chump change, karl. So for China, the US will cough a crap load, the Philippines priority should be that it stays there, spent well, and not returned to the US by way of Beverly Hills parties for some politicians daughter’s debut.
twelve zeros minus eight = four zeroes s it is 60,000. chump change it is.
sorry for my lazy math.
If for example the original afp modernization program of 340 billion in fifteen years was not realized, not by a long shot. Assets from bases conversion, Afp savings and loan interest income, malampaya revenues, and sometimes 5 bilion from budget; only resulted to less than 30 billion spent for modernization.How will a round 2 be financed differently?
Methinks a secific purpose bond to raise 500 Billion for AFP modernization be offered to the world. It can also be done for education, like 1 Trillion for k 12 program.1 Trillion for disaster prevention and relief,1 trillion for Agriculture modernization,etc….
The Chinese Military budget estimates range from 100B USD to 220B USD.
The Philippine Military budget is around 2B USD.
The discrepancy 50 to 100 times depending on estimates.
If you factor in the lack of progress from Marcos to GMA with respect to military spending over 25-35 years and even adjusting for the chinese economic miracle that is only around 20years we can see that we can never win this game.
We can only be smart about where we spend.
If I had a chance to bet on where we are going to spend and we had the US and Japan’s backing I’d say that building a nuclear bomb is the only way that the discrepancy in buying power could be remedied.
The minimum credible threat that we could pose even if we spend 10 percent of GDP is probably 30-50 years too far in the future.
Just my two cents.
A naval version of the DMZ should also be in play.
If the US is continuing development of the Star Wars anti ICBM/nukes we could host those systems.
Star War’s systems protect the air, Naval DMZ for the sea and for the land and we have terrorist style armaments for land.
So we could only go for minimum (in)credible defense. I still say we are wasting money on the big boats.i like your idea that we should invest in drones. In my comment somewhere that Education is the priority,so for us to spend ten times more for defense we must increase education spending ten fold as well.
If we go nuclear,the south Koreans might do an exodus,I think they think Nokor’s ICBM won’t reach the Philippines,that is why they are here.
Speaking of reclamation, I saw a presentation from the Navy about the air and naval bases the Chinese are building,and it is getting scarier by the day.Buti na lang matagal na tayong takot.
@karl are those presentations online?
I hate our position as the frontline in a possible future conflict. We are poland.
Giancarlo, I just happened to watched the presentation because sumabit ako sa invite sa dad ko. It was a maritime league forum. i was told the presentation was also made in the senate..I found this rappler article pero January pa.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/81596-photos-show-china-massive-reclamation
Poland, the doormat of Europe during WWII, gulp.
I found the news report on the recent senate hearing.
http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2015/05/07/Senators-probe-Chinas-sea-reclamation-work.html
On how this affects our fishermen.(and the whole nation)
http://cnnphilippines.com/videos/2015/05/06/China-reef-work-very-costly-for-Philippines-Part-1.html
Go, Mareng Winnie!
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/292306/bawalangpasaway/mareng-winnie-wants-vice-president-jejomar-binay-to-face-the-filipino-people
BENIGNO AQUINO III went to Indonesia to plead stay of execution: DENIED
ARCHBISHOP TAGLE prayed intergalactic intervention: DENIED
INQUIRER COLUMNISTS … did not analyze drug case: TOO BUSY COVERING MANNY PACQUIAO
INQUIRER … did not ask stay of execution: VELOSO EXECUTION DO NOT MAKE MONEY
INQUIRER … did not assign dedicated staff for Veloso coverage: THE DEDICATED STAFF ARE DEPLOYED TO COVER MANNY PACQUIAO
FILIPINOS … are not protesting and martsa-martsa-sa-EDSA: FILIPINOS ARE PREPARING FOR MANNY PACQUIAO FIGHT
FILIPINOS will not view Veloso’s wake: FILIPINOS BUSY PREPARING CONFETTI FOR THE NEW ANNOINTED NATIONAL HERO, MANNY PACQUIAO
Thank God, MJV was given another chance.
“Defying intense pressure from the international community, the government executed eight death row prisoners early on Wednesday on Nusakambangan prison island near Cilacap in Central Java, but spared the life of Filipina Mary Jane Veloso.
Read more: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/121913/indonesia-spares-veloso-executes-8-other-drug-convicts/#ixzz3YetqodoD
HOW MUCH ECCLESIASTICAL BRIBERY (aka Tithing) COSTS FILIPINO PEOPLE?
US$266,666,666.00 !!!!
Php5.00 per fanatically Religious Filipinos give to church on a Sunday. Multiply that by a conservative number of 50,000,000 church-goer. Multiply that number by 4 Sundays in a month. Multiply that number by 12 months in a year. THEY RAKE IN Php12,000,000,000 (Twelve Billion Pesos in a Year) Divide that number by Php45/US$ = US$266,666,666.00
NOT BAD !!!!! That is why the Church is against Condominization of the Philippines !!!!!
That does not include revenues from:
1. Special and Regular baptism
2. Special and Regular Wedding
3. Home-service Mass: SELF-SERVICE IS NOT ALLOWED
4. Drive-by Confessions:
5. Agustinian investments in San Miguel Corp
6. Malacanang Special Masses
7. Renato Corona Personal Defensive Mass
8. Binay Family Personal Defensive Mass
9. Blessings of New Cars
10.Blessings of New House
HEY, WHO SAID IT DOESN’T COST TO GO TO HEAVEN. DUDE, IT IS EXPENSIVE.
The church also delve into PROTECTION RACKET worthy of RICO:
The bigger the ecclesiastical bribery the harder they are prosecuted. Example: Binays, Renato Corona and all U.P. educated crooks.
The Iglesia requires 10% of income
If 100 k members earn 10 k monthly that would be 100 million monthly 1.2 billion per annum
And if 1 k member earn 1million monthly would be another 1.2 billion yearly
So an estimate of 2.4 billion annualy from INC Members, what if there are more of them?
not true karl. There are no specified amounts or percentages.
Please elaborate on this, giancarlo. I am curious how the INC members “tithe.” It takes a lot of money to build those architecturally complex churches so the donations must be br real generous.
Voluntary Offering as it is officially termed is a basic teaching of the church. The basic premise is that 2 Corinthians 9:7 “Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
There is no set amount.
There are 4 main offerings:
1. Offerings during worship service
2. Offerings for Local/District expenditures.
3. Offerings for Lingap/Social Projects of the church such as relocation of disaster survivors (Yolanda/Bohol quake) and Livelihood projects such as the eco farming projects in Nueva Ecija/Leyte etc.
4. End of year thanksgiving.
The only duty is to give for ALL these. The example given is even if you give 1M for only one of these you were not compliant compared to a member who gives 10 pesos to each of the 4 offerings.
On a personal note I do end of year tabulation of all my spendings. I tallied around 14-18 percent of income depending on what I include.
Thanks for the information,i apologize for the misinformed comment I made.
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Thank you for the clarification, giancarlo.
Sorry Giancarlo,I listened to chismis.So all I can say is there are many generous INC people as per wiki are 2.45 % of Ph population.and 1.37 mil vote.
My ballpark figures above is way way off,but still I am impressed of the funds that came from tithes and other sources of funds and revenue(based on the churches and the biggest arena ever).
One Filipino, I AM SURE THERE ARE MANY OF THEM, said that Mary Jane Veloso died because she is AMBISYOSA to go abroad !!! So, people, DO NOT BE AMBITIOUS. It is BAD!!! It is against the cultural grain of the Filipinos and the church. Because the church taught Filipinos, “IT IS EASIER TO PASS THRU THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE THAN A RICH FILIPINO”
FILIPINOS FIND AMERICA EVIL. Porn are sold in the streets. Free XXXWeekly, a classified ads of escorts and strip clubs. No prayers in school. No crucifixes or Ten commandments planted in public places. They do not pray for Veloso, they only say “moment of silence”. They cannot spank their children. So many things that Filipinos cannot do.
BUT THEY LINE AROUND THE EMBASSY thru rain or snow or sleet to go to my country to REAP WHAT THE DEVIL AMERICANS HAVE SOWN.
Does that make Filipinos Evil, too?
If China didn’t develop Spratleys, Panganiban Shoals and Scarborough, WHO WILL?
If Irish and English did not “reclame” (that is what AFP brass used) the New World and made it into America as known today, WHO WOULD HAVE?
If U.K. did not reclaim Falklands, would Argentina had developed it into tourist destination?
If Spain had not “reclame” Tenerife from the Polynesians ….
If Hawaii were not grabbed by Americans …
If Samoa …
If corrupt South Vietnam were not invaded by North Vietnam …
Protection of SPRATLEYS, PANGANIBAN SHOALS AND SCARBOROUGH is expensive. If the world gives it back to Filipinos, WOULD THEY DEVELOP IT? FOR WHOM? Can I afford to go there? Can ordinary Filipinos get to see these islands that the Philippine Government stole food from hungry children to protect it. FOR WHOM THE GOVERNMENT IS PROTECTING THESE ISLANDS? ZOBELs? THE GATES? HENRY SYs? LUCIO TANs? Does tourism enough to recover the cost of protecting these islands?
Filipinos are environmentalists an excuse that Filipinos cannot afford to develop and drill these islands.
The Oil drill exploration along Tanon Strait is strucked down by Supreme Court to protect the habitat of the dolphins over the dead bodies of starving hungry Filipino children.
The dolphins are more important than Filpinos.
It is no wonder the dogs of slaveholders in the Philippines have better menu than their slaves.
what a moron. reclamation is different from colonization. the places you mentioned are islands and continents, not shoal or reefs. shoals or reefs are part of the see hence res nullus, it belongs to the global commons. since with the passage of ITLOS, the exploitation of the sea up to 200 miles belongs to the littoral state
now Filipino fishermen cant even fish on those shoals anymore
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nagimasen,
Please refrain from name-calling and using pejoratives.
In this blog, we aspire to have a higher tenor of discussion here.
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I second this motion… MRP, please take note of JoeAm’s reminder.
The Germans say: “Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht” or humor is when you laugh anyhow – somewhere it should hurt a little bit. It may take time to appreciate MRP… (when he has no verbal diarrhea)
Houseslaves in the Philippines do not have rights.
1. They do not have sick time
2. No Vacation Time
3. No nap time
4. No lunch time
5. No dinner time.
6. No Social Security
7. No breaktime
8. Works from sunup to sunup
9. Works in the most deplorable condition
10 No weekends off
11 Raped
12. Laughed at
13. Not given a semblance of dignity
14. No free spech
And to think the Filipinos are vemently violently fanatically religious people !!!!!
… but they keep many families upright. Start implementing the minimum wage laws, apply huge penalties, ask Kim Henares for advise.
This is the reason I cannot morally agree to house help.
I wanted to give house help minimum wage and my budget chief says we cannot afford it.
Hence no house help.
Philippines is the center of RICE RESEARCH. This is where Miracle Rice was invented. Philippines to this day import and smuggle rice. They do not have food security. They are food challenged.
This one deserves an honest analysis, I talked to a soil scientist doing work for an NGO, who fondly remembered when farming, agriculture experts from around SE Asia used to go to the Philippines. Experts in any field should be considered national resources, and as such safeguarded (here, they have national labs, national facilities for R&D).
How did the Philippines, in detail, lose this expertise and status among its SE Asian neighbors. What role did the UN play in all this? What of gov’t funding? I heard most of these experts in agriculture have moved to America or become permanent UN personnel.
Agriculture is organized around small family farms. Efficiency requires minimal investments (seeds, irrigation, fertilizer, tools….) but even this small money disappears in the pockets of the corrupt.
Industrial farming is not the solution. Providing initial loans to boost productivity is. Organizing formers in powerful associations is.
Ah, yes. The numerous fake NGOs of Napoles comes to mind.
Aren’t there real and powerful farmers’ cooperatives there?
I invested on this.
I hope you guys can take a look at it.
http://farmon.ph/
Here is non-U.P. 1stworld journalist report news.
1. They vet the alleged facts
2. They interview both protagonists
3. Then publish
Here is U.P. 3rdworld journalist report news
1. They bet alleged facts makes money
2. They interview one side today
3. Interview the otherside tomorrow
4. The other responds today
5. The otherside respondos tomorrow
6. The newspapers are made into one whole comic strips where there is no ending only the beginning
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U.P.-educated 3rdworld bureaucrats
1. They tell the clueless media the gossips
2. Media publish. See above for loopy-loop
3. No evidence. Just witnesses and affidavits
4. Witnesses have witnesses no evidence
5. Witnesses issue affidavits
6. Affidavits published in the papers
7. Affidavits read by the other side
8. Other side issue affidavits
9. Publish their own affidavits
10. Affidavit war ensues
11. Philippine Media makes money
12. Filipinos clueless as forever
Judicial affidavits are now done to replace the usual questions and answers at court trials. The court and the other parties are furnished copies of this judicial affidavit so they can prepare in advance for the cross examination of the witness who executed these judicial affidavits. In court trials, judicial affidavits are not the only evidences offered. Various evidences are presented, marked and accepted in the hearings.
I am becoming sick and tired of your rants against affidavits, articles after articles, you keep on insisting that they are wrong. Are you a lawyer, a member of the Supreme Court in the first world you are now living in?
i don’t see any affidavits in media… at least those that are being used in lawsuits still being tried, I think that is a violation of the sub judice rule.
You are sick and tired of U.P. 3rd world journalist report , no not only them, you are sick and tired of us Filipinos, we are the worst creation if words against us that you post here and in other blogs and newspapers you hate are to be believed, well, do you think it’s time for you to erase us from your 1st world existence? Concentrate on the excellent race that you belong to now and don’t mind us Filipinos. We are only causing you to be angry and you say you have anger management problem. Do yourself a favor and forget about us. We will manage here without you and your negative rants and demeaning remarks.
I might have to repeat:
The Germans say: “Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht” or humor is when you laugh anyhow. For some it takes time to appreciate MRP (when he has no verbal diarrhea)
Try to laugh and then think why you are upset at the same time. It helped me a lot.
The Philippines has an addiction for affidavits. I needed an notarized affidavit to proof that I was me. I with my new EU passport with all administrative and bio data and an abbreviated 4e first name issued by special trained civil servants, me with my old EU passport with a the same data issued by the same civil servants, but with a fully spelled 4e first name.
I find it hard to laugh when he continues to dish out demeaning remarks to us Filipinos.
I do have a sense of humor, I even laugh at myself, imperfect as I am, but I am hurt when he pollutes most social media comments section with the same messages, making fun of us. No, not funny at all.
I agree that not all MRP interventions are equally tactful, just skip them. But sometimes he touches sour part that need attention and healing. Jesters can call things that we cannot.
Yep, true….The Philippines has an addiction for affidavits. I am often called upon to assist staff members who want to apply for a Pag-ibig, SSS or other loans and could not have them processed because our HRD misspelled parts of their name or surname. I had to prepare a an affidavit of discrepancy. (See, I’m also the unofficial corporate lawyer, joke)
Affidavit of loss, affidavit of support (for minors who wish to travel) special power of attorney, affidavit of no income… etc, etc… I can understand that because sensitive documents like title need to be released to the rightful owner, that’s fine for in this day and age when even identities can be stolen, we all have to be extra cautious and we can certainly appreciate the government for being strict as well as careful.
I should be offended but as can be seen in a lot of my previous comments I fucking hate the media in the Philippines, people who should know better specially.
Has it every occurred to anyone that Philippines is a vast wasteland? Here are examples:
1. You can pee anywhere in the Philippines except in places where there is a posted sign: “HUWAG UMIHI DITO, DOON”
In 1stWorld countries, we only have designated places to pee with signage “TOILET” “COMFORT ROOM” “RESTROOM”
2. You can throw garbage anywhere in the Philippines except in places where there is a sign posted: “HUWAG MAGTAPON NG BASURA, DITO, DOON”
In 1stWorld countries, we do not have the luxury to throw our trashes anywhere except in designated places “CANS HERE” “RECYCLEABLES HERE” “CIGARETTE BUTTS HERE”
In 1stWorld country, police are to prevent pickpocketers and snatchers. In the Philippines it is your obligation to prevent it. An example in every station of the cross in Basilica del Sto. Nino in Cebu City, “BEWARE OF PICKPOCKETS” INSIDE THE CHURCH, DUDE ! Inside the church!
What’s your solutions, Mariano? Define a problem and offer solutions, that’s the point to this open discussion. Otherwise you’re cluttering the thread. Define a problem or post a problem, as we’ve all done above and offer solutions. Let’s keep this simple, and manageable, so the thread doesn’t get cluttered.
As Marines in Pendleton and San Diego we pee’d pretty much everywhere when drunk and threw trash everywhere. I’m not proud of it, but the point is that human behaviour is similar all around. We have pick pockets here too, our barracks are full of thieves. I’ve visited other 1st World nations, they do the same. Only difference is the ratio of unwanted behaviour to wanted behaviour–but it’s the same behaviour all throughout the world.
Just because some can hide it better than others doesn’t mean it’s not there. Stay the course offer solutions.
“In 1stWorld countries, we only have…..”
“In 1stWorld countries, we do not have…..” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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Good for you, Manoy! I’m just wondering why do you waste your time talking about the Philippines when obviously you are enjoying a good life in the “1st world”?
I don’t see any sense in what you say except to brag that you are a lucky guy from the Philippines who by twists of fate ended up in the “1st world”. I wonder if, like other Filipinos whose intelligence, talent and skills brought them in other countries, you went from 3rd world to 1st world because of the same reason or a family member just petitioned you.
Lastly, as a reminder, even 1st world is not immune to people we call “utak-bibe” or what they call it there simply as nuts. 👷
I went to the former colonizer, USA, to surrender and apply for re-colonization so they can run my life like heaven than by Filipinos like Philippines.
I am just an ordinary guy who can plainly see what is wrong with the News and the people behind it but not gifted with intelligence to offer solutions.
“I went to the former colonizer, USA, to surrender and apply for re-colonization so they can run my life like heaven…” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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Well, obviously the US really made your life like “heaven”. But I have doubts as to whether it made you a better person. In fact, knowing your own self, the ‘like heaven’ life you enjoy only heightens the insecurities in you.
Just look at the posts you put up here, it doesn’t have a center. No balance in terms of logic and reason and no sense with regard to purpose. It’s all about bragging and noises about nothing really. You think you’re putting down your former country by saying all those things but the impression you’re giving is a person with poor image of himself. It could be the effect of the act of surrendering to a former colonizer.
In fairness, there are Filipinos now living abroad who suffers the same disease you have the exact name of which escapes me at the moment. 👨
Mariano, let’s be partner for a better Philippines. You state the problem, and we’ll brainstorm for its solution. Please try to write the problem in a more tactful way to avoid ruffled feathers and we’ll try our darndest to solve it.
I know you love Filipinos and the Philippines or you will not be here. Reserve your “kutya” style for the Inquirer crowd. You do not have to use it here, we “get” you.
Mariano, let’s be partner for a better Philippines. You state the problem, and we’ll brainstorm for its solution.
I know you love Filipinos and the Philippines or you will not be here.
Reserve your “kutya” style for the Inquirer crowd. You do not have to use it here, we “get” you. – Juana Filipinas
If Filipinos wanted to be respected, FILIPINOS HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY AND ONLY MY WAY, THE AMERICAN WAY. – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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Classic, just classic! 🙂 🙂 🙂
I see the behavior MRP is manifesting in some Filipinos here in the US, jameboy. It is a defense mechanism. Kinukutya nila ang mga naiwang Filipino at ang Pilipinas dahil hindi nila naiindintihan kung bakit hindi mabilis and asenso ng kabuhayan sa Pilipinas. Madami ang nagmamahal sa ating mga kababayan at sa ating bansa pero frustrated lang sila kaya nagiging mga nega. Sa akin, para maging lalung proresibo ang Pilipinas, meron mga factors na kailangan pang asikasuhin ng mga mamamayan at ng gobyerno. Dito sa Amerika, yung mga mechanisms para sa pag-asenso ng buhay ng indibiduwal, marami ang available. Sa Pilipinas, limited ang oportunidad pero unti-unti nang tinutugunan ng mga mamamayan at ng pamahalaan and mga kinakailangang factors para sa kasaganaan. The country and its citizenry are rising.
People who have been around here for a while know that there is wisdom in MRP’s rants. He is easily redirected when he crosses the line. A lot of people here do not take offense to most of his diatribes because he often make a lot sense if one has to analyze his seemingly self indulgent ramblings. He makes us think and sometimes saves us from complacency.
Defense mechanism for what and why?
‘Yun na nga ang masama, nasa Amerika ka na pero and style mo (not you) bulok pa rin. Bakit kailangang mangutya? Nangungutya ka kasi hindi mo naiintindihan kung bakit mabagal ang asenso sa Pinas? Hindi ba dapat unawa ang iniisip natin para maintindihan ang katotohanan? Hindi dahil ‘frustrated’ ka mangungutya ka na. Hindi masamang mangutya kung ito ay patungkol do’n sa mga malalaking tao na abusado, garapal, magnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan, mga gawaing hindi mabuti. Pero para lahatin mo ang mga Pilipino tapos binubuhat mo pa ang sarili mong bangko para patunayang ikaw ang magaling at ang Amerika ang mahusay at hindi ang Pinas/Pinoy ay isang kahunghangan.
Si MRP, parang ibong tarat sa likod ng kalabaw. Masyadong maingay kasi hindi gaya nating mga sisiw, mas mainam ang lagay niya kasi “overlooking” ang view sa itaas. Nega, tama ka, at ‘yan ay epekto ng over-the-back-of-the-carabao mentality. Maraming kababayan natin sa abroad/Amerika ang may ganyang nakakadiring mentalidad. Mayabang. Mapang-lait. Hambog at parang probinsiyanong naka-punta sa Maynila at pagbalik sa probinsiya akala mo kung sino na. Feeling niya mas malaki at mas mataas pa siya sa kalabaw.
You see “wisdom” in MRP’s rant I see hate and ignorance and garbage. Proof? According to you he needs to be ‘redirected’. Isn’t that a giveaway? Isn’t it embarrassing explaining and defending someone that requires to be redirected just to make sense? He cannot argue sensibly so you have to do it for him. He cannot be objective so you have to interpret him. He should be the one talking and defending his nonsense statements instead of you. I agree he really makes you think and you don’t have a choice because you have to explain him after redirecting him.
You do not take offense with the ridicule and insult? MRP must be doing something good to you. He must have found your weak spot. All I can say is, good luck. 🎭
This goes for you as well, jameboy.
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
~ Voltaire
Freedom of speech. Open mindedness. Compassion. And lot more GOOD reasons to listen to someone who may have a different view than you.
We both do not know who MRP really is so walang personalan. Kinutya mo rin ako sa last paragraph mo, huh?
Juana,
I thought you agree with MRP that is why you went the length to interpret and explain the “wisdom” in his statements?
You don’t need to quote Voltaire, nobody’s preventing anyone here to say what one what to say.
Kinutya kita like the pangungutya ni MRP? Please. You can say I resorted to sarcasm in disagreeing with you pero hindi kita kinutya if that’s your understanding of it. Anyway, if I hurt your feelings, accept my apology. ✌
@jameboy
Apology accepted.
If you read your past comments, jameboy, you will see that there’s not much difference between you and MRP. You both use sarcasm when you are passionate about issues being discussed. You also both want a better Philippines for Filipinos.
Please focus on what we all have in common and the reason why we are drawn to Joe’s blog: We love Filipinos and the Philippines. Let’s all refrain from the divisive mindset. We need all the unity we can muster to fight for what our countrymen and country deserve.
When you accuse you show proof. Like what I did in your post. Show a post of mine showing proof that we are the same. You admitted MRP resort to kutya and you see “wisdom” in it. Fine, just don’t involve me in your admiration with his kutya style. Unlike him, I don’t talk to my self. I engage, present opposite ideas/opinion and I rough it up with the rest if necessary. By that I mean I discuss, debate, argue and apologize if needed.
Not all here loves Filipinos or Pinas. That’s an illusion. I’m shock that you don’t realize that. MRP has been saying all those insulting, condescending and disparaging words against the country and people. And you say we all love the Pinoys and Pinas?
MRP, based on his posts, which you conveniently ignore, loves himself, period. Look, you keep on defending and explaining him for almost two days now. Did you even hear/read even one sentence from him about the issue and “wisdom” you see in what he said? Or even come to your side to justify and defend your admitration for him? Nada.
You are already a captive audience, Juana. Nothing in what you’re going to say about MRP will surprise me. I suggest you stop talking for him. It’s not really a pretty sight. MRP can speak for himself in the way he knows how. Don’t baby sit him. The fact that you see wisdom in what he says only proves he’s superior than you or those who agrees with him.
If you are sincere in calling for unity and focus you’re not going to vouch for somebody who keeps on saying divisive and insulting statements that you yourself admit is “pangungutya”.
Go ahead swoon over MRP. For me, I’ll just go back on the issue. 👦
@jameboy
Let us end the discussion here. We obviously do not see eye to eye.
May peace be with you.
VELOSO SPARED !!! Thank you Benigno Aquino !!!
Malaysia should understand Benigno Aquino got the flak when Filipinos hunted down Marwan so Malaysia can live in peace !!!!!
Thank you!!! Thank you very much!!! NO THANKS TO THE INQUIRER !!! NO THANKS TO THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA !!!
INCREDIBLE INVESTIGATION! Only in the Philippines!
1. All investigations in the Philippines turns to confession and admission. Why?
2. Veloso spared after Recruiter surrendered. Actually, she walked into NBI and said “kill me, I am the recruiter”
3. Could the woman who walked in is a stand-in for the Real Recruiter? Nobody would just walk in and admit.
4. Since Philippine investigations turns to confession and admission, SENATE WAS THINKING IF THEY PUT SOMEONE AT THE HOT SEAT, THEY’D CONFESS. So far Tiu is not confessing.
Compiled and condensed Funny News that you may have missed in cacophony of misinformations:
1. Senator Trillanes asked Tiu to bring TCT of BinayLand instead of HIM demanding Register of Deeds a copy of TCT of BinayLand. When Tiu presented Trillanes the TCT not in his name nor in his patron’s name, Trillanes was mad.
a. WHAT TRILLANES WANTED WAS FOR TIU TO PRODUCE TCT IN HIS NAME or IN HIS PATRON’S NAME THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS IN REGISTER OF DEEDS. HE IS A SENATOR FOR CHRISSAKE !
2. Senator Trillanes went to BinayLand to verify if it is owned by Binay and Tiu
a. Senator Trillanes is saying he went to BinayLand because all of the properties in the Philippines should have a sign that says “KEEP OUT. PROPERTY OWNED BY BINAY” sign. OUTRAGEOUS. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. Inquirer is silent. Because they are party to this comic-drama.
3. TeaMilk deaths. NOBODY CAN KNOW WHAT CHEMICAL THAT WAS. Instead they asked the son of the dead owner what they placed in the TeaMilk. Huh?
a. It must have been an unknown chemical. A newfound Chemical because it is not registered in Periodic Table. The coroner cannot know. They sent it to U.P. for further analysis, they cannot know. Instead, they asked the son of the dead owner what they dropped in the TeaMilk. AWESOME BRILLIANCE. EFFICIENT.
The son of the TeaMilk owner should receive a Nobel Prize in Science for discovering and concocting a new found Chemical that U.P. scientists cannot know and analyze.
Here is what cannot be read from Philippine Media about Floyd-Manny fight. This is from the big boys of sports in Forbes Magazine not from kindergartner U.P. graduate Philippine Media.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2015/04/28/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-why-are-people-rooting-for-mayweather-to-win/
Some friends on FB scandalized by Inquirer’s banner headline “Death came before dawn”. Too bad Joe is missing it.
Yeah, “Death came before dawn”.. for the eight others, the ninth, our very own MJV was spared at the last minute… if the Inquirer meant MJV’s death, their deadline to run the printing press came before news of the stay of her execution. It happens.
They had a kicker line, “The nation was praying for a miracle to save her”, and they had her photo above. So they clearly wanted people to make the connections.
And there’s a responsible way to get around the deadline problem when you’re anticipating something big will happen after. The last time something similar occurred was when a Chicago paper headlined that Dewey defeated Truman before the official announcement that Truman won.
Straight from the hose’s mouth:
Sevilla: No lobbying, just discussions with execs
MANILA, Philippines – There were only “discussions,” but no lobbying by Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa Jr. and Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima and two other officials for the transfer of an official of the Bureau of Customs, resigned Customs commissioner John Sevilla said yesterday.
“I am deeply saddened by the emergence of a number of erroneous and misleading reports regarding my resignation from the Bureau of Customs,” Sevilla said in a statement.
“No one at any point lobbied me to appoint attorney Teddy Raval as director of the Enforcement and Security Service (ESS),” he said.
But he admitted he had discussions about Raval’s potential reassignment or appointment to various positions at the BOC with Ochoa, Purisima, deputy executive secretary Teofilo Pilando and finance undersecretary for revenue operations and legal affairs Carlo Carag “at various points starting in late 2013 and through 2014.”
“I was initially told that the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) was pushing for his reassignment to the Intelligence Division,” he added.
Sevilla said he had no confirmation that the INC was pushing for Raval’s appointment, as no one from the INC ever contacted him directly.
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“I did not reassign attorney Raval to the Intelligence Division, or any other areas within the Bureau of Customs. The officials mentioned… fully respect this,” he said.
Interviewed on CNN Philippines, Sevilla mentioned Ochoa, Purisima, Pilando and Carag as the ones who were pushing for the transfer of Raval.
Personal decision
Contrary to speculations, Sevilla said it was also his own decision to leave the BOC. “I was not fired,” he said.
“No one, not Executive Secretary Ochoa, not Secretary Purisima, nor anyone else pressured me at any point to resign from the bureau,” he said.
He said Ochoa and Purisima even urged him to remain at Customs.
“As I stated during the press conference I held on Thursday, April 24, I resigned as I disagreed with the prospective appointment of attorney Raval as director of the ESS and believed that it would be better for Customs to be led by someone who could better navigate a more political environment than me, while continuing structural reforms,” he said.
Support for Lina
Sevilla said he is hoping newly appointed Customs chief Alberto Lina would have the support of Customs stakeholders, and make the BOC efficient, effective and free of corruption and politics.
“Commissioner Lina and Secretary Purisima will have my support and any help they may need from me,” he said.
No milking cow
Sevilla also denied allegations that he was being asked to make the BOC a milking cow of the ruling Liberal Party (LP).
United Nationalist Alliance (UNA) interim president and Navotas City Rep. Tobias Tiangco had said Sevilla was pressured by the LP to to raise P3 billion to be used by the party in the 2016 elections.
“No person or political party ever, at any point, asked me to raise funds, or use Customs to raise funds,” Sevilla said.
No comment
Malacañang refused to comment on Sevilla’s statement.
“I wouldn’t be able to answer that question considering that this is a statement from Sunny Sevilla himself,” presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said.
“I cannot provide you any other speculation, theory or conjecture as to his present statement… I wouldn’t hazard to put words into Sunny’s mouth. All I can refer you is the statements he just issued,” he said during yesterday’s press briefing.
Purisima also declined to comment, pointing instead to the statement of Sevilla. “Com. Sunny issued a statement today. Why don’t you refer to that,” he said in a text message to reporters.
Purisima is in Malaysia as part of President Aquino’s official delegation to 26th Association of Southeast Nations leaders’ summit. – With Delon Porcalla, Zinnia dela Peña, Christina Mendez
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/04/28/1448695/sevilla-no-lobbying-just-discussions-execs
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Thanks, Mary.
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So Sevilla talked to a lawyer and got scared?
Why would he be scared?
He did name people and INC without having written affidavits. Potential libel charges? (Physical treats are not uncommon in the Philippines neither)
joseph,
I can see if intimidation is towards the weak, powerless, poor people, but how does intimidation actually works when it comes to high powered individuals there? Do you have examples. This is for the article I’m writing, on lawyers there and ACLU.
Read “An Anarchy of Families” edited by Alfred McCoy for plenty of examples.
I don’t have explicit recent examples, First Gentlemen Arroyo suing everybody?
Thanks, joseph!
***the classic “three g’s”, guns, goons and gold, of Philippine politics with the contemporary “four c’s”—continuity, Chinese, criminality, and celebrity.***
The book’s not in the library, will look around in used book stores. In the mean time, do you have examples that cover the classic 3 g’s and the contemporary 4 c’s? I’m not too familiar with “continuity”, does this just mean old money, old families trying to be relevant at all costs?
The other 3 g’s and 3 c’s, I saw. In Mindanao, there was a group of former police who were running an extortion racket and taking over small mining claims. I’ve always wondered how much gold they actually found. But over all miners were a hoot.
Leverage = extortion, blackmail,bribery,omerta.
To condone or not to condone
AS A MATTER OF FACT By Sara Soliven De Guzman (The Philippine Star) | Updated April 27,
Excerpts that I find enlightening:
“Two weeks ago, Ombudsman Morales echoed the same sentiments saying: “Given the fact that our present constitution, the 1987 Constitution is very emphatic on the drive against corruption, it calls for honesty among public officials, it calls for public accountability, then that policy should motivate the revisiting of the condonation doctrine because there is no law, no constitution that allows such doctrine, it was just based on a policy so it is only the Supreme Court which can reverse or modify it.”
Senator Miriam Santiago in an interview said, “The first qualification for a public office should be honesty or integrity. It is wrong to equate the re-election of a public official to condonation of his past criminal offenses… The simple act of re-election alone cannot be taken to condone an elective official’s previous illegal acts since to do so would run counter to the State’s duty to maintain honesty and integrity in public office, and to keep officers accountable to the public. It also collides with the character of public office as a public trust.”
http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2015/04/27/1448310/condone-or-not-condone
…….because there is no law, no constitution that allows such doctrine, it was just based on a policy so it is only the Supreme Court which can reverse or modify it”
listen MRP, and listen well….
That PhilStar columnist must have been a big fan of mine. He wouldn’t have conjured a written opinion if he had not read about mine.
“When the people have elected a man to office, it must be assumed that they did this with knowledge of his life and character, and that they disregarded or forgave his faults or misconduct, if he had been guilty of any. It is not for the court, by reason of such faults or misconduct to practically overrule the will of the people” – SARA SOLIVEN
Since U.P.-graduates run Philippine Media did not inform the electors “of his life and character, and that they disregarded or forgave his faults or misconduct, if he had been guilty of any.”, THEREFORE, Sereno is right to strike down the Aguinaldo Principle BECAUSE THIS PRINICIPLE IS NOT ONLY USED BY THE BINAYS BUT ALSO USED BY THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA.
From my analysis, Filipinos are brilliant people. It is what they read from the Philippine Media that leads them astray. It is only in the Philippine Media the voters can know who they are electing to elected offices.
The readers vote what they have read about the candidates from the Philippine Media. THEREFORE, it is not the fault of the voters to elect Binay but the Philippine Media for not informing the electorates.
Philippine Media is where change should begin. For the voters to vote wisely and conscientously.
Philippine Media is afraid of blogsites. Because in blogsites is where the news are distilled, analyzed and autopsied better than in Philippine Media. Blogsites can do better because we are not conscious of our grammar and spelling. We are not afraid to be laughed at. They can even comment in their dialect. But in Philippine newspapers, English has to be impeccably perfect. Ts crossed. I’s dotted.
“the steady stream-of-consciousness, grammar-challenged, punctuation-deprived missives exposes English-challenged Filipinos shallow, self-centered, and vacuous.” I call this absolute ENGLISH SNOBBERY.
This time, I agree with you, MRP.
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Of course, whenever someone says I’m brilliant, who am I to disagree?
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hahaha… my vanity showing, right?
Actually, it’s his opinion of the Philippine media that I agree with. Maybe, just maybe, due to lack of time, the usually brilliant people swallow hook, line and sinker the slanted news and biased opinions being published / aired by our Philippine Media.
Stay safe Joe! Oh, and thanks for appointing me Chief of Media Ethics! I will be taking that job, VERY SERIOUSLY…
Anyway, on to the topic.
“The sad irony is that, as the Philippines rises to its highest standing in history, its President falls to his lowest popularity ever. What’s with that?”
Does anyone else think that there is a brilliant play going on here? I don’t know why, but I’m getting the feeling that strings are being pulled in increasingly obvious fashion in a desperate attempt at destroying everything the President has accomplished and wants to accomplish…
Those who are smarter than me, please do discuss…
We only have A single termer president, so bad propaganda can only affect the anointed one, so Andrew joked that Pnoy should anoint Binay so he will lose.
Hi. Ms Maude G….good morning.
Actually, I have commented on that earlier
I might add that those groups are surely trying their best to turn this president into a lame duck one so his endoresed candidate will not have any chance at all….politics being the name of the game, and the nation be damned, that’s how their mind work.
Gud eve Mary Grace P. G. Went shopping for frillies today. Sorry I missed your comment ’til now. You do get around, girl . . . tee hee. I only check in now and then because Joe only wanted me to keep an eye out for one guy in particular . . .Everyone else seems on good behavior, although that MRP fellow does get my bloomers in a bunch now and then. I know Joe likes the guy’s out of the box thinking, but I find its the same box half the time. Gotta go incognito now, under cover. Hush hush . . .
Ok, noted with thanks… Hush hush it will be….
😉 😉
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Is there a conspiracy? I don’t believe so. I think its a confluence of disparate elements that have more or less come together accidentally rather than intentionally from a super villain, like Dr. No, or a subversive organization, like SMERSH or SPECTRE.
Some of the elements would be:
o The media that encourages controversy
o The Binay camp trying to deflect the spotlight on the family
o Various politicians grandstanding without necessarily thinking long-term of the national welfare
o The presidential missteps (or what are seen to be missteps)
o A blogging community that natters negatively
o Columnists who are too narrow and partial in their opinions
o Nagging churches and unwise bishops
o The troubles with the Muslim south
o A poverty-stricken population that is too needy and too uncaring to educate or lift up itself
o Too much concentration by individuals on peripherals like modern gadgetry, basketball and pugilistic fights
Cha has listed some positives in parenting. There is economic growth. If someone could post positive initiatives in other areas mentioned above then perhaps we would arrive at a balanced picture and conclusively dispel the aura of conspiracy.
Does anyone else think that there is a brilliant play going on here? I don’t know why, but I’m getting the feeling that strings are being pulled in increasingly obvious fashion in a desperate attempt at destroying everything the President has accomplished and wants to accomplish…
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I don’t agree with the suspicion. The President made a series of wrongs steps and he deserved criticizms for it. He has all the opportunity to react and make a counter response to the criticisms to justify his decisions and weaken the other side but he chose not to do the right thing.
Let’s call spade a spade. Not all criticisms are meant to destroy the accomplishments of the President. And I don’t think anyone can destroy the concrete and solid accomplishments of the President without resorting to lies and fabrication. I give the President the kudos he deserved from the economy to the stability his leadership brought to governance and for being the leader that cannot be tagged as corrupt. All in all he passed with flying colors.
But that doesn’t mean we stop looking at the mistakes he has made for not doing so would just be kissing his ass. Criticisms hurt but it won’t kill the President nor his accomplishment destroyed. 👮
But we would like somebody to succeed him who will continue his economic programs and fight against corruption, to do that, we should not undermine his authority. Six years is not enough in order for us to have a lasting growth and corrupt free government.
Also, mindless nitpicking tend to encourage destabilization at the expense of our tourism industry and a level playing field for business and economy’s sakes.
I hope you understand where we are coming from.
PNoy’s authority can only be undermine if he will allow it. I don’t give credibility to destabilizers and nitpickers because they cannot destroy whatever the President has built and founded and spearheaded. That should be the mentality because that is the truth.
Giving credence to threat of destruction and ruin only strengthens and emboldens those who want to hurt the President and the people. According them some sense of objectivity by defending against their offensive approach,which unfortunately only gets to look legit by the President’s bungling ways, would only be giving them some sort of legitimacy.
I tell you, if I’m one of PNoy’s advisers, I would have been gone by now, if he’s that stupid, because unlike the ass-kissers around him, he will hear from me things he don’t want to hear not because I want to hurt him but because I want him to learn from it and not do what he thinks he wants to do but do what is the right thing to do. ☕
Industrial farming and commercial fishing are the killers of small farmers and fishers. Competition is supposed to be good.Maybe there is no fair play.Even microentrrpreneurs can not do well against Big business, small retailers can’t cut it against mall owners.
I offer no solution,but I do ask for suggestions.
Farming is seasonal. Harvesting, too! I’d say, we go kibbutz.
karl & joseph,
Here in the US, there is a movement called urban homesteading (or permaculture), where in young urbanites, many professional and/or college educated, are growing their own food.
Whether in apartments or homes (or renting houses), they are growing vegetables, fruit trees, catching rain, plumbing for grey water, raising chicken and rabbits for food, some with access to pools, convert those pools into fish ponds.
There’s been too many diseases here attributed to the corporate industrial food industry, that either result in cancer down the line or a quick death. So people, many scared, are now opting to grow their own food. Here’s an example: https://youtu.be/DGmS6Jv6L3U
And with this movement, a community of like minds develop and so trade and a market develops, with people specializing. But the important point is trust, people get to see where their food comes from, and know the people that grown them.
I think this early in the stage the Philippines can still prevent the complete industrialization of food. Your local Mom & Pop, food stall, is still a lot cheaper than say JollyBee or ChowKing. So you are not YET where we are here in the US. Not YET.
Another effective way to fight industrialization of food is to go vegetarian, maybe just eat meat 2 or 3 times a week. Read up on healthy plants, grow them yourself and opt out of the industrial food industry. This ties in to plastic and other trash below.
Google and watch FOOD Inc. and FRESH. Very good glimpse on where we stand here, and what’s coming there. When you guys go to the market to buy pork/fish and veggies/fruits and its dirty and loud, you guys should appreciate that compared to our clean groceries, where we don’t get to see the processing of food.
“I think this early in the stage the Philippines can still prevent the complete industrialization of food. Your local Mom & Pop, food stall, is still a lot cheaper than say JollyBee or ChowKing. So you are not YET where we are here in the US. Not YET.”
We’ve been there, actually as I have narrated in my previous anecdotes. Unfortunately, the youth today are being influenced by various ads on TV, or succumbs to peer pressure to eat in these fast food chains and the parents are too uncaring or uninformed that these kinds of foods are quite unhealthy.
In my time, we eat what is placed on the table and if we don’t care for them, the alternative is to go hungry.
We try to go vegetarian but as we did found out the saying “healthy foods taste like shit” to be somewhat true. Time to go back to growing our own vegies, eat them while fresh.. grow our own livestock and try fish culture in our makeshift backyard fishpond.
As for vegetarianism, I love Vietnamese, Thai, Korean and Japanese food for their healthy dishes. But Filipino food not so much, Filipino food has a tendency to be really greasy, even their soups.
So from the git go the Filipino culinary scene is already unhealthy, IMHO, when I was there I noticed the culinary culture wasn’t as sophisticated when compared to Vietnam or Thailand or Japan. Don’t get me wrong, it was good, but when speaking about taste and health, the Filipino culinary experience is still very Spanish and not Asian.
That will impact the success of a vegetarian culture there, vegetarianism is endemic to Asia, but somehow the Philippines missed out.
There was also an apologetic sense when Filipinos served us vegetables, they equated to economic status, I loved with when they served veggies, especially after eating pork almost every day–drink beer, you eat pork; some sort of celebration, a whole pig; more party, more pork again. It was endless.
Be unapologetic for veggies. Fresh vegetables straight from the yard is a luxury you can’t compare even to the best restaurants.
Haha… That’s why I declined an invitation for a family reunion / birthday celebration of a cousin who sponsored it, although I can take a leave from the office. Aside from the sweltering heat, the thought of eating pork the whole day was already making me nauseous and dizzy, but would probably partake of it to avoid offending the host. Anyway, we already had a Christmas reunion last December and I was the lone sponsor.
I stayed in the air conditioned office the whole day, and I enjoyed my home cooked boiled vegies and fish.
Vertical farming,indoor farming, vacant lot farming can happen and is happening.
http://www.verticalfarm.com/
karl, Mary,
Do you have examples of permaculture, vertical farming, indoor farming in the Philippines, in big cities like Manila, Cebu, etc.?
When I was there most guys I met knew how to butcher a pig, chicken, goat, and how to prepare seafood with just vinegar. Most Americans just put food (not knowing if it is in fact food, mostly it’s just hydrogenated, corn syrup, that shouldn’t be fit for human consumption) they just put food in their mouths, not knowing the supply chain, process, chemicals it went thru.
So I think an ad campaign whether to ridicule, inform or scare, or something more subtle like a Nudge, I think that would have impact there still, just make it American looking, Filipinos love American stuff, they are already primed–just focus on this part of current American culture and away from consumerism.
@ LCpl_X
Sorry, no idea at all being stuck here at the office, most of the time monitoring compliance on BIR deadlines which are never ending.
My scant idea came from my parents some years ago and from stories they are recounting before my college days and our migration to the city. Been reading up a little on FB links re indoor gardening, and now vertical farming considering that what we have is just around 800 sqm lot recently purchased from a cousin.
The one we inherited from our maternal grandparents are planted with mahogany trees.
there are proposals. in congress, housebill 720 is a bill institutionalizing urban agriculture.
Proponent In Senate is Lito Lapid, sbn 2095 for 16th congress
AN ACT PROMOTING THE USE OF URBAN AGRICULTURE AND VERTICAL FARMING IN THE COUNTRY’S METROPOLITAN AREAS TO ADDRESS FOOD SECURITY CONCERN AND REGENERATE ECOSYSTEM FUNCTIONS AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS THEREFOR
So if you can convince the demand to grow their own food, then you can as easily convince them to patronize small farmers and fishermen.
Here’s FOOD Inc. https://youtu.be/5eKYyD14d_0
Here’s FRESH https://youtu.be/KwR44T69_Is
Small retailers can group themselves together and secure even a relatively small area within the mall to continue their trade. If they can’t lick ’em, join ’em. Consumers do prefer the air-conditioned malls than the small and humid stores.
Question on segregation of garbage, does it work on tall buildings,hospitals….does it work at all,the garbage truck has no dividers,they end up mixed up again. Any suggestions?
I didn’t see that coming! Good observation. We separate the recycleables from others and when they come around to pick-up the trash, they mix them up in one huge garbage compactor. Isn’t that weird?
In my country, Waste Management Company, makes money out of recyclables. We have cities that outlawed shopping-cart pushers trolling for recycleables because they are competing with Waste Management.
Waste Management does not dump their trash wantonly. They go to several steps. It is dump in a hanger-like warehouse where employees sort out further that can be recycled.
Of course, if there is nothing to recycle at Payatas, where will those dumpster-diving hungry children get their next meal?
Thanks MRP, here the karitons still go door to door in some areas to sell to junk shops.Others go to the garbage dumps.Some steal manholes,copper wires ,railroad tracks all to be exported to China.
I wated to comment in tea milk, why would we be scared to buy food and beverage from stores if we are not scared of street food like squid balls,isaw,betamax,quekwuek sago gulaman,ice snow cone,taho,etc.
We see people survive from leftovers from Mickey D, then be scared of milk tea????
“In my country…….” – Mariano R. P.
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Yes, tell us more about the riot and lootings in Baltimore. The rampant graft and corruption and stupid leaders that you occasionally put in office. The regular killings of African-American in the hands of the police force. Don’t forget also to narrate to us how one of your presidents got his blow job service right there in your White House. Of course, I will expect you to also tell the stories of the growing number of homeless people and homelessness in “your country”. What else? Yes, the domestic terrorists in your midst that from time to time show its ugly head to jolt you and remind you that you are not perfect.
You see, “your country” is really not different from other countries regarding social problems and political corruption and twisted morality. Bragging about “your country” is an immature act. It’s shameful and very condescending.
Lastly, it’s maybe “your country” where you are a second class citizen. Your are a Pinoy pony masquerading as an American stallion. Manoy, kahit ano pa ang sabihin mo, hindi ka pupuwede sa Kentucky derby.
Pang-karitela ka lang. And I’m being honest and truthful about it. 👷
One thing about homelessness here that you’ll never see is that picture of kids eating rice in the streets with their mother. Children, families with children, get priority with resources.
As for homelessness in general, most homeless actually have beds in shelters for them. They opt not to because of the crime inside these shelters, or they don’t like rules prefer to stay outside. But the resource is there, and some shelters are better than others. That’s a totally different story from not having resources at all.
And for Blacks killed by police officers, the statistics (along with general homicide rates in the nation) is actually on the decline than on the rise.
So much of this coverage is a result of social media, ie. more people with videos, once posted people get a skewed sense of trends. The bigger issue though is over-militarization of the police.
Not so much the killings (which, except for 2 videos I’ve seen, have been all justified, or at least satisfactorily explained), but what worries me when I watch the footage of Baltimore (I was a big fan of HBO’s “the Wire”) are all the military vehicles and equipment they have.
But the thing about riots and America is that this is normal here, from the Tea Party to the gangs of NYC in the 1850s to now. A society that doesn’t riot is actually more problematic and symptomatic of greater societal fear.
When was the last time the Philippines, either Cebu or Manila, or other bigger cities, rioted?
“A society that doesn’t riot is actually more problematic and symptomatic of greater societal fear.”
Greater societal fear, for me, is preferable to violent riot. No, that is something we don’t want happening here, even it is normal in the US.
We would like to believe that we resolve our political and social issues by peaceful demonstrations much like our people power revolutions. Riots belong to violent people or, the groups advocating violence, like the left leaning groups, the coup artists, NPA and BFF rebels.
er, even if it is normal in the US… now I know , eating boiled corn while typing is not advisable…
But, Mary, you guys already have violence as part of your society’s fabric there.
I remember seeing an accident (already happened) where the driver and his assistant were severely beaten having caused the accident. Burglars and thieves, I’ve seen mobs beat them to a pulp. I’ve seen rumbles involving knives and bbq sticks. So the violence is there.
Societal fear is this. I was walking thru a tiny street in a big city there with a Filipino colleague and out of nowhere, a nice looking car, tinted windows, obviously drunk, barrels down the street almost hitting us. I was just about to throw a bottle at the car, when my friend stopped me,
and told me that this was so-and-so’s son. My reaction was who cares, he almost hit us–not the most well thought out reaction I admit. But it was this sense that because the driver was so-and-so’s sone, hence he gets away with driving like an imbecile. Kinda like Saddam Hussein’s two idiot sons.
So I’m equating the lack of violent riots there to fear. You guys accept violence like rumbles, but violence directed towards power and powerful individuals is a big NO. The issue isn’t so much resolution thru peace, but where violence is accepted in Philippine society.
That’s societal fear.
When was the last time the Philippines, either Cebu or Manila, or other bigger cities, rioted?
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If you think those People Power series that changed leadership are not a riots and just an outing, I don’t blame you. But hey, it did make changes (not necessarily for the better) compared to the noises and whining and destructions in Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.
Lastly,the lootings and burnings from a country we looked up as our betters is just terrible.
I wonder what Manoy can say to that as a defense for a perfect colonizer. 🙂
jameboy,
Every riot results in some sort of adjustment. For example, in Ferguson a pattern of disproportionate policing towards Blacks by a 95% White police force was uncovered. The Justice Dept. stepped in. In Baltimore, that city is black majority, so is their police department. I have a feeling what will get uncovered is local gov’t corruption by local Black politicians, complicit in overall city affairs.
LA riots and the riots in Seattle, resulted in better crowd control tactics, hence less protests gone awry in the West Coast lately, if you notice in the news. Also from the LA riots, there is more collaboration between Black leaders and the police, and this was replicated up and down the West Coast. So there are verifiable results from these riots.
I agree with you that violence isn’t the best way to express all this, but my point is that it’s in America’s DNA from the beginning, people here are generally suspicious of the gov’t and any time they sense tyranny, they will take to the streets, it’s always been done like this.
No matter how violent, there is a trajectory of progress. My only criticism is that people don’t riot for more abstract (unseen) problems like Monsanto’s tampering with food source, like oil companies fracking, etc. This was what the Seattle riots were all about, but there’s less of these types of riots. Which I think affects more people.
And I have to disagree with you on the People Power “outings”, from my estimation you guys have just exchanged certain personalities with other similar personalities, there isn’t real institutional changes. There’s a big difference between govts based on people and govts based on institutions. This is where the whole concept of societal fear plays a big role.
p.s.~ as for your disagreement with MRP, I agree with you, but absent of a moderator here we have to manage clutter and direct comments (no matter how asinine) into actionable solutions or at least fruitful discussions since that’s the spirit of Joe’s last article.
So I agree with you, I just want this thread to be without clutter. So whatever he posts, convert it to something productive. Focus on the big picture here.
So whatever he posts, convert it to something productive. Focus on the big picture here.
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If that is the only option you have on those garbage, go ahead, ‘convert’ the garbage into something productive. Just a reminder, those garbage are intended to insult and not to engage in serious and formal discussion.
I’m here not to baby-sit or explain for someone whose intention is to degrade and ridicule others he sees as inferior to him.
You like his style you think there is something relevant and sensible there, good for you. Me, I’ll just opt to take a nap. 🚶
A wise decision.
Please tell me more about fracking….I thought it was a good method of extracting oil and that it made the US self sufficient in oil…does it damage the environment?
Take it easy, jameboy… ang puso mo…
Mary G.P.G.,
Lol! Good thing I’m not obese! 😉
Don’t worry about me I’m fine. What we should worry about is the garbage-in, garbage-out information that gets to see the light of day on this blog and even converts some nice people as believers on something lame as “US and me are perfect, Pinoys and all of them are nothing” style of conversation.
The thought send shivers down my spine. 🚑
USA! USA! USA! 😎
That’s the defense and I understand it. I too, like the US but unlike Manoy I will never use her to put down another country much less mine.
I’m not into crassness, guys. ⛔
In our subdivision, there are days assigned for garbage collection – Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays are for biodegradable garbage, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays are for non biodegradable. Sundays are for e-wastes.
We are not supposed to take our garbage until the collecting trucks are already in our respective streets mindful of stray dogs and squatters who mindlessly scatter them all over the area.
Our subdivision is relatively garbage free as we strictly follow the rules, but the public streets are another matter, scattered trash are clogging the drainage system and causing the endless floods in their area.
Plastic waste in esteros,our waters,every where. recycling them to furniture can only go as far.We need incineration,plastic to fuel,waste to energy.
Is there a technology to extract gold,etc. From e-waste? We could be rich ftom the trash.
karl,
Here in the U.S. estuaries and inlets have become protected land, either at the local, state or federal level (National Seashores under the National Parks Service). Back in the 60s and 70s these rivers and estuaries were where as polluted (maybe more, because of toxicity not just from garbage).
Is there an EPA or other local govt equivalents that protect public lands there? And how effective are they, or can they be bought just as easily as other govt agencies there?
As for plastic, I saw these two documentaries recently, Addicted to Plastic and Plastic Paradise, https://youtu.be/KLKNpcXq7RY and https://youtu.be/tZnw-d_Axy8 . The best would be to stop plastic all together, so again education is important. Maybe get oncologists over there involved in these campaigns with videos and pictures of cancer patients.
* rivers and estuaries were as polluted (maybe more…
It’s always difficult when choosing between convenience and the environment. I used to smoke 2 packs a day, I stopped. I stopped because cigarettes became too expensive, because of state taxes designed and justified as off-set to govt costs from health care resulting from smoking–so, that’s where the gov’t can make a difference.
Also, because of a serious marketing campaign to both inform, ridicule and scare smokers and non-smokers alike, it’s become socially unacceptable. The cool-ness factor went out the window and replaced with public outcry. Check this video out: https://youtu.be/6UsHHOCH4q8
So when it comes to environmental concerns, as exampled by anti-tobacco, environmental protection here in the US, you can in fact curb social behaviour. Tax bad behaviour, both de jure and de facto.
And there are more subtle but powerful ways to influence our brain, playing to instincts is stronger than playing to reason. Ask the marketers (but not Joe, he is on holyday). Nudging is one of refined ways to influence our decision making. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_theory)
This Nudge Theory concept looks handy!
Here’s a better link, I found: http://www.businessballs.com/nudge-theory.htm
yep, as they say, may pera sa basura.
Discipline, discipline… where art thou in the squatter’s area?
The squatters are polluting the water tributaries which in turn cause floods, they will be rescued by the government, to be fed, attend to their medical needs in various evacuation centers.
They are voters being babied by politicians at the expense of taxes paid by the middlemen, as the rich know how to evade paying them. Employed middlemen have their taxes deducted already so they have no choice.
Los Angeles Area Filipino scammers par excellance:
Read it here: http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bakery-embezzlement-20150428-story.html#page=2
From my analysis, Filipinos are brilliant people. It is what they read from the Philippine Media that leads them astray. It is only in the Philippine Media the voters can know who they are electing to elected offices.
Philippine Media is where change should begin. For the voters to vote wisely and conscientously. – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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So, it’s all media’s fault. Erap should not have been convicted nor Gloria arrested. Napoles should not have been charged nor Corona removed. Jinggoy, Enrile and Bong should be allowed to walk and work back in the Senate. The MILF should be embraced and the BBL approved because, you see, nothing’s wrong with us.
The 44 PNP-SAF? They were killed by the media. Forget about them.
Let’s all kill all the journalists and media people because it’s all their fault. Like what Manoy is saying it’s media’s fault. The present and the future of this country depends on what the media does. Corruption? No such thing. Let’s investigate media instead.
Pres. Aquino is a dummy. He’s nothing. His almost six years in service as president is chicken shit. You know why? The media is the key. Without media this country is nothing.
Chicken shit. Yes. And surprise, somebody tasted it and actually like it. 😎
“A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.” James Madison
“No experiment can be more interesting than that we are now trying, and which we trust will end in establishing the fact, that man may be governed by reason and truth. Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues to truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is the freedom of the press. It is, therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions.” Thomas Jefferson
I’m with MRP here. He’s not faulting the press for being the press. He’s faulting them for not doing what they are supposed to be doing.
But in fairness to the press in the Philippines, there is much to fear. The principle has already been outlined above by the originals that started this experiment. Fear is another problem all together, BUT the
point is that the press is derelict, period. Everyone should be able to agree on that. Here’s the purpose simplified further…
“Some lawyers in defending their clients, (for the generality of lawyers, like Swiss soldiers, will fight on either side,) have often given their opinion of what they defined the liberty of the press to be. One said it was this, another said it was that, and so on, according to the case they were pleading. Now these men ought to have known that the term liberty of the press arose from a FACT, the abolition of the office of Imprimateur, and that opinion has nothing to do in the case. The term refers to the fact of printing free from prior restraint, and not at all to the matter printed, whether good or bad. The public at large or in case of prosecution, a jury of the county–will be the judges of the matter.” Thomas Paine http://www.uark.edu/depts/comminfo/cambridge/tpliberty.html
I don’t agree with somebody who looks upon everybody as inferior to him. Why? Manoy is a fool to speak that his life is “like heaven” than the Filipinos. And that was so because he “surrendered” with the former colonizer!
That’s like saying he is better than us because has lots of money for prostituting himself! And you’re with him on that? Fine.
I based what I said on what I read here and what I’m reading with Manoy was, irrespective of the issues or reason or logic, Filipinos will get nothing in this world because their country, his country of birth, is not perfect compared to his adopted country and former colonizer, the USA.
That is the bottom line of every single post he put up here. I’m just calling spade a spade. if one wants an honest to goodness conversation I think one should start with being formal, honest, objective and fair. I’m not one to cheery-pick and pick a “pagpag” in a file of garbage and pronounce it kosher just to have a discussion. Nope, sir.
He chose to have a one-way conversation by just speaking and listening to him self with those I-praise-my-life-like-heaven statement, hence, a one-way conversation it will be.
Now, on your statement that you formulated based on what you read from Manoy, let me comment on it.
“BUT the point is that the press is derelict, period. Everyone should be able to agree on that.”
Nope, sorry. That is NOT the point and I do not agree on that defensive statement. You are skipping the true story. The point is, just like everybody else, the press or media has its own fault. For one to say that it’s all media’s fault would be practically immunizing the rest for what ails the government. The press/media has done its part in so far as an instrument of good and transparent governance the Aquino administration has espoused since day one. That’s the real story and that is what we ALL SHOULD agree on.
Nobody was saying the media is to blame when Pres. Aquino was hugging the headlines and his popularity was soaring. Even the Binay’s nor Gloria’s camp were never heard casting and heaping blame against the media for PNoy’s enormous popularity and public support.
But the moment when they pointed out, through the Emperor-has-no-clothes theory, the President’s actions based on the wrong steps that led to erosion of his popularity they started to get all the blame.
Nice. 😎
Factual reporting as opposed to slanted news reporting is what we desire from our mainstream media. I’d rather form my own opinion from events as they happen, thank you. If we want other’s opinion we go to their editorials and columnist which is ok, we have the choice on who to believe and to ignore.
Reports on the shenanigans of Napoles in connivance with the Senator plunderers were factual, supported by COA’s report – those were excellent.
What we do not want, as Joe has pointed out in his previous blog articles, are slants and opinions presented as “news” which are influencing the readers and viewers opinions.
There’s a whole lot of difference.
Factual reporting as opposed to slanted news reporting is what we desire from our mainstream media. I’d rather form my own opinion from events as they happen, thank you.
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But factual on whose or what standard?
Was it factual because the news said what you want to read/hear? Was it slanted because it disappointed your biased expectation? That’s the problem. Factual based on your opinion of events? That’s another problem especially when you lean on your own prejudice or preconception in understanding what you read.
Media and news reporting cannot be just a one-way thing because there are a lot of them. Obviously, not every one of them will slant and lie about a story. You choose what you like, believe and trust on and read them. But just because you read a story from a source and not like the report you will blame the whole industry already?
That’s practically throwing out the baby with the bath water. Not good. 😦
OK, jameboy, I’ll posit you this question, what publication there, in your estimation, epitomizes the ideal of objectivity and diligence in the press? One that doesn’t provide a mouth piece for this and that party or person, but just reports the news.
Here although there’s a market also for bleacher-thinking news (yaay!!! for us, booo!! for them), like MSNBC and FOX News, there are plenty of news source that cater to objectivity and diligence, Financial Times and the Economist are widely available, public libraries all have them.
Foreign Affairs and Washington Quarterly gets in depth. So here the press holds itself to higher standards, so which publications over there, match these standards?
I noticed the way Filipinos consume news was akin to telenovelas, they didn’t express bigger concepts, they viewed the news more or less as sources for gossip. The way Filipinos talked about the news was gossipy in nature. So the demand for better news is directly related. A more discerning readership equals better news sources.
Instead of asking self-serving questions you lay the predicates why you think Philippine press sucks. Your question asks for perfection. I can tell you this or that publication does its work and publish the news as they are and you will still criticize it because you are looking for something to criticize no matter what.
Those who complains about media/press should be saying the reason/s why they’re complaining. As for me, I read the news and discern and determine for myself if there are doubts to the veracity of what’s being reported. Otherwise, I just read them for updates and info. I don’t rely on media to spoon-feed me the truth. It’s fine of I get the facts or non-facts or whatever. In this time and age there are a lot of means to confirm, verify, etc. info you think needs validation. If there are patterns of inconsistencies with certain publication, you switch, there are other outlets of info including those in the internet.
Bottom line, I just don’t buy the idea of blaming the media for biases or slants because there is nothing out there that is pure white and lie-proof. If there is corruption, abuses or undue preference on the part of media, let’s call it, but we cannot just throw everything at them because we do not like what they report about certain individuals.
And we have laws to address any media or press abuses aside from the existence of government-owned and operated media outlets to counter balance the mainstream media outputs.
Your opinion about the Filipino consumption of news like telenovelas or gossip is way out of line and contradictory. Obviously, you have no idea of how some news are presented in this part of the world in various ways. Although I do not blame you on that I just wonder why you seem to be not familiar with the kinds of news presentation when you too have lots of scandal sheets, gossip channels, etc. there. 👀
Not perfection, but simple due diligence. And quality of reporting.
Can you confirm and verify news regarding corruption and criminal activities, unless youre privy to this, thru contacts or from work, I doubt your claim. For example in Ms. Veloso’s case you think the press will uncover much? How far do you think they’ll go, until they say, ooops that’s too far.
Don’t blame the media for everything, that’s not what I’m saying, but hold them to a higher standard.
As for media over here, you’re right, but if you tally up the sensational, gossip media against respectable media, there will be more of the last than the sensational.
I’ll grant you that I had a small sample size, I wasn’t among the brightest or most-educated,
but from my perspective, most Filipinos ( I came across ) have a certain way of reading the news (telenovelas) and a certain way of processing the news (gossip), not all too discerning.
The last point we can disagree, since we’re basing our points on personal perspectives, but the point about demanding more from your media should be understood–hence my confusion as to your stance here, jameboy, are you not for a better media?
When it comes to the press, there’s always room for improvement, always.
The quality of reporting is just like everywhere else. There’s good and the not so good. But I really don’t pay too much attention on the presentation of the news. All I care for is the news, the information, the updates, the events, etc., the works.
Ms. Veloso’s case is a done deal. We’re just lucky that PNoy was able to convince the Indonesian leader to give us a chance and more time to prove Ms. Veloso don’t deserve to be executed. The media has been very accommodating in the effort to create noises about it and have been very active in elaborating and repeating over and over again the events and facts that led to Ms. Veloso’s capture and conviction. I cannot ask for more about media’s coverage of the case.
Am I not for better media? Who don’t want something better? However, ‘better media’ is not an immediate concern for me because there are more important matters that we should be talking about instead of suspicion about media.
To put it more bluntly, I choose the papers I read, the news that I watch and the program that I listened to. If I see something wrong, I just switch channels or read other papers and compare them and then make my own conclusion/decision.
I do that because I’m aware that I simply cannot rely on media to always tell me the truth or get accurate facts every time. Yellow journalism is a fact of life. I wish media is perfect but it isn’t. One day I might complain against media but for now I don’t see anything that merits even a wimp of a complain against media. 📝
I see, priorities will differ. But as those quotes I posted above from our American Founding Fathers explain–and like it or not the Philippines is formed in the image of America–the press plays a crucial, a crucial, part in Democracy.
I can appreciate that more discerning news consumers such as yourself can access a variety of news sources, many non-Filipino for quality, but my point about Ms. Veloso is on in-depth, investigative journalism to give us more info on the supply chain of the drug group Ms. Veloso was caught up in.
The human interest story is great for telenovelas, but hard nose, gum shoe, investigative reporting, something no non-Filipino news source can pursue, is something Philippine journalists should aspire to, there’s way too much human interest stories with all the crying and praying, and other none sense.
@ jameboy…
Obviously, you did not get my point. Does a fact and an event have to have anybody’s standard?… Something happened, period, you report what, when, where ,who…but you don’t have to add ..why because in doing so you are presenting your own opinion as “news”.
You said you read, and if you don’t believe what you read, you move on to the another source which you find more credible…but most readers do not have your ability to discern what is slanted news and that’s what we are saying…people are influenced by the this kind of news reporting. Others just glance at headlines (like MRP) and then go ahead and rant based on the headline without reading the whole story, and even the rest of the news story contain the reporters’ opinion on that particular news item.
I repeat, if a reporter wants to offer his opinion, write it in the opinion column, don’t present your opinion as “news”. – that’s a slanted news, and misleading at that.
I do glance at the headlines, like all Filipino telenovelas, they have the same body of news: Battle of Witnesses, Battle of Affidavits, tit-for-tat, news not vetted, journalists did not interview the other side
But in Joe’s case, I have to read it thru-and-thru from start-to-finish.
Philippine news is predictable. It is all he-said-she-said no evidence necessary. I am just wondering why Filipinos fall for it. Why can’t they ask Philippine Media for evidence before they publish it.
If there is no evidence, it is just mere innuendoes, intrigue and gossips.
Of course I don’t mind interviews done on news sites…that’s a different matter. What I object to is when a reporter inserts his own take on the news being reported as what is being done lately by inquirer and most of the time, by Noli de Castro and Ted Failon.
Mary,
Yes, there has to be standard. That is the reason why you are complaining of slant or adding opinion in the news. It’s not up to standard. The only question is whose standard? Okay, let’s say it’s the standard of professionalism or code of ethics or what have you. That is completely possible because those are the guides for people to abide with in their pursuit of their profession. However, it is not enough basis for a complaint of not doing the job right. You have to have proof that there is clear abuse or malice or machinations or intent to injure or hurt the public by the way the news was presented.
News must be straightforward, I agree, but times have changed and we have to accept that. Nowadays, there are news within a news. Why so? Because there is too much information; too much sources and too much people knowing too much information. You can still get straightforward reporting of news if you want to because that is the standard that is still practiced up to now. Something happened and it was reported, then the news reporter will move on to the next news. We still see that kind of presenting news.
I think most people who are after information do what I do. Get the information. Agree or disagree or ignore with what the reporter think what the news is. Most readers have the capability to discern the question is, with their own biases and prejudices, will they be able to control themselves not to inject such bias and prejudice in what they read. If they can, like me, they will most likely get the basic facts and ignore the rest. That’s what we’re after, to be updated with the happenings around us.
But if they agree or disagree, they’ll most probably argue and complain or justify the opinion of the reporter.
Bottom line, we have a free press. If you (not actually you) are the kind that gets influenced easily, it’s your lookout. Only you can protect your self against the deluge of information that comes your way. But that is not to say that media is immune to responsibility. Of course, if there is proof of shenanigans and wrongdoings they have to be taken to account and hold liable for such violation. 👮
I repeat, information of a certain event or happening, the bare facts sans any reporter’s take on it.
I’m also not talking about it’s effect on myself but on some of our countrymen who have no time or inclination to search and verify the slant on a certain news item like what you and me are doing to the extent that they are eadily influenced – it’s precisely my point. I cannot say, fine, it’s their own lookout, i care too much just to leave it at that. People easily inflluenced make wrong decisions, exactly what evil minded people would like to happen, hence this slanted way of publishing news or airing them in TV Patrol…aimed at projecting their preferred candidates….We cannot expect everyone to be as intelligent as you…unworthy politicians get elected courtesy of the masa uninformed, easily influenced voters. Dig?
I understand your concern but I don’t think we have to assume that those slanted news gets to influenced people to make dumb decision. “Caring too much” simply won’t fly because it would only actually dumb down people aside from showing distrust in their capability to discern and relate to issues around them.
Unworthy politicians do not get elected because people are uninformed. I don’t buy it. They get elected because they either cheat or popular or both.
Contrary to popular beliefs, our electorate knows what they’re doing. They are not uninformed. They may have been influenced, which happens everywhere, but they know what they do.
Mary, why don’t you just identify those you think are guilty of wrongdoing and focus on them. Are you not doing that because you think you don’t have a case? Media is not perfect but we simply cannot condemn all the media people for the faults of some. 👲
The way TV Patrol reported PNoy’s instruction to Roxas to be careful and not tell everything to the media re Mamapasano intel. The reporter stopped at the point “everything to the media” without completing the phrase. That was what I call slanted news reporting, either by withholding words that will completely change what the president is saying, and then implying that he is not being honest with his bosses…or adding his own take on the report he is airing. We all know that every chief executive has confidential intel which he cannot divulge to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Please review JoeAm’s blog article on rappler wherein he ably demonstrated how a reporter’ own opinion on a certain item which was presented as news. This ipad is still new to me, I can’t search another website using another tab, so I find it dificult to make a specific reporter’s name, i’m writing from memory, but I know you get my drift, you are not dense, or don’t you notice some news items in the inquirer which contained the slanted news?
Anyway, we are talking in full circles here with you defending the media’s right of free expression, and me saying go ahead, express it to their heart’s content but do it in the opinion column or in a blog, just don’t present them as news. IT’s as simple as that.
Let’s just say you have your own idea on this matter, if you’re not conviced with mine as I’m not with yours, let’s leave it at that, as it is, the bone is completely gnawed so to speak.
I’m not defending media I just don’t agree with the notion that media should be blame for the faults of a few. Now that you identified the source of your complaint the discussion now will veer away from the media as a whole and focus on the actual culprits.
I cannot comment on the PNoy-Roxas news for I did not see it. All I can comment on is your obvious repulsion against slanted reporting. And you feel that way because the personalities involved in the ‘slanted’ news happens to be close to your heart, meaning, you are pro rather than an anti PNoy. Alright, I get it.
You could have said it at the outset instead of making general statements against media. Anyway, like I said if you think TV Patrol is out to get PNoy with those slanted news don’t watch it. Switch to other channels.
And in case the pro-Binay will complain against media for the same reason in not treating their idols rights, I’ll also say the same: don’t patronize those who hurts you.
Go watch or read those that you trust will give you the right news and information. 📝
There it is again, that hateful labeling….For the nth time, I’m for stabilty and progress, am quite protective of what gains this administration, (and for that matter, any administration) has in the economic front, as well as the ant-corruption efforts and want it to continue beyond PNOY’s term I so hate labels, it is so divisive. And to think I did not even vote for this President. I voted for someone else.
I don’t watch TV Patrol any more but I have to read the news and the inquirer and rappler and sometimes philstar, as compared to tribune, and others, are a little bit acceptable. Where else can I get the NEWS and be updated with current EVENTS? And taliking about inquirer, I am quite aghast at its penchant to include Doronilla’s column in the front page among the headlines…..grrrrr! As i have mentioned before, my eyes are automatically speed reading, so my morning igood humor is gone with wind in those instances.
Hateful labeling? Let’s be honest you don’t need to attack the media to protect whatever it is you are protecting. TV Patrol can never do damage to the gains of this administration by slanting news. It doran’t matter if you are pro or anti. What matters is the issue you are raising. 🗿
Awwwwrrr….you do contradict yourself. You say:
All I can comment on is your obvious repulsion against slanted reporting. And you feel that way because the personalities involved in the ‘slanted’ news happens to be close to your heart, meaning, you are pro rather than an anti PNoy. Alright, I get it.
You labeled me pro Pnoy because I find slanted news repulsive, and when I clarified where I stand, then you go ahead and say it does not matter whether I’m pro or anti….my head is whirling trying to understand you.
You keep saying there has to be a standard in news reporting and asks whose standard, mine, yours, or whoever. I counter what has standard to do with reporting an event…it happened, it occured, report it as truthfully as possible without INSERTING YOUR OWN OPINION and presenting it as NEWS.
I need NEWS, not the reporters’ opinion of them…that is slanted news, editorialized news, opinionated news.
In any case, I did say I find inquirer’s well researched report on Napoles’ shenanigans with the connivance and partipation of the now detained and alleged plunderers as well as their coverage on Corona’s impeachment trial and the media’s expose of Erap’s corruption which are factual, supported by pictures and COA reports. I find the investigative reports of Marites Vitug and before her, Eugene Apostol of the Mr. and Ms fame. Those I can appreciate, but not today’s new breed of reporters who submit day to day news that are slanted. How they progress, or should i say degress into that style now beats me, must be because election is just around the corner. Politics as usual.
This will be my last post on this matter of my repulsion to slanted news. I think I have said enough, if you are not convinced, then so be it. This discussion has dragged long enough and I see end of it the way you twist every argument I make.
Er, I see NO end
I think you are not being honest in the discussion by not even covering your tracks of where you’re coming from and worse implying that you are not taking sides when the truth is that you do. It’s very clear in all your posts that you don’t like certain personalities/sources slanting their news against the President. I’m just calling you out not to blame the whole industry for the fault of some. Are you going to deny that?
What’s wrong in calling you a pro-PNoy? I am called pro-PNoy a number of times and I don’t take offense. I don’t see it as labeling me because I happened to be pro-PNoy in most cases. And even of I’m not it’s not about labeling it’s about what you are saying and how you defend it if challenged. You used the word “label” as if there is something sinister or evil in being in pro or in favor of something or someone. You can be a pro or anti for all I care just don’t resort to condemning the whole industry for the mistakes of some of its members.
Why not be honest and defend what you think is right? Don’t beat around the bush and hide behind the people, the uninformed voters, the gains of this administration, etc. Mary, you are not angry because of those, you are angry because some slant their news against the President. AND YOU ARE PERFECTLY ALRIGHT IN SAYING THAT. All I did was to disagree with you and say that NOT ALL media, as you insinuated, are guilty of what you are alleging. Actually, to show that my view about blaming everything to the media must apply to all, pro or against, I even mentioned the pro-Binay camp.
You need news and not opinion or slanted news? Change channels or get another paper. Better still get the news and ignore the opinion or slanted view. Is that hard to do?
Lastly, you don’t have to convince me, that’ not the issue nor the labeling, you just have to be honest for nothing is wrong in being truthful. 🌜
No longer on the slanted news issue… so now I am a liar as well as dishonest…. weeeeelllll… thank you very much.
Mary there’s no point in quarreling and I’m not quarreling with you. I merely disagree with your generalization against media. In fact, I believe and you proved it, that not all media are guilty by identifying those whom you think are guilty of wrongdoing.
But you brought up the “hateful labeling” just because I said you are pro-PNoy. I don’t know what is hateful in supporting a popular leader. And ‘hateful labeling’ is like, for example, I called you ‘Mary the mother of insincerity’ or ‘Mary A Nazi Coddler Lady’ or words that meant to demean your person. Saying you are pro or anti (political party) is not hateful labeling. It’s a fact and if in case I was wrong you can say I’m wrong or guessing but surely I’m not doing a ‘hateful labeling’.
Now, here’s another issue again about lying. Not being honest does not automatically mean you are lying. Lying is making up or inventing stories. Not being honest is denying or not admitting a fact. Those are two different things and I think you are not being honest about your true feelings on your reason against the issue of slanting news. I only mentioned about being honest because you seem to be embarrass to be known as a supporter of the President. Why deny it? Nothing’s wrong with it and your apparent act of defending the President is proper. Why don’t you want to admit it? Why not be honest about it? That’s merely my point.
We’re still with the slanted news issue, only thing was we established where you’re coming from, which is a non-issue, and why I think we should not be blaming the media for the wrongs of a few of its members.
Since you identified the target of your complaint, which is what I suggested that you do, the issue is now moot. You can now criticize those culprits who did the slanting and you’ll never hear from me again on that issue.✌
Talking about food, how many here have seen those Americans with biiiiiiiiiig and faaaat assess!?
Yeah, the food there and the style of eating, preparation, etc. maybe incomparable and the Philippines maybe a million mile down there when it comes to that but, hey, I’ve never seen so many fat and obese people walking around drooling for more food.
Terrible, just terrible! 😦
Obesity is the result of ignorance about one’s food source. Children with diabetes, or infant diabetes, mostly due to high fructose corn syrup, is at epidemic levels. Here’s a good informative video: https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
There’s obesity there too, but limited to the rich. In time, if the Philippines decides to opt for the corporate industrialized food idea, which is already fast becoming the norm there, then there will be more issues with diabetes especially among children.
The truth of the American obesity problem is that more and more children are dying from diabetes, heart disease and other ailments related to unhealthy “food”.
The irony is the majority of those who suffer from obesity are poor people, who’d rather buy $1 burger, than prepare veggies and fruits a lot more expensive than that burger. Counter-intuitively, the problem is also economic.
And we have those fat and obese people , too, here if we are honest. And talking about being honest, let’s face it, we are truly a nation of pork eaters, whether we admit it or not… Acknowledging our own weakness is one step towards correcting it.
that is, except our muslim brothers, hehe
I remember the times when we were still in our province. A majority of us will raise a pig each, months before fiesta day. We simultaneously butchered them and then from the 100 kilo pork, out come pork adobo, pork menudo, pork higado, pork estupado, pork kilawin, pork tocino, pork longanisa, pork mitsado, pork dinuguan, pork pochero, pork kaldereta, pork lechon kawali, pork crispy pata, (there are more, the names escape me at the moment.)…then we lined them up in the buffet table and waited for arriving guests to enjoy the feast, the irony there is that we were poor the rest of the year.
I liked it best when during the rest of the year we were back to eating our home grown veggies and fresh fish peddled by our neighboring lake shore barrio. (Except when a pig had to be butchered again when I graduated top of the class….mediocre public schools lang naman – humor me there, guys.) I miss this fish – tawilis and biya the latter ginataan in coconut milk kakang gata.
When we became born again Christian, we stopped participating in fiestas.
I left out the all time favorite – pork embutido…hehe
Liempo wala ?
That, too and of course, pork barbecue….yum says my tongue and palate, aaargh says my CVD, a genetically predisposed anomaly on my mother’s side.
So much for not being crass, jameboy.
“From my analysis, Filipinos are brilliant people.” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
If Filipinos wanted to be respected, FILIPINOS HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY AND ONLY MY WAY, THE AMERICAN WAY. – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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In spite of those foolish statements you were able to get the nod of some people here. Very strange, indeed! 🙀
IMO, reading people by how they write is many times dicey. Hence a history of correspondence with a specific person helps.
I’m with you on that. 🙂
I think he gets his high by goading us, thinking he is an intellectual provocateur..see, the more some of us complain, the more arrogant, insulting and reputitive he becomes with his favorite topics – affidavits, the UP media, the Filipino ignorance and his being the only one who got brain, the last his provocative conclusion.
“From my analysis, Filipinos are brilliant people.” – Mariano Renato Pacifico..
I THINK I AM THE ONLY ONE LEFT IN THE PHILIPPINES WHO GOT BRAIN TO THINK – Mariano Renato Pacifico
….oh my goodness,,, such contradiction
F. Scott Fitzgerald was a notoriously bad speller. In fact, he was such a bad speller that he addressed his good friend Ernest Hemingway in letters as “Earnest Hemminway.” And speaking of Ernest Hemingway, he was famous for bad spelling also. Jane Austen, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Leonardo da Vinci – they were all godawful with spelling and grammar, yet I don’t consider them inferior. Those English Nazis have notoriously low intellect that it makes them think they got IQ by showing their English snobbery.
Here is how arrogant the U.P.-graduate journalists are: (Yes, Virginia, I do read Entertainment on top of reading Inquirer which is entertaining enough)
“The stream-of-consciousness, grammar-challenged, punctuation-deprived missives exposed GP as shallow, self-centered, and vacuous. Thing is, drumbeaters have packaged GP as smart and articulate.
GP frequently murders both English and Filipino languages in public and in private. GP’s political opinions are laughable at best.”
NEVER, EVER MURDER ENGLISH LANGUAGE !!! Because English Language to Filipinos is measure of intellect.
alam ko symbolic lang ang anti UP mo as source of media practioners,senators,communists,socialists. kahit medyo totoo nga madami sa nabanggit sa UP nang galing pero parang mnemonic device na eh.Media = UP
senators = UP.
ano nga ba ang gusto ko sabihin? basta ganyan ang napuna ko
I am a huge fan of Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmern. They talk and interview English-challenged people on the streets from different countries on location. These people struggle. Yes, they do not have perfect English. Yes, they can be understood. Yes, the producers did not edit syntax errors. Fastforward 16,000 miles to the Philippines … what do we see?
Those they interview are not to speak English if they mangle English grammar. It is either English or Tagalog. Why? Why this English-snobbery? Why this addiction to perfection of English?
I AM NOT ASHAMED TO POST WITH SYNTAX ERRORS. I AM NOT ASHAMED OF MY SPELLING. I do not draft my comments. I type. I hit SUBMIT! Never looked back. Well, what do I have to look back when there is no EDIT functionality. 🙂
magaling ka magspell at mahusay english mo. ako, di ko gusto palpak spelling,syntax and grammar ko pero hindi ako takot magkamali, medyo sa tingin ko dapat bawasan error,pero kung magkamali, so what?
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As JoeAm keeps emphasizing it is not the grammatical quality of the expressed thought that counts but the rational and emotive quality.
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@ edgar
this late in life, I realize where many things belong and fit. During my English language learning years, my teachers heavily rewarded compliance with the rules of orthography, many times to the detriment of comprehension and effectivity of communication. I take to following rules of orthography easier than most and so rewards (grades) reinforced the form rather than the facility and manipulation of logic and concepts. Thus I got less exercised in literary criticism than in literary orthography. I admire those who can handle the former well.
sonny,
I had to Google ‘orthography’, I’ve never heard of this word. I know typography.
Americans for sure are bad spellers and bad at grammar. And if you read Thomas Jefferson’s or other Founding Fathers works, they were as careless with spelling and grammar. Just goes to show that ideas are the point.
I guess with that we can segue to teacher quality and training, especially with the new Senior High for 2015.
While I was there I noticed there were Filipinos who spoke fluent English, almost American (like they were born here) and then the majority had no working knowledge, comprehension was good, both written and speaking were horrendous.
Why wasn’t English kept up there? Instead it was left to atrophy. From what I gathered it was during Marcos that English as the intellectual (academic) language was replaced with Tagalog.
I went the dictionary route, LCpl_X. I’ve since used the word as short-cut for correct-grammar, spelling, rules of style (the Chicago school), etc. I wasn’t yet comfortable with Google.
I could only guess about the atrophy. There was a steady decline in the quality of teacher training and consequent pedagogy suffered as well among other things. There was no single cause for this – Very painful to speculate.
What I know of atrophy is the loss of muscle mass from disuse, hahaha…completely disoriented, yours truly is….come to think of it, even the Lance corporal, an American speaking the language, has to google orthography…lol
Mary, I went to San Beda for my elem & high school. The Spanish Benedictines through Alemar’s and Goodwill bookstores imported our grammar and literature textbooks printed in the US Midwest as I recall. The period was between 1953 and 1959. Our competition in the public schools were from Mapa High and Torres High. (There were 2 others for the City of Manila). The public schools cost much less to go through then. The Philippine Science High School was only a gleam in someone’s eye also then. 🙂
To those foodies out there … If anyone Youtube “Vietnam Cuisine” or “Burmese Cuisine” or any cuisine at all in Asia, you’ll see Youtubers with funny serious videos of their cuisine and their country ….BUT… if you do “Philippine Cuisinie” or “Filipino Cuisine” or just type your locality you want to view, ALL WE GET ARE coming from either Philippine Tourism which is bland and self-serving or from ABS-CBN that are crappy and Filipinos which are mostly “BUGAL-BUGAL”. Nothing serious. WHY?
Can’t believe Inquirer dedicated their spread to Manny Pacquiao boxing event. They even sent a dedicated staff to pull snippets of news from TMZ and ESPN. Only those snippets that is good for Manny Pacquiao.
ABCNews, CBSNews, Wall Street, Chicago Tribune, New York Times, WashingtonPost ETCETERA ddo not dedicate coverage of MAYWEATHER EVENT despite Americans are 3-to-1 for Mayweather !!!
See what I’ve been telling you folks? It is the News Media that is mediocritizing the Filipinos. They even squabble over taking credits of Veloso’s Stay of Execution. They also grab credits of Americans with drop of Filipino blood that suceed in my country despite we were the ones that educated them and gave them safe environment to promote education.
When I was in the Philippines schooled in exclusive school, my parents were instructed in their PTA meeting not to let us children watch tagalog channels. Instead they recommended that our househelp must have their own television so they can watch love-triangle rags-to-riches tagalog walang-wakasan, walang-katapusan movies.
Change the Philippine Media, we change the Filipinos
Improve the Philippine Media, so does Filipinos
Philippine Media been playing the minds of the Filipinos for the longest time.
Philippine Media pits Filipinos against Filipinos.
It is time to say “ENOUGH ALREADY”
I don’t mind that, Pacquiao is putiing our country in the world map, just like our succesful beauty contenders, winners of talent searches on music and other sports do. So he bought a magnificent mansion in the US, fine, hope he enjoys the fruit of his intense training and actual grueling fight, I pray for him. I also hope that he invest more here in our country to support our economy further. Most of his tax already go to the US, our country gets only a portion (the balance of our tax rate less what’s already paid there.)
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So our tax rate is higher than the US? The 1% are having it good.
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I think our maximum tax rate for individuals is 32%. The US has it at 30%. We get the 2% .
How I wish this fight of the century is held here, think about the 32% in net income tax from ticket sales, pay per view revenues, the tourists who will come here..ummm…thay could have done wonders to our GDP, our economy…Ms. Kim Henares would have attained her DOF mandated quota….sigh!
We have not touched on Federalism. If the BBL is put to a plebiscite and accepted, I think the next step would be to propose federalism. After that those who support parliamentary unicameral form will follow, this may all happen post 2016,unless someone will say no pcos or automation,then no elections.
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The Mayuga report reported the role of the military during elections, Was 2010 any different? was the military not used by overlords during 2010? We got Pinoy,but some Ampatuans and other dynasties were still elected.
Are the military controlled by the dynasties, are they private armies?
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Presidential: Mar Roxas, Binay, Grace Poe, Lacson, Duterte
VP: Escudero, Trillanes,????
Is it true that the taipans are already funding Poe?
Was it true that they funded Lacson, but GMA still won,And FPJ almost won, because Lacson did not spend the campaign money from the billionaires??? I heard about it, it was not taken as a big deal. I won’t blame media, chismoso ako eh.
My take is the billionaires are not unanimous, and now there are many of them, before it was only Danding,The Ayalas,Lucio Tan. Now the Sys,Gokongweis,Gotianums,Razon,Villar,etc
Each candidate can have a Billionaire backer
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On billionaire backing and vested interests: The more reason for public funding of elections as proposed by @inquirercet.
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yes, election needs public funding. the billionaires can spend on education,infrastructure,technology,even agriculture and fisheries,but hands off on elections, and campaign spending rules must be strictly enforced.
A truly bright idea. Alas! Billionaires support candidates to further their business interests. The INC is a big disappointment, with their block voting tradition, a magnet to aspiring politicians who aspire to be elected in exchange of promises of juicy government appointments. This religious group made possible the election to office the likes of Estradas and the rest of the not so desirable government officials we have now.
I think someone here or Joe needs to write about Duterte, the dark horse in the upcoming presidential elections. It scares me that a hot-headed guy rumored to have links to the NPA and having killing squads is wanted by many to become president of the Philippines. In fact, his supporters actually cite his iron fist as why he should be president, and his accomplishments as Davao Mayor. Personally, I agree with some of his points (such as more development is needed in Visayas and Mindanao), and I think that having a president from Mindanao would help end that area’s underdevelopment, but I don’t think Duterte is the right man. He is capable, but with his attitude and connections, I fear that he would be just as terrifying as Binay as a president.
As for the recent news on Mary Jane Veloso, it’s funny how Migrante and other militant groups seem to act that, no matter what happened to her (whether she would be executed or not), President Aquino would take the blame. Come on Migrante, don’t you know that the OFW czar is Jejomar Binay? If she was executed, arguably Binay should have taken the blame (Aquino too, if only due to the principle of command responsibility, but only criticizing Aquino while leaving Binay off the hook is disgraceful). Also, remember that Filipino drug mules were executed before in China? I don’t think I ever recall Migrante rallying for those cases. Funny how these militants are watching Aquino’s every move and know his every misstep, but are a lot more reluctant to act on Binay or China (remember their recent rally against China due to the Spratlys issue? It really looked half-hearted, as if they only rallied to appease people). I have a disturbing anecdote: I recently spoke to some militants. They were extremely knowledgeable about Aquino issues (such as Mamasapano), the Laude murder case, the DAP, etc., and yet, the two militants I talked to (who, from the way they spoke, even citing Joma Sison’s three basic problems of imperialism, feudalism, and bureaucrat capitalism, were already deeply indoctrinated with radical ideas) had apparently never even heard of the BSP-Alphaland Deal or Binay’s Mount Makiling Resort issue!
Dear Joe America,
I am writing you to simply put things in perspective, lest we Filipinos think we are such awful people and be forever down on ourselves.
You see, quite a few of us readily listen to just about any warm body with a white skin. We’ve been brainwashed to be that way. And you very well know this. That is why you call yourself “Joe America” to cleverly take advantage of this, for what better name is there that projects power and white supremacy than the names “Joe” and “America”. Joe America all in one breath is an awesome double whammy.
The first and only article I have read of yours ever was your most recent one on Filipino journalism. You were right in many ways.
Still, who are you really, Joe America? You unfortunately hide behind a nom de plume mask which by definition is not true nor transparent. Meanwhile, you accuse Filipino journalists and media and for their alleged trash and untruths.
First of all, if I may, a true crusader must be courageous. He must not cover himself or herself with a cape or hide under his mother’s skirt with an alias. So what is your real name, Joe America? If we want this from Ibrahim Iqbal, why not from you?
The pic you posted, which you seem to be claiming to be you, actually looks like that of an old Union Army officer during the Civil War whose name now escapes me.
By the way, that very un-civil Civil War continues to rage to this very day in America because of its own systemic and endemic problems.
I was just discussing with a friend the other day about Rush Limbaugh, whose program was dropped by, of all stations, an Indiana-based company. I said that despite that setback, Limbaugh will last and continue to rock and resonate with his fans, for sadly, hate and bigotry sell extremely well in America. I said that hate and bigotry are in fact a well-honed American industry in so many levels. It is deep, widespread and oh-so all-encompassing.
The affliction starts from institutions like that corrupt plutocratic group of endless-wars profiteeers that is the military-industrial-financial complex and their owned mouthpiece, the media and its own hacks.
Then they have their loyal ground supporters, the Republican Party and its own storm troopers in the Tea Party, the nutty Christian fundamentalists, the viscerally racist and brutal, if not murderous and criminal police and all the way down to the grassroots level of ragtag groups of neo-Nazis, KuKluxKlaners, racists, religious and sexual bigots, skinheads, nativists and rednecks.
It is their collective singular hate for the Other that sustains these conservatives which eventually will consume them and, unfortunately, all of America. Which, by the way, likes to think of and bills itself to the world as a liberal, democratic and egalitarian society.
In fact, unfortunately, greed, poverty and gaping wealth and income inequality reign in America. America’s Gini income and wealth inequality indices are even higher than those of the Philippines.
Despite its modernity America is actually feudal. It has a monopolistic media controlled by just three big corporations. It is also burdened with financially and morally bankrupting illegitimate wars which were totally based on lies that in the last couple decades alone have taken at least 3 million of mostly innocent civilian Muslim lives. We all know too well those cruel wars continue to rage to this very day.
These wars remind me of those medieval monarchs and lords of yore going to Araby to personally fight the infidels for the treasures of the east. They were marketed as the Crusades for “God and Country”. Today, the elected leaders and the rich do not do the fighting. They have even farmed that out to the hapless poor whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians who couldn’t get a job or afford college and therefore had to “volunteer” to die kill and die for the rich man’s wars.
The wars’ barbaric killings are of course hardly covered by the oligarchy-owned American media which is guilty in its complicity with its jingoistic war drum beatings, its continued support and the cover-ups of the body bags coming home and the horrific death counts of the Muslim innocents. If you ask me, the wars are crimes against humanity. And this blackout of news in America’s living rooms and a non-conscripted armed forces are the main reasons the wars continue to rage and expand with total impunity.
You can smugly accuse Filipinos of corruption, having a “damaged culture”, the “sick man of Asia”, etc. But for all our imperfections, Filipinos have committed nothing of this sort of injustices and atrocities brought about by America’s nonpareil culture of war and violence, greed, and racism.
We never crossed oceans to invade, subjugate, colonize and exploit other people. We did not genocide a native population nor import another to enslave them. If you ask me, those are the worst corruptions on earth or anywhere.
Filipino journalists for all their human faults are still among the freest in the world unlike American journalists with the State Dept., corporate money and power and foreign political action groups behind their backs and pulling the strings.
America has these huge, huge grave anti-democratic problems that need to be addressed and solved. Does this not call for a true American hero who stands for Truth, Justice and America? Or is that just in the comics?
Meanwhile, and I don’t want to sound accusatory. But, you, Joe America, from your comfortable bully pulpit behind a seductive “Joe America”-branded curtain pontificate in your booming voice here in the welcoming warmth of our tropical climes and friendly folks while being purposely oblivious of America’s own frailties and foibles, moral and financial corruptions, soviet-style spying of Americans, perpetual wars, endless violence and incurable dyed-in-the-wool racism.
In short, the mote in the Filipino’s eye you see, Joe America, but not the plank sticking out of America’s own eye.
As they say, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”, but I am not saying that at all.
You have many things to say that are certainly worth heeding for a better Philippines, if not a better world. I am just wondering why you don’t try to solve America’s problems back in the states instead to make a better America. You are indeed very much needed there with your ideas and way with words. Why, you’d really and truly be the Great Bwana Joe America, Hero, that I see you very much want to be!
Now, let me take on your challenge point by point below.
The sad irony is that, as the Philippines rises to its highest standing in history, its President falls to his lowest popularity ever. What’s with that?
# It is no different with American reaction to President Obama. His poll ratings are down despite his staving off the financial apocalypse staring at America when he took office, the current low unemployment rate, the record stock prices, the well-accepted affordable health care, etc. These are great accomplishments. #
We look within and see the argument and corruption surrounding us as Filipinos work diligently to undermine their own well-being. We see:
Rebels of no persuasive ideology killing and extorting to impose their view.
# Certainly decades-long rebellions by the NPA and the various Muslim groups prove that their respective ideologies must be persuasive to sustain their wars this long.
Their continuous supply of new recruits is not due to the killings and the imposition of their views on others, but rather it is the failure of government that drives people to willingly join them and become loyal members who would kill and die for their cause. #
Muslims and Christians whose faith has no room for welcoming those of different belief. And so they attack.
# Why point at the Philippines when it comes to Muslim-Christian relations? Why not first look at Christian America’s attack on Muslim Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere where some 3 million mostly innocent Muslim lives of women, children and the elderly and infirmed have been snuffed out.
Why not look at the daily Christian discrimination, demonizing and dehumanization of Muslim Americans in America? #
Crabs everywhere, to the left and right, thriving in the outlying poor areas where superstition and what people say supplant education and knowledge in their thinking.
# I take offense in being compared to crabs. By that term you must mean “crab mentality” attributed to Filipinos by holier-than-thou foreigners to make us feel bad towards ourselves. Unfortunately, this canard is swallowed by many unthinking Filipinos who’d believe anything a white person would say.
They have come to believe that somehow we Filipinos alone in this world have this so-called crab mentality to the point it has become so pervasive that Filipinos routinely accuse each other of this so-called crab mentality as if we were the only people on earth who are afflicted with this universal and very human fault.
The truth is this crab mentality is an English phrase. We don’t even have an equivalent phrase for it.
Perhaps many Filipinos are superstitious, but it is just a matter of degree. It can also be said that America which is a very religious country, suffers also from superstition, for the American religionists believe in talking asses, parting waters, walking on water, angels, devils, holy water, holy relics, prayers, miracles, et cetera, et cetera.
In America’s bible belt they are also against science. Why, the former president, George W. Bush, is anti-science, anti-intellectual, and proud of it. Instead, many Americans still believe in “revealed” truths as the last word on everything when the Japanese and most rich northern European nations have already largely abandoned religion.
The darkness of “revealed” truth cannot hold a candle against the enlightening scientific method. In other words, many Americans, too, are equally benighted in their many superstitions, whether you call it religion which is what it really is.
In short, let me say this: People who live in glass houses should not be hurling rocks and stones at others. #
They will put the Philippines into the hands of a crook and then complain about poor government. Hundreds of institutions (clans, tribes, families,churches, provinces, cities, oligarchs, businesses, advocacy groups) whose leadership is convinced that only they know what is best for Filipinos.
# But this is true anywhere. Everywhere in the world, people complain about their corrupt politicians and their dynastic reigns. Why, America is no exception. It is, again, a matter of degree. The truth is that there are no bigger crooks in the world than the plutocratic profiteers that control America’s military industrial financial complex.
It is also perfectly human to believe your cause, your advocacy, your system, your party, or your religion is the one and only way. Don’t the Republicans, the TeaPartiers, conservatives, the KuKluxKlaners, and yes, the Democrats, the liberals, etc. feel the same way about themselves? So why pick on Filipinos alone? #
The corrosive influence of a tabloid press stunningly weak on information and insight.
# How is the Philippine press different from America’s tabloid and hate sheets, FoxNews, and the conservative so-called think-tanks, etc.? How is ours worse than the far, far more socially corrosive hate commentators like Limbaugh, Riley, Hannity, Maher, etc. that nightly pollute America’s airwaves? #
Propaganda artists undermining good thinking and deeds. Most are attorneys, grown-ups, confirmed smart people who seem not to care about the well-being of the nation. They advocate on behalf of crooks.
The inability of even the smartest people to separate issue from personality. The use of the insult to wage debate.
We have discussed the divisions, the tribal history of the Philippines, educational shortfalls, and Marcos undercutting trust and promoting corrupt ways.
# How are American lobbyists, political action committees, and lawyers any better? How is our Philippine media worse than theirvAmerican counterpart which is controlled by just three huge corporations owned by a handful of multibillionaires? Weren’t they the war drum beaters that led to the wars? Weren’t they the ones who bombarded America and the rest of the world with anti-Muslim propagandas to sustain the illegitimate and cruel wars that killed more than 3 million of mostly innocent civilian Muslims and still counting?
How is the racist and personal attacks on President Obama by Republican politicians and wannabes like Donald Trump any different? #
We have not discussed parenting and the family. It seems to me that most of the dysfunctionality gets passed from generation to generation within the family:
Education is left to the schools; there are no books in the home.
# You simply cannot generalize on this. Filipino families love education. Countless laundry women earning pittance have sacrificed to send their children to finish college.
We are poor. Very poor. America, Europe and Japan on the other hand are very rich. If they were truly concerned about the poor, they would not wage war against weak countries, slaughter them by the hundreds of thousands, if not by the millions, destroy their cities and their crops, subjugate and then impoverish them with their unequal trade treaties to exploit our natural resources, make us consumers of their manufactured goods, and, worse, to tell them that they are so poor that they do not even have books at home!
If you knew any better, Joe America, you’d know that the next meal on the table is the more urgent need for hungry stomachs than a book for Junior. #
Superstition and what “they” say determines everything from faith to politics to medical cures.
# Again, if you are poor, you simply can’t pay for a medical doctor. You just go to whomever is available and cheap.
But then we are not so bad. In America where they are rich, they also listen to quacks and other doctors who prescribe useless, if not harmful drugs.
Big Pharma pays these doctors with lavish trips and “consultancy fees”, if not outright kickbacks, to push their expensive drugs. This is, of course, corruption plain and simple. Which leads me to ask you: Which is morally worse, the rich American greed and corruption, or the poor Filipino ignorance and superstition? #
The schools are autocratic and so are families. Nurturing is not in the Parenting Playbook.
# Again, you unfairly generalize. You are viewing the Filipino family through your biased, if not prejudiced, lens. You clearly do not know what you are talking about with regards to the 100+ million Filipinos. You marry a Pinay and you think you are an expert on Filipinos! You marry a Pinay, you think that you have shed your prejudices.
And as far as the schools are concerned, there are pros and cons about “authoritarian” schools too long to debate over on these pages. One thing I know is we do not have the blackboard jungles you have in the states. We do not have the perennial deadly shootings you have in the schools and universities there. #
Subsistence becomes the political ideology, and envy the view toward people who get ahead.
These are things I see, and I frankly don’t know what to do about them.
#Subsistence is still with us because of the lingering effects of imperialism/colonialism and the damages wrought by West-sponsored WTO. You are blaming the victim without examining the many root causes of our poverty.
Frankly, Joe America, it is utter crap and racism when you talk about Filipinos’ “envy the view toward people who get ahead.” Again, this is a universal human trait. Are you telling us that you do not have envy in America? No keeping up with the Jones? No pissing contest? No back-stabbing? No kicking away the ladder? These are all American phrases which tell that you that Americans are just as human as the rest of mankind.
Filipinos have no monopoly on human frailties, foibles and the cardinal sins like envy and vindictiveness, for example, which you arrogantly accuse us of. Are you so holier than us? Why, you even have the temerity to suggest that you are so good that you were even thinking of changing human nature itself! Frankly, don’t feel bad. Just get rid your messianic complex. Nobody is asking you to change or do anything about human nature, let alone us Filipinos#
Innocent ignorance seems to run deep in the family, and I say that trying not to be some kind of intellectual imperialist,
but to set it on the table.
If I am wrong, you can write to that point. Even knowledge is shunned, as in the shunning and ridicule of teachings that psychologists can do or therapy that psychologists can provide. It’s like there is a commitment to darkness, to limitation, to ignorance. Aspiration and ambition are swear words. Envy is a virtue, and its brother, vengeance.
Is that accurate?
If so, should something be done about it?
If so, what?
That said, the tablet is hereby declared erased.
Feel fill to fill it up.
# Of course, you are an intellectual imperialist. Just by the very choice of your name “Joe America” gives it away.
Again, you generalize about the Filipino family, Worse you are patronizing and condescending with your “innocent ignorance” attribution to all Filipinos as if we were some hapless children. It is smack of the disgraced notoriously racist and imperialistic Rudyard Kipling and his arrogant and ignorant “White Man’s Burden” description of the Filipino.
Please get off your insidious high horse, Joe America. There are many, many good Americans. You might first try emulating them and changing yourself to be just like them before trying to be a messiah to 100+ million Filipinos which I find absolutely insulting. #
Joe America
#Louie Fernandez#
Hello Louie,
You said that this was the first and only post of Joe that you have ever read. I suggest then that you go back to the archives and see the several dozen or even hundred posts here where Joe has actually proven his love for this country, perhaps even more than the locals.
And the ills of America you cited have been acknowledged as well in those previous blogs. Please read them first.
Would have saved you from that long rant, which was sorely misplaced.
In case you have not read any previous post here, Society members do take the step of trying to figure out solutions to the nation’s problems unlike other blogs which spew venom without offering any solutions.
What “intellectual imperialist” are you talking about? Nobody is forced to read or react here, and anyone can publish a blog or write an opinion.
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Thanks, Andrew. I might add:
1. Louie’s whole stance is that of a nationalist. Accordingly, no one but a Filipino can or should criticize the Philippines or Filipinos.
1.1. Your last sentence overturns the argument.
1.2. Louie also contradicts his own argument by criticizing the US, a tit-for-tat.
1.3. I would remind everybody of Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: everybody has a right to express an opinion “regardless of frontiers”.
1.4. JoeAm has as much the right to criticize as Louie does.
2. To me, the source of criticism is less important that the truth of the criticism… and the motivation behind the criticism.
2.1. This is not to say that the source is unimportant. If the source is consistently biased to a particular point of view than it matters… because then truth is not the main concern. The main concern is either to destroy or to prove superiority.
2.2. But again I would remind everybody that JoeAm has expressed the view that we — in our negativity — are our own worst enemies. In fact, this was the driving motivation behind his post on tabloid media, which Louie missed.
2.3. Again, after evaluating the truth or falsity of a criticism, what should one do?
2.3.1. If the criticism is untrue, what of it? One may ignore it, like water off a duck’s back. Or if one is so inclined, one may dispute it.
2.3.2. If the criticism is true, should we not recognize it, perhaps accept it and try to reform ourselves?
2.3.3. The fact that the criticism may not only be true here but also elsewhere is beside the point.
I would reinforce the values of blogging which has become the Fifth Estate by quoting Louie’s almost namesake, Louis C.K., who said: “All dialogue is positive.” If we were not so aware, Louie has opened our minds to the “ills of America,” as you, Andrew, has put it. This is all grist for the mill as we — the Philippines, America, and all countries and all individuals — move forward.
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ON THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE
Further on the right to criticize and the source of criticism: In the real world there are protocols to observe. Like a foreign ambassador must not criticize the host country. Or a child must not criticize his elders.
In the blogosphere, there are almost no hierarchical protocols as such as we are all equals. There should be no discrimination by reason of nationality, age, sex, gender or creed.
Even so, we must observe certain protocols. Absent a moderator, these protocols are mostly self-imposed.
o One protocol is to stay on topic… more or less. (This does not apply to this post as it is a tabula rasa.)
o Another is to answer reason with reason, logic with logic, humor with humor.
o Another is to avoid name-calling.
o Another is to eschew ad hominems.
Ad hominems are of a particular concern… because they can be indirect instead of direct, subtle instead of crass. Catty asides or snide remarks are a good example of this.
Indeed, the commenter is often not aware that he is guilty of casting ad hominems.
I am no exception, but I do make the effort — sometimes but not all of the time! — to check my internal feeling or expression before hitting the Submit button. More often than not it is after I hit the button. Is my feeling one of having made a productive comment or not? Is it a feeling of honesty, humility and pride instead of just plain superiority? Is my expression a smirk or a genuine smile?
(I know, I know humility and pride are supposed to be opposites, but strangely in some cases they are not. I think there is false pride and true pride. But I will solve that conundrum at another time.)
All of these clues point to motivation… and motivation is primary. Do we blog to enlighten? And is it to enlighten others but not ourselves? Or do we blog simply to have our voice heard?
I am aware that sometimes, even with the best of intentions, our contributions are misread. Like attempts of humor that fall flat. (I remember such a one when I invited Juana to lunch.)
I submit that a primary purpose, if not the primary purpose, of blogging is refinement. The refinement of our country and the world, and the refinement of our minds and hearts.
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I bow my head in deep appreciation. Juana is right, if you have not written a book, please start now…it would surely be a best seller. Please do continue posting here and at raissa’s, though, when you become a best selling author.
Your wisdom is rare, and your calm way of dishing it out is truly admirable.
Thank you, sir.
Do we need a grudge match, edgar? 🙂
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Ahahaha! Nah, I’m your kuya and you’re my ate.
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Louie, it is obvious there is a problem in the Philippine Media.
1. I do not know Binay from Adam but the Philippine Media sold out to Filipino people to vote for Binay.
2. RP Media can analyze politics but cannot analyze that hearings should be behind doors so Binay and the U.P. crooks cannot know the bird in their hand so as not to jeopardize investigation.
3. RP Media can know Archimedies to Voltaire but cannot know how important evidences are than paid, eng-get, intimidated witnesses
4. RP media can analyze verb and nouns but cannot analyze why Americans prefer evidences over affadavits.
5. RP media is promoting religion that made Filipinos dependent on intergalac tic extra terrestrial beings despite religion has not worked its wonders for the past 500 years
PHILIPPINE MEDIA IN THE PHILIPPINES IS ROTTEN AND CRAPPY!
MRP, you really has a thing for the PHILIPPINE MEDIA. I agreed only as far as the slanted news reporting and I get credited with generalizing. I read only read three – Inquirer, Philstar and rappler and it’s there that I find the slanted news. Now where else do I go for the news? Life is funny, sometimes.
Mami Kawada Lover just mentioned “Joma Sison’s three basic problems of imperialism, feudalism, and bureaucrat capitalism” above your comment. You touched on all three. Coincidence?
Please get off your judgmental high carabao, Louie. Here at the Society, we pride ourselves in having finely honed BS detector.
Looks like you also need to take your advice: “You might first try emulating them (good, earnest, and discerning Filipinos) and changing yourself to be just like them before trying to be a messiah to 100+ million Filipinos which I find absolutely insulting.”
@Louie Fernandez
to Joe America
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# How is the Philippine press different from America’s tabloid and hate sheets, FoxNews, and the conservative so-called think-tanks, etc.? How is ours worse than the far, far more socially corrosive hate commentators like Limbaugh, Riley, Hannity, Maher, etc. that nightly pollute America’s airwaves? #
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Louie, whom do you recommend people read or listen to?
Can you name your favorite writers, commentators, …?
Sheesh that was long… It’s a shame that you pretty much say the same thing throughout the whole post. As a genuine Filipino though, born and raised here in General Santos, Mindanao, Philippines, I can say that Joe has always been on point and has never written anything that can be taken as racist by anyone who has half a brain to recognize that he has always offered valid criticisms.
You, however, come off as nothing more than the typical, prideful idiot who cries “I know you are but what am I!” whenever he gets criticized. Basically, another butt hurt Filipino…
But since Joe isn’t here, let me take this opportunity to address at least some of the insults and unfounded accusations that you are throwing his way until he gets back.
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You say that he should reveal himself because “a true crusader should be courageous” or some such BS. Are you nuts? With people like you walking around, he could get deported and harassed to no end, and don’t you freakin say that won’t happen because it does.
Tell the truth about how our national boxing icon sucks at playing basketball will you? Get out of our country!
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You say that Joe should put his country of origin first before meddling in our affairs but what good will that do? There are already hundreds, if not thousands of bloggers and social crusaders in the US doing the same thing, what difference can one more make?
We, on the other hand, have very few people like Joe in the country and those who are doing the same thing are prone to the usual flaws that afflict those who grew up in the country. Easily offended, easily riled up, throwing logic out the window and resorting to ad hominem attacks instead at the slightest provocation. We NEED someone level-headed and clear of thought like Joe because we have too few people like that.
More than that, we NEED someone like Joe who can bring like-minded individuals together to talk about real problems that are plaguing this nation and to provide us with insight that those in more enlightened parts of the world have to share.
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Then you go on to say that the US is full of the same if not worse flaws as the Philippines, but this doesn’t change the fact that the Philippines is afflicted with all those flaws! How will pointing out that America has its own share of problems solve our own?
I’ll tell you how. It doesn’t!
Just as there are those in the US campaigning to make sure that their own population is informed and their problems will be solved, so should we do the same. Unfortunately, this doesn’t happen because we have folks like you who lose their minds whenever they are presented with facts that they consider to be an attack on their own ideals or your so-called “Pinoy Pride” (whatever that means).
Most Filipinos are way too sensitive to be frank with, but to be perfectly honest, that is their problem.
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“You simply cannot generalize on this. Filipino families love education.” Just to elaborate on this point, Filipino families love the wealth and prestige that education can bring them. I was educated in public schools, private schools and graduated from a Science High School. I can tell you that people in this country focuses more on the profit of being an educated person.
Students are not taught to learn for the sake of learning and being knowledgeable but rather to become professionals and earn good money so that they can be lifted out of poverty. Money and a good life is what they focus on and ignore the social, economical and political aspects of the world except for those that affect them in the most obvious of ways.
I’m not saying that getting education to overcome poverty is wrong. But to only focus on personal wealth and the wealth of the family while ignoring everything else? On this, Joe has it right.
I’m speaking of the majority of course since there are those who work towards charity work and whatnot.
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Now, I don’t have the time to address all of your criticisms, so let me just end it with this until next time. Joe is not racist by any measure. You only perceive him that way because you can’t accept the truth.
Joe is certainly speaking from a higher position than you or I, much like how a teacher speaks from a higher position from a student. And much like a student, you believe that you know more than the teacher.
Finally, everything, and I mean every single thing that Joe said about Filipinos and this country is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I’m a Filipino. Never been to the US and have lived in the Philippines my whole life except for when I went to Indonesia for an ambassadorial trip. I recognize and accept all the criticisms being leveled at us. But that is a trait is absurdly rare here in this country, and so I’m not surprised that you don’t feel the same way.
@ andrew and sir edgar
I agree wholeheartedly on all your points.
I would add just a little as what you have already stated expressed most of what I feel
@ louie fernandez
As andrew has suggested, read up on joe’s articles. Remember, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, more so when based on that little knowledge of joe and his writings, you posted that long rant that is almost a whole blog article. FYI, Joe has revealed to us his true name. And the picture in his avatar is his great grandfather.
We read his blog, not because of his name, his skin color or his citizenship. We read because we found his blog to be more credible, frank and honest. He expresses what we feel. We came, we read, and we stayed on our own accord, we were not forced or duped.
You are insulting us because what you are saying is that we are not capable of intellectual discernment. And I will reiterate what I often say about Joe ..he is more a Filipino than most of us here. I can sense his passion and enthusiasm about this country which he came to love.
What was his real name? I don’t recall him ever saying that, only that he’s living in Biliran.
I agree with this. Just because he’s an American (or a foreigner) for that matter doesn’t mean his suggestions and comments are automatically anti-Filipino. Just look at the Inquirer’s Peter Wallace, who is an expat, but nonetheless gives many good solutions that, if only the Philippine government would listen to him, there could be actual progress. Heck, even if Joe were a Chinese, if he still wrote like how he does now I would still believe him.
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There is an “Anonymity” tab at the top of the screen beside the “Home” tab where JoeAm explains his reasons for using a pseudonym.
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>I write in anonymity because I can be disagreeable.
Frankly that doesn’t seem to be a strong reason. That violates media ethics where anonymity is used to hide attacks and the like. There is a reason why the article I posted here before, I used my real name.
His name is Ronald something…German sounding surname which I cannot recall at the moment. He is an American-German, a former artillery man in the Vietnam war, turned banker and marketing genius….
Found this:
>In the spirit of Marcos patriotism, I would like to announce that my real name is Ronald Hertzenberger and I live in Cebu.
Actually now Biliran, but still…
louie, Mami:
This thread’s really simple, post a problem and offer solutions, or get into a productive debate or discussion about the problems listed above.
Your questions about anonymity and other criticisms can be directed to JoeAm when he returns from vacation, no need for conjectures–we are not JoeAm’s attorneys here.
There’s no room for being offended. And if you fall back on delicadeza, being delicate, then you’ve only proved JoeAm’s point.
This thread is about the Philippines and how to better the Philippines. But if you want to play the false equivalency game, that the Philippines and US are equally messed up, I can help.
I am an American, I’ll gladly answer any criticism–with just one condition, that in engaging this compare & contrast debate we turn it back towards the intent of this thread, how to better the Philippines.
So how can I enlighten your views about the US?
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That’s just one reason of many?
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1. Arab Spring came about because bloggers and social media NOT THE NEWS MEDIA
2. Philippine Revolution was sparked not by the NEWS MEDIA but by Jose Rizal’s El Feli and Noli Me
3. Benigno Aquino won the presidency because the PHILIPPINE MEDIA splashed his face bowling over his mother’s coffin. THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA played on emotional state of the Filipinos. They do not know who Aquino was. I do not know either. I elected Benigno THRU THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA.
4. I do not know BINAY. Nor Nancy. Nor Abigail. Elinita and Jejo Jr. I voted for them BECAUSE IT WAS RECOMMENDED SUBTLY BY PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA.
5. I am now against Binay because that is what PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA TOLD ME TO.
6. I did not believe Binay’s accuser but with the flurry of AFFIDAVITS AND WITNESSES AS PRESENTED BY PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA, now I believe them. I threw away my belief in evidences and now believe in witnesses.
7. I ACCUSED OUR PRETTY NEIGHBOR OF PHILANDERING. I had that gall because according to Philippine Media it is OK without evidence just witness account and affidavits.
LET US CHANGE THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA! BUT HOW? THRU THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA that we are complaining about?
THEREFORE, NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN THE PHILIPPINES. BECAUSE PHILIPPINE MEDIA IS THE WALL THAT WE ARE FACING.
GO JOE! GO! GO! GO!
8. I am now praying because PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA splashed a Manny Pacquiao headline praying in church …
9. I am now not going to college because Philippine News Columnists say “if you believe in God nothing is impossible”
10. I am not voting this election because According to PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA Veloso was saved by prayer not by Binay.
SO, PEOPLE, THRU THE RECOMMENDATION OF NEWS MEDIA, Let us Pray.
11. THE PHILIPPINE NEWS MEDIA has made high-school drop-out Manny Pacquiao a God. A Saint. The pride and joy of Filpinos. Now, I am taking boxing. Boxing is cheaper. College not required.
12. Filipinos are now learning boxing because of Philippine News Media.
SO, PEOPLE, THRU THE RECOMMENDATION OF NEWS MEDIA, Let us Learn Boxing.
13. Difficulty in determining the TeaMilk chemical? No problem. Drag in the son of the TeaMilk owner and ask him what chemical he placed in the TeaMilk.
14. Cannot have a copy of BinayLand TCT? No problem, call in Tiu and have him present TCT in the name of Binay. Get Angry. Sue Tiu for not forging TCT in the name of Binay.
I SO LOVE PHILIPPINE MEDIA. THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING … MANNY PACQUIAO … BINAY INVESTIGATION ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE ….
I THINK I AM THE ONLY ONE LEFT IN THE PHILIPPINES WHO GOT BRAIN TO THINK. Join me. Go Evidence. Outsource Philippine Media.
Here is how unprofessional the Philippine Media is.
I used to be serial commenter in RAPPLER. I got into squabble with Allan among others my attack on U.P. If anyone here is a follower of Rappler you know who Allan is. The owner of Rappler. He is from U.P.
Allan accused me of FAILING UPCAT. Very typical of Filipino responses which happens to be the culture of Filipinos, too!!! To clear the air, I did not or would ever enroll in U.P. If I had the chance for personal and philosophical reason.
Allan is implying: If I had passed UPCAT, I would have studied in U.P. and I WOULD NEVER HAVE ATTACKED THE CROOKS IN GOVERMMENT AND THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH U.P. BECAUSE I AM A GRADUATE OF U.P.
THEREFORE, Philippine Media is a crook for protecting their Alma Mater.
REST MY CASE.
THEREFORE, Philippine Media protects their own. You never hear of Philippine Media criticizing their own. They never do Brian Williams or Britt McHenry. They never do. That is why Filipinos are made to believe that Philippine Media is above board. What they print is the truth. Not biased. Not judgemental.
THEREFORE, whatever Philippine Media recommends to be the president The Filipinos vote.
(A higher being can vouch for what I have posted)
LIBERLAND
http://j.mp/i7liber
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Liberland’s right to exist may be legally questionable but that has not stopped its founders from dreaming of building a thriving, free-market economy – a sort of Balkan Hong Kong, with a large population living in yet-to-be built skyscrapers.
The fact that their new country occupies less than three square miles is no impediment to nationhood, they say – both the Vatican City State and Monaco are smaller.
The founders claim that Liberland is neither a stunt nor an elaborate joke but a serious proposition based on the fact that the patch of land is “terra nullius” – unclaimed by any other country.
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Any “terra nullius” you know of? 🙂
Does the Philippines really have 7,107 islands?
Where can one find a list of them?
What if, say, Google finds 7,777 islands instead?
btw, …
Does the CRRP really have 8,000 pages?
Did anyone even find a copy of it?
I’ve been looking for sources for this island count since 1998. Pls share your findings. So far Palawan archipelago & Sulu archipelago can supply, maybe, 5,000 islands. I know that that US Geodetic Survey deployed at least two ships to chart all waters of the Philippines. We (US military and Philippine Gov’t) still depend on these soundings until now. 🙂
We toured the hundred islands in Pangasinan in one of our company outings.
Mary, I am happy to note there are actually 126 islands! (give or take). 🙂 Those boats feel so frail. Wala pang life jackets. Mama mia.
Meron na manong…..life jacket, that is…although the boats still looked frail. The boatmen showed off by diving in the midst of the deepest water to transfer from one boat to another or to change from paddling to switching their motors.
Mary, I made a mental note not to make the water crossings anytime after 2 pm. The waters start becoming unruly after that time. I’m not sure if the municpalty is equipped with adequate sea equipment in case of emergency. I’m not sure also of the adequacy of the lighthouse and navigational equipment or how much investment the municipality has put into safe tourism. Otherwise else, the Hundred Island is really a sight to behold and enjoy.
It’s a good thing then that we made the crossings right after breakfast considering this great fear of mine of unruly waters. It was worth the trip, the views are spectacular, we stpped for a while near one of the islands to watch the vats, then in another one to enjoy the clear water cavortings.
One way to keep track of news on Manny – every minute:
http://j.mp/pacq-gn
(case-sensitive, small letters all).
pacq – Pacquiao
gn – Google News
With the Sevilla resignation, it seems the chances of Mar Roxas being president have been dashed.
What else?
we have disaster preparedness guidelines, does every barangay know of thise guidelines?
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Barangays are first line of defense as far as safety and security is concerned.
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Barangays are necessary so things don’t need to go to court.
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The justice in wheels is doing good on case backlogs, but still a case can be delayed for 20 years.
People with money can delay to the max.Our sardine can jails must reduce population by reducing terms by community service, some seminars,etc.
Karl, our old house on 15th Avenue and Aurora Blvd received a conflagration scare a few years ago. The area is squatter infested to the point of no return. The fire department small truck could not go through because our esquinitas were blocked by vehicles parked as if the owners also owned the street as their garages. Barangays in MetroManila have their own subcultures.
Same here in our area, even today. Someone remarked that if a driver successfully navigated through parked cars and tricycles in the sidewalk (with the pedestrians relegated to the streets among ongoing traffic), going to our subdvision, then he truly will be an expert driver. Yet another reason for my decision to invest in a condo, away from undisciplined car owners, you are quite accurate in saying so, who act as if they have a TCT on half the street and sidewalks. It’s no wonder they have to call the AFP and asked helicopters to get water from Manila Bay , I suppose, hahaha) and tried to put out a fire that broke out in the area.
Can’t quite understand the fact that Marikina has succeeded in disciplining car owners and commuters there, while our city cannot do the same. Our mayor is the wife of our former 3 termer mayor, who is the son of the former 3 termer dad and mom. Geez…..It’s all in the family…..
Magagalit pa ang nasusunugan st aagawin pa ang hose,lalo tuloy tatagal sunog. Ganyan napanood ko sa isang documentary.
NIMBY is the reason for petition of relocation of powerplants,gabage dumps,factories,and so on.
We really need all stakeholders to have a conference on land use. Where are powerplants allowed? where are land fills and the like allowed, buildings,redidential office,mix used,etc.
Where are trees allowed,are they allowed in the middle of the street?
when will logging be outlawed ?
so many quarried rocks around, yet we still import cement,what is the use of destroying mountains, to help reclamation in other countries?
Karl, producing cement (Portland process) is relatively straightforward. I am personally aware of two sites where this is done: Bacnotan, La Union and Lobo, Batangas. Because of history project, this is the only pointer I can provide. You’re right the Bacnotan site has been quarrying limestone from the town’s beachfront since I can remember as a boy of 9. I really don’t know whether the cement produced is for local consumption or export. The current capitalist in that town is Holcim Cement. I have no more information on the Lobo site. Batangas politicos would know I imagine. Both sites have quarries close to limestone deposits, the starting material for cement making.
Is there a town planning committee in each municipality at all ? I doubt it, as long as there is lagay, anybody can put up a MacMansion, anywhere; just ask Pacwan !!!
what do we do with media MRP? abolish media?as long as there is small and large there will always be the plural form of medium..
Karl, let them be like Joe allow me to rant in his blogsite. Allow foreign news to invest in the Philippines. Currently, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR FOREIGNERS TO HAVE NEWSPAPER IN THE PHILIPPINES!
JoeAm cannot even comment and publish his opinion prior to election !!! And to think JoeAm gave us the light at the end of the tunnel.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Foreign wnership of media is also illegal in the US as in most countries. The Australian Rupert Murdoch owner of News Corp / Fox News had to become an American citizen.
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That’s as far as ownership of media is concerned. It does not delimit the right of Rupert Murdoch to express his own opinion on the US in any way, shape or form — before, after or during elections.
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@Louie Fernandez
Please see
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Louie, whom do you recommend people read or listen to?
Can you name your favorite writers, commentators, …?
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Salamat.
If the heaf of the family decided he wants to watch TV patrol even after you express your objection, other family members, while having dinner, have to watch also to conserve power and family peace.
It is in this instances that i get to watch how this news program has a seemingly permanent and nightly slot for the noisy left leaning groups and their spokesmen/woman. A few nights ago, i have to control myself from breaking plates (joke only, I am not into that kind of anger management solver, just saying) when i watch how Mary Jane Veloso’s mom displayed her ungrateful, easily influenced (by Migrante group) attitude towards the government.
She said quite a mouthful of diatribes saying she is back, ready and eager to collect what is owed her family for their troubles thus earning the ire of netizens and turning their compassion towards her to anger and disbelief…the nerve of this unthinking, ungrateful woman.
Let her have her cake; free delivery from the famous BAKER in town .
God, in Jesus’ Mighty Name, please protect both fighters from permanent, even fatal harm…please let Pacquiao win, but your will be done.
On matters of culture and politics, I would say magkakatugma halos ang pananaw natin, at least most of the time. But on this one I can’t help blurting out a howl on the absurdity of your petition.
Are you saying God is taking sides?
Or that he will make sure nobody gets hurt in a contest where both protagonists would display no compunction to beat the other into a pulp given the slightest chance?
Boxing is a violent sport, that’s why I usually don’t watch it. Since it is a violent sport, it is inevitable that both will be hurt.
My short prayer is for both protagonist to not be permanently harmed (being paralyzed, or like Roach, having speech difficulty, or Muhamad Ali who had this trembling, all from head injuries…or worse be in a coma or fatally injured).
Thank God both are ok, not much blood was spilled.
God in his infinite wisdom lets human beings choose which road to choose, but I believe he answers our supplication, subject to His will and His overall plans. He has made known His desires for us through the Bible, but we are allowed freedom of choice.
I usually avoid religious debates, sorry if my short prayer will result in one. I realized now that I should have done it privately….
Sabi ni Freddie Roach, mula ng maging born again si Pacman nabawasan na ang killer instinct nya sa bawat laban.
Mabuti pa mag-retire na lang sya at maging full time pastor.
Roach is entitled to his opinion….tama, tutal mayaman na sya at may edad na rin para sa boxing profession, mag retire na lang talaga amg pinakamahusay.
God chose wife-beater Floyd to win. IT IS TIME TO SWITCH RELIGION.
Will cctv instalation in offices govt or private be a way to reduce bribery,sexual harrasment,petty theft,and so on and so forth.
Discipline is still the answer, but admittedly we stil lack discipline.
I remember our trainer, when I worked at a hospital, saying, “Ladies and gentlemen, let me remind you that this hospital is wired. We got cameras everywhere so always be on your best behavior if you do not want to watch yourself on the six o’clock news.”
I guess, installing cctv in government offices could keep employees honest and well behaved.
Yep, so true, although with BIR, and other revenue generating agencies, under the table deals are done outside of government offices. I wish AMLA and the banks will seriously coordinate with each other, and properties of those in government including their relatives and rumored mistresses be posted in government websites…oops, too radical?
Not radical but good sense, and you make a lot of it, Mary. I think this is the reason why rep in both houses drag their feet about passing FOI. They are not ready to for real reform in government service.
*not ready for real reform
Thanks, Juana… I think a watered down version of the proposed FOI is in the offing, pity.
Your are so correct, it’s our government officials who are hindering real reform in government service, to protect their own interest, think of another dragging of their feet in passing the anti dynasty law.
Meanwhile, I think the citizens are not yet ready also, they don’t participate or get involved enough in what is happening in our country except to complain and whine, they are easily influenced by what the radio, TV and tabloid media are peddling. Worse, they even sell their votes to the highest bidder, at least the masa voters do which comprise the majority. They and some of middle class are all busy seeking for self gratification.
And the worst of all, they are not interested in voting, I know of some who have not voted not even once after reaching the voting age although they can discern the good and the bad politicians.
NOPE! It is not radical idea! IT IS ORIGINAL! My parents told me during the time of waning days of Marcos regime, Philippine Star published the mansions of crony of Marcos. IT WAS EFFECTIVE !
I guess, installing cctv in government offices could keep employees honest and well behaved.
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CCTV will keep employees honest and well behaved? I don’t know about that.
All I know is you can talk corruption when and how to do it on the phone even with 100 CCTVs right in front of your face.
Honesty is a character the CCTV cannot expose nor detect. 📹
AMEN! Totally agree ! Absolutely! Your argument is non-negotiable. IT IS ABSOLUTE!
How about cctv and sophisticated lip reading devices, another radical idea.
True, that’s a radical idea. I’m not sure that we’re in that stage where we can determine a person’s personality or intent by utilizing technology. The best determinator of human behavior is still the human technology. ⛔
The radical idea came to me after you said:
“All I know is you can talk corruption when and how to do it on the phone even with 100 CCTVs right in front of your face.”
Ok, the corrupt will say in their defense “I’m just dictating a line to my aspiring script writer nephew…for a school program…” me and my overactive imagination – radical ideas and second guessing. Told you guys, don’t wanna be serious today.
Mary, I don’t exactly get what you’re saying. You talked about radical idea and I agree and the point of your last post is? ❓
Ok I am wrong,cctv bad idea.end of debate.
Who said you’re wrong? I think you raised a good issue about CCTV in gov’t and private offices. Although it may not be possible in terms of detecting what people are thinking it could very well apply to other activities happening in the office like physical sexual harassment or even actual theft. 🚷
Actually, in this post, I was kind of making fun of myself with my radical ideas, overactive imagination and second guessing the corrupt if and when they are charged as a result of the CCTV and that radical idea of mine – the use of sophisticated lip reading devices. Not trying to start a debate, there, guys.
Hire deaf people,the ones who are trained lip readers.Actually cctvs are nothing if no one monitors,otherwise it would be a purely after the fact device.keep the cctv monitord low profile or incognito.
wala ka ngang sinabi na mali ako pero you just shot down the ideas exchanged here.
The hot issue right now related to CCTV is for police officers here to be all issued body cameras recording as they work. This program is also backed by Federal money for purchase of these body cameras.
The studies behind this push for body cameras seem promising. Entire departments that used these body cameras found less use of force incidents (promoting more restraint, less bad behaviour) and also found that in cases of force or complaints by citizens these cameras exonerated officers more than convicted them.
So the presence of cameras in the work place or in public or in homes do change people’s behaviour for the better. Some years ago after 9/11 police departments wanted to copy the London CCTV model and that was nixed, citing privacy concerns. These days, because of the miniaturization of this technology and lowered cost, many houses now have CCTV type systems, which get used by police during investigations–so in effect they did get their London CCTV, just privately owned.
Also small businesses, fast food joints, warehouse, clinics, all have similar CCTV set-ups, and petty theft, inappropriate work place behaviour, lack of work ethics, do get captured and employees are on their toes at work–so also good from a managerial point of view.
For small things you can prevent, like petty theft, or for capturing crimes whose assailants were caught unaware of the cameras, CCTV technology is effective, but not for high level corruption, since this happens clandestinely. Preventing small things and investigating serendipitous crimes, cameras are effective but CCTVs aren’t a fix-all.
Hence the importance of an FBI-type institution (the NBI) task with investigating government corruption, and a press that’s highly capable with investigative journalism. CCTV represents only the technological component to preventing corruption, in the end you need people who are above reproach backed by organizations (whether law enforcement or the press) with the means to shed light on all involved.
So cameras do change behaviour, but NBI and the press is the real solution. The capacity, expertise for in-depth investigations should be the focus. Government bureaucracies have tendencies to be complicit, because of nepotism/cronyism, etc. this is the reason improving the press there is very crucial–in-depth investigations is the key to fighting real high level corruption.
I am sorry to douse cold water on your suggestion, Juana. As you know, Filipinos are vehemently violent fanatically extreme religious people. Filipinos know they cannot fool God when judgement time comes.
Filipinos are aware that GOD IS WATCHING. But they still steal. So, therefore, despite being recorded by CCTV and Saint Peter, THEY STILL STEAL. Might as well save CCTV money. If they had bought CCTV, it would still be another controversy and thievery.
The thieves steal in proportion to their alma mater. U.P.-products steal the most. Those from Ateneo and la Salle steal the least.
Binay and his bodyguards were caughted in CCTV in Forbes. NOTHING CAME OUT OF IT.
On tourism, I tried an SMDC resort on Nasugbu,despite the negative reviews on travel blogs, I enjoyed the place. I would not invest in a timeshare though, good thing they relaxed the members only or accompanied by a member rule.In its four years of existense it is still well maintained.
Developers can make or break the environment. I was mad at SM a few months ago for cutting trees in Baguio, but in some other places,they kept the beauty of the place.
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ud by Mayweather.
Iam watching the delayed telecast,so many low blows ignored by the ref.
I do not understand a lot about boxing, but again it was clearly President Aquino’s fault that the national hero lost his fight.
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Yes, clearly it was. He said it would be the national hero’s crowning glory. Like the capture of Marwan would be the PNP’s crowning glory. But he did not review the assault plan in detail. He trusted Roach too much.
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Kawawa naman si Pacquiao. Oras na para maningil.
Hahaha…now, let us expect migrante to burn more Aquino effigies in protest…maybe some of them will blame Pnoy for appointing Henares who is distracting and hounding Pacquiao
Pacquiao lost plain and simple. Shoulder injury is just pure unadulterated Filipino excuse. Here are the clues why Manny Pacquiao lost:
1. ROACH SAID, “weight is no problem”. Therefore, IT IS THE PROBLEM. Roach wouldn’t have come out and said that if it wasn’t a problem. NON-NEGOTIABLE
2. PACQUIAO SAID, “Pray for me”. It is obvious sign that Pacquuiao realized his opponent is unbeatable. NON-NEGOTIABLE
3. Pacquiao ate a lot to bring up his weight to speed. Unfortunately, what he ate doesn’t convert to muscles in 24-hours. THIS IS NEGOTIABLE AND DEBATABLE
4. Floyd is taller, heavier, and, longer reach. Pacquiao is shorter, lighter and shorter reach.
5. PACQUIAO is OVERLY-CAUTIOUS! That is why he is not punching as much as he used to NOT HIS EXCUSE THAT HE GOT INJURY ON HIS SHOULDER
6. ROACH chose a Mixed-Martial-Artist to spar with Pacquiao. That is how he got injured.
7. FINALLY, God did not want mixed up with mixed-martial-artist and education-optional boxing that beat each others brains out.
🙂 🙂 🙂
I do not understand a lot about boxing, but again it was clearly President Aquino’s fault that the national hero lost his fight.
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It’s okay not to understand something but don’t try to create intrigue by resorting to fact-twisting. 🐸
What is going to happen to Filipinos? They lost big time. God failed them despite their concerted prayers. The inspiration of the Filipinos humbly accepted defeat! What inspired Filipinos? Hit the books? Or, hit the punching bag?
Satire?
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There was an article in Rappler about Filipinos not being able to tell truth from satire. This was my comment:
A scientific study by the Rosewell Institute has concluded that Asians in general and Filipinos in particular cannot detect satire because they have round faces and flat noses. Round-faced people tend to have short noses, and short noses have short nasal passages that disallow inhaled air to be thoroughly sampled for the detection of impurities. In contrast, the long, large and aquiline noses of Caucasians provide not only a greater area and density for olfactory nerves but also a longer air tunnel whereby impurities undergo a lengthier temporal exposure and thus can be more readily sensed and more accurately identified. It is a well-known fact that odor is not only a gas cloud but actually consists of particles that hang in the air. Thus Westerners are better able to separate fact from fiction, and truth from satire.
The Rosewell Institute has also theorized that Asians have poorly developed writing skills and have an inordinate respect for the intelligence of writers and their products. Thus, they tend to take for granted the truth of the written word. Also the written word does not carry any visual clues – facial expressions, body language and hand gestures – associated with the spoken word that Filipinos are very sensitive to.
Ok, let’s see….I got Joseph’s, andrew’s and your comments as satire though I don’t have a Caucasian nose, hence my satiric rejoinder.
And micha’s too of course.
We all got it. yey, I’m in good company.
Don’t wanna be too serious today….
I don’t know about other Asians but some Filipinos can’t even see cockroaches on newspaper headlines. Detecting satire is more challenging. It might have something to do with noses, who knows, but the second paragraph of The Rosewell Institute theory I think has more weight.
I agree with Edgar’s Rappler comment.
At first I thought it was Roswell or area 51.We learned fact from fiction from aliens.We grasp satire pretty well,otherwise why would be there more pilosopos than philosophers.our bullshit detectors are the eyes,ears and especially the feet. Pag malambot bullshit yun.
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Ah, Karl, very good. You were able to make the connection between Roswell and aliens. It may be true that Filipinos are good detectors of bullshit, but there is many an evidence to the contrary, don’t you agree? The supremacy of Binay in the polls for one.
And there is a difference between bullshit and satire. Bullshit is falsity. Satire is a semblance of truth dressed up in exaggerated falsity. Bullshit smells; satire can come up smelling like roses. Bullshit, if wrapped, would leak; satire, if wrapped, would be like a Christmas present complete with bows and ribbons.
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If I told Irineo that I will go buy his book if he ever writes one, I woild also buy yours.kahit outline at enumeration pa yan.
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Many thanks, Karl.
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You are most welcome,Edgar
Don’t worry, Manny may still have a chance to win…. tomorrow, in the Inquirer headlines. 🙂
They got Veloso dead even if she wasn’t . 🙂
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This from FB: “Statistics of the fight: Pacquiao: 240 hits and 30 successful. Mayweather: 256 Hugs and 45 kilometers running.”
Manny’s loss is church loss
Manny prayed
God did not answer
Filipinos prayed
God did not answer
Floyd won
Filipinos converting in mass to Buddhism
Any religion as long as it is not Christian-themed
Humanism, a more coherent and reality-based form of faith.
I am a humanist! Therefore I am human! Filipinos are not! Because they believe that everything they do is because of God, therefore, they are failed robots.
One can be a Catholic-Humanist,
a Buddhist-Humanist,
a Muslim-Humanist,
and an Atheist-Humanist.
Humanism doesn’t nullify other faiths it increases it by way of reason–although most Humanists become Atheists or Agnostics.
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Not really. Humanism is all-embracing — that is, embracing of all humanity.
Buddhist-humanist is feasible because Buddhism is non-theistic. It is said that studying Buddhism and its central practice of meditation can make one a better Christian or a better Muslim. (Note that I am talking about philosophical Buddhism.)
Atheist-humanism (and agnostic-humanism) is indeed the foundation of secular humanism.
Catholic-humanist and Islam-humanist are contradictions in terms because these religions espouse exclusive God-truths: there is only one true God. If you are NOT a Christian, you will NOT get into heaven. If you are NOT a Muslim, you will NOT get into Jannah.
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“Catholic-humanist and Islam-humanist are contradictions in terms”
This is where interpretations play a big role, edgar. The renaissance in southern Europe and age of enlightenment in western/central Europe were fostered by Catholic priests and soon Protestants who believed in God but also reason.
Same with Islam, astronomy, Algebra, chemistry, etc. were pursued by Muslim scientists, because of the Quran’s urging to use one’s intellect–and that’s from God.
Jesus didn’t go around telling his disciples that he was the Son of God and belief in him equals salvation, he urged them to get rid of stuff and serve people. Salvation by belief only was later Paul’s theme. John 3:16 isn’t something Jesus said, it’s something John said (or later writers posing as John).
If you read only Mark, Matthew and Luke, skip all the magical stuff, you get a Jesus that’s more humanist than God-son. There’s some good stuff in John as well, but it’s like eating bangus there, you have to keep on plucking out the bones. But the point is don’t bother with Paul’s letters.
So different interpretations elicit different dogmas. But Humanism, then and now, have been compatible with various faiths, they are not exclusive. But because faith is easier without the use of human reason, less inclined individuals will opt for the less rational expressions of faith, delusion vs. reason.
A reasonable person will know the difference between faith and delusion. That’s not to say most of the faithful aren’t delusional, because that’s also a very real component to this. But faith and reason can be reconciled, many reasonable faithful individuals have, these days they represent the minority not the majority.
When Germany during WWII was trying to make an atom bomb, their scientists poured over the Vedic texts. When the Americans were the first, Oppenheimer quoted Vishnu, surely because of all the ex-German scientists at his disposal: “Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.”
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LCpl_X,
There are many interpretations of Christianity, and I myself have my own radical interpretation… as yours is.
It is true that John 3:16 is not something Jesus said… but it is consistent with the last sentence of the preceding verse which is a “direct” Jesus quote.
You have gone meta. If one denies the verse, then which other verse is not acceptable? On what truth does the Bible stand?
And if one denies that specific verse, one denies the whole of the Christian salvation paradigm — as it is conventionally understood, taught and transmitted.
The centrality of Christianity lies in Jesus, and the centrality of Jesus is his death on the cross for the redemption of the sins of mankind that they may have eternal life. This is the core message of John 3:16.
My original point was that Christianity is exclusionary (of nonbelievers, thieves, liars, adulterers and LGBTs) and, therefore, is not all-embracing as secular humanism would be.
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“The centrality of Christianity lies in Jesus, and the centrality of Jesus is his death on the cross for the redemption of the sins of mankind that they may have eternal life.”
This centrality, IMHO, is up for grabs, hence interpretations and hence the popularity right now of Pope Francis who is preaching not of exclusion but inclusion. Exclusionary is easy, it’s basically bleacher-thinking (yaaaay!!! for us, booooo!!! for them), and it works with the less discerning among us, because it does satiate our sense of belongingness within groups.
But once more people are prone to reason and the use of rational thought processes, like in Europe and the US (although the Bible belt has been pushing back), the whole notion of belief as part of a skewed system of rewards and punishment, both eternal, become dubious. So it’s up for grabs, and Pope Francis, although careful in his political maneuverings, as any pilot of a big ship in shallow waters must do.
And it’s not just the Catholic Pope, other Christians have become inclusive, shifting their thinking more along the lines of Humanist ethos. Islam is a long way now, but before oil was found in Arabia, thus empowering Wahhabi Islam by way of petro-dollars, Sufism was the most popular interpretation, which espouses inclusivity. And when you line up these faiths, compare and contrast honestly thru text and history, they all go back to Buddhist precepts, which is to have less and serve people more.
Christian centrality need not be John 3:16, is my point here.
To connect this to the fracking thread and the stewardship thread. Filipinos need to start thinking for themselves, this returns us to being discerning readers of the press or any corpus of knowledge for that matter.
Most Filipinos are devout Catholics, yet next to zero read the Bible much less the New Testament. They don’t read and interpret for themselves, relying instead on the act of going to church rather than actually listening to the lessons taught-and many times the lessons taught in church are absurd, ie. the typhoon happened because you didn’t vote for this guy or that. That kind of absurdity, and that’s the accepted norm.
So there’s again a positive loop here.
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LCpl_X,
As I said there can be many radical interpretations of Christianity, but your insistence that John 3:16 is NOT the core of Christianity is misplaced.
To reinterpret it in any other way than in the conventional accepted sense is to reject the role of Jesus and, therefore, to reject Christianity. Any other reinterpretation would make Christianity no longer Christianity.
Sure there are many Christians who do not adhere to all the tenets and precepts of the faith, who are inhumane at one end and “humanistic” at the other end, but not one would deny the core message of John 3:16. If they do deny, they would not be Christians.
The inclusionary drive of Francis is mere facade, a tourniquet to staunch the flow away from the church. It’s more soft approach, tone and style than anything else. He says one thing, and the Vatican goes, “No, no, he doesn’t mean that.” It’s all talk; there is no substance to it. Proof: Has any church dogma or doctrine been changed?
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Guys (and gals) this is a very fruitful dialogue and we can fill this whole thread with interpretations, whether popular ones or radical ones. For example, more Evangelical Christians here are a lot more accepting of gays, more Christians here focus on having less and doing more, they are a lot more open to stewardship of the environment, maybe not completely denying John 3:16, but shifting the focus from this doctrine to the other more relevant doctrine–have less, do more.
Unlike the Catholic church, Protestants here are less inclined to the top-down hierarchal approach. Maybe you are correct and maybe Pope Francis is just merely performing an elaborate PR stunt to get numbers up, but compare him to the past popes, maybe except for John XXIII, his deeds align more with having less stuff and more serving of people. We can argue Biblical, Textual criticism all day long, but that is basically the point here–
having less stuff and more service to people, how many in the Philippines can say they practice this very Christian tenet? Not very much, and all of us can agree here.
So my focus isn’t so much faith and the doctrines and dogmas of faith, but how to convert all that into practice.
If Filipinos are a lot more inclined to magical thinking, then Catholic leaders will say asinine stuff and no one improves. Kinda like Manny Pacquiao’s mom doing her magical acts during many of his fights. I noticed Filipinos were involved in cults or organizations that cater to cult of personalities-type organizations. So a simple adjustment of focus (if denial is too strong a word) will do the Catholic faith there a lot of good–which is what we are seeing here both Catholics and Christians (Protestants) whether one says denial or a shift of focus, intentionality of deeds have changed for the better when Christians (All) shift their focus from belief=heaven, to having less and doing more=heaven.
But remember that is the only detailed response that cannot be re-interpreted vs. soteriology of belief=heaven, when the guy asks Jesus what can I do to go to heaven? get rid of your things and follow me, in service to others. Everything else is too abstract and hence relegated to interpretation, but having less stuff and doing more for people–you can’t get anymore direct than that.
Mary, you’re appealing to authority I don’t recognize, so forgive me if I don’t comment further on all your points above. Just this point since it’s related,
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Where is current Christian soteriology in that sentence? That belief alone equals heaven. It maybe obvious to you, but if you dissect that statement, without Paul’s version of Jesus transposed, then it’s not so cut and dry. But having less stuff and serving people is clear as day. Same sentiment for John 3:16. Again interpretations matter.
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“…intentionality of deeds have changed for the better when Christians (All) shift their focus from belief=heaven, to having less and doing more=heaven.”
After all that discussion, we come full circle to Micha’s point: “Humanism, a more coherent and reality-based form of faith.”
If I may be allowed to paraphrase her point into the form of a question: Why not completely eschew belief=heaven because it not only detracts but makes impossible the realization of heaven=earth?
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“a question: Why not completely eschew belief=heaven because it not only detracts but makes impossible the realization of heaven=earth?”
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That’s now a theological point, and eschewing one over the other assumes correct interpretation. I can argue that John 3:16 is not from Jesus, and also argue that having less, doing more=heaven and that was actually Jesus’ point, not so much Paul’s belief=heaven, but in the end I don’t know, and there’s no way to prove my interpretation.
So that’s where faith comes in, which can take a variety of forms we’ve already listed. Micha assumes a certain level of confidence, I don’t. Beyond your 5 (hell, even 6 senses), anything goes. Hence the compatibility of Humanism to other faiths, which simply means using human reason.
To Mary’s point, on seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is (like Micha’s point) assumes a certain level of authority–that you know the Holy Spirit to be true and that the Holy Spirit is infallible, when in fact the doctrine for the Holy Trinity was officialized about 400 hundred years after Jesus died, after a lot of drama.
That to me isn’t reasonable. For example Hercules and Helen of Troy were supposed to be begotten from Greek gods and those stories can be traced back around the same time the Old Testament was written, same with Vedic texts, so on what grounds can you say this is so and that is so, but not this.
So my point all along has been that where human reason reaches a limit, people have to rely on faith and these stories that create meaning for us have to then be entertained, but the fact that you can’t use divine guidance of the Holy Spirit to interpret Vedic or Ancient Greek texts, means the Holy Spirit is biased, hence an appeal to an authority not universally recognize.
For example how exactly would one use the guidance of the Holy Spirit when determining if other holy texts from the same age is kosher or not?
Micha’s point seem to assume that Humanism was a superior faith. And that comparison doesn’t strike me a reasonable, since you have to disprove other faiths to make that assumption work, and there’s no way of doing that.
So it’s false equivalency, that Humanism when compared to other faiths is somehow superior–simply because Humanism isn’t a type of faith. So to Micha’s point, I reject that Humanism is a form of faith, to me Humanism is merely the use of human intellect, which you can then compare to other pursuits of human intellect, but not to faith.
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“Micha’s point seem to assume that Humanism was a superior faith.”
False logic? Use Occam’s Razor.
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“Humanism does not postulate the existence of a deity or deities. Therefore, it is one assumption less than all religions. It posits that “human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or a god.” – (Wikipedia) as posted by sir edgar lores
I sincerely hope that the majority of mankind will not be for humanism ONLY, if the above explanation of the term is absolutely true.
In that explanation, I will the assume that its proponents would like a Godless society, they are depending on the principle that “human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or a god.” We all know that the human being is not perfect. We all see and observe several proofs of that all around. Without God, each one will go his own way trusting his own understanding of being ethical and moral. Without God, he will not fear the consequence of what he is doing. We all hear a common excuse – Sorry, tao lang.
The Bible is a rich source of knowledge and wisdom – to be ethical and moral:
Proverbs 9:10 –
9 Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For by me your days will be multiplied, And years of life will be added to you.…
Matthew 22:37
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
Matthew 22:39
And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
The love of God is the first and great commandment, and the sum of all the commands of the first table. Our love of God must be sincere, not in word and tongue only. All our love is too little to bestow upon him, therefore all the powers of the soul must be engaged for him, and carried out toward him. To love our neighbour as ourselves, is the second great commandment. There is a self-love which is corrupt, and the root of the greatest sins, and it must be put off and mortified; but there is a self-love which is the rule of the greatest duty: we must have a due concern for the welfare of our own souls and bodies. And we must love our neighbour as truly and sincerely as we love ourselves; in many cases we must deny ourselves for the good of others. By these two commandments let our hearts be formed as by a mould. – Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary
I belong to a Christ centered, bible based born again Christian denomination.
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Mary,
Fear not. We have adapted the first and second greatest commandments into a secular setting.
Follow this thread:
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Di ba ako’y tao lang na
Nadadarang at natutukso rin – excerpts from the song “Hiram” by Zsa Padilla
No more reply button so I have to copy paste here for easy reference, thank you for the link.
edgar lores says:
Mary,
Fear not. We have adapted the first and second greatest commandments into a secular setting.
Follow this thread:
What a lively, informative and refreshing thread, the whole blog article is, actually… I miss cha and chit. and cornball here… You guys are all articulate, I enjoyed the wit and wisdom.
I completely missed this particular blog and I wondered why until I saw the date. That’s the month that I had the Medical City as my forwarding address hahaha.. otherwise I would have joined.
LCpl_X, Edgar,
As for me, I believe the Bible defines Christianity – a term derived from the name of Jesus Christ, the Creator of the world.
Proof: Has any church dogma or doctrine been changed?
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He would be killed if he changed dogma so soon, hence changing dogma through practice, ie. accepting gays, Atheists, having less and doing more. This may not be complete changes, but does lay the ground work for another interpretation of Christian soteriology–that of having less and doing more, which is consistent with other faiths, both big and small (That’s why the Haj in Mecca is performed the way it is performed–with less and focus on people).
So no, no church dogma/doctrine has been changed, but the Pope’s actions (and interviews) at least undermines if not completely changed Church doctrine. The question is if the Catholic church in the Philippines is aligned with their new Pope’s thoughts on having less and doing more–maybe the people, but Catholic clergy I’ve come in contact with, I doubt it.
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Francis is NOT accepting of the “intrinsically disordered.” That is a furphy.
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“To reinterpret it in any other way than in the conventional accepted sense is to reject the role of Jesus and, therefore, to reject Christianity.”
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What is convention but essentially just about a bunch of guys agreeing on something. Christians didn’t all always agree that God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit was one and the same, so why is it so impossible to believe that this interpretation and thus dogma is also subject to change? Remember everything is up for grabs.
For one interpretation to succeed for another, use of violence has to be justified (heathens, hypocrites) and backing of powerful kings and queens have to be sought and solidified. So it’s not so much what is convention and what isn’t, but rather who is more committed.
Commitment doesn’t necessarily equal correct interpretation of scripture,
it just means one school of thought was more committed than the other. So again all is still up for grabs.
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“What is convention but essentially just about a bunch of guys agreeing on something.”
We are not arguing convention. We are arguing about core definition.
And, yes, if there are no core definitions, then there is no clarity. And if there is no clarity, then, yes, everything is up for grabs. And that ultimately equates to anarchy… an anarchy interspersed by temporary dominion of the temporary strongest.
This, I am afraid, is the current situation.
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We are not arguing convention. We are arguing about core definition.
And, yes, if there are no core definitions, then there is no clarity. And if there is no clarity, then, yes, everything is up for grabs. And that ultimately equates to anarchy… an anarchy interspersed by temporary dominion of the temporary strongest.
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These core definitions were agreed upon de jure by conventions and de facto by riots, violence in the streets.
So they are up for grabs, constantly. And yes that is my point that much of this relies on chaos, in a constant flux of dispersed ideas , to consolidation of ideas, and back again to dispersed ideas. That in essence is the nature of power.
The sense of clarity is nothing more that consolidation of ideas. It’s an illusion, a Joseph Smith (Mormon Church) or an L.Ron Hubbard (Scientology) can just as easily come into the picture and just as simply convert people, by way of coercion or a good lunch.
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Name one Christian denomination that does not accept the salvation paradigm, that is, the promise of Heaven. (Caveat: salvation may not necessarily be through Jesus.)
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Further: If clarity is an illusion, why are we discussing anything at all?
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Why should something emanating from the bible be subject to an approval as doctrines to be recognized. The bible was written thousands of years ago, so you mean to say that if it has been approved and recognized 400 years ago, then it’s only then the faithful should start to believe and be guided accordingly. I find it unacceptable, so now maybe, like Jose Rizal, I will be considered heretic.
The bible said that Jesus told his apostles to wait as God will give them a gift when he returns to Heaven. That gift was the Holy Spirit which enabled the apostles to speak and understand different languages to the amazement of the others, to heal the sick like Jesus did, to have a gift of words so much so that multitudes were converted.
No other books can compare with the current best sellers. It has endured the test of times. It does need to be declared a doctrine by some modern or ancient church to be universally recognized.
“…..Jesus Christ, the Creator of the world.”
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I thought he has a Father who created everything’s, including him? 👼
@jameboy,
These are two of the verses that say Jesus Christ is God and is the Creator of the world:
John 1:1-3
I use the KJB only.
One of the sites where you can read it.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org
My notes on the KJB (aka KJV) can be found here:
http://j.mp/rp-kjv
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Beginning: Word
Word with God
Word was God
He was with God
Through him everything were made
Without him, there’s nothing.
Question: Who was the ‘Word’?
Who was God?
Who was He?
Why too much play on words? 👀
I think all things (God, religion, etc.) we’re talking about comes from our sense of fear of the unknown. We want our physical existence to have a sense of mission or relevance so we connect spirituality to it. The very essence if our physical being extinguished by death cannot be accepted as the end of everything. So the struggle continues even in death.
Our need to continue our existence drives us to think of the whys and hows and the very convenient reason to pursue such thinking is the creation of a supreme being.
Everything is human, everything by man. ☝
@jameboy
“Everything is human, everything by man. ☝”
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Please tell us about “ancestors.”
Where did yours come from and how, for example, did they learn
to feel, to think, to love, …
btw, regarding your question about “God”:
The very beginning of the Bible,
Genesis 1:1,
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/gen.1.1.kjv
reads thus:
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
“Micha’s point seem to assume that Humanism was a superior faith.”
False logic? Use Occam’s Razor.
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If you’re comparing two similar things, Occam’s Razor would be appropriate, but we are comparing the use of human intellect vs. faith, faith being something not yet lit by human intellect. Example, if archaeologists discover Jesus’ bones hidden somewhere, and beyond doubt it is somehow proven as his, then the Jesus faith comes under the purview of human intellect, definitively. Otherwise, human intellect and faith are not two of the same thing, not even similar, hence Occam’s Razor cannot be employed. How would you employ Occam’s Razor here?
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Name one Christian denomination that does not accept the salvation paradigm, that is, the promise of Heaven. (Caveat: salvation may not necessarily be through Jesus.)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalist_Church_of_America These guys are the closest to Origen’s thoughts on Christian soteriology. This is Origen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen
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Further: If clarity is an illusion, why are we discussing anything at all?
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We’re clarifying our thoughts for this discussion, which is productive. The clarity I was speaking of as illusion was convention, ie “History is a set of lies agreed upon.”–Napoleon Bonaparte.
Or simply just dogma agreed upon. Why wasn’t Origen’s soteriology accepted as the preferred dogma? Surely, he read John’s gospel and Paul’s letters. Everyone’s happy, everyone goes to heaven. Because exclusivity sells, because exclusivity equals power.
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Thank you.
1. This discussion was triggered by Micha’s comment: “Humanism, a more coherent and reality-based form of faith.”
A. ON OCCAM’S RAZOR
2. From Wikipedia, Occam’s Razor is: “The principle states that among competing hypotheses that predict equally well, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove to provide better predictions, but—in the absence of differences in predictive ability—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.”
2.1. Note that Occam’s Razor can be applied to not just “two similar things” but several “competing hypothesis.”
2.2. We are comparing two kinds of faith: (a) religious faith and (b) Humanism. Micha describes the latter as “a more coherent and reality-based form of faith.”
2.2.1. I am aware you say that Humanism is not a type of faith. Arguably, it is. Humanism does not offer a comprehensive solution; it offers an approach to a solution of mankind’s problems. It is faith in man’s rationality to overcome.
2.2.2. There are many kinds of religious faiths but, in this instance, we can take them to be similar in that they postulate the existence of a deity or deities. (Buddhism is an exception; some consider Buddhism to be more philosophy than religion.)
2.2.3. Humanism does not postulate the existence of a deity or deities. Therefore, it is one assumption less than all religions. It posits that “human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or a god.” (Wikipedia)
3. The statement “Micha’s point seems to assume that Humanism was a superior faith” may be an overstatement. I would say Micha’s point is that Humanism is a more logical faith. Why so?
3.1. Micha sees that religions are based on non-scientific “delusions” and that religions have been the cause of endless strife, including armed strife.
3.2. From her view, if we discard religion and turn to Humanism, one cause of strife – perhaps the major cause — would be eliminated. This is not to say that strife will not arise under a Humanistic society. It is only to say that that one cause of strife will no longer rear its ugly head.
3.3. Note her use of the term “coherent.” This is a very important concept and it aligns with Occam’s Razor.
3.4. Her proposition sounds entirely reasonable to me.
3.4.1. You don’t in fact have to disprove religious faith to say humanism is reasonable. It is sufficient to recognize that religion is a source of unnecessary conflict.
3.4.2. And the burden of proof is on religion to prove its claims. As you say, there is no way of disproving religious faith… because one cannot prove a negative.
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B. ON THE UNIVERSALIST CHURCH
4. This Church still adheres to the salvation paradigm. They believe in reconciliation with God, which is Heaven. They believe in universal salvation. They just don’t believe in Hell.
5. You will note my caveat. I was very aware of this church. Some years ago when I took a quiz at Beliefnet.com to find out what faith I belonged to, the answer – to my great surprise — was Unitarian Universalist. Before that, I hadn’t heard of this faith.
C. ON CLARITY
6. Thank you for the clarification.
D. ON ORIGEN
7. Apart from noting a Buddhist influence in his thinking (in the notions of transmigration, karma and the Logos as the Unmanifest), I have no comment. I agree there is substance to your point on power. The more reason to turn towards Humanism, would you not say?
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edgar,
I think we agree more than disagree. We just have two different definitions of humanism and faith.
I don’t belong to the Universalist church, but dated a girl once who did. I was a vocal Atheist then, have since become an agnostic since. From various discussions of members of that church, who themselves were from a variety of faiths (although mostly Christians), I’ve become more docile in attacking other faiths–I used to think that people who entertained such delusions were intellectually inferior.
So when comparing faiths (if we both agree on Humanism as faith, for the sake of discussion let’s say we do) many of which rely on myths, poetry to convey truths of the human condition, some will be deemed less, others more, and if we only base our comparison on the scientific method or logic as the pinnacle of human intellect, then we have to ask if that comparison merits the superiority you have attached to Humanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
My respect for Humanism as a process and not faith, prevents me from comparing it to other faiths. That’s my personal take on this. But from a more practical side, I’ve been to the Mid East, SE Asia and Japan, from a diplomatic point of view, people in general don’t take too kindly when you wage a frontal attack on their faith. The only way to convince people of faith, that Humanism is superior, is not by comparing it as a competing form of faith, but a process altogether different–a process you can use within your faith, with this assumption: “A mind, once expanded by a new idea, never returns to its original dimensions”― Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr.
https://ffrf.org/ That organization represents what I think youre espousing here–that Humanism is superior. Here they are running ads on TV and magazines, which is understandable since the Evangelical block by means of lobbying and funding is powerful. But when you tout Atheism, by extension Humanism, you are not helping Humanism’s cause, but rather minimizing it–this is the reason for my disagreement.
Lastly, as for the Universalist’s view of heaven, they simply put it this way: when you die, there’s only 3 places you can go, nowhere you just rot, or you go to a worst place, or go to a better place, we as Universalists just reject the first two. My point is that you don’t have to have to faith to comprehend that very basic concept of death and where you go after, even a Humanist can entertain those three possibilities, but Humanism doesn’t bother to attempt to define the notion of after life, because there’s just not enough data, it’s beyond our senses–
it takes humongous intellectual balls to understand that, and then feel NO need to control that truth by way of delusions.
Hence the main difference for me, when we speak of faith and Humanism. You feel the need to compare it to other faiths, my confidence in Humanism isn’t in the compare and contrast game but in action–not by comparing it with other faiths, but rather by injecting it to other faiths, so as to improve minds… this is how Humanism has always improved the human condition, and shed light on ignorance, subversively–not as a competing faith.
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Thank you.
If you read my other posts on this blog, you will see that I am a synthesizer. I am a pluralist and I accept that all religious experiences are valid. Not only that. That the universe is big enough and strange enough for all religions — and Humanism — to be true, not only here but cosmologically speaking as well.
Yes, it takes humongous intellectual balls to confront the notion of the possibility of no afterlife, and not to have the comfort of religion. But Humanism takes the view that we can create a better world here and now, a kinder one, a gentler one… without the distraction and hindrance of religion. You say that the humane strain of Humanism should infect exclusive religions, and I agree.
There are religions that are not exclusionary. Buddhism for one, and Hinduism for another. All I am saying, and asking, is that we take Humanism in the same vein.
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I agree there is substance to your point on power. The more reason to turn towards Humanism, would you not say?
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Not so, any system whether based on faith or reason can be used as a means to expand and project power. When it comes to power, the most committed wins, many times that means the ability to use violence.
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Power is not inherently evil. It is just potential. And potential can be turned towards good or towards bad.
It depends on the wielders of power. And there have been good and benevolent rulers in history.
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2.2.1. I am aware you say that Humanism is not a type of faith. Arguably, it is. Humanism does not offer a comprehensive solution; it offers an approach to a solution of mankind’s problems. It is faith in man’s rationality to overcome.
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Faith in God and faith in man are two very different things, although you can use reason to understand both.
Faith in God, implies the understanding of that which is supernatural, faith in man implies that which is natural, limited to the 5 senses.
You are transposing two very different concepts of faith here, edgar, ie. I believe in God vs. I believe in you.
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Not necessarily. Your logic is based on a dichotomy which may be false. That dichotomy is that Man and God are separate entities.
It is entirely possible that God is in Man, and that Man is in God.
So the equation can become: I believe in the God which is within Me, and I believe in the God which is within You.
Namaste.
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It is entirely possible that God is in Man, and that Man is in God.
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I agree with you here, edgar, this was the lesson of Buddhism, the possibility of man becoming God, as opposed to the Jesus story, later adjusted to God becoming man. Not only is one more reasonable, but it is more practical, since the possibility of all of us becoming greater is inherent.
We differ in application only…
There are religions that are not exclusionary. Buddhism for one, and Hinduism for another. All I am saying, and asking, is that we take Humanism in the same vein.
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And this is why I don’t feel at ease with the notion of comparing Humanism to other faiths. There’s the ideal and there’s reality. Christianity, had Origen been the norm, would also have been non-exclusionary.
Buddhism in Thailand is mandatory, and the majority of young monks deal drugs and porn. Buddhists are responsible for burning Muslims in Burma. The current PM of India was complicit in inciting several riots which resulted in thousands of Muslim deaths.
Other faiths promote magical thinking, when people are prone to magical thinking, they will always be open to doing crazy things, such is the nature of magical thinking.
Power is not inherently evil. It is just potential. And potential can be turned towards good or towards bad.
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I agree, but thus far our only examples of subscribed Atheists wielding power are few and they have all for the most part waged considerable suffering to humanity.
Unless you can cite examples of Humanists wielding power which resulted in no blood lost, I know of none, the best course of action is to not be overly optimistic of Humanism’s potential.
Maybe Humanists can ensure small wars occur instead of bigger wars, but the difference then is in degree not kind. Maybe to ensure these powerful Humanists remain unsullied is by ensuring the power they wield is small.
I don’t share your optimism re Humanist in power, because the only truly peaceful people I know are the once who’ve done the most violent acts.
Humanism though has endless potential, as long as it doesn’t become just another faith. As long as we recognize that a great majority of people NEED to know what will happen to them after death. And people who say that there is no NEED are automatically suspect.
Hence the best application of Humanism is subtlety.
But I’ll gladly take this difference in thought with you, edgar, since you represent the only Filipino Humanist I ‘know’.
Most Filipinos I met were not only fastidiously devout in their rituals, but equally as ignorant of not only their own espoused religion but of others. My question to you now is how many are you in the Philippines? And is there a group of like minds there, or is this largely an individual pursuit?
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Thank you.
1. We have advanced closer to a common understanding, but we are not THERE yet.
2. As I reflect upon it, I do not think we will ever get THERE because there is something lacking in our methodology of thinking and discussion.
3. Let me go meta and analyse part of it. The general pattern seems to be dialectical in nature like this:
3.1. Someone makes a generalization (thesis) – be it an observation, a fact, a principle, or an ideal.
3.2. Then another cites an exception either with the intention of (a) clarifying or expanding the generalization (co-thesis); or (b) disproving the generalization (antithesis). Usually it’s antithesis.
3.3. Point and counterpoint follow.
3.4. Sometimes a synthesis occurs but most often not.
4. Example:
4.1. Observer A agrees with Susan Sontag in her general observation that Buddhism is the “highest spiritual moment of humanity.”
4.2. Observer B comes along and cites the exception that Buddhists are responsible for burning Muslims in Burma.
4.3. Observer A counters that the Buddhists in Burma are not real Buddhists because they are not following the primary ethical precept of that religion, which is “Do no harm”.
5. Item 4.2 is an inductive variant of argument by exception. You will find this type of argumentation everywhere in this post, in this blogsite and in the whole of the blogosphere and social media. (This is why discussions are endless.)
6. I will posit the following four axioms:
6.1. Generalizations (universals) have a semblance or kernel of truth.
6.2. All generalizations have exceptions (positive/negative particulars). (Including this item perhaps.)
6.3. Exceptions do not generally disprove the generalization. However, an exception can disprove the generalization.
6.4. If an exception disproves the generalization, then the generalization merely had a semblance, but not a kernel, of truth.
7. To expand on the axioms:
7.1. A generalization has validity (or invalidity) in terms of truth. I will define “truth” as conformance to reality or, to be more precise, conformance to our current understanding of reality (episteme). And by reality I refer to phenomena in space and in time — past, present and future.
7.2. An exception, a negative one (untrue), does not necessarily invalidate the generalization. “Buddhists burning Muslims in Burma” does not invalidate the generalization that Buddhism is conceivably the highest of religions. In the same manner that “Philippine Catholic senators stealing the country blind” does not invalidate Catholicism, much less Christianity.
7.3. An exception, a positive one (true), may indeed invalidate the generalization. It was thought before that all swans were white, so the general proposition that all swans are white was generally accepted as true and was valid. Then in 1790 black swans were discovered in Australia… and this exception invalidated the general proposition. (I will not go into the subtleties that the proposition was invalid from the start. Subjective reality, whether individual or collective, trumps objective reality. And a thing may be said to not exist until it is posited or discovered.)
7.4. A generalization that is not invalidated by exceptions is a positive generalization. Conversely, a generalization that can be invalidated by an exception is a negative generalization.
8. Let me go meta further one level up.
9. The generalization and the exception(s) are products of thought as the mind contemplates phenomena (reality). And thoughts are the product of how we see, which is our conditioning. And our conditioning is the totality of our culture, the influence of our parents, our peers, our church, our education, our club, our society and all the things we have been exposed to: the shows we have watched, the books we have read, the websites we have surfed, the conversations we have had. This conditioning constitutes the prism through which we see things. (Our subjective prisms, both collective and individual, do not carry the same colors, the same hues, the same intensities, and the same order.)
9.1. Thought is a tool. It may be used to form solutions… but it can also be a problem.
9.2. Obviously, American sensibilities are different from Filipino sensibilities, and Mariano’s sensibilities are quite, quite different from others.
10. So the question arises: Can we see without conditioning? Can the doors of perception be cleansed? Poets (Blake) and mystics (Krishnamurti) think they can be; I agree with them. But on the evidence, the general answer is no.
9.2. Thought is our primary modality of consciousness. Perhaps it shouldn’t be.
10.1. If we cannot see beyond conditioning, how do we determine what generalizations are positive (true) and which ones are negative (false)? Similarly, we can ask the same question of exceptions.
10.2. Beyond the empiricism of scientific observation and verification, and beyond verification by statistical data, we cannot so determine except by intuition or logic or consensus. None are conclusive determinants. Faith is a conclusive determinant – subjectively speaking.
11. The value of dialogue is that generalizations can be buttressed by logic and can be determined to be positive or negative by agreement. But for logic to work it must be consensually accepted. Where agreement cannot be reached, we will have to blithely deny the Other or accept the plurality of truth. I hereby call this point the point of no returns (plural) because there is longer any gain that can be derived… at the present moment. (I am eternally optimistic.)
11.1. We may have reached that point. So I will not offer any counterpoints except this: It may be that no Humanist ruler can avoid the shedding of blood until a great majority accept diversity and pluralism, both secular and sectarian, and practice Humanism in full consciousness. (Ashoka is an example of a warrior-king turned Humanist.)
12. As to your last questions, I do not know of any Unitarian Universalists in the Philippines… and I have moved far, far away from that position. I believe I constitute a majority of one.
And I thank you for the privilege.
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It may be that no Humanist ruler can avoid the shedding of blood until a great majority accept diversity and pluralism, both secular and sectarian, and practice Humanism in full consciousness. (Ashoka is an example of a warrior-king turned Humanist.)
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edgar, I totally agree. We get the leaders we deserve.
Right after high school I went straight to bootcamp, I figured college wasn’t for me. When they asked me what my religious preference was, I said Atheist (that’s how sure I was then). And the clerk typed No Religious Preference. I would realize later on that it was actually the most apt identification, the opposite of having a particular religious preference wasn’t Atheist or Agnostic, rather it’s No Religious Preference.
A few years later, Atheist and Agnostic became a choice. Many opted for these choices, as opposed to the general No Religious Preference–understandably so, you don’t get so many choices in the military, when they ask you which you prefer and there’s all these choices you become excited at the chance to define yourself.
A few years after that, suicides and drug use and other illicit activities became rampant as a result of the wars and deployment tempo, and in trying to fight this scourge a variety of studies were done. Several found a positive correlation to the problems at hand with the lack of religious preference, either No Religious Preference or Atheist or Agnostic–and now Humanist.
So these studies were sent up to all the various commands in an effort to easily identify potential problems. Word got out, and civilian atheist/Humanist groups cried discrimination. Religious groups found out, and so used the studies as evidence to the dangers and public safety issue of non-belief.
Marines, especially at 18 or 20 years of age when they choose those religious/non-religious identifiers, don’t really know about atheism, or agnosticism, or humanism, aside from the most simplistic definitions, and would extend that to everyone else who label themselves such. It’s largely an individual pursuit.
When these labels and identifiers get used willy-nilly, you end up misrepresenting your beliefs, and give more fodder for believers to denigrate the concept of Humanism, Agnostic, Atheist. The ideal is for these concepts to elevate man, but at the granular level, you don’t easily get to slap either title on your forehead and thus you become it, it’s a very abstract individual journey.
I have still yet to fully define or corral my beliefs and I hope I never do. I’m looking at my dog tags right now, and I’m fine with just NO RELIGIOUS PR.
I offer this story not so much as a counterpoint but as a sort of fable about self-identification, and the problems of taking high abstract concepts and making them easy titles you haphazardly slap on a dog-tag, your personnel records and yourself.
I do agree with your ideals here, my experience just don’t confirm with your optimism when equating concepts to religious titles (the ideas, the ideals I’m more optimistic of), but let me turn this around back to you. This was a great discussion, but I was more taken with the way you think, so I did check out your link above and I also found your Ethics articles.
I’m attempting to write an article about an ACLU in the Philippines. In researching, and also in past threads, education again and again is clearly where we can fix the bulk of the problems there. I was lucky right after high school, the people in charge of me in the Marines taught me the Greek Classics, I also got a heavy dose of Japanese martial culture and philosophy. I was blessed with a great base library.
My question to you is how you came to think this way, how did you sharpen your thought process. Thought is tool, I agree, I would go further to describe it as weapon. Because if the Philippines is to be a truly worthy ally of the US visavis China, then the more of you there are the easier this alliance would be, then truly of two nations of equal standing.
How were you educated?
Did you have to leave the Philippines to learn how to think this way?
Do you think it’s possible to re-create your education now in the Philippines?
How would you do this?
I know there are no public libraries in the Philippines, can your education be done by those who will only gain a high school education?
What books were available in the Philippines, still now, that you can list as transformational?
What books would you recommend now?
Were there groups in the Philippines that helped you hone your intellect?
As one of the solutions to the ACLU article, I’m trying to describe a curriculum that would not only teach wisdom and character, but the sharpening of intellect, which all ideally should lead to moral courage, which is what’s lacking amongst lawyers and journalists there.
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Thank you.
1. I totally agree with you about labelling. I do not know what I am. I have Humanistic tendencies but am not a Humanist. I have Buddhistic tendencies but am not a Buddhist. And I have sexual tendencies but am not a maniac.
2. Tough questions you ask. Where to begin?
3. Let me begin with this delineation of my thinking process with respect to any issue: https://joeam.com/2015/04/09/in-defense-of-knowledge-philippine-victimhood-the-sequel/#comment-117770.
3.1. Note JoeAm’s comment in the last post of the thread: “I know some people are naturally gifted in cognition, and I suspect it can also be taught.”
3.2. This begs the question: Is cognitive ability Nature or Nurture?
4. I think it is both. Brief answers:
4.1. Nature: In the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), I am an introvert so I am naturally inclined to introspection. In the Enneagram, I am a Reformer (rational and idealistic) and a Thinker (perceptive and cerebral).
4.2. Nurture: I would say my formal education has little to do with my bent. I read Political Science at a second-rate university. Perhaps more importantly, I had a professor in the Humanities who became a close personal friend, and who greatly influenced my taste and appreciation in the finer things in life. However, he did not influence my thinking per se.
4.3. I am largely self-taught… by introspection and intuition. My mental model of enquiry I would trace to three sources: (a) the variety of viewpoints about life and the universe from my voluminous readings; (b) the variety of religious experiences; and (c) my profession as a computer analyst.
5. Reading. I can no longer recall the reasons why certain books influenced me except to say that they broadened my vision. Fiction, works of the imagination, may have contributed more to the broadening of my horizons. Here is a smattering of a baker’s dozen of nonfiction books that molded me, in no particular order:
o Fromm. Erich: “Escape from Freedom”
o Hoffer, Erich: “The True Believer”
o Frankl, Victor: “Man’s Search for Meaning”
o Krishnamurti, Jiddu: “The Awakening of Intelligence” (and all his other books)
o Pirzig, Robert: “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”
o Isaacson, Walter: “Einstein: His Life and Universe”
o Nouy, Pierre Lecomte du: “Human Destiny”
o Pearce, Joseph Chilton: “The Crack in the Cosmic Egg”
o Capra, Fritjof: “The Tao of Physics”
o Lightman, Alan: “The Accidental Universe”
o Palmo, Jetsunma Tenzin: “Into the Heart of Life”
o Roberts, Jane: “Seth Speaks”
o Jung, C.G.: “The Undiscovered Self”
6. Religion. I have a checkered history in religion, which makes one skeptical of absolutes… and the ultimate ground of being. In the last decade or so, I have become enamored of Buddhistic thinking with its primary approach of enquiry. Instead of saying, “Do not steal,” it asks, “What are the root causes of stealing?” Instead of invoking the imperative mode, it invokes the interrogative mode. This is not to say that the religion is not prescriptive, but the analytical mode and the nuances of Buddhist thought are astonishing and penetrative, and the consequent clarity is astonishing and persuasive. Note that countries with Buddhist majorities are not particularly advanced economically speaking. But then, in spite of Jesus’ spurning of the rich and riches, America has turned Christianity into a religion of prosperity… and where America leads many follow.
7. Computer analyst. At the core of the computer profession is Systems Thinking. Analysis under this methodology is not simple linear cause-and-effect, but what du Nouy calls “process thinking” that considers overall scope; alternative approaches; multiple components, variables and parameters; and their interactions. It is cyclic, and includes control loops and feedback mechanisms.
7.1. Systems thinking is goal oriented. It may be applicable to solving particular practical systemic problems but may not be applicable to theoretical problems. Buddhist thinking is arguably systems thinking, broader in scope as it examines the human condition, but even Buddhism shuns the theistic question.
8. Whenever someone mentions education as the ultimate solution, an idea which I used to agree with, something in me now cringes. Who is going to teach? And what are they going to teach?
8.1. There are few inspirational teachers. None of the books listed above can serve as a textbook.
8.2. While some things from the above can be taught, such as systems thinking, it is not ultimately methodology that is important but life skills and attitude (or character in your terms). Given man’s contrariness, attitude is difficult to teach because there are certain assumptions (like concepts of virtue) that underlie it. These assumptions are mostly a matter of faith. (One example, in my case, is that the universe is purposive. Another is that truth is plural and even relative (postmodernism).)
8.3. We have to recognize that not all men are educable to the same minimum level. Most people want certitude (and pleasure) in their lives and will never be comfortable with an open attitude of enquiry. (As you say it takes humongous balls not to have the comfort of religion.)
8.3.1. I have always thought that education should discover the vocation of the individual. Psychological profiling and aptitude tests should be administered at regular intervals to guide the child’s path into a choice of vocation in consonance with the child’s natural preference. Some children know what they want to become at an early age (perhaps from parental orientation); but most don’t. Some find their true vocation after they have made a preliminary or even a secondary choice. All efforts of growth and development – whether as butcher, baker or candlestick maker — should be encouraged with no (or minimum) manipulation.
8.3.2. There is nothing as distressing, unproductive and destructive as doing what one does not love for the whole of one’s life.
9. I’m sorry. I may have confused you more than enlightened you. Formal education does not make the man; it only makes for livelihood. Character makes the man; character is destiny (Heraclitus). So, in the end, Nature, and not Nurture, wins.
9.1. Although somewhere along the way education may spark the development of character. If it does, it may be a random stochastic thing. Perhaps coming from the military you might have a different view. Are elite forces made or chosen? I would think there’s a preliminary vetting process from the recruiting side and, on the individual side, a willingness or an ambition to join and even an eagerness to volunteer. Not all can be elite, but everyone can be the best… within their own capacity and capability. This is what education should bring forth.
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edgar,
On the nature vs. nurture point re the elite in the military. I’m on the side of nurture, both military and in forming depth of character.
Once the Continental Army and Navy were stood up in 1775, the Navy formed the Marine Corps under the Navy. So the first “elite” unit in the US military is arguably the Marines. The first foreign military operation was undertaken in 1804 by former Tunis consul William Eaton, 8 US Marines and 2 Navy officers (along with local forces) to capture Tripoli (Libya).
Fastforward today, and there is a Special Operations Command, with Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, Special Forces, even Marine Raiders under this one banner. These units have an extensive selection process to weed out unlikely candidates. They would be of the nature camp.
The US Marine Corps, 1 of 4 military branches, is not exclusively elite like the units mentioned above. Marine culture is best described as inclusively elite, nurture is the underlying purpose of the indoctrination process, which is bootcamp (90%+ pass bootcamp, it’s not designed as a selection process).
But of the 3 other branches, the Marine Corps stands-out, not because bootcamp is physically difficult (because Army runs a similar program, not as intense but close enough). The difference is in enculturation, basically every Marine becomes part of that 1775 Corps of Marines and all Marine past, present, future. The concept of elite isn’t selected out, but added in.
Along with culture, is an almost singular sense of purpose which is the Marine fire team, everyone in infantry is in support of that smallest of unit; everyone not infantry but in combat arms (armored, artillery, tanks, etc.) is in support of the fire team; everyone not combat arms is in support of the fire team.
So in the Marine Corps, unlike SOCOM, it is the culture, not so much the individual men, that represent the concept of elite. From that, eliteness seeps into individual Marines–don’t get me wrong many will just settle for simply basking in that concept, but many more internalize that elite ideal and live it.
That’s the bias from which I’m coming from.
I believe excellence in body and thought can be transferred–don’t have to be born with it.
How is the question. And this is what I’m attempting to coax out of you. I can offer examples but it will be from an American and military experience. Someone (you) who came from the Philippine experience, developed a sharpened intellect, would be a better candidate to describe the replication of this education–
and by education I mean the holistic development of said intellect, not just from formal schooling.
So allow me to dig deeper here:
“8. Whenever someone mentions education as the ultimate solution, an idea which I used to agree with, something in me now cringes. Who is going to teach? And what are they going to teach?”
For say lawyers or journalists, or any other field, do you think this systems thinking approach can be taught? What you are describing seem similar to military mindset.
As to your Who is going to teach? question, do you need a qualified teacher or is this undertaking since it was largely self-taught to you, best presented not so much by a traditional lecture type teacher, but more like waiters serving quality nutritious meals (buffet style) in a fine dining setting.
The What are they gonna teach?, I was hoping you can explore further. Books and talking to people prepared me for going to the Middle East and SE Asia, but without experience on the ground, there would have been no galvanizing of thoughts for me.
As for depth-of-character, in a very recent trip to Africa, I was standing at a busy intersection, when I saw a man with no legs attempt to cross the street. When in Rome… I figured some of the locals would help, I was hoping, but I wasn’t going to stick out,
so I just kept watching, as the cripple neared the other side, sure enough a truck clips his arm and breaks it from the elbow down. Writhing in pain, people just kept on with their business. I know I was supposed to help, had it been back stateside, the whole intersection would have been at a stand still.
I still get nightmares, not so much of what I witnessed, I’ve seen worst, but the fact that I didn’t do anything–simply carrying about 60 pounds of weight across pre-empting the bloody accident was all that was needed.
So when I talk about ethics and character and wisdom, it doesn’t have to be constant, it can be conditional, but when you attempt to rationalize an incident when you’ve failed in front of yourself, you should be unsettled. How do you teach that?
In the Philippines, I saw a homeless kid (could’ve been one of those kids JoeAm pictured above eating their rice) get beat up by older guys, 2 other homeless kids looked-on, his friends (maybe brothers). Every ounce in me wanted to get in there, but what if other variables presented themselves?
Conjuring up that memory, I automatically fill with anger, again at having faltered, but more on the fact that this was accepted. So you see nature is a luxury we shouldn’t entertain when discussing solutions, because nurture is the only way out, we just need to figure out how. And then tackle the details.
edgar, too much is at stake here to simply just say nature, so if you can dig more, please do. There’s gotta be a way to teach all this there. thanks.
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This discussion is going deeper and deeper.
1. Before going back to the Nature vs. Nurture issue, let me add another source for my open-minded mentality. I mentioned three: reading, religion and profession. The fourth is trans-cultural shock.
1.1. In Piaget’s stages of cognitive development, the concrete operational stage is between the ages of 7 to 12. In the preceding stage, the preoperational stage, a child is able to perform abstract reasoning, but thinking is largely based on intuition and not on complete logic. By age 7, a child has completely formed an understanding of the immediate world — his primary cosmic egg — the shell of which is bounded by parents, school, church, love and play activities.
1.2. Imagine me then at age 8 being transported from the cocoon of Oahu to a primitive coastal town in northern Philippines. It was a leap from paradise to a hellhole, a beautiful hellhole maybe, but a hellhole nevertheless. A child is adaptable, but the culture shock I suffered at that pre-TV age was traumatic, and the tremors reverberated well into young adulthood.
1.3. In the new global village with cutting-edge technology in communications, children are now exposed to the wider world at a young age. They are not so much affected by the vagaries of cultural diversity, indeed they may appreciate the novelties offered by other cultures, and even crave for them, but I think their moorings may not be too deep.
1.4. The salutary effects of trans-cultural exposure can be seen in the heightened awareness of our overseas workers, although in my case the experience was retrogressive. From your stories, you yourself have learned much from your travels. These experiences of trans-cultural enlightenment should be incorporated into the curriculum at a deeper level than memorizing the countries of the world and their capitals. The use of audiovisual aids may not truly convey the taste, the smell, the noise, the ideas, and the behaviour of other cultures, but it would be a good start. It should be noted that many schools now support visits to other countries.
2. On nature vs. nurture. I believe you may have glanced over one of my points, which is that men are born equal but are not created equal.
2.1. There is a difference between capacity (Nature) and capability (Nurture). Capabilities can be taught… indeed to a very high degree but still only to a certain degree. Men can be so programmed in body and mind (enculturated in your terms) that they can perform to the level in which they have been trained. But as you admit for certain elite forces, there is “an extensive selection process to weed out unlikely candidates.”
2.2. Many men can become SEALs, but only a few can become SEAL commanders. And behind the SEALs are a whole hierarchy of other personnel engaged in administrative support, intelligence, logistics, strategy, communications, training, medical, etc. So there exists a range of different capacities and different capabilities.
2.3. Nature is not a luxury. It is a given. As such, it is something we have to work with.
2.4. My point is that education should bring out the best in capability according to the individual’s capacity. (Sounds like communism: from each according to his ability…) I am not being elitist. As I have said, education should try to identify the specific capability of each individual and help to develop their true and full potential. In this sense, education is elitist… but at the individual level.
2.5. So the HOW (of teaching excellence) is dependent on the WHO (the recipient of the teaching) and the WHAT (excellence in a vocation). We can disregard the WHEN and the WHY: excellence is the raison d’être, and it is needed now.
3. But we are talking specifically of a general excellence as in my open-minded thinking approach, are we not?
3.1. Before we proceed, notice how Josephivo has masterfully stepped into the discussion on drugs and gone back to the reasoning stage of the 5-tier model, specifically in reframing the question.
3.2. And before we proceed further, let us ask the question: Is it practical or even desirable to have the open-ended enquiry mindset that I practice?
4. I was somewhat taken aback by your statement that systems thinking is similar to the military mindset. As I reflect on it, it is true. It is true that the methodology bears resemblance to how the military considers scope, objectives, alternate strategies, contingency planning, detailed implementation steps, monitoring, control and feedback.
4.1. But now as I consider it further, what took me aback was the notion that my open-minded mindset could be remotely compared to military training, and to be found similar.
5. Let me attempt to break it down.
6. Very broadly, education in the military sense consists of two stages: deprogramming and reprogramming (or deconditiong and reconditioning). Bootcamp is deprogramming by applying immense pressure – physical and psychological – on the trainee. This breaks down the trainee’s old cosmic egg and his defenses, and leaves him open to reprogramming in the skills that would make him a perfect soldier. But this reprogramming makes him an automaton. Not to question, but to obey. Not to think, but to act, and to react instinctively. Sensory and hunting skills are brought to the fore.
6.1. In the new cosmic egg of the trainee, specialization, roles and structure are clearly defined.
6.2. On top of this, there is an attempt to foster dependence and camaraderie in such notions as the life of the individual soldier is literally in the hands of his platoon mates (or his unit) and no man will be left behind.
6.3. In all the branches of the armed forces, this mutual survival philosophy is leavened with ideals and mottos such as “Semper Fidelis” to develop esprit de corps.
7. Non-military education, on the other hand, is all about conditioning (or programming) the individual for a productive life within the community. There is no need to decondition, as time is not a constraint. A fully educated individual will spend at least one-third of his life in education, from kindergarten to university.
7.1. The current understanding is that education is about the impartment of knowledge. With the advances in technology, this understanding is being modified to that of imparting the tools for man to acquire and use knowledge. As much as possible, education should give a broad overview of the endeavors of mankind to make the compleat man. At the same time, education should narrow down to developing the life skills of the individual for livelihood.
8. Let us return to my question in item 3.2: Is it practical or even desirable to have the open-ended enquiry mindset that I try to practice?
8.1. Let me add another question: If it is desirable, can it be taught?
8.2. In item 8.2 of my previous post, I stated that apart from methodology (or knowledge in general) and life skills, attitude (or character) is important.
8.3. Here we come to the crux of this discussion. In my view, attitude is primary.
8.4. One can have all the knowledge in the world and one can be the best in one’s field of expertise, but without the proper attitude life becomes a misery. You are a misery onto yourself and you make others miserable.
9. The attitude I am talking about is not a constant ideal of a virtue but a range. Some people have it in minute quantities and others have a half-cup. Very few have a full cup.
9.1. The open-ended enquiry approach that I practice is just one feature of this mindset. And as I have stated, certain assumptions underlie this mindset. I believe the open-ended enquiry approach can be transmitted as I described it under the 5-tier model.
9.2. At its fullest, the mindset I am speaking of is captured in the words “transformation”, “conversion,” “spirit”, or “metanoia”.
9.3. In the military sense, conversion is about esprit de corps. In the non-military sense, it is about the spirit that moves one where “de corps” is the whole of mankind or the Other. It is you seeing the man with no legs crossing the street and being aware of the imperative to help.
9.3.1. But in the military sense, esprit de corps is limited to the brotherhood. It is akin to the exclusive feeling of kinship developed by hazing in college fraternities or by the shared experience of survivors in a calamitous event.
9.4. Ultimately, it is debatable whether conversion is about the full development of conditioning or deconditioning. It may be both… but from my secular view, it is the latter. It is partial or full decondtioning beyond culture, religion, and even beyond education. It is about independence of thought. It is about self-reliance and not dependence on any authority whether politician, priest or pedagogue. It is the ability or the willingness to see things as they are or should be. Beyond thought, spirit is a state of grace.
9.5. The vision is not perfect in all cases or issues. It never is. Sometimes between the seeing and the doing, thought steps in. “Between the idea / And the reality / Between the motion / And the act / Falls the Shadow / For Thine is the Kingdom.” (T.S. Eliot)
10. Can spirit be taught? Not that I am aware of. Spirit requires an internal metamorphosis, and we do not know what triggers it. It is said when Buddha sat under the tree those sitting close to him popped into awakening. But 2,000 years of Christianity has shown that only a few have fully followed in Jesus’ footsteps. And in Zen, the koan or being hit with a stick may not bring the desired result of enligtenment.
10.1. Spirit is a blessing that touches a man, or springs from within a man. It may be a random gift, or an answer given to those who have asked the passionate question.
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1. “A child is adaptable, but the culture shock I suffered at that pre-TV age was traumatic, and the tremors reverberated well into young adulthood.”
I realize in our interaction that you are no average Filipino. As I’ve indicated before, I really think that the Philippines will be saved from itself only by children of Filipinos who have lived abroad or children of mixed ethnicities (Japanese-Filipino, German-, Canadian-, Australian- and American-Filipinos).
You seem to belong to this group, but returned to the Philippines at such a young age that you are also in a different category altogether. I lived in Oahu, other side of Honolulu, for almost a year. The culture in Hawaii, especially Oahu, is very conducive to the attitude you touched on at the end–metanoia.
edgar, do you think you can do a compare and contrast between your 0-8 yrs upbringing, for example school, family, neighborhood life, to that of your 8-16 yrs in rural Philippines?
2. “But this reprogramming makes him an automaton. Not to question, but to obey. Not to think, but to act, and to react instinctively.”
I’d beg to differ, re automaton and the US military. The Marines would probably come the closest to this automaton idea you speak of, but I assure you the quality they instill is the exact opposite of automaton.
In bootcamp the most important trait they hammer is tact. Knowing when to dissent and how to do so diplomatically. Because the next important trait is for a Marine calling bs when he sees it. Of course there’s the chain of command but dissent is there and it is actually encouraged, albeit with tact.
I bring this up, because it’s relevant here. Disagreeableness is part of American culture, it is also part of American military culture. But it isn’t part of Filipino military/police culture, no less of the wider Philippine culture, where being delicate trumps other traits.
Disagreeableness I think plays a big component in what we are discussing here.
3. “It is partial or full de-conditioning beyond culture, religion, and even beyond education. It is about independence of thought.”
I have a better handle on your take of Nature vs. Nurture in education now, edgar. And I tend to agree with you that education must serve to actualize individual pursuits and passions. This should be the ideal.
But my concern is what if the young generation is so inundated with useless things that they become too busy with Japanese pop culture, or when I was there it was moving towards Korean pop culture, that there is just no sense of self–what is there left to actualize then?
So there has to be some sort of nudging involved by people who see in big picture, to encourage the young generation to take up some sort of duty to the wider whole. But if that wider whole–Filipino nation– is so ill defined, that many don’t see it at all, and thus only work for their family or town or political party, then the nation falters.
The nation falters, and America loses its only viable ally in the region.
So your mission now is to connect your answer to 1. compare/contrast and 2. disagreeableness/delicadeza and 3. metanoia/national duty
I’m with good old Robert Heinlein, so when I say ‘duty’ I mean it like this:
‘Do not confuse “duty” with what other people expect of you; they are utterly different. Duty is a debt you owe to yourself to fulfill obligations you have assumed voluntarily. Paying that debt can entail anything from years of patient work to instant willingness to die. Difficult it may be, but the reward is self-respect.’
edgar, I’ll be incorporating some of what we’ve discussed here into the ACLU article in the education portion. I’d like to hear your answers to the above, but this subject (where you’ve lead us) is so relevant and interesting, I was wondering if you can also prepare an article on education to expand on what I’ll be touching on in the coming article per our discussion here. Thanks, man.
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1. Truth to tell, I don’t remember much of my early schooling. But I will point out three items that would stir nationalistic sentiment for country.
1.1. Pledge of allegiance. Each morning there was school assembly for the flag-raising ceremony. At that time, Hawaii was not yet the 50th state, merely a U.S.-owned territory like Guam is now. Nevertheless each morning, we sang “The Star-spangled Banner” and recited “The Pledge of Allegiance.” The pledge is one sentence, less than 30 words, easy to memorize, and the last clause “with liberty and justice for all” especially the last two words, while not conceptually coherent to a child, has a stirring ring to it, a promise of the two highest values for all. For all. (Note at my time, the phrase “under God” had not yet been incorporated.)
1.1.1. The Philippines did not develop a pledge of allegiance until the Ramos administration. I do not know whether it is recited each school day.
1.2. Excursions. I remember more than a couple of excursions, once to see airplanes, another time to the zoo, and still another time to see the cracked Liberty Bell. (I do not know whether it was the real Liberty Bell or just a replica.)
1.2.1. In Oz, 6th graders have an excursion to the national capital, Canberra, to visit the Parliament House and museums, notably the science museum, the Questacon. The Oz Parliament has a unique grand design and is a hallowed hall.
1.2.2. In the US, I do not know whether excursions to the White House and the Capitol building are a must.
1.2.3. In the Philippines, I do not know whether tours to Malacanang Palace, the House of Representatives and the Senate are encouraged. From photographs, I can see that the assembly hall of the lower house has a certain grandiosity of dimensions but the upper house seems to be a low-ceilinged cave. These three are not hallowed halls by association, more like dens of thieves.
1.3. Grounding. The ratio of urban/rural population is 49% to 51%. To have a love for country, one must not only be grounded by culture and traditions but also by Nature. Half of the population is living in or near urban jungles. How many kids have not climbed a tree, taken frequent swims in the sea or a river, and hiked up a mountain?
1.3.1. I have a hypothesis about grounding: patriotism is deeper in countries with four seasons rather than just two. The deeper changes in nature and the beauty of the changes evoke a deeper love for country. Also consider that Nature in the Philippines can be treasonous and very destructive.
2. To foster the love of country, there must be an attachment to its reality and to its symbols. If the reality is just the peripherals of culture and tradition – food, costumes, fiestas, religious holidays, and traits – but not to the reality of the land, then the attachment is superficial. If the symbols do not bespeak loftiness of ideals and the grandeur of heroic accomplishments, then the attachment is not even formed.
3. I said three items, but let me add a fourth: heroes. With the possible exception of Rizal, the heroes of the Philippines are heroically ambiguous. Bonifacio? Aguinaldo? These are tainted heroes. Rizal himself is not entirely a cynosure because he spurned the Church, and the Church continues to censor his masterpieces.
4. Let me add a fifth: sports. The significance of sports as a national glue is seen in the Pacquiao phenomenon. Basketball is our primary national sport but there is no inter-city or regional competition. Sports are a thing of national pride in most countries, the U.S. with its Super Bowl and NBA, Australia with its cricket and rugby. We have yet to earn gold in the Olympics.
5. By disagreeableness, I take it you mean dissent or better still non-conformity. Disagreeableness has the denotation of being unpleasant and even offensive.
5.1. Filipinos are collectivistic and not individualistic. If more than 80% of the population belong to one religion, then the conformity level is very high. This trait has been analysed to death with the docility and conformity attributed to colonization, to the hierarchical structure of the society in general and the family in particular, and to authoritarian denominations.
5.2. One will note that while there is conformity in belief there is strong strife and disagreement in opinion. This is largely due to mutual ignorance.
5.2. I believe the latest generations have shed delicadeza as a national trait. In fact, the opposite, epalness or garapalan is the trend as embodied by the Binays.
6. The traditional order of loyalty is God, Family and Country. Metanoia is above patriotism. For the religious, it is loyalty to God in spirit at each moment in daily life. For the non-religious, it is to be true to one’s inner self.
6. I will take that last sentence to be my definition of duty. Duty is to be true to one’s inner self. And if one is true to one’s self and has been innerly transformed, then there should be no conflict between self and country, self and family, and self and God. It could only be the case that where there is conflict, country, family and God are in the wrong.
7. Sorry, I do not have enough thoughts/materials on education except what I have already written.
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Thanks, edgar, this was a very fruitful discussion. I agree with your points on patriotism. I remember in elementary after we recited the Pledge of Allegiance, we followed it up with “This Land is your Land”, and it’s hands down still my favourite song. It’s a patriotic song embracing Nature, and I’ve heard it sung with pride, in sadness and in celebration.
One more question, how do I submit my ACLU article to JoeAm?
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You may submit your article via JoeAm’s email address, which can be found under the “Contact Us” tab at the top.
Thank you.
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“John 3:16 isn’t something Jesus said, it’s something John said (or later writers posing as John).”
I happily, joyously agree with sir edgar lores on his post.
God’s communication with us, His creation, if my understanding and memory serves me right is in 3 stages:
A.) In the Old Testament, with Adam & Eve and all the bible characters in that period, He was in direct contact with them, not face to face, but He talked to them directly, they heard His voice.
B.) He sent Jesus on earth, to save us from our selves, from our sins.
John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17″For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
5. Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Jesus lived with those generation, talked to them, taught them, dined with them and left instructions to his disciples, John among them, to spread His Words, and spread them they did through the New testament.
C. The bible was written by those who lived in those generation – those who heard God directly (Old Testament) those who lived with Jesus while He was on earth (the New Testament) They were led by the Holy Spirit which God has sent down to them when Jesus returned to Heaven.
That is faith.
Hebrews 11:1 answers and clarifies this misunderstanding. The verse: “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
I might add on stage C:
It is the stage after Jesus went back to heaven, the stage we are now in. The Holy Spirit is what is guiding us now.
Yes, interpretations matter. somebody I talked to stated it this way:
Ok, there is the bible, I have my interpretation of the verses in it, you have yours, every Tom, Dick and Harry has their own, whose interpretation is the correct one?
My reply is this, that is why before reading any of it, one should ask the Holy Spirit’s guidance, to help us interpret the way God want us to. Without the Holy Spirit (we can pray and ask for it to come to us) we will each depend on our own mental interpretation which can lead us astray.
Another important gauge is this: We can be a walking bible, your acts, your speech and you thoughts will reflect how you interpret the bible. When you can recite each and every memory verse by heart but you act viciously to others, selfish, without love and caring, being a hypocrite, then your interpretation is wrong..
Er, this should read like this :
No other books can compare with the current best sellers as the bible. It has endured the test of times. It does NOT need to be declared a doctrine by some modern or ancient church to be universally recognized.
ooops, 400 years after the death of Christ is totally different from 400 years ago… sorry
“B.) He sent Jesus on earth, to save us from our selves, from our sins.”
Mary,
The way I see it in the context of what you wrote that I quoted here, and from my reading of the old and new Testaments, it seems to me that God the Father failed with Adam and Eve, the only two living people at the time. And so, many thousands of years after that, with so much number of people multiplying to millions “He sent Jesus on earth, to save us from ourselves, from our sins.”, isn’t it too much to expect the Son to succeed where the Father failed with just two people? And, indeed, it seems to me, that Jesus failed his mission as well like the Father. I might be wrong but I’m sure I will know for sure when I go to hell and see the population increasing or decreasing there. I just hope Joe’s blog is accessible over there so I can inform you guys of the actual situation.
This is serious stuff and I’m not joking.
Bert,
By their own choice , Adam & Eve was banished from heaven. They chose to listen to the devil instead of to God and partook the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Because of that original sin, they were separated from God. In exchange of being forever in Paradise, they learned right and wrong and the freedom to choose between the two…. in that sense, God failed on the two, and they had to work and toil for their living and Eve had to suffer at childbirth. Millions of people later, and even after a deluge that wiped humanity except for Noah and his family, mankind with the original sin continue to be separated from God..
that’s when Jesus came.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17″For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Jesus became the bridge so God and man can be reconciled and be free from that original sin. But as the saying goes – we can only lead a horse to a water hole, one cannot force it to drink – man has to accept Christ as Lord and Savior. Still our choice to cross the bridge where God is waiting.
We have to look unto Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, If we look at people who are not perfect most of the time, we will be lost.
Mary,
It’s so amazing to me, this something called Faith, making so many people persist on trusting two Gods, the Father and the Son, okay, okay, one God and two failures, in spite of insurmountable evidence that it’s not going to get any better soon…soon meaning maybe for another million years. Could it be that people are extremely positive thinkers by nature?
The mystery of the Holy Trinity is much too deep to comprehend by the human mind. It is an accepted truth in the bible that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is but one God. That is faith.
It is by the choice of mankind that he was separated from God, actually upon deeper analysis, it’s mankind’s mistake not God’s, but God is so loving and merciful that He gave us another chance by sacrificing the Son. By rising again from the dead The Son became victorious.
It’s now depending on mankind to accept that chance.
Yes, Mary. If it’s too deep to comprehend the most prudent and easiest way to make a decision is to have faith then believe it as being true I suppose, then hope that it’s indeed true. Something to gain and nothing to lose. I envy people who can have that kind of faith but I feel that it’s too bitter a pill to swallow for me.
As to God’s dependence on mankind to accept another chance at salvation, I hope God succeed this third time around although I doubt it would matter to the faithful if God fail again the third time.
Mary,
I’ll answer your question about fracking here, since this subject merits its own thread.
“Hydraulic fracturing, informally referred to as “fracking,” is an oil and gas well development process that typically involves injecting water, sand, and chemicals under high pressure into a bedrock formation via the well. This process is intended to create new fractures in the rock as well as increase the size, extent, and connectivity of existing fractures. Hydraulic fracturing is a well-stimulation technique used commonly in low-permeability rocks like tight sandstone, shale, and some coal beds to increase oil and/or gas flow to a well from petroleum-bearing rock formations. A similar technique is used to create improved permeability in underground geothermal reservoirs.” –from USGS
Following Obama’s strategy of independence from oil and gas, there’s been an exponential increase in fracking. So successful that now the US is exporting oil and gas, most to China.
About 1 mile from where I live is a series of fracking sites. There’s been an increase in tremors (little earthquakes) associated with the sites. And although my water source comes from above ground aqueducts, the farms further down river from me use ground water, and they’ve been affected.
Watch this documentary “Gasland”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp4ELXKv-w
My personal bias is that oil is a dirty source for energy. So whether we take it from the MidEast or take it from our own backyard, it’s a bad idea. Control excess use and find other cleaner means for energy should be the priority.
Although there’s an effort to find cleaner energy, there’s no effort to control excess us. With continued excess use, Obama’s strategy doesn’t work.
Specifically on fracking, supposedly there’s a safe way of doing this (I seriously doubt it), but without regulating entities by the government to ensure ground water isn’t affected and anticipate other unintended consequences,
companies will opt for the quickest and cheapest way to frack, with no regard to people and their environment.
So that’s fracking in a nutshell.
Is fracking an issue in the Philippines?
the State Dept. under then Sec. Clinton, following Pres. Obama’s strategy of security through oil/gas independence, promoted fracking around the world. Oil/gas companies in tow, USAID and IMF money given out, Clinton encouraged fracking worldwide. Read the article below:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
Thanks very much, now I know more about fracking. I heard that it is also a capital intensive venture so much so that the recent fall of oil prices have affected the producers who resort to this and that oil price had to be increased again so these producers won’t go bankrupt.
Chemicals when they reach the ground reservoir where potable water is sourced is truly a major concern that should not be ignored. Americans should rally in protest.
I never heard of any fracking activity hereabouts, I maybe wrong, but then uncontrolled mining here which use mercury pose a dangerous health hazard in our river tributaries, damaging nearby crops and the sea life where they end up. Mercury skin poisoning is a horrendous way to slowly die.
Talking about sustainable and cleaner energy source, we do have windmills which in Ilocos, Pillilia and Tanay Rizal which are:
“increasingly popular as alternative sources of energy, wind turbine generators are a type of windmill that produces electricity by harnessing the wind. Wind turbine generators are much less harmful to the environment than burning fossil fuels, but they do require average wind speeds of at least 21 km/h (13 mph). The largest of these windmills stands 150 feet tall with blades half the legend of a football field. The compartments at the top containing the generator, hub and gearbox weigh 30,000 to 45,000 pounds.
A wind turbine’s cost can range upwards to $300,000 and can produce 300 kilowatts – the amount of electricity used by a typical household in a month. Almost all of the currently installed wind electric generation capacity is in California. The high-tech megatowers are engineered in cooperation with NASA and nursed by federal and state subsidies. This wind farm on the San Gorgonio Mountain Pass in the San Bernadino Mountains contains more than 4000 separate windmills and provides enough electricity to power Palm Springs and the entire Coachella Valley. ”
Capital intensive too, and what if there’s not enough wind with the required speed?
http://palmsprings.com/services/wind.html
Mary,
I’ve driven by those wind farms, many times none are spinning, even with high winds. These solar, wind projects seem to be just a means for oil/gas companies to write off tax deductions, also to receive tax dollar/government funding for R&D. So it’s largely a scam, at least here in the US.
Scandinavian countries have done wonders with solar and wind energy. But it all goes back to the whole notion of excess. Unless there’s a concerted effort to use less of the dirtier energy, then clean energy will never take off. If these clean alternatives are just treated as tax breaks and source for government funding then progress will be very slow.
So let’s discuss excess use, do you mean too many private cars and less mass transit? Too many Christmas lights in December, too many private planes and helicopters by the ulra rich and billionaires?
I don’t even want to think about nuclear plants as another source what with the Fukoshima and Chernobyl disasters and the increasing frequency and intensity of earthquakes occurring here and around the world. Rumors have it that until now, the Fukoshima reactors are still spilling tremendous amounts of radioactive wastes in the Pacific.
Solar energy, yes, is another sustainable and clean source of energy but again, too capital intensive, although they are offering power rebates for homes of the ultra rich who invest in this.
Excess use, abuse of nature, treating humanity as commodity, consumerism, attempting to fill psychological voids with food or stuff or bleacher-thinking (booooo!!! for them, yaaaay!!! for us), these are all symptoms of the lack of wisdom.
Wisdom can come from reason or it can come from faith–because reason can only go so far. But it requires a lot of meditation, prayers and/or thinking, many Catholic priests I met, drank beer/rum and ate pork with us.
Wisdom seem a very rare commodity there.
In the Philippines, I noticed most Filipinos love their malls, love their Jollibees and are consuming more and more things, to include oil. They seem to think that all that is progress.
For us here, the turning point was the 70s where we saw our rivers, oceans, forest become dirty. Pollution was everywhere. There was an adjustment in thought that followed,
‘think globally, act locally’, ‘live simply so others may simply live’, ‘reduce, reuse, recycle’, these many simplistic sound bites (actually bumper sticker wisdom), these thoughts did become a basis for the environmental movement. More people were now aware.
So since the 70s, the people who want balance and the corporations who prefer excess as a means to profit, have been fighting. There’s a push/pull process.
The Philippines sadly doesn’t have this environmental consciousness yet. Most rivers I saw while there were sewage, miners pollute and government officials get paid off. From a micro-perspective,
Filipinos tend to be dirtier compared to Koreans, Japanese, as MRP pointed out Filipinos pee everywhere, toss trash anywhere, spit all over the place. So the culture itself accepts dirtiness, whether it encourages it that’s debatable.
I remember while I was at the airport there a Filipino family was sitting enjoying there snacks, they just threw their trash on the floor. And a Japanese group was sitting near them, one of them got off their seat to pick-up the Filipino family’s trash littered on the floor, calmly throwing their trash in the bin for them.
I think it all goes back to Character development, Mary. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3nT2KDAGOc
In researching for this ACLU article, everything seems to point back to cultivating character. The press, governance, acting with groups, education, protecting the environment, etc. all goes back to character.
For example, how does one boxer define a whole nation? Mayweather’s a great boxer, but he doesn’t define the US, not even Blacks in the US.
Pacquiao assumed that role of defining a whole nation because there’s a clear lack of heroes in the Philippines, people who have depth of character are rare, people who stand on principle are rare.
If a whole nation uses one person as a crutch, then when that one person falters, the whole nation goes with it. Hence the danger of the Filipinos’ proclivity towards hero-worship (and telenovelas, which is related).
Hopefully, Pacquiao retires and immigrates to the US, if only to save the Philippines from itself. Because if left unchecked he might become the next Philippine president, with all the self-serving sycophants in tow.
So when speaking of fighting pollution or fighting corruption or fighting mediocrity in thought, we have to go back to the issue of character.
Why is there such a lack of this? What can be done about it? Education and religion and the home have been historical sources of character building, but since this type of training is example driven, ie. the ones teaching it have to practice what they preach, and
we agree that there is a lack of these examples of character there, how else can you teach it then?
Education and character building begin and continue at home, schools offer knowledge, expertise, character building should also be fined tuned there.
Unfortunately, that is not happening now. With the advent of social media games, new gadgets and pursuit of personal gratification, family bonding during shared meals are now a thing of the past. Pep talks are only half listened, one ear and both eyes are glued to tablets, simply not communicating.
With one or both parents who are OFWs, character building is next to impossible. These parents appease their guilty conscience in not being physically there for their children buy buying these gadgets (some justifying these purchases by saying it’s better than be in to drugs), and worldly goods that only turn their kids to be irresponsible with their pocket money and with their studies.
Ideally, church and schools should help out, but it’s not happening. Church are busy meddling in politics and schools are not doing their job enough to convert these kids to be what they should be – civic minded and responsible. Relatives left at home to be guardians are not given full authority to guide the youth, the final say will come from mom and dad who are not home but are guilty enough to pamper their children to counter that guilt feelings. Guardians just helplessly watch, can’t do anything or they will labelled killjoy or contrabida.
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“Filipinos tend to be dirtier…”
The truth hurts. After the papal mass at Luneta, the park was awash with litter.
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If there is gasification of waste technologies, why resort to fracking.If if it is methane we want,the landfills are the answer.
On crude,plastic to diesel technology.
Mining could be reduced if we can extract metals from ewaste.
On pollution in water, I read about bioremediation or mutant bactrtia unleashed in oil spills or just feed the bacteria methane so they would reproduce.The bacteria could also eat plastic.the bacteria could also be used to collect mercury for industrial use.
LCpl_X and the others
Hey, look what I found today…what is your take on this, guys?
Batteries: The Power Of The Future?
By Tim Maverick of Wall Street Daily
Monday, May 4, 2015 4:19 AM EDT
http://www.talkmarkets.com/content/us-markets/batteries-the-power-of-the-future?post=64146&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
Elon Musk is at it again.
Most casual observers thought the giant lithium-ion battery Gigafactory being built by Tesla Motors (TSLA) was all about the electric car market.
That’s… mostly true. But it’s also about so much more.
Musk also plans to use the Gigafactory to produce batteries that can power private homes, and even larger structures.
The company’s Chief Technology Officer, JB Straubel, believes the market for stationary batteries “can scale faster than automotive,” and could account for up to 30% of the Gigafactory’s battery output.
Rumors about the company making the major shift into stationary batteries have been around for a while. But, they weren’t confirmed until the evening of April 30 by Musk at a Tesla event.
Storage and the New Grid
What’s so big about this news is that these batteries may very well become a key component in the grid of the future.
More and more homes, businesses, and utilities are using renewable energy. But the major problem with energy sources, like solar and wind power, is that power generation can be intermittent.
These batteries can be used to combat the surging nature of renewable energy by storing electricity during peak productions times and then releasing it when it’s needed.
The battery system, unveiled by Tesla yesterday, is similar to what has already been available to about 300 customers of Solar City (SCTY), a company that Musk chairs. These units can be leased for an initial outlay of $1,500, with a payment of $15 per month.
Musk unveiled two batteries for the home: the 10-kilowatt capacity Powerwall and the 7-kilowatt capacity Powerpack. The cost is $3,500 and $3,000, respectively.
The Powerwall is intended to provide back-up power for the home while the Powerpack can be used to run everyday refrigerators and TVs.
In the corporate world, Tesla battery back-up systems have already been installed by both Apple (AAPL) and Google (GOOGL) at their corporate campuses. The company has also launched a pilot program with Wal-Mart (WMT). No price was stated by Musk for the business products.
Currently, it’s believed that these corporate customers are shaving 20% to 30% off their monthly electric bills.
Readers may be wondering why Musk is unveiling these systems now, when Tesla has already tested them so extensively.
Well, Musk is no fool… He sees a very big market about to open up.
Elon Musk’s Vision
California’s Public Utilities Commission initiated an energy storage mandate in October 2014 that requires the state’s utilities to have at least 1.3 gigawatts of electricity storage capacity by 2020.
Other states are sure to follow California’s lead.
Already, some electric grid operators in Texas and New York have begun using batteries for energy storage to smooth out the flow of electricity over transmission lines.
The move toward energy storage is gaining momentum around the world, too. Navigant
Research forecasts that global revenue from grid-scale energy storage may exceed $68 billion by 2024.
And don’t forget about the home-use market.
Simon Moores of Benchmark Mineral Intelligence estimates that Tesla could produce enough lithium-ion batteries by 2020 to power 3.5 million homes.
Being the premier player in batteries has apparently been Elon Musk’s plan all along.
In Elon Musk’s future, everyone will have home and car batteries that they plug in to charge and that are connected to the grid digitally, making blackouts a thing of the past.
Analyst Ravi Manghani of GTM Research said of Musk and Tesla, “They’re not just car makers. They’re part of the electricity network. At least, folks in the energy industry are very well aware of Tesla as a battery maker.”
And as Simon Moores said, Musk is making Tesla the first fully integrated and diversified battery company.
Time will tell if that is a wise move, and if Elon Musk is mentioned in the same breath as Steve Jobs.
And the chase continues,
Tim Maverick
In Elon Musk’s future, everyone will have home and car batteries that they plug in to charge and that are connected to the grid digitally, making blackouts a thing of the past.
This will prove very handy (although bulky) during black outs lasting weeks after a particularly strong typhoon that topples power lines.
These units can be leased for an initial outlay of $1,500, with a payment of $15 per month.
Musk unveiled two batteries for the home: the 10-kilowatt capacity Powerwall and the 7-kilowatt capacity Powerpack. The cost is $3,500 and $3,000, respectively.
The Powerwall is intended to provide back-up power for the home while the Powerpack can be used to run everyday refrigerators and TVs.
Usman was allegedly killed by MILF. They took pictures and sent it to loosy Philippine Media. They published it without the body. No evidence. Only witnesses and pictures like Marwan.
Obama is still not talking. No presscon at Rose Garden. White House silent. No body. No rewards.
In all Manny Pacquiao fight in the U.S. NOT ONE HOME-GROWN PHILIPPINE-EDUCATED singer of Philippine National Anthem sang. They prefer AMERICANS to sing the Philippine National Anthem.
Pacquiao-Marquez was sang by New Jersey American
Pacquiao-Mayweather was sang by Bronx American
IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH FILIPINOS FROM THE PHILIPPINES? They even import half-bred half-white colonizer look to represent the indigenous Filipino browned skin in international beauty contests. WHY? Who is promoting and inspiring Filipinos that brown-skin Filipinos are ugly? I know there are plenty of brown skin punk’d nose Filipinos out there. Why do they prefer non-traditional looking imported beauty queens?
I have visited Los Angeles. In Cerritos Mall in Cerritos, California I saw a browned-skin American of Filipino decent poster hanging from the canopy of this mall.
In Westfield West Covina Mall in West Covina, Caifornia I saw from the 10 freeway a huge brown-skin American of Philippine origin gracing the entrance to the mall.
BofA billboards another brown skin American of Philippine decent …
deVry University, American of Philippine origin ….
Los Angeles Metro Transit Authority in every busses of theirs, an American of Philippine origin …
IT APPEARS FILIPINOS CANNOT KNOW THE ORIGINAL TRADITIONAL LOOKS OF INHABITANTS OF THE PHILIPPINES. In fact, these malls, banks and universities are making blasphemy out of the looks of the Filipinos by choosing non-white Filipinos.
The Filipinos are promoting to the world that the Filipinos are white! JOE, IN YOUR ABSENCE, I WILL TAKE THE LIBERTY TO LAUGH! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
Filipinos to have dignity, love thyselves like you love you never loved before. BROWN-SKIN FIRST ! DON’T HATE ‘EM. LOVE ‘EM. Because this is what we are !!!
Filipinos, please do not be what we are not.
We are brown skin not white not yellow.
Please do not measure beauty by the color of the skin
We have our own dialect not English
Please do not measure intelligence by fluency in written or spoken english
We have our own God.
We were born when lightning struck a bamboo even before Adam and Eve were made
Colonizing Spaniards outlawed our religion and FORCEFULLY REPLACED IT WITH JESUS CHRIST.
Colonizing Spaniards flogged every inhabitants of Philippines to make them believe in their God.
After brutally subduing and erasing our indigenous God, Filipnos submitted and believed Spanish Gods.
Because according to Filipinos back in the days, “WHAT DO WE GOT TO LOSE TO BELIEVE IN SPANISH GOD?”
Filipinos believed in Spanish God to survive. To this day, they still believe in it. NOT TO SURVIVE but to FIT IN.
Don’t you remember Geneva Cruz and Martin Rivera singing Lupang Hinirang for Manny?
Yes, I remember them. No Filipino ever wanted to sing Lupang HINIRAM again for Manny Pacquiao because Martin Rivera was slammed for singing LUPANG HINIRAM IN HIS OWN RENDENTION.
Lupang hiniram,di ko napansin akala ko tama. Kanino natin hiniram ang lupa? nagbabayad ba tayo ng lease?
dapat daw kung pano natin kinanta sa flag ceremony ganun daw.Bakit robot ba tayo,yung mga onaks tulad ni Usher me feelings at emotion din naman pag kinanta nila ang anthem nila
On a more serious note, does anyone have any idea how we can realistically affect changes in this country’s political and electoral systems? Because I have to be honest with you guys, getting involved in a large-scale movement where I have to invest a lot of my time sounds scary to me. I can do phone calls, handle social media campaigns and stuff like that, but any bigger and I’d have to tap out.
Anyone?
We’d need something like Wolf-Pac.com I think, but that’s just me.
I’m asking because I’m seriously thinking about leaving the Philippines and moving to somewhere like Finland if things remain as they are.
“…..how we can realistically affect changes in this country’s political and electoral systems?”
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For a starter, identify the specific political and electoral issues that will be subject of change. 👍
Change has to be effected at the root of the problem: PHILIPPINE MEDIA
Political and electoral issues are controlled by the Philippine Media bias and prejudices. Change the Philippine Media and you change the electoral and political landscape of the Philippines.
Philippines need to open the Media to Rupert Murdoch which he was denied. The Senators who rejected Rupert Murdoch’s courtship wanted Philippines to be forever under mental bondage by puppet Media.
That is why whenever there is a coup-de-t’at in countries, FIRST THING FIRST IS TO CONTROL THE MEDIA. THEN THE PEOPLE.
Marcos did that. He was able to rule the Philippines for over 20 years. He who controls the media controls the people minds.
Christians did that, too, in the medieval times. To this day, Vatican does not allow scholars to see some of the unreleased scrolls in the dungeon of the Vatican. They are afraid that Jesus Christ was a hero and Satan was the fall guy.
Check your Standard Language of Insurance Policy. There is a phrase “Acts-of-God” which the Vatican been at wars with Lloyds of London to delete it from the Insurance Language because they say, God is a merciful God. Therefore, Earthquakes, Typhoons and fortuitous event should not be considered Acts-of-God but Acts-of-Satan.
such musings from a confused mind. What Marcos did to the media is the extreme. I totally disagree with your solution, repulsed as I am with slanted news.
Have you considered the potential solution I proposed above? I like it because some of it is making phone calls and donating to the cause… I’m also thinking of having Joe be the head of the movement or someone else who is more committed…
Going a little extreme there, aren’t you? Have you considered the potential solution I proposed above? I like it because some of it is making phone calls and donating to the cause… I’m also thinking of having Joe be the head of the movement or someone else who is more committed…
Have you considered the potential solution I proposed above? I like it because some of it is making phone calls and donating to the cause… I’m also thinking of having Joe be the head of the movement or someone else who is more committed…
We have a group before, right before the People Power Revolution… it’s called NAMFREL..National Movement for Free Election, it’s still active today, I think. It has done wonders in that election which propelled Cory Aquino to the presidency when members exposed the cheating and irregularities done by the Marcos regime that time (as confirmed by Enrile when he was fearing for his life at Camp Aguinaldo.
We also have BAYAN MO IPATROL MO of ABS CBN. a group of citizens all over the country who registered with the TV station, they committed to report status and any irregularities before, during and after the election using their own cellphones. Pictures and texts will be transmitted and aired at the station.
Each TV stations, I think, have similar projects like this, all aimed at exposing cheating, bribing, and other election irregularities so that a free, credible and honest election can be held.
Um, didn’t we already conclude that Philippine media isn’t reliable when it comes to these kinds of things, ABS CBN stations in particular? It’s better than nothing though, I’ll grant them that much.
Also, what’s the online presence of this NAMFREL group? How have they affected elections following the example you provided? I’ll look into them after I’m done with work, but I might miss some things…
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Citizens%27_Movement_for_Free_Elections
Wikipedia article of NAMFREL,below is the link for PPCRV
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_Pastoral_Council_for_Responsible_Voting
@ hackguhaseo
“Um, didn’t we already conclude that Philippine media isn’t reliable when it comes to these kinds of things, ABS CBN stations in particular”
This time it will be the citizens who are doing the reporting, who will provider videos and/or photos.
Generic answer: Nasubukan na yan pumalpak sila.,walang nangyari at mangyayari dyan.(wala namang ginawa para tumulong)
Here is my final analysis to what was considered as BORING BOXING OF THE CENTURY: Overhyped, Overpriced, and Oversold
1. Both of them were OVERLY-CAUTIOUS. Neither throwing punches. Afraid they might make error of judgments
2. Floyd win by number of hits
3. OVERLY-CAUTIOUS Manny did not attack like he used to. Afraid of Floyd’s longer reach.
4. Floyd used run-and-duck technique knowing if he goes in street-rumble like attack he’d be clubbered to a pulp
5. So, they just danced the Cha-Cha and Con-con looking at the clock
In the end the viewers were scammed of Php700.00 pesos watching Floyd-Manny fight at SM including T-shirt
Today, nobody is wearing Manny Pacquiao T-shirt. Manny Pacquiao is abandoned by his fans. No ticker parade. No victory parade. No photo-ops at Malacanang.
Trillanes has already come out of the woodowrk. He is now charging Binay Jr with another anomaly, OF COURSE, without evidences AS USUAL. To divert Court of Appeals from their asking Trillanes of EVIDENCE that they received Binay Money in exchange for TRO.
Sereno is back in the limelight for prejudging Binay TRO and making selective and time-framed with expiry date constitutional change of Aguinaldo Doctrine because she consider it “OUTDATED”. ONLY FOR BINAY not for Aquino’s allies.
SO, FOLKS! BACK TO REALITY !!! They will be licking their losses and wounds. They will take revenge. THIS TIME BINAY cannot dance and run. He will be knocked down so the Filpino people can forget about Manny Pacquiao’s loss.
Philippine Daily Inquirer will now come up with TOTALLY INCREDIBLE HEADLINES soon to make up the loss of circulation after Manny’s debacle.
Is TV Patrol a newscast, a news commentary program, or what?
Why is Noli De Castro still with TV Patrol?
He has this propensity to ask questions on something that its field reporters just said on the newscast that already answered his questions. Is De Castro even listening to TV Patrol reporters?
Good question. That is why I never listen or read Philippine Newspapers to be informed. I LISTEN AND READ PHILIPPINE NEWSPAPERS for entertainment purposes.
Funny about newsreporting in the Philippines is they do not make references to the evidences at hand. Instead they make references to the people who are investigated by the looney Senators. They do that because Filipinos love drama.
The Philippine newspapers are one big spread of walang wakasan, walang katapusan comic news strips.
My questions exactly. There was even a time when Noli did not allow a reporter to continue reporting, he took over that portion as if he is in a paid block time in a radio program rudely spewing forth his indignation and opinions… is that news reporting? Netizens were in an uproar over that but ABS CBN simply ignored them.
And before jameboy advise me again not to watch TV Patrol if it repulses me, I am outnumbered at home, I arrive at the office at a time when they are watching it and of course I have to take my dinner while it is on, I am not that rude to change channels when others are fascinatingly glued to them. I’m neither rude nor a dictator at home. They will say in a chorus, “walang basagan ng trip”.
I arrive from the office, I mean… awwrrr..
All Filipino Channels are apallingly repulive. Stay out of it. Keep your sanity. Their journalists which are graduates from U.P. are bunch of yoyos that should be sweeping the streets of EDSA.
Mary, I remember you wanted to read the real Noli. Am I right? Anyway, f you ever come Chicago way, you must visit The Newberry Library. The Filipiniana collection (the Ayer’s Collection) includes one of the 6 copies of the original Noli of Dr Rizal. 🙂 Also, I don’t know how much the Field Museum of Natural shows from its Filipiniana collection. It is one of largest in the world.
Field Museum of Natural History … I meant
Are there no e-books on Noli and Fili? I ask because I see no possibility of being in Chicago in the horizon, now or in the next few years. Investments yet to be paid, family ties (with heath issues) you know….
I so wanted to reread those two books, the ones me and my mom read before were damaged by a typhoon (the whole roof got blown away and deposited to a cut off coconut tree). Pictures and books were damaged beyond recovery, sigh…). The versions available now are bastardized, allegedly by the church, permitted by a Department of Education who bent backwards to accommodate them (another sigh…)
I remember a favorite song of my mother…”Don’t sigh a sigh for me, don’t ever cry for me, nights are too long for me, because I’m losing you”…
I miss my mom so, we are both bookworms and politicized.
Try this :
Click to access noli.pdf
Click to access kaminski-obituary.pdf
I hope it works. 👲
It worked, thanks jameboy.
I speed read till the end. Maria Clara, Ibarra and Elias made me cry all over again.
The lives of Basilio, Crispin and Sisa, Tarsilo, too as depicted in the novel are equally tragic….. the poor and downtrodden….
Our national hero was an awesome novelist…
we still have Padre Damasos today, Padre Salvi, too and those hyprocrite manangs remind me of Janet Napoles…
the social cancer then is still so true today.
You might want to check this out too.
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/47629/pg47629-images.epub?session_id=f1984998b8b30de09e7cab97f3999334159af043
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/47629/pg47629-images.epub?session_id=f1984998b8b30de09e7cab97f3999334159af043
https://archive.org/stream/angfilibusterism00riza#page/n6/mode/1up
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10676/10676-h/10676-h.htm
I found an English version of the Noli Me Tangere, easier to read than the Tagalog version which had so many datapuats, some “k” were replaced with “c” and words are somehow separated
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/6737/6737-h/6737-h.htm
OMG, Mary I got so old with the favorite song of your Mom. That was sung by Brenda Lee and a hit during my young adult years. This is dedicated to her. 🙂
Sir Sonny, thanks. My eyes are all wet. Read jameboy’s link, too.
You’re a good daughter, Mary. Your Mom knew it all the time.
oh, wow.. thanks manong.. that was kind of you to say so.
I took Noli and El Feli classes as required subjects in college. It took a U.P. professor to untangle the convoluted pieces of Jose Rizal I still failed. Plenty of us failed. BUT the 19th century Filipinos were able to decrypt its heiroglyphics, it was in Spanish, without the help of U.P. proessors to understand these two daunting books that sparked the revolution in the Philippines against Spain after two years it was released.
Either the 1900th century Filipinos are more intelligent than the current breed of Pinoys …
They can afford the books which was very very very expensive at that time ….
Or, they have Starbucks in every street corner offering WiFi because the Philippine Revolution was timed in synchronicity with the concerted effort of traitor Emilio Aguinaldo.
portion = segment
A typical Filipino newscast:
Introduction: Our news items for the day …. and the murder of a journalist in barangay ABC
News reader later in the news: YESTERDAY in Barangay ABC journalist XYZ was murdered by an UNKNOWNNN man when leaving his home. AND NOW, STRAAAAIGHT FROM our COOORrespondent QLM who is in Barangay ABC for the LAAATEST on this murder. QLM is beside the honorable MAJOR WVU to ask the MAJORRRR what he knows about the yesterday’s DESPICABLE MURDERRRR.
Correspondent QLM: Good morning listeners, this is correspondent RST in barangay ABC where yesterday evening journalist XYZ was murdered by an unknown man when leaving his home in street FGH, but we have beside us major WVU who can tell us more details about the murder of journalist XYZ.
Correspondent: Major WVU, what can you tell us about the murder yesterday night of journalist XYZ by an unknown man?
Major WVU: I can confirm that yesterday evening at approximate 7:42 a journalist named XYZ, a local resident of our city, was killed when leaving his house in street FGH by an unidentified assailant or assailants. Our people are investigating this murder and we expect them to collecting affidavits from all the witnesses who heard the shots yesterday.
Correspondent QLM: Thank you major WVU for all the details on the murder of journalist XYZ in Barangay ABC yesterday evening. Now over to the studio.
News reader: AND THIS WAS our correspondent QLM in BARANGAY ABC who got the LATEST details about the MURDER OF A JOURRRRNALIST ABC straight from the HONORABLE MAJOR WVUUUuuee.
Same event as reported in every other country:
Newsreader: Yesterday evening a journalist was killed by unidentified men in city DFG. We will report more as soon as more details become available.
VERY VERY VERY VERY TYPICAL OF U.P. JOURNALISTS REPORTING. U.P. Journalsits are very little intelligence. And the news they are reporting are for very little intelligence readers that is why it sells.
WE read beahind the lines because WE can read behind the lines.
As I predicted, Team Pacquiao cries conspiracy
http://www.inquirer.net/pacquiao-files/article/180754
No-Evidence Trillanes will gather all witnesses. Have them execute Affidavits. Hand them over to Nevada State District Attorney.
Nevada State District Attorney will likely ask No-Evidence-Witness-only Trillanes to show EVIDENCE. He cannot show. Just a pile of Affidavits and Witnesses who wanted to go to America to see Vegas.
CONSPIRACY DENIED! Nevada State District Attorney laughing very very hard.
Philippine Supreme Court will look into Judicial Affidavit Rules. THANK GOD! Now they are listening to ME!!!!
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/689185/sc-to-look-into-govt-prosecutors-protest-on-judicial-affidavits
“It also requires each party to the case to attach all his documentary evidence to the judicial affidavit which, in turn, must be submitted at least five days before the “pre-trial” or “preliminary conference” in the case.”
It is either they are follower of JOEAM or they are my personal fans and followers.
Have you been to a trial as an observer or even as a witness? I have, so I can say that physical evidences are presented along with judicial affidavits as a regular procedure now.
Judicial affidavits are one of the innovations introduced by CJ Sereno to facilitate trial hearings and to clear case backlogs in various courts. The usual questions and answers by defense and prosecutors have been done away with to save time, cross examinations , re cross quickly follow the presentation, examination and acknowledgements of a judicial affidavit; pre trials and preliminary conferences are now being considered to settle minor cases as fast as possible.
I know Yvonne is more knowledgeable about this things, I only learned a little about this from observing trials and reading bulletin posts in a courtroom.
I served as a Juror in the States twice already. It is an honor to be picked and serve as a Juror because most Filipinos are eliminated from jury selection of this civic duty. Their witnesses always have evidences. Whereas in the Philippines, they subpoena. Sit you in the grill-chair and inquire. No evidence necessary.
In my country, if ever there is a road rage shooting, the police stand shoulder-to-shoulder across the width of the freeway looking for …… bullet casings … BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THE PROSECUTION as evidence. In the Philippines they just ask. Take for example TeaMilk. They cannot know what chemical it was. The coroner office cannot know what chemical ingested after the bodies were autopsied. They sent it to so-called scientists at U.P. they were bewildered. The chemical was not present in Periodic Table.
So, what they did THEY ASKED THE SON OF THE OWNER WHAT HE DROPPED IN THEIR DRINK? Simple investigative procedure. They ask. The son said No we did not put anything on their drink. Case closed.
The only way they can know of the chemical is either send the body to California like what they did with Marwan’s finger OR, they have to know who laced the drink with an unknown chemical so the government of the Philippines can tell the world SOMEONE DISCOVERED A NEW CHEMICAL THAT NEVER WAS IN THE PERIODIC TABLE to claim for NObel Prize.
Jury system is not in my country’s court procedures. It is not embodied in my country’s constitution.
STEWARDSHIP
I came upon this thread,
http://j.mp/ja-130118 Zen Filipino
and while skimming through it, “stewardship” came to my mind
although the word does not occur in it.
The word seems to be mentioned though in five threads or articles:
https://joeam.com/?s=stewardship
Are Filipinos good stewards of what God has endowed the Philippines with?
(Let’s hear from the humanists/atheists on this – on, say, how the country came to exist. :))
We have, count them,
81 provinces,
144 cities,
1,490 municipalities,
42,029 barangays
(as of Dec. 31, 2014).
And, supposedly 7,107 islands.
“What gets counted counts.” (Who said that, btw?)
But if every island counts, how come many are not, at least, named?
Is PNoy even aware of this?
If not, why not?
Does that give you an idea of the sense of stewardship of country?
@ i7sharp
If you live in Washington, DC, a visit to the Library of Congress would probably yield an answer to the 7,107 islands question and also how the Philippines was defined when the US took over from Spain. The US government is quite anal about these things.
Great questions, as it relates to the fracking thread Mary and I are discussing.
The best example of stewardship with a Biblical twist was in Israel. Israelis have a real keen connection to their land, based mostly on their first 5 books.
Most Israelis are agnostics and atheists, but when it comes to seeing the land as God-given, they really take it seriously. Most are savvy with topography and maps, having hiked around and visited various towns. Most Filipinos I encountered weren’t really geographically inclined.
So I think the sense of ownership/stewardship comes from walking the land, and having a running tally of all the places you’ve been. Young Israelis backpacked everywhere.
If I ever returned there, I’d probably bring a kayak and just paddle from one coastal town to the next, hop on a ferry and do it again on the next island, and again, then again, until all islands are seen.
Careful, though… Muslim extremists are into kidnapping foreigners to raise funds for their violent operations.
Mary,
This may come as counter-intuitive, but the whole time is was in Mindanao, among Muslims, I felt safe. Up north however, in big cities, I felt unsafe–not from NPA or groups, but from regular criminals high on drugs.
So the plan is actually to stay clear of big cities.
maybe you were with good friend bad enemy types,those who waits for a reason to kidnap. There are groups who don’t need any provocation. Just proceed with caution,living in fear sucks.
I would like to reply to your posts point by point not just one sentence acknowledgements…. later maybe after I’m done these reports for the coming stockholders’ meetings. Lucky are those who have all the time in the world to participate in this blog.
done with… I mean
@sonny, @LCpl_X,
Some government official or department (from current or past administration) should have cared enough, you would think, to at least name each of the islands and/or designate what province they belong to.
btw, …
See how the Israelites were punished for their insouciance or negligence or disobedience:
Why Seventy Years In Babylon?
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/i7weeks/conversations/messages/41
What is in the offing for “Christian” Philippines?
(Is it really Christian?)
Or we could just wait and see what Sweden does with her 65,666 islands!
Indonesia has only 10,000 plus islands. Let them name them first.
Usma has US$10.0M bounty on his head.
Usma is dead so they say. No body. Just picture.
Someone copied Marwan’s Press release.
Obama is silent. White House is quiet. Obama is not releasing US$10.0M by mere say so of Philippine Media without the body. TO THIS DAY, Obama is still silent on Marwan.
Whoever has the body of Marwan and Usma is a rich man. First, they have to bring the bodies to D.C. Autopsied. DNAs profiled. Before money is released. Then Obama goes to the Rose Garden to tell the world that Usma and Marwan are dead. And the world is safe! BUT NOTHING LIKE THAT. THEY ARE SILENT. NO BODY. NO HONEY. SORRY. Obama is not a Filipino. He is not a Kenyan. He is an American. An American asks for Evidence not some witness accounts and affidavits.
What do you guys think of the movement Wolf-Pac.com as a potential model for exacting changes in our own political system? The details are all there at the site, but if you guys have questions, I’ll be happy to answer them as best I can…
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1. First of all, are you thinking of setting this up for one single issue or different issues? FOI? Anti dynasty? Divorce?
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I was actually thinking that it can be applied to every issue. It’s just a matter of choosing which one. I’m no expert though, so I wouldn’t know where to begin to be honest. I just know that it’s about as good a method of giving the power back to the people as any we can manage right now…
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Thanks. There’s your first roadblock. It might be easy to form a group that are unanimous on one issue, but it may be difficult to keep that group intact on multiple issues. On FOI and anti dynasty, no issues perhaps. But electoral reform? Divorce?
I believe there are several group movements like Wolf-pac locally. There’s Harvey Keh’s Kaya Natin and Bantay.ph. Why not join one of these groups rather than forming another?
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Oh, there were others? Didn’t know that. Will have to check them out.
As to the matter of issues, the Wolf-Pac model takes on the root of the current problems facing the US right now which is Money in Politics.
I’m not smart enough to tell you what that is in the Philippines at the moment, but identifying that and taking that on with thousands or millions of petitions and phone calls to legislators ought to do some damage for a start.
Sure, we’re divided. But we don’t need the majority of Filipinos to succeed. We just need a lot of them to participate. A million voices is hard to ignore…
As I understand it, it’s all about electoral reforms relating to corporate meddling in US elections. Question, what’s your idea of our own version of if? I know you mention about electoral reform, but can you tell us here which of the issues you think should be prioritize and why? Thanks.🌜
That is right. Filipinos are girding for a fight for boxing and electoral reform. Filipinos will be protesting before Nevada Sports Commission and World Boxing Federation to make the following changes in boxing:
1. There will not be running, ducking and hugging during boxing fights
2. If boxing involves Filipino boxers it should not be done in Vegas
3. According to Filipinos Vegas is Sin City, therefore, corrupt and victory was stolen from Manny Pacquiao
4. Boxing will not also be held in Macau. Parang walang Lutong Macau
5. If Filipino boxer is involved in boxing, THERE WILL BE MATCH, REMATCH AND NEVER ENDING REMATCH UNTIL FILIPINO BOXER WINS
Filipinos with their heavy corrupt Filipino baggage is changing Americas Boxing Scene. They want a match and rematch and never ending rematch with Mayweather and Pacquiao IT ONLY STOPS WHEN PACQUIAO WINS. NO LESS.
Filipinos are thinking that America is Philippines where in Philippines there will always be count, recount, and never ending recounts and flurry of affidavits, counter affidavits and battle of affidavits until the officials win. IN BOXING LIKE IN PHILIPPINE POLITICS FILIPINOS NEVER ACCEPT DEFEAT.
The Philippines will create Philippine Chicken Feather Boxing Association to counter Worlds Boxing Federation. And the Filipinos will count the way they want it counted.
So with regards to Wolf-Pac.com Please exclude Filipinos. They are bunch of sore losers . If they include Filipinos there will always be controversies may it be boxing, electoral counts and others.
If I had to choose, I would definitely start with the complete overhaul of the current election system. Someone already brought up some of the points at the top of the comment section such as making campaign budgets publicly funded in order to make things fair.
I would add that there should be tests that political candidates should start taking before being considered eligible though, to see if they are intellectually, emotionally and psychologically capable of being civil servants.
Then they should start presenting actual, measurable platforms, with figures and plans. People should know that their leader actually has a plan in mind and not just vague, empty promises. “You’re running with education as your platform? Tell us your plan in detail. What will you do once in office?” Something like that.
And those are just the bare minimum of what they would have to do. Someone smarter than me will have to fill in the rest…
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I endorse the suggestions in your second and third paragraphs.
On the second suggestion, I have always thought that candidates must have some schooling in Public Administration. National candidates must have completed the full 4-year course. Local candidates must have at least a condensed year’s training.
Prior to enrollment, the students must pass qualifying IQ, EQ and personality tests. Scholarships must be offered nationwide to the best and the brightest.
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Ideally, anyone should be able to run for office in this country, from the poorest farmers to the richest businessmen. Unfortunately, the culture in this country has allowed a festering resentment towards intellectual honesty and preference for personal greed to grow, so that’s not happening.
The biggest challenge in finding good civil servants is discerning their real intentions. The best that the requirement of being educated will do is to reduce the chances of politicians being duped by intelligent and morally bankrupt groups in the political scene.
Test or schooling for candidates to take? Ummm, do we have at present a precedence for that? For me, a test to prove eligibility would be discriminatory. An examination or scholastic accomplishment does not guarantee good governance or capability to serve the public.
I’m still in favor of the current policy or principle in undertaking public service or office being open to all who aspires for it and at the same time are not prohibited by law.
Regarding platform or political plans and program, I think our system is already doing the screening of candidates by requiring them to present their plans and programs before and during campaign period. That’s the time they will explain and sell their ideas to the voting public as to how they plan to implement their platform and advocacy. 👮
Taking this rulemaking power too far—such as to nullify the Ombudsman Act—is dangerous because such would allow unelected judges to exercise judicial power even if there is no case before them to decide. Binay’s lawyers’ radical position thus demands a complete rewrite of our separation of powers. Oscar Franklin Tan
They are rewriting the separation of powers to accomodate the incarceration of Binay. Then re-instate it again so their faves can get away with corruption.
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TRULY FILIPINO. TRULY ORIGINAL.
Here is a glaring transparent toxic cultural example of Filipinos as exemplified in Pacquiao-Mayweather fight !
Pacquiao lost clear and simple. Filipinos cried foul. They were cheated. Filipinos cannot accept defeat. They want a rematch, and, never ending rematch UNTIL PACQUIAO WINS !!!
JUST LIKE FILIPINO POLITICIANS. They cannot accept defeat. They want a count, recount and never ending recounts. A flurry of affidavits, counter-affidavits and battle of affidavits.
JUST LIKE FILIPINO COMMENTERS in any news websites. They cannot accept defeat. They attack the person instead: Their English, Their spellings. Grammars. They even drag your parents and grandparents. They never give up though they lost the argument.
SO, HOW CAN THIS BE FIXED? CAN IT BE FIXED? PRAY GOD TELL US. HOW? CAN THIS BE FIXED THRU LEGISLATION? CAN THIS BE REMEDIED THRU LAWS? I DO NOT KNOW.
I know we have plenty of laws plagiarized from my country. BUT IT SEEMS TO LOSE ITS EFFICACY ONCE IT IS IN THE PHILIPPINES. WHY?
“SOCIAL JUSTICE is the underlying rationale for the Bangsamoro Basic Law,” members of the Peace Council observed during its first plenary meeting last April 7. “SOCIAL JUSTICE is the underlying theme of the Philippine Constitution,” also asserted three members of the council who had been part of the 1986 Constitutional Commission that crafted that Charter.
Indeed, federalism and decisions closer to the people might foster social justice.
More federalism, less imperial Manila? Duterte as president?
His Marcos-like brand of justice is not to my liking. Vigilante justice is without due process, and who is to say that an innocent life will be taken because of a mistake by a police-judge-executor all rolled into one vigilante?
I agree that vigilante are not the solution. I also have problems with his age. But a more distributed power system a with strong central auditing branch might work better than the current concentration of power in Manila.
Strong auditing system plus a loyal military as its side considering the feudalistic nature of our political system who has penchant to form their own militant group that could possibly threaten the security of the COA branch.
at its side …awwwrrrr
This article made me feel better. I wish Pacquiao can read this. The columnist’s advise at the end is a wise one
Floyd ran all night, so how did he win?
Neal H. Cruz
Read more: http://opinion.inquirer.net/84677/floyd-ran-all-night-so-how-did-he-win#ixzz3ZLZbWv00
I could have danced all night,
I could have danced all night,
And still have begged for more….
From a song in “My Fair Lady”
That’s what Floyd Mayweather did all night—dance—in the disappointing “Fight of the Century” against Manny Pacquiao in Las Vegas last Saturday (Sunday in the Philippines). Floyd deserves to win, all right—had the event been a dance contest, or a marathon. He would make a perfect dancing partner for Mommy D. Or a marathon runner, because he really is a good runner.
Except that it was a boxing bout, not a ballroom dancing competition or a marathon race. Boxing fans who paid big money expecting to see a bruising fight were disappointed because Floyd did not fight. Instead, he danced and ran. Still, he won by unanimous decision.
So that’s how Floyd has managed to remain undefeated. He runs, but the judges win the bout for him. Manny was fighting not just Floyd but also four others in the ring—the referee and the three judges.
That’s the difficulty of fighting an opponent in the latter’s home turf. Floyd lives in Las Vegas and has plenty of money invested in various businesses there.
The Nevada State Athletic Commission supervised the fight, the referee is a black American, just like Floyd, and the three judges are also Americans. So how can a boxer from a Third World country win against him in a close fight?
That may sound racist, but even Floyd’s own father and trainer, Floyd Sr., admitted that he thought the decision should have been much closer. In the fifth round, Floyd Sr. was seen scolding his son. “What’s wrong with you, son?” he said, and urged the latter to try harder. He also admitted later that some boxing judges are “crooks.”
“I told Floyd he needed to do a lot more because we know some judges are crooks” was what Floyd Sr. said.
Some boxing analysts thought it should have been a draw or a split decision. Still others think Manny should have won. The decision was unanimous for Floyd.
“I thought I won,” Manny told the ring announcer after the decision was announced. Many viewers thought so, too.
Millions of boxing fans around the world clearly saw that Manny was the aggressor, that he landed the solid punches, and that Floyd was dancing away from him. At least twice, Manny’s punch staggered Floyd. Many thought that the decision for Floyd was a hometown decision.
Some boxing experts said the bout was a boxing lesson. It showed Floyd’s skill as a “defensive boxer.” But “defensive boxing” is boring to watch. Fans go to boxing bouts to watch a fight, not a dancing lesson. If the latter is what they want, they will go to a ballroom, not to a boxing arena.
True, Floyd is the scientific boxer and Manny is the slugger, just like Muhammad Ali was the scientific boxer and Joe Frazier the slugger in the two real “fights of the century”—one in Madison Square Garden in New York, and the other the “Thrilla in Manila.”
All the boxing greats in the world put their opponents to sleep and did not run away from them—the heavyweight Rocky Marciano, whose undefeated record Floyd is trying to break; Joe Louis, the longest reigning heavyweight champion in the world; even the middleweights Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard.
Floyd may break Marciano’s undefeated record, but he will never be a great fighter like Marciano.
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What’s next for Manny Pacquiao? Many people think he should retire now before he becomes punch-drunk like so many other boxers before him, including Muhammad Ali, the real “The Greatest.”
On the other hand, House Speaker Feliciano Belmonte thinks Manny, who is the representative of Sarangani, should not retire yet because at age 36, “he is still young.”
But boxers should retire, not when they are already old and decrepit, but when they are still near the top of their career so the people will remember them in victory, not when they are fading.
That is the tragedy of most boxers. “One more fight, one more fight,” members of their teams, who depend on their winnings for their livelihood, urge them, and the boxers, thinking of the fat purses, continue fighting.
“One more time,” they keep telling themselves after each bout—until that last blow puts them out of commission, permanently.
Manny should retire now, while he can still enjoy life, not when he is incapacitated. Enjoy your children while they are still young. Children grow up so fast, and they are soon gone before you know it, and you wonder: “Where did all the years go? Why did I not enjoy my children while they were still young?”
He doesn’t have to earn anything anymore. He has enough money in the bank. His income from his last bout alone is estimated to be P1 billion. Invest that in a time deposit at 10-percent interest a year, and that would yield P100 million yearly. That is enough even for an extravagant family like the Pacquiaos, if he does not squander it in foolish election campaigns.
Wise up, Manny. Don’t let yourself wind up like so many other boxers before you.
Read more: http://opinion.inquirer.net/84677/floyd-ran-all-night-so-how-did-he-win#ixzz3ZLZLz8Cf
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When Erwin Jejomar “Junjun” Binay was re-elected mayor of Makati in May 2013, he took his oath before Supreme Court Justice Estela Perlas-Bernabe.
Fast forward to today. Perlas-Bernabe is the new justice in charge of the Ombudsman’s case versus Junjun Binay. One link of Perlas-Bernabe to VP Binay is this: she was a regional trial court judge in Makati from 2000 to 2004. At the time, Jojo Binay was mayor. Marites Dañguilan Vitug
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I would give Perlas-Bernabe the benefit of the doubt. In past decisions, she has aligned herself with Sereno, Carpio and Leonen against the GMA-appointed justices, in particular Brion, Bersamin and Perez. Some of the notable decisions are:
o GMA TRO
o Corona TRO
o FASAP
o RH Law
o Jardaleza
o Ong dismissal
The Binay case will be a test of her independence.
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Requirements for public service: Candidates must be able to schooled in Public Administration. Must complete 4-year course, must be educated, must have passable IQ and EQ, must know this or that, etc.
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Nice but it wouldn’t ensure that we’re going to get a good leader. We’ll surely get an educated asshole setting the bar like that but certainly not one who we’ll trust with our future. So much for discriminatory requirements favoring the educated over the masa. We’ve been there, done that. The present requirements will do.
The important reform to undertake is to ensure election cheating is reduced to the barest minimum if not completely prevented from happening. Also, a continued education by the people regarding the issue of the right to suffrage and the protection that entails for it to be more effective and relevant.
Lastly, a little bit over-stretched from the issue is the one-term limit for the presidency. The right to be re-elected for a second term should replace the current one-term limit which serves as a straight-jacket for anyone who wants to be the top CEO in the land. They tend to squeeze everything they plan to do, including their personal agenda, in a six-year period knowing fully well that it’s just going to be a one-time chance in a lifetime. Together with official business, dishing personal favors in return for personal interest must be accomplished, bribes kept to minimum for effect but its frequency maximized. Cronies must always get ahead, family matters and members on top of to do list, etc. Plans and programs and projects initiated and started that looks good on paper will be left for the next administration for completion. A Hail Mary approach. Everything that will advance and promote personal interest will be the priority over public interest in a short span of six years.
Terrible! 💥
2 six year terms for president and vice.
question why not one 12 year term if the problem is not enough time, with so many to do?
Just like the US, a four-year term with the chance for one re-election with another four years for president and VP is just right.
A term should not be too long nor too short. There should be an interval where the public servant gets to be evaluated or rated by people based on performance. If the public like the performance it would be the basis of another 4-year term via re-election.
QUOTABLE QUOTES FROM THE BORING FIGHT OF THE CENTURY:
MAYWEATHER: “Winners Win, Losers have Excuses”
Mayweather must have an idea who Filipinos are.
true,mahilig tayo sa palusot pag natalo. BUT I refuse to call FILIPINOS LOSERS.
If there is a contest of running backwards and sideways, Mayweather won that.Pero ano kaya reaksyon natin kung umatras na lang sya at di tinuloy dahil injured. Lahat ba tayo magkorus na balik bayad, o duwag,palusot na naman kasi takot o anumang dahilan.
Dear President Noynoy,
Re the case of Mary Jane Veloso, the convicted drug mule in Indonesia, you have done superbly well in your moral suasion to stay her execution.
Now that the Veloso family, in cahoots with Migrante, are practically hating and blaming you for the reprieve, it is as plain as day that all they wanted was for the execution to go ahead so that they could collect as much money from donations all over he world. Absent that, their plan went haywire.
This is therefore to request that the Philippine government stop helping the Velosos, and let Migrante handle the case. Other overseas workers who are similarly situated should be extended succor instead, and they will be more grateful for it.
Yours for an enlightened Philippines,
GUINARONA
I think that just like in managing our health issues, we should treat the underlying disease and not the symptoms. The drug syndicate should be brought to justice and eradicated from society.
Take the case of a British citizen who is also waiting for her execution day, she had written her letters to say goodbye. She admitted being a mule as the syndicate has threatened to kill her son if she refused. That’s so tragic.
I am more in favor of doing to drugs (cocaine, meth, heroin, marijuana, etc.) what we did with tobacco or cigarettes and alcoholic beverages.
Get a massive information campaign on the dangers of using or abusing it but de-criminalize its trade, use, and possession.
Again, we will be relying on human nature which is weak, uncaring of consequences or fickle at the least.
Case in point is someone who knows that cigarettes and alcohol are dangerous to his health, but peer pressure will tempt him to experiment on them, before he realizes it, he is already addicted to smoking and is an alcoholic to boot.
Any attempt to cure him of those vices will likely be unsuccessful given that he is weak and uncaring in the first place.
Same with cocaine, meth, heroin, marijuana, etc. These addicts are a menace to the society, heinous crimes are mostly attributed to them as they no longer have the capability to feel any human compassion, anyone who refuses to support their addiction will be stabbed hundreds of times, when already high on drugs, they will rape and kill babies even old women, – they no longer know what is wrong or right. Jail the supplier and the users who enable them if they don’t want to be rehabilitated.
Pictures of emaciated lung cancer victims, with bald hair, all skin and bones, bedridden until death, fail to discourage them. I know, my nephew is one, and he had witnessed my father who was tortured daily by indescribable pain brought about by his lung cancer.
They just don’t care, bahala na si batman.
@Mary Grace
Selling cigarettes and alcohol to minors (below 18) is, by law, prohibited in the states. Some of course can get around it, but still. You couple that with massive information campaign (product labelling/warning on health risks, for example) and the decision to take in those substances becomes the sole responsibility/prerogative of the individual. It comes into the purview of his/her individual right to make decision as an adult.
Hence, in most countries at least, we don’t criminalize smoking and drinking anymore. The moment we do, organized syndicates and mafia will flourish, as in the prohibition era.
Ditto with so-called illegal drugs.
We can continue with the policy of criminalizing and wage a futile war against it or do a sensible thing : legalize, regulate, tax.
As it stands now, the use and possession of drugs is, when you think about it, a victimless crime.
‘As it stands now, the use and possession of drugs is, when you think about it, a victimless crime.”
Micha,
I beg to disagree…if that is so why are our countrymen/women being executed in other countries for being drug mules? I heard that more are scheduled or just waiting for their death sentence to be scheduled. That’s because these countries (like ours) recognize the evil consequences of drugs to health, to society.
I agree on levying sin taxes, a win-win decision, we raise revenue and we raise the prices of cigar and alcohol products to prohibitive levels to discourage consumption,
I even wish soda products and junk foods to be included in products subject to sin taxes, but drugs, my goodness , no, a thousand times no!
Being addicted to smoking, drinking, soft drinks and junk foods will not raise crimes that much, (although the health deterioration and its cost is really a cause for concern) but drug addiction surely will.
The only positive thing I can think of with regards to drugs is the kind used in palliative care for terminal cancer patients to alleviate the horrific pain that is torturing them, at least for them to die with relative dignity.
@Mary Grace
Again, like jameboy, you are presuming that adults are incapable of making independent and informed decisions for themselves.
You are also presuming that once decriminalization takes into effect, massive throngs of otherwise normal and sober individuals will troop to their nearest drug dispensary for a fix.
I’m happy to inform you that with the case of marijuana decriminalization that just did not happen. Those who came in the open were, for the most part, old time users who had been consuming and have access to those drugs even if if was deemed illegal anyway.
I am more in favor of doing to drugs (cocaine, meth, heroin, marijuana, etc.) what we did with tobacco or cigarettes and alcoholic beverages.
Get a massive information campaign on the dangers of using or abusing it but de-criminalize its trade, use, and possession. – Micha
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Wow, that would be catastrophic! Information campaign about the dangers of drug and at the same time decriminalizing it will be practically promoting the use of it!
Again, a terrible idea. 👎
@jameboy
Growing, using, and smoking marijuana is already legal in at least two states (California and Colorado).
Have you recently heard of catastrophe descending on those areas? How terrible was the result?
I am more in favor of doing to drugs (COCAINE, METH, HEROIN, marijuana, etc.) what we did with tobacco or cigarettes and alcoholic beverages. – Micha
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No problem with weeds. Those in the capital letters are the problem. Those are hard drugs. Poison. I don’t think I will see the decriminalization of those hard drugs in our lifetime.
If you think alcohol and cigarettes are the worst, it’s nothing. Those hard drugs are hell. Any information campaign about the dangers of using and abusing them without any threat of sanction or punishment is actually a promotion to use and abuse them. 👀
@jameboy
If an adult individual is caught using cocaine or heroin, who is the victim of his crime?
First off, I disagree with the notion of decriminalizing COCAINE, METH, and HEROIN. It is simply wrong. No amount of information campaign will soften the deadly effect of those drugs to people.
Now to your question. The victim of his ‘crime’ is himself, then his family and lastly the society. No matter how you look at it, victimless or no-crime theory, it is bad.
That’s the reason I understand countries that have strict laws against drug traffickers, addicts, etc. 🚷
“Now to your question. The victim of his ‘crime’ is himself,..”
There you go, mabuti at nahimasmasan ka. And we don’t put victims in prisons, do we?
The main thrust in decriminalizing drugs is to more effectively regulate its use and manufacture away from organized syndicates. Legal authorities then may be able to classify “soft” and “hard” drugs, control its pricing, and regulate its use in more or less the same way that a pharmacy has an OTC and prescription only drugs available in its stores.
Predictions of catastrophe and terrible results were also used by opponents of legalizing alcoholic drinks before. Nothing of the sort happened to society. Sure, there were cases of individuals abusing it but again those are conscious voluntary decisions they make as adults and falls within the purview of their rights and freedom.
Legal or illegal, individuals intent on using, manufacturing, and distributing will find their way around it. Authorities can chose to have more control of those activities or wage a futile never ending war on mafia syndicates and their mules and dealers and put victims like Veloso in prison.
Siguro ikaw ang dapat mahimasmasan. I’m not arguing about ‘victims’ I’m expressing my disapproval on what you said about “massive info campaign’ while ‘de-criminalizing cocaine, meth, heroine, etc.’ You brought up the victim issue to divert the focus from your wayward opinion on illegal drugs.
Before thinking of decriminalizing we have to determine first what are those we’re going to decriminalize and why. Do we decriminalize it because we are too soft in going after drug syndicates so we’ll just share in the profits with them? Or we do so because studies support that those hard drugs are beneficial in the long run?
No amount of downplaying the problem of alcoholism will make legalizing hard and deadly drugs an acceptable idea. Let the individuals or criminals find a way to get around the law but don’t give up because you think people will want to kill themselves no matter what.
Selling out because of fear and ignorance will never solve the problem. ⛔
And we don’t put victims in prisons, do we? – Micha
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Depends. If the one using is also selling that’s a different story. If the one using was able to do so because he resort to criminal acts to support his addiction is another story that clearly defeats the view that ‘victims’ do not go to prison.
Addicts are criminals with themselves as victims. Unless other people gets affected by their criminal or negligent act, we do not put to prison those who are victims of suicide. 👍
“And we don’t put victims in prisons, do we? – Micha”
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Yes, we do, on both counts. Drug users even if not pushers are subject to arrest and imprisonment. Victims of successful suicides are imprisoned in coffins.
@jameboy
Obviously, we are not going to agree on this issue because you are coming from default position that the state cannot trust its adult population to make informed and intelligent decisions and should be treated like little children impervious to dangers. We might just as well outlaw the use of fire while we’re at it.
I, on the other hand, is more hopeful and trusting of humanity’s ability to master, by accumulating knowledge and information, his environment and the things in it, including himself. That’s the thrust of information campaign that I advocate to deal with this issue.
The legalization of marijuana did not result in droves of normal sober people suddenly getting hooked on it. And it was a triumph of freedom that the state should get its hands off on those who consciously and voluntarily engage in using it.
I would suppose the same result with the legalization of, for example, cocaine. The drug had been around for centuries. Coca leaves were being used by South American natives as both medicinal and recreational substance long before Spanish conquistadores came to the continent. The original recipe of Coca-cola in 1886 included a “pinch” of coca leaves, the real thing.
“In 1995 the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute (UNICRI) announced in a press release the publication of the results of the largest global study on cocaine use ever undertaken. However, a decision by an American representative in the World Health Assembly banned the publication of the study, because it seemed to make a case for the positive uses of cocaine. An excerpt of the report strongly conflicted with accepted paradigms, for example “that occasional cocaine use does not typically lead to severe or even minor physical or social problems.” – Wiki
Ten or twenty years from now, cocaine is going the route of marijuana. The number of years could vary depending on how fast societies mature and stop treating its adult population like little children.
I was not arguing on the issue of whether or not the gov’t should trust its adult population. I was arguing against the view that hard and dangerous drugs should be decriminalize based on weak grounds.
What country trust its adult population well enough that it legalized the use of cocaine, meth and morphine? Meron ba? You are romanticizing the problem. Who abuses fire that you call that person ‘fire addict’? Meron ba?
You are looking at the problem and see it as an adult-children issue when it’s very clear that it’s all about the society as a whole and the dangers posed by hard drugs on the health and life of the people within the society that may threaten it’s stability.
You are simplifying it that you reduced the problem to trust by gov’t. on its adult population in making decision on hard, addictive and dangerous drugs.
Aba, we cannot even make an informed and intelligent decision in our elections and here you are trusting the people to decide their own lives in handling cocaine, meth and morphine? I tell you, that is terrible thinking!
You can hope for the future legalization of cocaine, meth or morphine why not but as for me the world is alright now banning them. 👀
Micha,
Only Washington and Colorado have legalized marijuana. California’s bid for legalization was actually hampered by the alcohol industry as well as children of hippies up in Northern California who have secured their niche in the market, and would rather enjoy the status quo than legalization.
Marijuana should be legalized. Alcohol seems steady. Nicotine, with all the public shaming of smoking, has largely disappeared here-but the industry has pivot towards countries like the Philippines. So maybe a public shaming effort there is necessary.
You don’t really get addicted to marijuana, you get addicted to the high. There is no known biological reaction. Alcohol you can get addicted to, and there is a biological dependency associated but since this is ingested as a drink, your body can easily puke it out. Nicotine too, whether chewed or smoked, unless your body can intake this poison continuously, day in day out, will rid itself of it (it takes years to form into cancer).
What you are doing is dangerous because you are playing false equivalency with the above drugs to the drugs like cocaine, heroine and meth. The body reacts differently to these drugs, focus should be in this difference–the mechanism for addiction.
Coca leaves is totally different from processed concentrate cocaine. If your argument is that people will know how to use these drugs with just proper dosage, and a public information campaign, that’s exactly what the pharmaceutical companies here did with opiates and meth (medicinal cocaine here is used topically as a cream, anesthetic).
Opiates were widely used as pain medicine and meth for ADD kids. Basically they get addicted to the pills, and because they got addicted, their doctors stopped prescribing, because no Rx, they look for pills elsewhere, they find pills which cost $20 a pill, they discover that 5 balloons of heroine is also $20, they go with heroine. Same scenario with meth.
Legalization for marijuana is successful. Their biggest problem now is driving under the influence of marijuana–but they tend to go slow, compared to alcohol impaired drivers.
Marijuana’s a different kind of drug. Alcohol is worst than marijuana. Nicotine’s not necessarily worst than alcohol visavis the high and public costs, but the habit itself ensure some sort of cancer. But the three above substances afford the user a certain level of reprieve, from which she can gauge her addiction and maybe go to an AA or seek help–basically there’s always an exit at every mile market with these drugs.
Cocaine (especially crack), heroine, meth, there’s no reprieve. Once your body is hooked it is hooked, the physiological effects of the drugs dictate your life and the downward spiral is instantaneous. Cocaine (powder, clean cut) might be a better drug, compared to heroine and meth, but erring on the side of caution it is best to consider these three together.
But worst than the above are the synthetics that China is making tons of and shipping them here. LSD and PCP would be a safe starting comparison, but if you’ve watched the news here of people high on synthetics eating their friend’s faces or killing his pregnant wife then eating their fetus, these synthetics are a lot worst than LSD, PCP.
So those are roughly the three different substances out there, legal or illicit, from a pharmaceutical company or cartel, made from a lab or naturally sources. Know your drugs, know the type of addictions, know the mechanism of these addictions, before you nilly-willy call for blanket legalizations, ie. marijuana isn’t heroine, meth isn’t synthetic bath salts.
This discussion would be better served if you guys considered every substance individually and weigh its effects with legalization. Don’t use marijuana as a blanket example, it’s the worst example simply because it’s the least dangerous of all the substances we’ve so far named.
@jameboy
Societal evolution takes time but yes, we’ll get to it eventually.
In the meantime, cocaine use is a yearly $75 billion cottage industry and growing.
Deal with it.
Micha,
Prohibit something and they will find it elsewhere,korek ka dyan,so what is the solution?. For example do not prohibit sale of fire arms, until everybody has a gun,a rocket launcher,etc.?
Cocaine,meth,party drugs unprohibited won’t stop everybody from having them no matter how many graphic posters or movies or surgeon general warning labels. Was it the graphic pictures of lung cancer patients that limited cigarette sales in the US or the knowledge that you can sell elsewhere with many willing buyers?.
Societal evolution takes time but yes, we’ll get to it eventually. – Micha
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Translation: I pray for equality with everybody. Eventually, all countries will have nuclear power and we’re better off for it. Guns and deadly firearms will be available to everyone just like buying candies in the candy store. Cocaine, meth and morphine will sit side by side with Coke and Pepsi in groceries. McDo, Carl’s Jr. and the like will compete with drug restaurant chains such as Marie Cocaine-der, Morphine King, Meth Mon Luk, etc.
Funeral parlors will abut every hospital and clinic in the country for convenience and demand purposes. Vast tracks of land will be converted to miles and miles long cemeteries that Manny Villar will be forced to cease his housing project business and go join the cemetery-building trend. And succeed again! Congress will legalize suicide and rape will just be a thing of the past.
Jojo Binay will be beatified by the Vatican because of what he’s done in Makati, and for his family.
In the meantime, cocaine use is a yearly $75 billion cottage industry and growing. – Micha
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Translation: You guys are correct. But fuck life, fuck health! Do you know what $75 million can do to us if we’ll just focus on the financial windfall of legalizing hard drugs?
Let the people, the adult ones, make “informed and intelligent” decision and let the government profit from it.
Scary indeed. 👀
@jameboy
Your dystopian characterization of societal evolution completely misses the point of evolution. Species evolve to better adapt in their environment. Cars meta evolve with better functionalities; more efficient gas mileage, better brake system, for example. Mobile phone models evolve with higher bit and memory functions.
Evolution means better. Evolution means transcending the old ways unsuited for adaptability.
So fret not…we don’t have to outlaw every single danger we encounter. We devise a practice to understand and try to master them. That’s the method of life, that’s the method of evolution.
Deal with it.
Micha,
And we don’t have to legalize anything just because it generates money. Evolution is not destruction unlike what you’re espousing. Evolution is not decay or deterioration, it should be an improvement for the better.
In the course of the discussion you made a lot of alibis from not letting adults be treated like children to billions of dollars in hard drug dealings to support your theory of legalizing hard, dangerous and lethal drugs. Now, we’re into evolution. Nothing reality-based idea of why hard drugs should be decriminalize.
Instead of lecturing about evolution, which apparently you have mistaken for something that can be recognize because of its peso/dollar sign, you should be talking about why legalization of cocaine, meth and morphine will improve the evolution of society and make man better than what he is now.
Is there an indication at present that you recognize to be a positive sign that the mentioned hard drugs maybe decriminalize in the next 5 or 10 years? Can you cite a specific and concrete examples of people or society who are now practicing the legal use of the subject hard drugs that support your theory of legal evolution on drugs? Are there studies, research, enlightened theories, etc. you want to share with us about the positive effect of hard drugs in the mind and body of people which is without doubt beneficial in the long run?
Those are the things you should be talking about instead of utopian characterization and romantic expression of what an evolution is.
Puro ka drawing. 🙂 👎
Isn’t the discussion here frame wrongly? It is not between legalizing drug completely and criminalizing drugs completely. It should be about better approaches to reduce all harmful effects of (drug) addictions, better than the current one that has proven to be ineffective, or even worst it might be fueling the problem.
Addiction is a complex phenomenon. People are not born (drug) addicts, people do not become addicts along one single path for one single reason.There is not one supply mechanism, with one controlling supranational type on mafia, there are many. Several vicious loops exist, they can work together to create deadly cocktails.
A lot of (scientific) research exists (and even more political motivated literature). What has to be done at the demand side is the promotion of evidence based methods to prevent addiction and to mitigate addiction. On the supply side the underlying “economic” rationality has to be dismantled, drugs as an (illegal) economic commodity.
What I learned in the dog-obedience classes is that a dog learns as much from one pad on the shoulder than from ten kicks in the ass. People too, I believe. The efforts going into a dead penalty could be used 10 times more effectively on the prevention side.
@jameboy
“And we don’t have to legalize anything just because it generates money.”
And you had not been paying attention. I advocated for decriminalization in order for authorities to more effectively regulate and control the use and manufacture of those substances since habitual users will have continued access even if it remains illegal anyway.
“Evolution is not destruction unlike what you’re espousing.”
Where in my posts did I espoused destruction?
“Evolution is not decay or deterioration, it should be an improvement for the better.”
Now you’re making progress – we have something to agree on. Keep it up.
“Nothing reality-based idea of why hard drugs should be decriminalize.”
Dang, you really have no skill in paying attention, do you?
“Instead of lecturing about evolution, which apparently you have mistaken for something that can be recognize because of its peso/dollar sign…”
Incoherent rambling. Non-sequitor.
“…you should be talking about why legalization of cocaine, meth and morphine will improve the evolution of society and make man better than what he is now.”
Regulating, understanding its perils and benefits, its ups and downs, its plus and minus…that is how mankind and society will have to deal with the problem. Those are readily available substances and you can’t put the genie drug back into the bottle (pun intended) because people will always find a way to use and manufacture those no matter what.
Will it improve society? Well, if we can mitigate the problem that’s always an improvement, isn’t it?
And btw, evolution always means an improvement. The phrase “improve the evolution of” is a redundancy.
“Is there an indication at present that you recognize to be a positive sign that the mentioned hard drugs maybe decriminalize in the next 5 or 10 years?”
Nicotine, alcohol, and marijuana had been legalized. Are you seeing a pattern here?
“Can you cite a specific and concrete examples of people or society who are now practicing the legal use of the subject hard drugs that support your theory of legal evolution on drugs?”
Cocaine’s status as a club drug shows its immense popularity among the “party crowd”. It might be illegal but I don’t know how the police will handle those upper echelon brats, sons and daughters of the rich and famous and including the famous themselves who have ready access to it.
“Are there studies, research, enlightened theories, etc. you want to share with us about the positive effect of hard drugs in the mind and body of people which is without doubt beneficial in the long run?”
Cocaine, for sure, has medical value. And consumed in moderation (always in moderation), even the World Health Organization (WHO) have sanctioned a study which shows “that occasional cocaine use does not typically lead to severe or even minor physical or social problems.”
Use your browser. Google always has the answer.
Now it’s your turn to propose a solution to the drug problem.
Micha,
“And you had not been paying attention. I advocated for decriminalization in order for authorities to more effectively regulate and control the use and manufacture of those substances since habitual users will have continued access even if it remains illegal anyway.”
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Well, if that’s the logic why not decriminalize rape and corruption and all the murderous ways people can do because they can do it anyway or as you aptly put it, “they will have continued access even if it remains illegal anyway”? Terrible!
Decriminalization thinking that people will do it anyway is not solving the problem, it’s selling out. It’s not fighting crime it’s surrendering to it. Decriminalization in the guise of effective control and regulation is not going after criminals and bad guys, it’s competing with them for profit.
Oh yes, I have been paying attention to what you are saying and the various alibis you presented convinced me that you do not really have a foundational idea to support your wayward theory of the issue.
“Those are readily available substances and you can’t put the genie drug back into the bottle (pun intended) because people will always find a way to use and manufacture those no matter what.”
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There goes that familiar logic again. Why stop on hard drugs? People will find a way to commit corruption so why not legalize corruption, too? Your reasoning for decriminalization is very flawed because It is not really based on sound reasoning and logical justification but basically rests on imaginative conclusion.
“Nicotine, alcohol, and marijuana had been legalized. Are you seeing a pattern here?”
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The only pattern I see is the way you twist and lie about facts. Marijuana, unlike nicotine and alcohol, has not been fully legalized. Legalization of weeds still hang in the balance in most countries. Be honest, please.
“Cocaine’s status as a club drug shows its immense popularity among the “party crowd”. It might be illegal but I don’t know how the police will handle those upper echelon brats, sons and daughters of the rich and famous and including the famous themselves who have ready access to it.”
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You “don’t know how the police will handle” those rich and influential people with regard to illegal drugs so you are more open to decriminalizing it? Nice reasoning. We don’t know what our police, the people we trust to uphold the law, will do so we might as well consider the easy way out, take the issue out of the hands of law enforcement and let the legislators address the problem through legalization. That’s no evolution, that’s laziness pure and simple.
“Cocaine, for sure, has medical value. And consumed in moderation (always in moderation), even the World Health Organization (WHO) have sanctioned a study which shows “that occasional cocaine use does not typically lead to severe or even minor physical or social problems.”
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Even poison have medical value; even feces occupies space. But that’s not the point. I was inquiring about studies or research, etc. showing the positive effect of hard drugs in our body to support your opinion of decriminalization.
“Now it’s your turn to propose a solution to the drug problem.”
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I’m not proposing a solution I’m expressing my opposition to your decriminalization theory. I thought you have perfected the mastery of paying attention?
Google is fine but don’t just parrot what you get from it. We have innate intelligence, it won’t hurt if you use it sometimes. 👍
Isn’t the discussion here frame wrongly? It is not between legalizing drug completely and criminalizing drugs completely. It should be about better approaches to reduce all harmful effects of (drug) addictions, better than the current one that has proven to be ineffective, or even worst it might be fueling the problem. – josephivo
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Nothing’s wrong with the framing. For guidance, you may want to start your piece with “cocaine, meth and morphine” as the basis of your premise because that is what the issue of decriminalization or legalization emanates from. 💉
@jameboy
“Well, if that’s the logic why not decriminalize rape and corruption and all the murderous ways people can do because they can do it anyway or as you aptly put it, “they will have continued access even if it remains illegal anyway”?
Now you don’t even understand the basic difference between drug use and rape.
Rape has both a victim and a perpetrator. That goes with both murder and theft. Merong nagkasala at merong biktima.
A drug user, on the other hand, has no victim, no aggrieved party. He uses a drug by his own personal, conscious, and voluntary decision. What gives the state the right to impinge on that basic personal freedom? It’s an absurd form of legal justice to send the victim to prison. And it’s even debatable if “victim” is the right word for it since, for most users, they are doing it for fun, for recreation.
Gets mo na?
Micha,
Many times than not, the drug user and the rapist is the same; the burglar and the drug user; the thief and the drug user are one and the same; the robber robs to get his drugs.
You may differentiate between drug user and drug addict, and that maybe apt for nicotine, alcohol and marijuana. Let’s call that group 1.
But for cocaine, heroine, meth (group 2) it’s only a matter of time before a user becomes an addict, and it all depends whether that addict is a prey or predator in the hierarchy of crime–whether she simply sells her body or he robs or kills to get something of value to get the drugs.
With synthetics and PCP/LSD (group 3), you don’t really need an addiction process, you can lose your mind as soon as you use these, either ending up killing yourself or others.
So this assumption that drug use or addiction is a victimless crime has to be rethought visavis the first group of drugs, then the second group and then the last group of synthetics.
There is no such thing as drug use or drug abuse that takes place in a vacuum, it happens in the world and it affects people. This naive idea that this is all victimless needs to be adjusted.
It is a victimless if you look at it in a peephole. If you ignore the big picture, of course, it doesn’t have a victim. People killing themselves slowly is fine. He’s bothering no one aside from the fact that he is exercising his inherent right to live his life the way he wants to and he wants to be a drug addict, bang he’s dead. Next!
Is that the way you reason your way out in this conversation, giving lame and weak justification to support a wayward idea?
Let’s go back and read again a question and answer part in our conversation.
Question: If an adult individual is caught using cocaine or heroin, who is the victim of his crime? – Micha
Answer: Now to your question. The victim of his ‘crime’ is himself, then his family and lastly the society. No matter how you look at it, victimless or no-crime theory, it is bad. – jameboy
See the big picture in my answer which you twisted conveniently when you responded back by omitting the ‘family and society’ and just focused on the addict as the victim? You are making it appear that an addict is an island. They live by themselves hence we should not bother them for they are not bothering us. Very wrong.
If there are no victims, what are the drug cartels and syndicates for? What’s the liability of drug pushers and couriers in the scheme of things? What is the accountability of those people drug addicts procure their merchandise from? How about the drug money, aside from contributing it to political matters, do we spend it just like ordinary income? The condescension is killing me!
If majority of the population are drug addicts you think society will be able to evolve into something positive and productive? Ay-yay-yay! And how about the families of drug addicts, are they not affected by what’s happening with their loved ones?
Micha, do you really understand what you’re saying? 👤❓
@Lance Corporal X
“Many times than not, the drug user and the rapist is the same; the burglar and the drug user; the thief and the drug user are one and the same; the robber robs to get his drugs.”
I honestly don’t know what to say here because I think you’re implying correlation with causation. It’s a false cause fallacy (cum hoc ergo propter hoc). You are projecting a hypothetical crime that a drug user may or may not commit.
I drank coffee this morning. I may or may not murder my noisy neighbor this afternoon.
Doesn’t it make sense that if I indeed proceeded to murder my noisy neighbor you are going to charge me with the crime of murder and not the crime of drinking coffee?
Would it make sense to criminalize drinking coffee from here on out?
@jameboy
I think we’re just going in circles here. I previously said that we are most likely not going to agree on this issue and that’s fine with me. I am not here to convince or convert you. No need to belabor the point.
What I espoused is an attempt to offer a suggestion on the problem of drugs. It may not be reasonable for you but that is ok too. Time will tell how will this play out.
Thanks for engaging.
Micha,
We’re not going in circles, your idea is just being probe at every turn and unfortunately you cannot come up with something concrete to buttress your position on the issue.
To tell you frankly, the idea of decriminalization is not really that worse. Hard drugs can be strictly prohibited and at the same time be allowed in a very limited basis. Just like what they did in medical marijuana, the hard drugs we’re talking here can still be availed by people who really needs them not for vice but for medical purposes.
The problem was the presentation of your position as if the government is encroaching on something as sacred as right of choice which it is not. That you imply that people are being treated not as adults capable of making the right decision but as mere robots because the state just want to dictate to them; that we are evolving hence what is bad now will be good tomorrow. That you insinuated that financial consideration be given priority over health and life of the people. Those are all reasons that did not strengthen your position because they can easily be debunked.
I get you that you just want to propose a solution but proposing is different from advancing a position that has no solid support to justify it. What was lacking in your view were the research, studies and ongoing experiences with hard drugs that points to the possibility of it getting decriminalize in the future or the hope for it to happen.
I do not agree with you but rest assured nothing is taken as an offense in our exchanges. 🙂 Thank you too.
“A drug user, on the other hand, has no victim, no aggrieved party. He uses a drug by his own personal, conscious, and voluntary decision. What gives the state the right to impinge on that basic personal freedom? It’s an absurd form of legal justice to send the victim to prison. And it’s even debatable if “victim” is the right word for it since, for most users, they are doing it for fun, for recreation.”
This is delayed reaction as I had been to the north for two days on an exciting company outing.
A very shocking analysis. A drug user has a family he robs from and hurts when he runs out of money to support his addiction, they are victims. Society too, when his family runs out of the resources. Anyone he snatches from or kills is a victim.
Basic personal freedom stops when an individual starts encroaching or impinging on another’s basic personal freedom, unless he lives in a world all by his lonesome. When the drug user becomes sick as a result of his addiction, the family becomes a victim as they have to pour resources to have him rehabilitated, That costs money too, you know, if he is so sick and bedridden, family will take care of him even if they have been reduced to poverty level.
I know of a family who had to take care of a son who got cancer by sniffing drugs, he did not die at once, he lingered on and on and on after cancer treatments and after depleting the family resources. No one said, it was not his basic personal freedom to sniff drugs, no one said let him be, its his own look out, they took care of him, that is love. If that is not being a victim, I don’t know how to call it.
Would it make sense to criminalize drinking coffee from here on out?
Micha,
You’re not even attempting to understand the serious substances in question, again meth/heroine/cocaine isn’t like marijuana, or coffee.
You’re missing the mechanism of addiction, how these substance create the dependency which in turn creates the crime–money doesn’t grow on trees after all, how do you think they get it… crime.
You keep on using analogies that mask the severity of these substances. My advice is to read up on how addiction, for each substance, works. By so doing, you’ll further your side if you start arguing from a position of knowledge instead of relying on over simplified analogies.
re correlation vs. causation, it’s causation because they either have the above drugs in their system at the time of crime (they were high) or they have a long rap sheet involving those drugs. So no, it’s not like coffee.
@Lance Corporal X
There’s a lot of stereotyping going on around here. Your assertion,for example that all drug users will eventually become drug addicts is simply not true. I personally know quite a number of people; good, decent, middle-income folks who occasionally and in moderation engage in cocaine use. They don’t go craving for it. Most are in stable relationship and are raising kids of their own.
The presumption that all drug users will then go about raping, robbing and murdering people is preposterous. The stereotypical image of a wasted addict with nothing good going for them and is looking to rob people for his next fix has dominated our fears and the irrational reaction at the suggestion that its possible to regulate and use those drugs in moderation to avoid its harmful effects. Even regular food can be harmful when consumed excessively.
Micha,
I agree with you re cocaine use (if you track my initial comment above), compared to say heroine or meth. But that largely depends on the quality of cocaine, ie. some cocaine are cut with different substance that can be dangerous, same idea with crack.
Once you engage with cocaine use, you tend to counter said high with heroine or pharmaceutical downers, when you ‘re dealing with opiates that’s when the calculus changes, therein lies the connection. But yes, people in high places who are pretty smart tend to control their cocaine use.
So I’ll give you cocaine (although I think you’re pretty naive about how these drugs are used in concert with each other), Micha, but this…
“The presumption that all drug users will then go about raping, robbing and murdering people is preposterous. The stereotypical image of a wasted addict with nothing good going for them and is looking to rob people for his next fix has dominated our fears and the irrational reaction at the suggestion that its possible to regulate and use those drugs in moderation to avoid its harmful effects. Even regular food can be harmful when consumed excessively.”
This you can’t keep on saying without any semblance of proof. jameboy has been urging you to back your claims and you have yet to do so, and now the above. On my part it’s not presumption because here in the states, the connection to addiction with the crimes perpetrated is clear as day. It’s not preposterous because there is proof in the numbers.
Can you control meth and heroine, and pharmaceutical opiates? That’s basically what you have to prove here, Micha. If you legalize heroine and meth and opiates can users “regulate and use those drugs in moderation to avoid its harmful effects”?
Again, marijuana, coffee and regular food don’t have the same mechanism of addiction as these serious substances. So stop with these analogies already.
Micha wants those totally banned like medicinal marijuana and cocaine allowed to be prescribed.Fake prescriptions,fake narcotics agency control forms is another issue.addiction and substance abuse and other crimes that go with it is another.
Those that affect the brain and stimulants that won’t let you sleep and eat should be banned. Solvents can make you forget about eating. Empty stomach,empty brain. Empty brain makes you do stupid stuff.
If you can’t sleep you abuse downers,sleeping pillls,sedatives,alcohol
Alcohol can dehydrate brain faster,combine that with other brain damagers,it is a coctail for disaster.
Combine uppers with downers is a roller coaster ride ten times in a row.
The war on drugs and the zero tolerance of the last 50 years in the US is a total failure. 30 million Americans has been in jail for drug related crimes! Problem worse than ever. As in Holland more money should be spent on the demand side and less on the supply side.
Addicted people are sick people, not criminal people, and they should be treated as such.
At the supply side the national syndicates should be targeted, not the small fishes.
Some addicts kasi na nasa rehab na, tumatakas pa, then back to drugs again, creating mayhem
Yap, just as some other sick people, not every treatment, hospital or doctor is equally successful… More evidence based medicine needed also for the addiction problem in it’s entirety?
Prevention, open attitudes, decriminalization are other alleys, Just continuing the failing approach of the last 50 years is excellent for the dealers but not for the addicted.
I paid $40.00 for weed card. Unfortunately it is not valid in New York.
Addicted people are sick people, not criminal people, and they should be treated as such.
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How ’bout if addicted people commit crime to support their addiction? Addicts are a wink away from being criminals. 💀
And drunk people beating-up spouses? After adequate punishment, eliminate alcohol or promote AAA?
Crimes are crimes, if sick people (addicts) have to resort to crime, let’s try to break that link by offering alternative roads to their addiction, see the Dutch approach and the immense difference in incarceration and the big difference in addiction among Dutch nationals.
Not all are created equal, some are more intelligent, some are physical stronger, have a better immune system, stronger will power…. Not all are educated equal, some can afford elite schools, some are born in wealthy neighborhoods, some have very warm, thoughtful parents…. Not all have the luck of finding virtuous, caring friends, loving partners, emphatic bosses…. Let’s be compassionate with the less fortunate. Let’s try to help them in their difficulties like addictions.
Fighting only the bottom of the supply side wielding guns, firing squads at hand, has the opposite effect as what is intended, proven for more then 50 years now by the US, but Americans like their guns too much, they are too suborn to admit. To the contrary, their propaganda gets louder and louder. (A few States are turning around though.)
“And drunk people beating-up spouses?” This is so true… drunk husbands act like boxers, discus throwers, mixed martial arts experts towards their hapless wives.. then on the morning after, will kneel down at the feet of the still black and blue wife (who is sporting bumps and bruises in the neck and head) and cry, asking for forgiveness and promising not to touch alcohol again…promises thrown out the window when friends comes a knocking again bearing bottles of the so-called cuatro cantos gin, a carton of cigarettes and pulutan… this is a true story, another one is about a drunkard and a drug addict repeatedly raping his beautiful, mestiza teenage daughter and impregnating her.
“Addicted people are sick people, not criminal people, and they should be treated as such.”
joseph,
Yes, they are sick people, but when they cross the line , when they commit heinous crime, can they claim being sick, being an addict, being mentally ill to mitigate their crime?
Yap, as I said above: “After adequate punishment, eliminate alcohol or promote AAA (for comparable alcohol – also a drug – addicts)? ”
Most common crimes of drug addicts are the same as those of many (power addicted) politicians but in much lesser degree: theft, aggravated or not. After adequate punishment we should try to break the link between addiction and criminality: the exuberant cost of an election campaign, the impossibility to acquire drugs in a controlled manner. On top we should try to reeducate politicians to become less greedy and the electorate to elect decent politicians or addicts to become less addictive and society to become more caring. Guns and firing squats alone are not effective tools, see 70 years of corruption in the Philippines, 50 years of the war on drugs in the US. What to learn from less corrupt countries, what to learn from countries with less drug addicts?
Addiction as corruption are complex phenomena, they need many actors to change behavior: legislators, professionals, public opinion, the addicted and their environment, law enforcers, supplier chains, research institutes, civil action groups…. just to name a few. Not one but several vicious negative reinforcement cycles are to be broken: physical, psychological, psychiatric, “immunity”, perception and self image….
Pleading temporary insanity,what i it is no longer temporary but long term?
The pharmacy is a source of dangerous prescription drugs, pdea control forms can be faked.Prescription drugs like valium,alprazolam,lithium,etc can be abused.
So stop abusing? control and regulate?
Influence(good or bad) does not only affect children and teenagers,otherwise there would not be any politicians,salesmen,teachers,priests,pastors,etc.
Information campaign as suggested by Micha is good,but before decriminalizing anything make sure access to anything dangerous is controlled like firearms,deadly weapons,poison,drugs .
What happens if you control sales, the problem is after sales like stealing dad’s gun from the vault, getting a knife from the kitchen, getting medicine that is not for you.
We go back to self discipline and self regulation, sadly self discipline is a rare gem.
Even if we put cctvs in all rooms of homes,offics,streets and add portable hidden mini cameras,without discipline and trust,nada.
If and when the government considers this radical idea of Micha and proceed with massive information campaign on the dangers of cocaine, LSD and others mentioned by Lance, even if it secures the supply I (as surely supply will increase) like Fort Knox guard US gold, criminals will find a way to rob that supply depot like they do banks…that is surely a magnet that will attract evil people who will kill anyone for money. Mexico’s example is scary…people are dying there in drug wars as well as in addiction.
Mas matindi mpunity dito kesa Mexico at Columbia.Scary indeed.
http://www.efe.com/efe/noticias/english/world/impunity-from-justice-its-worst-the-philippines-mexico-and-colombia/4/2060/2592252
Exactly… corruption impunity abetted by the local lords and allegedly by plundering senators and congressmen aided by the corrupt military. Add to that mix the drug business, Micah’s faith in humanity’s ethical maturity notwithstanding, and it surely is a scary scenario. Some adult people I know act more juvenile than misguided youth. Guns, drugs, impunity, mafia-like political dynasty, God help us all.
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Aling Celia is the pawn of communist. What comes out of Aling Celia is not hers but the communist.
After a long talk with someone crying…
I have the impression that people do not only leave the country only for economic reasons. Some flee the “social” pressure here, the difficult balance between keeping all others happy and being happy yourself, between giving up someone else’s utang and your own wellbeing, the constant fear for jealous family members, friends and neighbors as soon as you have the slightest success. I see Filipinos abroad as more open, more speaking out, less looking over their shoulder who might attack them. Why is it that Filipinos control each other so intensely? Why not enjoy the success of someone else? Some good properties are sometimes so exaggerated until they become a vice.
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Tall poppy syndrome as related to crab mentality?
This is described as “a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.” (Wikipedia)
According to the same source, the syndrome is prevalent in Anglosphere nations (UK, Australia, New Zealand) but in my experience the targets of derision are usually celebrities and non-family members. (It can also occur in the office environment.)
In the Philippines family members participate in the derisive behavior, so this is a virulent strain of the syndrome. The successful member, the outlier, is usually approached for an utang (loan), and if the outlier says no all types of cutting remarks and vile accusations are heaped on the poor soul.
It’s the entitlement of neediness?
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How comes that the Tall Poppy syndrome disappears as soon as they sit on a plane out of the country?
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Ahaha. Because the tall poppy has disappeared and is no longer available as an object of immediate derision. Two things happen:
1. The tall poppy becomes an average poppy in another country.
2. Locally, because of distance, the tall poppy regains his status as a tall poppy. Or rather a hero, an object of hero worship. He becomes an object not to be derided but an object to be respected because he has escaped, to be proud of, to be emulated, to be praised and groomed — for whatever blessings he may deign to rain down on those left behind. It becomes a case of absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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The tall poppy syndrome in Oz is an innocuous form of exercise, i.e. sarcasm. Germaine Greer stands out as a common resolute target.
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The syndrome seems to have women, like the Minogue sisters, and prime ministers as their main targets. Julia Gillard was both. And Greer participated in the derision of Gillard. A case of the abused becoming abuser.
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“The successful member, the outlier, is usually approached for an utang (loan), and if the outlier says no all types of cutting remarks and vile accusations are heaped on the poor soul.”
My sick septuagenarian aunt, who is still caring for our bedridden nonagenarian grandma and so needs assistance to do so, has been crying while confiding to my sister. A relative who is assisting her is being paid on a monthly basis but most often than not, her allowance is paid 2, 3 or even 4 months in advance not counting the loans she regularly asks from her. It came to a point when she has to be confined in a hospital and all her emergency fund we provided are all used up, so no more loans could be given. To top it all, upon arriving from the hospital, she found my nonagenarian grandma all alone in the house. This relative who failed to get a loan abandoned her job as assistant caregiver leaving my aunt stressed out and crying, and now all the children of this relative are treating her like she is a monster, ignoring her and turning their back when being talked to. And to think that she has not yet rendered the services for the salary advances.
My aunt is just receiving a P1,500 pension from the SSS, and a recipient of our contributions for their living expenses and upkeep, compared to these poor relations, she is kept comfortable and not wanting, but not successful in the sense of the examples being discussed above..
How can I be generous to these poor relations who treat old people like that?
I abandoned the Philippines because of Social and economic pressure. It is in the U.S. that nobody laugh at my English and spelling. When I started at McDonalds, REAL AMERICANS did not look down on me. ONLY THE FILIPINOS IN AMERICA. Filipino Patrons of Jollibee USA do not bus their trays. They just leave it on the table. But when these same Filipino go to American restaurants, they bus their tray.
The difference between hard-core intensely catholic Filipinos and secular Americans is so glaring that I cannot help noticing.
How can I take out the bold letters? There is no edit button. My apologies.
sadly I observe this too.
Long timer no read from you, gian…
has been a very busy month with regards to work maryg missing thing conversations here a lot.
The Americans know better how the Filipinos look like. When I was in Los Angeles, on the 10 Freeway in West Covina, there is a mall there which they posted a huge picture of a browned-skin punk’d nose Filipina. This is sacreligious to Filipinos because they’d rather splash a Filipina who has no Filipina feature at all.
In Cerritos Mall, a huge picture of browned-skin Filipina toodler hanged in the canopy for all to see. This is sacreligious
BofA billboards in it full view show a browned-skin pig-snout Filipina. DeVry University, too! Los Angeles Metro Transit Authority on their busses plastered a browned skin Filipina.
TOTALLY SACRELIGIOUS TO FILIPINOS! FILIPINOS WANTED PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT THEY ARE WHITE AND NOT LOOK LIKE MOMMY D.
The half-breed half-white colonizer look is promoted by Philippine Media making the traditional brown skin Filipino as 2nd class citizens
Another quirk of Filipinos is when they lose the debate they go attack your English despite English grammar is just fine. Why the addiction to English Grammar?
Most obvious I can think of is the change in perpectives in the two environments. It is like a brain reset to get a different perspective on things that may be bothersome or stifling, part of survival mechanism. If there’s no push-out stressor, the “flee” action opens up more options. Many times choosing to stay means more same-same options.
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– The economy
– Technology
– Government services
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“AsiaPay PH: Igniting Ecommerce through Online Payments”
http://technology.inquirer.net/41937/asiapay-ph-igniting-ecommerce-through-online-payments
Why not set up each of 42,029 barangays as – among other things – a sales portal.
Each barangay has a uniqueness about it. Be it its inhabitants, its fauna and/or flora, …
“A portal is an online interface that delivers information and interactions that help accomplish a goal.
“So, a sales portal should increase sales effectiveness through delivering actionable information and tools that help salespeople close deals. It should also be an internal collaborative community for the organization.”
Source:
http://marketinginteractions.typepad.com/marketing_interactions/2006/12/whats_a_sales_p.html
“… since photos of him showed that he looks like an average “pignoy”—that is, so ordinary and nondescript one would mistake him for a sidecar driver (no offense to sidecar drivers, mind).” – REINA JIMENEZ
http://opinion.inquirer.net/84731/lesson-learned
Reina Jimenez is unconcsciously showing her true colors. RACIST !!!!! She’s talking about you! YOu hoi polloi ! You minimum-wage working-class Filipinos !!! You Filipinos who are not tisoy tisay absence of colonizer looks and skin.
REINA JIMENEZ HATE YOU DEGENERATE BROWNED-SKIN LOW-CLASS PINOYS !!!!
Reina Jimenez-David is subsconciously showing her perceived bias towards tisoys, tisays, tsinitos and tsinitas because they are not “ordinary and nondescript … sidecar drivers”
Reina Jimenez-DAvid cannot keep her intentional repressed racism in the can.
IF ONLY THAT THAI WERE AMERICAN, it would have been OK with Reina.
Rina Jimenez-David is not a vicious person, MRP.
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– Religious faith and the lack thereof
– The United States
– Education
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Please watch this short video
“Are King James Bible believers idol worshippers?”
http://j.mp/kjv-idol
I will try later to relate it to the three bulletted points (above).
btw, for context, please see
Each barangay a portal
ps: 631 comments have been posted to this “OPEN DISCUSSION” thread the last time I looked.
[This is probably the 657th comment in this thread.]
The Philippines is probably not the biblical place, “Ophir.”
But it could be. Some say it is!
http://j.mp/rp-ophir
In any case, it has much to offer.
It is the only country to have more than two “wonders.”
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/RP-0/conversations/messages/550
To me, the country has (at last count) 42,029 wonders – its barangays.
The country has 7,000 islands?
And the world has 7,000 languages?
The Philippines just happened to be the way it is,
or did God make it the way it is?
The Philippines just happened to be the way it is, or did God make it the way it is?
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I don’t think God has anything to do with the Philippines. I don’t even think somebody has anything to do with what we are except us. 🚶
You are right, jameboy !!!
FILIPINOS answer their own prayers. If their prayer fails, The Church says, “work as hard like you pray hard”. If prayer suceeds, which fail most of the time, The Church claims credit for God.
In another scenario, God left the Philippines when Magellan, the messenger of God, got garroted by Lapu-lapu. God was defeated by Lapu-lapu actually. To this day, People of Republic of Cebu celebrate the killing of the messenger of God, Magellan.
In 3rd and final scenario, God made Filipinos the way they are like God made the Jews extremely intelligent.
So, let us pick which scenario is right for the Filipinos. I’d pick the 3rd! It means that Filipino cannot change like they have not change for the past 500 years.
More important is that God likes to create Filipinos. In 100 years he created only 5 million Belgians, from 5 to 10 million and in the same time period he created 100 million Filipinos, from the same 5 million to 105 million! Or may be it is easier to make Filipinos or the Filipinas are helping Him better. Who knows?
GOD SEEMS TO FANCY CREATING INFERIOR RACE. Most inferior races are RELIGIOUS.
DARN it! There goes the bold letters again and I cannot edit it. When I am at Inquirer I use bold all the time. When I switched to Joe’s I thought I was in Inquirer. Excuse my being bold.
What is a superior race? taller, more handsome,prettier,smarter,more,athletic??? Neo-Nazi?
The Philippines will continue to be the “exception” in Asia and in the world as its economy is expected to continue its upward growth momentum, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said. May 2015
Yeah, dream on Kid; Malaysia and Vietnam are miles AHEAD !!!
1. ENGLISH-SNOB PHILIPPINES WAS cuddled, babysited, fed, educated by the U.S. since late 19th century ….
2. Vietnam was obliterated by the U.S. and liberated themselves in 1972. They are now way ahead of the Philippines.
3. South Korea was demolished in late 50s. They are now the gem of South East Asia
4. Taiwanese crossed the channel to Taiwan in the early 60s was hunted down by Chiang Kai Shek. They are a hundred times better than Philippines
5. China ousted the foreigners during cultural revolution in the 60s. They are now number one economy in th world
6. Japan came out of the ashes of war. They produced the best electronic companies and the largest bank in the world.
7. Thailand. Better than Philippines
8. Indonesia liberated from the Dutch in the ’40s
9. Singapore
ALL OF THEM ENGLISH-CHALLENGED countries left behind ENGLISH-SNOB PHILIPPINES.
While Filipinos are perfecting and studdying English grammar and spelling these English-challenged countries are perfecting their mathematics.
LOOK WHO IS LEFT BEHIND NOW?
One good thing the Filipnos are proud of is their heads-of-state go to State Function all over the world without ….. without a phalanx and army of interpreters ….. whereas all of the English-Challenged countries are humbled by bringing with them interpreters.
WHO IS GREAT NOW?
Under the past two administrations (yes, I’m including Gloria, yes she was corrupt and I hate her, but give credit where credit’s due she did a lot of good things for the country), the Philippines had finally begun to see the progress it lost under Marcos. While other countries have surpassed us and there’s still a lot more work to do, what matters is that the foundation has been laid.
One way for us to progress even further is to change the attitudes of Filipinos. Particularly in corruption. If there is enough discipline to keep corruption in check then that’s already overcoming a huge stumbling block. Next, political dynasties. I don’t think dynasties are wrong by themselves (see the Kennedys for an example of a dynasty done right), but steps must be done to ensure that every Filipino has an equal chance in serving the government. One way to do this is to make a law which would probably do something like: prohibit any relative of a politician up to the fourth degree from immediately (the key term is immediately) succeeding the politician’s position. That’s essentially the goal of the Anti-Dynasty Bill, but the chances of that passing are lower than the Death Valley.
Err, I’m having a hard time digesting the idea that Gloria “did a lot of good things for the country.” A lot of good things for herself, right, but for the country? I don’t think so. 👎
Well it was under her administration that the SCTEX, new Iloilo and Bacolod airports were finished. She also helped promote ROROs (as unsafe as they are these days). And, in the spirit of “every cloud has a silver lining”, her corruption led us to elect P-Noy as President 😉
One suggestion I can think of is to make the local police chief accountable to the town citizens by making the position an elective office. Then the police chief would be beholden to the people and not to the mayor. Term limits would have to be set.
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To stop politicizing the police make them political. Lol! 🔫
The same premise Micha’s idea about hard drugs is structured around. To stop their abuse decriminalize them.
Why the penchant for selling out, for giving up? Is surrendering really an effective problem solver?🚶
YUP! If you cannot beat ’em, join ’em !!! Americans have given up on weed. It is easy to grow and easy to hide. More importantly, weed is medicinal. I have $40.00 weed card from my neighborhood weed doctor. I sleep like a baby when I do one these.
“MANILA, Philippines–The Philippine Daily Inquirer remains the top choice of ABC1 newspaper readers in major urban areas in the country, according to the 2015 First Quarter Consumer and Media View survey by The Nielsen Co.”
NO WONDER THE FILIPINOS ARE MISINFORMED AND ELECTED BINAY AS THEIR VICE-PRESIDENT.
The Filipinos did not who Binay is. IT IS THE PHILIPPINE DAILY INQUIRER THAT MADE FILIPINOS KNOW BINAY AND THEY ELECTED HIM THRU WHAT THEY READ WHO BINAY IS IN PHILIPPINE DAILY INQUIRER.
With the Supreme Court, COA, DOJ, Ombudsman and Trillanes joining forces, Binay is going to jail.
YUP! The Supreme Court has decided Aguinaldo Principle is “outdated”
Supreme Court will also decide presidential immunity is “outdated”
IT IS “OUTDATED” BECAUSE THEY WANT BINAY BY HOOK OR BY CROOK. THEREFORE, SC, DOJ COA AND TRILLANES ARE CROOKS!
Filipinos cannot know the logic why Aguinaldo Principle and presidential immunity are “outdated”. They want to fight the crook with crookery. Since Filipinos adored and marvel of the “outdating” of these two principles, THEREFORE, THE FILIPINOS DESERVE TO BE “OUTDATED” SOON.
Cannot defeat Binay? Change the rules of the game. Make Aguinaldo Principle and Binay’s immunity as “OUTDATED”
Cannot defeat Mayweather? Change the rules of the game. No more running around the rosie, no prancing around, no hugging, no kissing.
Cannot win election? No sweat! No problem! Sue the living daylight of the opponenet. If opponent wins, Sue COMELEC. Sue anyone!
THIS IS THE CULTURAL TRAITS OF THE FILIPINOS.
Pnoy talked to Grace Poe. What about? Kung sya ang llamadong manok anung role ni Mar at Trillanes? Paging Jameboy,you have been saying good stuff about Poe,care to add?
Actually, if you read my previous posts I’m bias for Mar Roxas. I think the guy has earned the right to run for pres. and be supported by PNoy. I also like Grace Poe because, as a newcomer, she’s showing potentials of a good leader. But I would like her to run with Mar in the meantime that she’s gaining more experience and knowledge about the office she might run for after Mar. 🏃
Ah ok.Many thanks.
I also like the demeanor of Mar Roxas. He has this humble look with a traditional Filipino look.
DITTO !
Roxas does not have the airs of a noveau riche; he belongs to a distinguished respected lineage, so much unlike the social climbing ACTORS of the Phil. congress.
I agree. I hope in the weeks and months to come, he will have better ratings in the surveys. I find it hard to believe that those chosen to participate in these surveys are not cognizant of these facts and still prefer Binay and Poe. Let’s pray for Mar, let’s do something to spread his good qualifications in comparison with those two who are leading.
I’m sorry to say this, but those who are opting to choose Roxas as the presidential candidate to fight against Binay in the 2016 presidential election are opting for the worse that can happen to the Philippines. As everybody knows, Roxas is not a winnable candidate. Are we waiting for a miracle to happen? Well, let’s keep our fingers crossed.
I’m also sorry to say that I do not understand what you just said. The worse thing that can happen to Pinas is to choose a non-winnable candidate? Doesn’t make sense.
Why will it be worse when, if what you say is true, Roxas is not going to serve because he’s not going to win? And if he is worse who’s the best?
Are you insinuating the best that can happen is choosing the winnable candidate like Binay? Again, it doesn’t make sense. 🙉
Ah, jameboy. I’ll have to make it easy for you. Anyone endorsing Roxas for president would in effect be endorsing a Binay win because Roxas is not a winnable candidate according to the surveys. Against a candidate who is not winnable, Binay will surely become president after the election. Now you decide if that will be worst or best for the country. My judgment is that it will be worst for the country.
Now, you guys, you can keep on going for Roxas if that’s what you want then hope for the best, better yet…pray. That’s why I asked if we are waiting for a miracle to happen. It’s not the best option but I’m not against that.
Surveys conducted here and elsewhere are for me, not a proper gauge to determine the winnability of a candidate, no matter how scientific it is conducted..
I find it hard to believe that the preference of a 2,000 or 1,500 chosen participants reflect the preference of the more or less 60 million voters. But that is just me.
Sadly, when results are released and a certain candidate is shown to be preferred by majority of a given sample, people are influenced in their final decision.
That was clearly shown in the previous election, with the exception of Poe who became number 1 instead of Legarda who regularly tops the opinion surveys.
I have found two schools of thought regarding this, 1) An Appeal to the Masses and 2) the Bandwagon mentality. If you have time to read, here are the analysis by Steven Slate January 12, 2012
An Appeal To The Masses is one of the laziest, weak minded, and philosophically revealing fallacies one can engage in. In short, this is the form of such an argument:
Conclusion X is true because everyone (or a majority of people) believes it.
That’s all there is to it. It simply asks you to believe a conclusion because everyone else does. To this I ask the classic question: If all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you? That’s what we’re dealing with here, a childish immature mentality – and it just gets much uglier as adults adhere to it.
This fallacy is also known as an Appeal To Belief, Argumentum Ad Populum, Argument By Consensus, and Appeal to Majority. It’s very close to an Appeal To Authority – but the authority in this case happens to be a large group of people – and rather than the authority figure having some special knowledge which is unknown or unknowable to us and our puny minds, the authority is simply the populace, and they somehow have the power to democratically establish facts!
In the great addiction debate, the fallacy is often used like so:
Everyone knows addiction is a disease – why don’t you just shut up and accept it.
That’s pretty simple. It’s also used more specifically in regard to 12-step methods of recovery:
The 12-Steps are the best (or often “only”) way to recover from addiction. Alcoholics Anonymous works for X millions of people, it’s in X number of countries, and is used by every treatment center.
Big deal. At one time, most doctors believed that bloodletting was a great medical treatment for any condition. Most everyone believed the earth was flat, and that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Just because a particular belief is the norm or in wide usage doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily true. Scientific facts are not established by consensus – they’re established by the presentation of evidence and logical arguments based on that evidence. Just because I could get everyone to believe the Earth is flat doesn’t make it so.
Just like the Appeal To Authority, the Appeal To The Masses is particularly attractive to those with low self-esteem and loads of self-doubt. People who put more weight on acceptance from others, and view others’ thoughts and opinions as more valuable than their own, are likely to both fall for, and end up using Appeals To The Masses – and more likely to go for a specific form of it:
The Bandwagon Fallacy
The Bandwagon Fallacy (aka The Appeal To Popularity) takes this basic form:
Belief Y is popular – therefore it’s correct.
Such an argument is targeted at your most primitive fears – that you won’t fit in. “Why do you have to be the guy who ruins the party by bringing facts into the equation? Just go along with our irrationality – we don’t necessarily fully believe the conclusion, but we think it’s good, and by the way, we’re too lazy to check its validity.”
Usually, I witness people in the recovery culture chastising people about the importance of accepting the disease concept, but occasionally I’ve witnessed a strange mind-game that resembles the previous paragraph. When the in-crowd of steppers are discussing the disease issue with someone who’s on the verge of busting the myth with some truly critical thinking – they start saying the following points:
We don’t mean that it’s a literal disease, it’s a disease of the mind.
It’s just a disease of the spirit – you get that, right?
We just meant it’s like a disease, not literally a disease – and that helps a lot of people, so it’s a good thing
Its dis-ease, because you’re not at ease. That makes sense right? Be cool about it. It’s not bad.
It just helps people make sense of things.
AA has no opinion on the disease concept, that’s an “outside issue” – but it helps a lot of people to see it as a disease, so it’s alright to believe it.
This is a strange phenomenon, but it’s the application of a roundabout social pressure to believe the disease conclusion. They offer up several different interpretations of the significance of the term “disease” within the recovery culture, express equal approval for each others’ vastly different conceptions, and then somehow endorse the disease belief because it includes all of these (which may be the use of an anti-concept), and attempt to put the critical party in the position of feeling “uncool” and “close-minded” if he stands by the real meaning of disease and judges the concept’s applicability to substance use. They’re essentially saying “we all think it’s a good idea, and you should too – and stop asking so many questions. It’s cool to just accept it and not think about it. You don’t wanna be uncool, do you?”
The difference between the Appeal To The Masses and The Bandwagon Fallacy (Appeal To Popularity), is that the former says everyone else “believes” therefore it’s true – while the latter says everyone “approves” or that the view is “popular” and therefore to be accepted as probably true – “hey jump on the bandwagon with us, it’s cool up here, we’re all easygoing and into it, and we’re not gonna try so hard (because trying is uncool) to be black-and-white thinkers by determining the truth or falsity or even a stable definition of this particular belief (the disease model).
It doesn’t matter whether everyone believes the earth is flat – if you know it’s true, stick to your guns – you’ll discover the new world, and be much cooler in the long run.
It’s alright, Mary, no problem with me. And there is no need for any deeper scientific analysis of this matter of surveys since to me this is just a matter of personal choice. Just like on any matter worth discussing, religion for example, or, this matter of surveys, one can either believes, or don’t. You don’t and I respect that. You have all the right. Cheers!
See how you confuse yourself and in the process make if harder for the readers to figure out what you mean in what you said?
Let me explain. In saying this,
“Against a candidate who is not winnable, Binay will surely become president after the election. Now you decide if that will be worst or best for the country. My judgment is that it will be worst for the country.” – Bert
You’re admitting that a Binay win will surely be worst for the country. It’s not about Mar not being winnable, it’s about Binay surely wining that makes it worst for the country because Binay will run the country not Roxas.
About ‘praying’, sure, everybody prays to win not only those who wants Roxas to be president. With regard to ‘miracle’, hey, Roxas is number 3 in surveys. It’s not like he’s number 300 for you to say it will be a miracle if he wins.
Anyway, enough of that. What we should be talking about is who are you supporting as pres. and vice-pres. next year. I asked that to know if ‘praying and miracle’ will apply to you. 👳
jameboy, I will tell you who I will support for president and vice-president when the political line up is established and we know who are the candidates. My belief is that a vote for a candidate who is not winnable is a waste of my vote so winnability of the candidate is an important factor. Binay is winnable but because I want the next president to continue the clean governance initiated by President Noynoy Binay is farthest from my endorsement.
As to ‘praying and miracle’, I am not a believer on those things so if you think that’s the best option to make your candidate win the election then who am I to contradict you.
Playing hard to get eh? 🙂
Why wait for a line up? You mean you based your thinking now on what the lineup will present in the future? You you don’t have any inkling or personal choice whom you think will be a good pres. or vice-pres.? C’mon!
Again, you are talking in circles. You said your vote will go to a winnable candidate but coyly implied that Binay was “farthest from my endorsement”. Binay falls within the ambit of your belief hence there is a possibility that you will vote for him in case Grace Poe decides not to run for pres.
Don’t tell me I’m right. 🙂
As to ‘praying and miracle’, I am not a believer on those things so if you think that’s the best option to make your candidate win the election then who am I to contradict you. – Bert
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Bert, it was you who talked about ‘praying and miracles’. I merely acknowledged the fact that it exists.
Don’t tell me you forgot that? 🙂
It’s okay for Renato Pacifico to do that, he’s a known Binay fan. I just hope the others are not secret Binay fan too. :).
Here’s hoping she stays there and legislate more meaningful laws and chair more senate investigations in aid of legislation. Poe, stay there where you are effective, please. I elected you to be a senator but don’t use that position as a stepping stone for a higher office like others do.
But, but, in my IMHO, she has a higher ambition, proof is her fear of antagonizing her allegedly plunderer friends, compadres by denouncing them. She is a politician with no opinion or if she has one, she is keeping it to herself for the reasons stated. If she is not aiming for a higher position, maybe I can hear from her regarding the current issues, most specially the findings made by the AMLA and the recent decisions of the CA to freeze her compadre’s assets.
haaissst… scratch the “in my” .. sorry…IMHO is already enough… aarrrgh
you must be a very good accountant, and you are a perfectionist.I used the fallacy of yunangnapansinkosayononsequiturum
hindi naman, average lang…I only use my eyeglass for reading novels kasi…I usually edit my posts pero pag nagmamadali, daming na mi miss…poor editing and always in a rush due to limited time…o/c na kaya ako? heaven forbid hahaha
deadma mo lang,Joe said be proud of meaning. MRP said… I forgot pero tungkol sa editing. OK lang yan.Take from me puro error din.
http://www.samarnews.com/news_clips23/news489.htm
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another bill na wala pa ding nagyayari
PNOY should have certified it so it can be prioritized, his admin legacy…that would have been great… do they have still time to enact this into a law?
A good article on the Filipino mindset, waiting for part 2.
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/110393/opinion–why-pinoys-dont-bring-their-bad-habits-abroad-part-1-of-2
Haven’t finish reading the link provided, but my short response to the above titled article is this:
No matter the reasons or justifications, why can’t we respect rules, policies and laws no matter where we are.
It’s a very sad truth, but this is a very apt description of our culture (applicable to most, not all)
“Pag gusto, may paraan, pag ayaw, may dahilan.”
If we want to do something, there is a way, but if we don’t, there are excuses, justifications, blah blah.
I can truly say growing up during times earlier, there were truly good old days. Our fledgling institutions had chances to become beacons of authentic public service: we couldn’t wait to take a stab at a Civil Service Certification to be qualified practitioners of the chosen professions, e.g. teachers, engineers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, and other civil servants, and be part of the national and local civil infrastructure. There was pride attached to membership in the various branches of government and private enterprise: graduates of PMA, NBI operatives, graduates of branches of ROTC, qualifying for Philippine Airline Flight school, qualifying to be police officers of Manila Police Dept or Baguio Police Dept. Our young scholars seemed to have nothing but open ground to break into. Or were they just pipe dreams. In my generation’s case, the years were 1967, ’68, ’69.
Those were the days my friend, we’d thought would never end… Mary Hopkins? another of my mother’s favorite.
Their English is better than today’s; they can do their math without calculators and computers, they are into reading books instead of wasting time with gangs and vices.. If only they were not so poor, my mother could have been a senator or a doctor.. whoa..hahaha!
Mary, those times of your sainted mother and mine and others our age, seemed to have been lived in a bubble. Looking back there were indicators as to which segment of the socio-economic spectrum one belonged to and one could imagine what it would be like enjoying the greener pastures at the other side. My own weakness to indulge from the pop culture were the romantic songs and movies from Hollywood. I could not afford my own copy of LP albums by favorite singers and I had to rely on the radio stations (on AM, not even FM) to spin those favorites. We waited for the latest Hollywood offerings at Rizal Avenue theaters with our PHP 1.20 or PHP 0.85 (double programs). One had to save for Mami & Siopao from Ma Mon Luk or fried chicken from Max’s in Kamuning (that was the one and only resto then) to top a Saturday’s indulgence with friends.
Those were our days, indeed. 🙂 We thought they’d never end. Now, we must afford the electronic accelerators (laptops, iPods) to transport us in nanoseconds to wherever we want to zip to. Namamahalan pa rin ako sa karamihan ng mga gadgets. Kaya sa Youtube na lang ang bagsak ko to enjoy the same songs of the past your parents and I enjoyed.
Those are the golden years…when lyrics mean something worth remembering. There are new songs, too with good ones, although rare, most are just noises not music (I can’t seem to develop a liking for raps)…
My father prefer the bouncy tunes like march bands (as in those playing during fiestas, Ruben Tagalog, Larry Miranda, Asin, Coritha..the Beatles, Gee Gess….I bought them all when he was sick of lung cancer… we played them all day long at home while I hopped from one grocery store to another looking for the biggest and juiciest soursop (guyabano) and carrots as well as the herbal teas.
na murder and Bee Gees bwahahaha…
Many thanks for the link josephivo. My anaswer to the question is cultural. Whenever a Filipino go to someone’s house, they are always told to behave. Talk when talked to. Leave the slippers behind. Always watch manners.
Filipinos abroad are visitors. They think they are visitors. And they behave. MOST OF ALL, FILIPINOS ARE AFRAID OF FOREIGNERS !!!! Becaue they are tisoys. Like Tisoys in the Philippines, they are respected because they were colonized by the Tisoys now and forever.
Filipinos have this idea that White is always Right. Brown is neither right nor Wrong. They are just being careful.
“49 lawmakers involved in PDAF and DAP”. They will try very hard to win the election so they can be protected by Aguinaldo Principle.
Sereno only “outdated” Aguinaldo Principle and immunity exclusively for Binay Family only not for 49 lawmakers.
Whoa! Took me an hour to get to the last comment. 🙂
Two days to Joe’s homecoming.
Good news: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690936/court-freezes-binay-assets
God bless you, Juana for sharing this link. What a good article to read first thing in the morning! It gives me hope that our fight against corruption is still going strong notwithstanding the defense lawyers’ attempt to derail it.
Again, thank you.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690974/warning-letter-from-binay-camp
How did they ever come to know that the Inquirerer has the CA freeze order already? Dami nilang moles s Malacañang, press, CA, etc.
Now in a panic mode, they are.
It is indeed good news. Let us hope that something will come out of it because the freeze is only for 60 days.
Hope the SC will come back with more good news on this front so the Ombudsman could act without restraint so justice could be served.
Maybe once and for all, the truth will come out about this convoluted affair.
Fear not, it’s for 6 months. Hope it’s longer, really, or permanent… hahaha…we all know how slow the wheel of justice turns in this country. I also hope it’s not too late, the freeze order, that is. The VP’s wife has just gone abroad, my suspicious mind is at work knowing they have moles everywhere.
“The ex parte petition for the issuance of a frozen order is granted. A freeze order is hereby issued valid and effective immediately for a period of six months,” said the order by the CA’s First Division. It said Binay’s accounts in banks, insurance and securities companies should be frozen “wherever they may be found.”
Here’s hoping too that they have not converted their cash to US $, since our dear legislators have not lifted the confidentiality of dollar deposits. They have learned from the former CJ’s impeachment trial that they can go the way of this convicted former CJ – convert to dollars to escape scrutiny. As usual, protecting their own interests.
The BINAY defenders are all busy maligning Abad and his relatives for initiating the AMLAC investigations and for requesting the CA to freeze their Boss’ assets. They are howling like wild dogs and pointing their fingers at LP for Binay’s woes and as always, saying political motives, political persecution because their boss has declared from the start his candidacy for president.
Their desperation is showing.
Is Trillanes in the LP now? God bless you Trillanes, and the AMLAC. CA, you have redeemed your court at least in my eyes, thank you for doing your job, guys.
PAG-ASA ISLAND—The defense department has approved a plan of the municipal government of Kalayaan in Palawan province to allow commercial planes to use the runway on Pag-asa to bring tourists to the disputed island in the Spratlys.
Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690967/defense-dept-oks-plan-to-allow-tourists-on-pag-asa#ixzz3ZxYaG5ax
HA!HA!HA! TOURISTS ARE HUMAN SHIELDS. THE STRATEGY OF INHUMAN PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT IS BRING IN FOREIGN TOURISTS. FOREIGN TOURISTS ARE APPREHENDED WITHOUT APPROVED CHINESE VISA THEN IT BECOMES INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT.
FOOLISH PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT !!! FOOLISH !!!! WHEN CHINESE BRING IN THEIR BATTLESHIPS, “TOUGHIE” PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT WILL COME RUN TO PAPA !!! HIDE UNDER HER SKIRTS.
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WARNS THE AQUINO GOVERNMENT IF INCIDENT INOVLVING HUMAN TOURISTS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WILL NOT PROTECT THE FILIPINOS EXCEPT OUR U.S. CITIZENS.
The Filipino government is playing with tourists lives as pawns !!! I am warning the Philippine Government not to do it. Where in the heck are your religion guiding you to?
Of course, the Filipino government are only goot in dal-dal. This time, there will be no pang-damays of the tourists. They’ll back off. My country will not allow their racist little brown brothers to play the tourists.
My country will issue travel advisory going to Spratleys. They will be warned that the Philippine government is making the tourists a human pawn and human shield to spark a war between David and Golyat.
Hopefully, Grace Poe will agree to become Mar’s VP! Now, how to translate it to victory is another thing.
I wish she would finish her term as Senator to which she was elected.
If Philippine Media are in favor of Grace Poe as Mar’s running mate they can give her free media exposure. Otherwise, they can break the bank of Mar.
Like Binay, who I did not know from Adam, was shoo-in by the Philippine Media. I elected Binay not the fault of my own but by the Philippine Media ultra-exposure.
Now the plot is thickening. Rumor is flying that Binay is getting out of the race. If the rumor is true, will there be a Roxas-Grace Poe contest?
Guys, aren’t we excited about this?
Binay gotta quit his Presidential ambition despite people wanted him to run. Lookit what they have done to him. If only he had accepted Benigno’s proposal not to run so they can forgive and forget this scandal.
Hope the rumor is true! Just goes to show that Binay would just abandon his presidential run rather than part with his billions. At least he is true to form! Ahahahaha.
It is not a rumor. It was published in Gossip Newspaper The Philippine Daily Inquirer. The ultimate source of gossips, intrigue and innuendoes !
While Joe is away the government plays:
1. Pacman lost. Pacman accepted defeat. Filipinos cannot. They accused Mayweather of running, dancing and hugging Pacman. They wanted World Boxing Federation and Nevada Sports Commission to do a Sereno to make running, dancing and hugging OUTDATED. Currently they are not listening.
2. Aguinaldo Principle in which by election the crooks are forgiven if elected and Vice-President Binay Immunity are OUTDATED by Sereno
3. The Philippine Media and Court of Appeals violated the AMLC law for outing the Binays. This is another law that will soon be OUTDATED
4. The current principle is: IF YOU CANNOT BEAT ‘EM, OUTDATE ‘EM.
5. 49 lawmakers are accused in NEW PDAF-DAP anomaly on top of the OLD PDAF. This is NEW!!! Not the OLD which no one yet have been found guilty.
6. The Government will soon be sending tourists to Spratleys with the intent of them being apprehended and harmed by Chinese to spark international incident to involve foreign countries. It is called PANG-DAMAYs STRATEGY. I am hoping foreign countries will give out travel advisory going to Spratleys for they will be made pawns by Philippine Government
7. Mayweather challenged Pacman for a re-fight provided Pacman present MRI before the fight. Currently there is pre-fight in the court of Nevada over alleged injury.
8. Quotable Quotes of the Century by Mayweather: WINNERS WIN LOSERS WHINE. Mayweather addressed it to who else? Your guess is good as mine.
9. Like in the past election, Joe will withhold his political jabs in support of Mar-Poe in coming election based on COMELEC Law, foreigners are not to meddle in election. I am hoping Sereno OUTDATEs this law.
10. Many Americans claimed to be as Filipinos made it in the news just because their parents are Filipinos when actually it is the Americans that educated and trained these individuals to be successful. If these previous-Filipinos were not in the U.S. they would never have succeeded.
11. Bench and Penshoppe` t-shirt brands sold locally never mind internationally, hired foreign full-white models instead of locally produced models making the Filipinos 2nd class citizens
12. There is a new section in Inquirer called PREEN. All their models are non-traditional looking Filipinos. They are full-white, half-white, half-breed English-snobs. No browns and coloreds allowed to send in their pictures.
13. Half-black half-Japanese Miss Japan stirred controversy for being half-and-half to represent Japan in Miss Universe. Cannot happen in the Philippines. Currently the reigning queen of beauty is a German. With German last name. Halt ein! Halt ein! Stop reverse discrimination!
14. If COMELEC cannot allow Joe to meddle in local elections, it is fitting a German beauty cannot represent the brown-skin colored Filipinos in Miss Universe.
WELCOME BACK JOE!!!!!
American laws are not malleable, read here: http://abc7.com/pets/army-veteran-arrested-for-saving-dog-from-hot-car/719331/
Filipino laws are. It is elastic. Malleable. And, can take different forms to bizarre!
But this is not America. This is the Philippines where almost everyone are naturally crooks. They are even wild-eyed why they are arrested. They do not know what they are doing is illegal because illegality is sooooo natural nobody can know that it is so.
But Philippines is in dire strait. They have to set an EXAMPLE:
1. Set an example to the crooks and to the rest they cannot get away with crookery;
2. It also set an example that laws can be bent no matter how illegal;
3. an example that the laws in the Philippines is not something anyone can lean on to.
Therefore, it is just MORE OF THE SAME.
What I am trying to explain here is, laws should not be bent just because they cannot get Binay. It can only be reconstituted for the next criminal.
I AM NOT SAYING BINAY HAS TO BE FREE. What I am saying to make the Filipinos trust and respect the laws.
What Sereno is doing is illegal in the context of America but legal in the context of the Philippines.
MORE OF THE SAME!
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Binay is the NEXT defendant.
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hahaha… this is dedicated to MRP.
this is the Philippines… we are unique, we have our own identity, we have our own culture, trying to eliminate the bad ones and improving on the good ones. take it or leave it…we took it, you didn’t that’s why you left for America.
just don’t demean us so, please.
Carry on the GOOD FIGHT ☂
Telling the truth in the Philippines is demeaning. IT IS CALLED CULTURE. This culture is good. And they are improving it.
Philippines is not America. America is not the Philippines.
America is corrupt. Philippines is corrupt.
Racism is not in Americans
Racism is in Philippines
They do not know it
Until they come to America
These racist Pinoys scream racism in America, “Hey, yo, that is not right! That is racist, yo!” They scream, they shout.
We raised Filipinos in America to be goot citizens.
We educated them. They stop at a STOP sign without police.
They stand behind the yellow line not told.
Filipino succeeds. Philippines claim them as theirs
As if superior genes runs in their veins.
Helix, double Helix. Diribus nucleic Acid is superior when they come to America.
Philippines is not America. America is not the Philippines.
When Philippines go to America they become a tad bit of American
When they go back to Philippines they become Philippines.
They violate every written laws they plagiarized from America
They convert American law to Latin ‘cuz they thoughting it is cool, brilliant and feeling like intelligent.
CORRUPTION, PLUNDER IS NOT OUTDATED YET! BECAUS PHILIPPINES IS NOT AMERICA AND PHILIPPINES IS NOT AMERICA.
PLEASE DO NOT COME RUN TO PAPA.
This article from one of my favorite columnist (Yoly Villanueva-Ong) truly inspired me. Guys, sorry for my long postings nowadays, just scroll through it if you are not interested, but I tell you, this is a must read.
If not BBL, what?
On the Bangsamoro Basic Law, it is prudent to take a stand only after knowing all the facts. Let us resolve never to open our mouths or rant in social media without doing our homework.
Yoly Villanueva-Ong
Published 10:10 AM, May 13, 2015
Updated 10:10 AM, May 13, 2015
The Mamasapano tragedy practically blinded the country with rage. The Bangsamoro Basic Law (BBL) was deemed collateral damage for the death of 44 Special Action Forces troops. Media and some legislators milked and spun the last of vestiges of the tragedy to thwart the peace process. Even now, it’s still held hostage by the incident.
Wading through 122 pages of the BBL draft is no joke. Even the senator campaigning against it confessed to not having read it in its entirety. As critical as some lawmakers are about BBL, they seem stumped and tongue-tied when asked what their “better” solution would be. The fact is, a framework for peace must be in place before harmony and development can happen.
There are those who are riding on Mamasapano and other consequent issues to push their personal agenda. They are hoping that by taking what seems to be the populist sentiment, their standing in the coming elections would be bolstered. So why should their pronouncements be taken seriously? These are precisely the characters that should be banished from our 2016 ballots.
In the last Pulse survey, 88% claimed to be aware of the BBL. This was in response to the question, have you heard, read or seen anything about BBL? It doesn’t mean they actually read the proposed law. More likely, they were merely mimicking the opinions of their favorite radio commentators or the ubiquitous anti-BBL politicians who mouth off in all available TV programs. After all, it is free media and a prelude to 2016.
Of those who claimed to be aware of BBL, only 21% agreed with BBL, 44% disagreed and 27% were undecided as of March 2015. The largest number of objectors came from Mindanao (62%), followed by NCR (53%) Visayas (43%) and Balance Luzon (32%).
There was an insidious attempt to fan the anti-Moro sentiment. The foulest joke, “A good Moro is a dead Moro” was revived with a delighted smirk. Politicians claimed Moros were treacherous and MILF should not be trusted. A big issue was made about Mohagner Iqbal being a nom de guerre. These diatribes coming from the mouths of trapos was the ultimate irony. I mean, just look who’s talking?
Citizens’ Peace Council
The Citizens’ Peace Council was composed of five convenors who were known for their spotless records, expertise and credibility in their chosen fields. They headed four clusters that tackled BBL’s main areas of contention.
These were Chief Justice Hilario Davide for constitutionality; Jaime Augusto Zobel de Ayala for economy and patrimony; former ambassador Howard Dee and Muslim youth leader Bai Rohaniza Sumndad Usman for social justice and human development; and Cardinal Chito Tagle, represented by Bishop Ambo David and Father Joel Tabora.
The 4th cluster on peace and order and human security was headed by co-convenors Dean Edilberto de Jesus and General Alexander Aguirre. Each cluster invited their own resource persons and experts composed of deans of various law schools, Mindanao businessmen, civil society organizations, religious, academe and indigenous peoples. In all, about 136 people participated in the Peace Council.
Despite attempts by some in media to paint them as yellow puppets – the collective wisdom, clarity of thinking, compassion and diligence shown by the august body was inspirational. Invested columnists were unbelievable for their thick-faced allegation that these pillars of integrity are rubber stamps of President Aqunio – incapable of independent evaluation.
In the intensive three weeks that the four clusters examined, deliberated, researched and pored over all the available studies, they declared that BBL is “overwhelmingly” compliant with the Constitution. It is also the most viable instrument for lasting peace.
BBL recommendations
Only one stipulation was recommended for deletion: Sec. 3 (e), Art. XV that provides for the opt-in of contiguous areas where there is a resolution from the local government unit or a petition of at least 10% of the registered voters in the geographical area for their inclusion, and majority of the registered voters vote for their area’s inclusion in a plebiscite called for that purpose.
Other contentious issues simply needed clarification, definition or rewording:
• The BBL does not make the Bangsamoro Government a state. The provisions on “people,” “territory,” and “self-determination” do not imply the creation of a separate state, but are consistent with the constitutionally mandated creation of autonomous regions.
• The inter-governmental relation between the National Government and the Bangsamoro Government is consistent with the allocation of powers mandated by the Constitution. The defined relationship between the National Government and the Bangsamoro Government embodies the essence of genuine autonomy, based on principles of subsidiarity and solidarity.
• The Supreme Court and the constitutional bodies continue to maintain the powers that are given them under the Constitution. There is neither substitution nor diminution of powers intended or effected by the creation of the Bangsamoro human rights, auditing, civil service, and electoral offices.
Some provisions on economy and human security also need a more detailed explanation, based on the recommendation.
• The Bangsamoro block grant that has been speculated as pork barrel funds supposedly worth P75B, only amounts to about P10.5 billion, as the rest is already part of the existing annual appropriations to the ARMM. The grant was warranted to help the Bangsamoro catch up with the rest of the country as it has been lagging behind as far as human development is concerned.
• The Chief Minister of the Bangsamoro Region is the head of the Bangsamoro Police Board (BPB), but it is subordinate to the National Police Commission. It should be clearly worded that the Bangsamoro military command will be supervised by the Armed Forces chief of staff.
• Other noteworthy counsels included the provision of reserved seats in the Bangsamoro Parliament for non-Moro indigenous people, women and youth. The recognition of the peace efforts of the past and peace education for the future were also recommended.
It is prudent to take a stand only after knowing all the facts. Let us resolve never to open our mouths or rant in social media without doing our homework. We could be spreading wrong information and outright lies. We could even be exposing our own fears and prejudices.
The way it stands, if we are truly for peace, we must support the best chance for peace. – Rappler.com
Another good read…we really must stop corruption and plunder, then increase our defense spending…
http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/92616-philippines-defense-budget
How are corruption and plunder stopped? Has anyone stopped to think that only browned-skin punk’d nose indigenous traditional looking Filipinos get caught plundering? Are the tisoys, tisays, tsinitos and tsinitas impervious to corruption? Or, someone is turning a blind eye on them?
If tisoys, tisays, tsinitos and tsinitas are incorruptible, WHY NOT MAKE THEM OUR POLITICIANS?
Let us start from there.
More than P600 million in cash was deposited in the bank accounts of alleged dummies of Vice President Jejomar Binay in various transactions in a single day, according to the Anti-Money Laundering Council (AMLC) report to the Court of Appeals (CA).
Jejomar Binay is getting his lessons from Vladimir Putin :
thank you, micha for this. tama ka, it seems Binay is taking lessons form Putin, his family business is all over Makati and now spreading even to Batangas. Why is he the permanent president of the Boy Scout of the Philippines?… and I see him particiapating in boodle fests together with enlisted men of our military. Putin is very open in admitting he is a fomer member of the feared much KGB. hmmmm.
much feared, I mean
Kleptocracy 101 : Protect What You Have Stolen By Becoming President
Trillanes said there are other “intervening” events, aside from the AMLC report, that would make the Vice President withdraw from the race.
“The filing of his case by the Ombudsman in the Sandiganbayan and the eventual suspension of Mayor Jun-Jun Binay. Besides, kilala nang umaatras yan sa mga matitinding laban,” said the senator.
Binay Plunder Blunder is about Binay.
Aquino doused Binay’s presidential ambition.
Binay said he is on the running.
Trillanes attacked.
Witness only.
No evidence.
This is not America.
This is the Philippines.
Evidence is not a necessity
Witness is a necessity
Affidavit is evidence.
This is not America.
This is the Philippines.
All this Binay Plunder is about Greed
Binay stole a lot. They do not want him to steal a lot more.
It is THEIR TURN TO STEAL.
Please Binay. Please.
Give other crooks the chance to steal.
This is not America.
This is the Philippines.
University of the Philippines graduate prefer running for elected office
Why? I ask!
They answered: “Because this is where the money is”
This is not America.
This is the Philippines.
The Philippine Irresponsible Media or PIM for short are inhumane bunch of people to think they are graduates from University of the Philippines !!!!
It is 10:24A.M. Pacific Time. I checked PIM Inquirer. Lo and behold! I got a shock of my life AS IF I WAS NOT SHOCKED AT ALL OF THEIR HEADLINES !!!! Inquirer’s TOP STORY is ……. (drum roll please) ….. boom! boom! Ta rat! Ta rat! …. TOP STORY IS: “EL GAMMA PENUBRA IS “ASIA’S” GOT TALENT GRAND WINNER” Woooooo Hooooo !!!!!! “TOP STORY” HIGHLIGHTED IN RED with a HUGE SYMBOL OF A STAR !!! Wooo Hooo !!!!
Why I bothered about this? Not because I was following El Gamma Penubra. Not because I am huge on TALE GRAND WINNER !!! ….
IT IS BECAUSE “Death Toll in Factory Fire Went Up to 72”. 72 deaths is nada !!! Zilch!!!! GOT TALENT IS MORE IMPORTANT than 72 DEATHS!!!!!
VIVA LA RAZA FILIPINO !!!!!
The U.P.-run Philippine Media is manhid or numb? WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON, PEOPLE????
You people accused me of denigrating the Filipinos. EXACTLY WHO ARE DENIGRATING THE FILIPINOS? It is not me. I am just following the Chief-Denigrators: THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA !!!!
You’re right Mariano; more fun in Pinas for singing contest, tisay beauty pageants and paraisos ☺
So, don’t read the Philippine Media! Just read the US Media so your anger management issues will be a thing of the past. Be kind to yourself!
And for the record, I am very proud of El Gamma Penubra as I am a Filipino and my family originally came from Tanauan City, Batangas. That’s a positive news for a change.
I’m sorry for, shocked and angered by the tragic death of the 72 (possibly more) victims. Investigations and punishments should immediately follow this incident not to mention damages that has to be paid to families of these victims resulting from negligence on the part of the factory owner and the city government of Valenzuela.
I’m affected by Philippine tragedies, but that does not mean I can’t be happy about positive news like our countrymen gaining recognition abroad, imagine 4 finalists came from our dear Philippines, on became a grand winner, and another a second runner up. I am happy that we are not just servant material in other countries.
Being perpetually angry is bad for our health!
er, “one became” instead of “on became”
Just continue whatever you are doing MRP, I no longer care..Call it tough love,reverse psychology or even the truth.Do I have to apologize. i reacted (six years delayed)and you reacted back.So sorry, hinahanap naman kita pag matagal ka hindi nagcomment So do what you do.
And why should you care ? It’s a FREE (??) country, is it NOT ????
@ Karl, just let it go. You know a lot better. Chedeng is right.
I care because I’m one of the Filipinos he regularly insults, denigrate, demean….
…to say ALL FILIPINOS are angry at plunderers because we want to have our turn to steal, to plunder is insulting.
And that is just one instance, there are many more not only in Joe’s blog, here he sticks to his MRP handle, but in Inquirer and other social media too.
You can recognize him even if uses too many names and accounts, his style of insults to all Filipinos, UP, the media, goot English, is unmistakeable …he is MRP.
Yes, this is a free country, that very freedom he regularly abuses. How many more blogs will he spread his insults, how long must we endure him?
We try to engage in a civil exchange of ideas and what does he do? Others might find him funny, but I don’t… sorry.
I don’t find him funny, at all; I follow him because he sees situations without BLINKERS. Not many PINOYS can do that, ya kno-ow. To me our poor country is FULL of PRETENSE and
HOT AIRS; no wonder it is called the POOR man of Asia. Whatever happened to the pearl of the orient seas ??? We have to admit Mariano is full of remorse and sarcasm and all the administrator has to DO is block him; cyberspace is FREE for ALL, whether it is this blog or any other blog. We have to face it, our island in the sun has been SMELLING for so long and Mariano is letting the air out. Sorry to disagree with you Mary but that is the REALITY.
We have become the laughing stock of Asia !!!! How can anyone even think of POEt as
president ? It might as well be the BSP honcho from Makiling . . .I think sense and
sensibilities have vanished from our mores for a long, long time. Why is the nation so caught
up with FPJ?
We also see situations without BLINKERS and expose, express them, but we are not INSULTING our fellow Filipinos in dong so. Please read my posts re Binay, Poe, the plunderers, the wayward parking in public streets provincial culture… we can criticize without being insulting. Civility is far different from being full of PRETENSE and HOT AIRS. If I may say so, MRP is exactly full of that, don’t you notice?
in fairness to Poe, she is the lesser evil as compared to the BSP honcho from Makiling….you mean Binay, don’t you? I’m for Roxas and would campaign for him.
Mercedes santos,
Most mental patients can see situations ‘without blinkers’ and go ahead and say what they want to say. And we don’t argue with them, just like I don’t argue with Manoy, simply because they are mental patient.
Since you follow Manoy and obviously agree with what he sees ‘without blinkers’ am I right to conclude that you also believe and submit to what he said about himself and his philosophy summarized in the statement below.
“I went to the former colonizer, USA, to surrender and apply for re-colonization so they can run my life like heaven than by Filipinos like Philippines.
If Filipinos wanted to be respected, FILIPINOS HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY AND ONLY MY WAY, THE AMERICAN WAY.” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
mercedes santos, can you honestly say that you became a follower of Manoy because of those principles? Was that the one you meant when you said he sees situations ‘without blinkers’?
Like you, I also don’t find Manoy funny. But, unlike you, I don’t follow and admire him and salivate with how low he thinks and interpret situations and events. His one-man show of diatribes, insults and offending statements was meant simply to spew hatred and contempt. His one-man conversation with himself style of posting has dominated this blog never seen since PinoyInEurope a.k.a. Ireneo B.R. Salazar decided to voluntarily silence himself by making his own blog and there confine his discussion with himself.
I don’t mind people looking at situations ‘without blinkers’. When people are honest and factual in their approach, usually an honest and engaging discussion bereft of hypocrisy and pretense happens. But to see ‘without blinkers’ and then endlessly talk to yourself afterwards instead of engaging in formal and mature conversation with others is another matter.
A matter that is an ordinary situation in mental institutions. 👽
Follow as in READ, not follow the leader, QUITE a big difference, old boy. I don’t understand what you are being so TESTY about ???, Now there’s goes my reputation.
Fans ‘follow’ their idols that’s why they’re called followers. Not necessarily being led by leaders. You are, based on what you say, a follower of Manoy. And nothing’s wrong with that because everyone is entitled to follow, believe or lean on something. Political groups, faith and spiritual organizations are a dime a dozen. Satanic followers and anti-Chist groups abound everywhere. Celebrities and sports personalities dominate our existence. So you see, you are normal just like everybody else.
And so wrong.
Me, testy? I could be if you interpret the letters that I write because they are directed at you. But I’m not testy like Manoy’s where everybody is at fault, including you, and there is onl oney perfect: himself. 🙂
In reality, really, I’m as close to Dolphy than to FPJ. I treat everything with humor and write it (like painting it) with opposite colors.
Yes, your reputation and you can start by defending or explaining Manoy’s statement that I quoted before you talk about your precious reputation. 👀
I care because I care for the Society of Honor. I also agree with what Mary said. I have an inkling that too much clutter and thrash emanating from Renato Pacifico’s voluminous postings will eventually destroy Joe’s blog.
Is the society a haven for the ELITES then ???
Nothing can destroy JOE, he is the American, remember ?
Nothing can destroy JOE, he is the American, remember ? – mercedes santos
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It’s not really about Joe it’s about the blog. Let’s maintain the purity and sanity of the discussion. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.
Lastly, mercedes, don’t put your reputation on the line by speaking for someone whose mental condition is suspect. 👌
That sounds like a threat, James old boy ???
I don’t consider myself ELITE…I confess to be mediocre as I came from the poorest of the poor, gone to a mediocre school and failed to take a leap in my chosen career path due to illness in the family…my being in the lower middle class was a product of sheer persistence, focus and determination…. most of my relatives still belong to the poorest of the poor.
No, definitely, I don’t belong to the ELITE group, you can read and see my simple english…and I don’t hide where I came from…
I only request that MRP moderate his posts a less insulting manner now that he belongs to the first world and we are still in his hated third world.
Renato Pacifico is way far, far, more more elite than me. And this has nothing to do with elitism, or condescension if you will, nothing at all. Just a simple concern for moderation.
This is a free country alright, and I’m all for the freedom of expression. But, what’s the use of this freedom if you no longer have the venue to express it?
Is the society a haven for the ELITES then ??? – mercedes santos
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If you meant ‘elites’ as not crazy, yes, it is haven for the elites. ☝
Wow!! you must have a monopoly on NOT crazy ☺
Sometimes you have to hit a nail again and again, by doing so the chances increase to damage the wall when you miss-fire.
MRP is hitting the same nail sometimes too often and damaging the blog so now and then by doing so.
But what is worse, not telling that the emperor is naked or telling in a rude way and insulting him by doing so? It all depends on the situation, MRP so now and then (sometimes too often) reads the situation wrongly I believe.
The serenity prayer comes to my mind too: “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
@MRP if some of your nail are not moving at all, maybe you need some serenity to accept? Wisdom you have plenty I guess.
AMLC: Binays’ own firm supplied birthday cakes in Makati
Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/691481/amlc-binays-own-firm-supplied-birthday-cakes-in-makati#ixzz3aA1YFgB7
This is old news. What I found significant is this:
Erlinda Chong (dummy?) was made a lessee of the more than (8,000?) sqm property that should have been for the enlisted personnel in CEMEMBO (like Pembo, Cembo, Rembo) all in Fort Bonifacio (Mckinley Hill). Through incredible machinations, she was able to purchase the property at the government assessed value price (and we know that that value is way way below the actual market value price) and sold a portion of it and made hundreds of millions in profit.
The rest of the property is now a business establishment one of which house this bakery which supplied the cakes given as gifts to senior citizens of Makati. The city buys the “overpriced” cakes from the Binay children controlled bakery at enormous profit, the credit goes to Binays (the senior citizens are so in love with the Binays) but actually the budget comes from the realty taxes, business permits and licenses of generated annually.
The Binays as it is now being discovered owned almost all of the firms that cornered various services in Makati City Hall (security, food, etc, etc.)
It is no wonder that they don’t want to let go of Makati – from just being OIC, the now VP was a 3 termer mayor, followed by his wife, then his son, in between, I’m not sure if he was again mayor after the 3-term maximum rule has been gone around with. Rumors of condo units given by developers in exchange for fast tracking the building and construction permits abound, exposed too by the former VM Mercado. And I simply don’t believe that Abigail Binay really won that raffle that has a condominium unit as its grand prize.
“SENIOR TREAT Birthday cakes, like buildings, are overpriced in Makati City. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO
Contrary to their earlier public denials, Sen. Nancy Binay, Rep. Abigail Binay and their brother, Mayor Jejomar Erwin “Junjun” Binay Jr., appeared as directors of a company engaged in the food business that supplied birthday cakes to senior citizens in Makati City.
According to the Anti-Money Laundering Council (AMLC) report to the Court of Appeals in its petition to freeze the assets of Vice President Jejomar Binay, his family and suspected dummies, Millennium Food Chains Corp. was founded by the Binay children in 1997, along with Erlinda and Kim Chong, Lilia Chavez and Angelico Salud.”
Cemembo – embo is short for “enlisted member’s barrio”
A highly urbanized city, that’s Makati. Now, why was (still is?, have to find that out) their payroll still being distributed in cash, manually and not through ATM? even far flung towns already make use of ATMs to distribute salaries. Why are they backward in this system – for cash tong pats from thousands of ghost employees, maybe?… Mercado was saying he regularly delivered substantial cash every payday to the VP’s wife…
I talked to one of Bank’s executive. They said, they do not issue ATM cards to government employees because it is a losing proposition. Once pay hits their account, they withdraw all of it like what Binay in his personal account. They do not leave a balance.
So the Bank executive told Makati they will hand-deliver the money instead. The bank saves on ATM card, maintenance of the account, no queu at ATM machines. The Bank executive further say, everypayday, loan sharks, wives, queridas are already lining up early in teh morning before the queridas get their share so are the loan sharks.
So why is the city government of Makati letting the banks dictate what is the proper way to do, which is to safeguard against anomalies related to manual payments of salaries. I will tell you why – because it in their plundering ways to agree. So there are numerous banks in Makati, you talked to one bank executive, have you talked to them all?
If the Landbank of the Philippines (the government depository bank) is not amenable, its a very simple thing to do tho transfer funds for payroll to other willing banks. Pag gusto may paraan, pag ayaw may dahilan…. excuses, excuses…
You are so angry that Binay is being unmasked now, wait ka lang, the 3 alleged plunderers are now detained waiting for their day in court, one local executive is too, others will follow, we have not that many prosecutors; the COA is being technologically upgraded, but the SC and others with vested interest are howling in protest, so that DAP allocation is being questioned.
Please! Please! Please! It is not the Binays that did not want to let go of Makati. IT IS THE PEOPLE DID NOT WANT TO LET GO OF THE BINAYS. The Makatinians elected the Binays over and over and over again.
You are so correct there, the masa voters are so blinded by cakes, and other giveaways they can’t see that they are being fooled.
It takes two to tango, as the saying goes. If the Binays did not file their candidacy one family member after the other and go on to buy votes, voters will vote for others.
They are the tempters and the poor people who don’t eat cakes and Jollibee foods that often are tempted; add to that mix those lawyers and supporters na walang kabusugan, those who benefit from the Binay plundering ways who are the enablers, who will do anything to help them to control that city for decades.
They don’t want to let go of Makati because it made them billionaires, so they will field every adult Binay as candidate after each 3-term-limit.
Since education should get the highest budget.We have problems with defense spending and other spending, then one solution is to increase education spending and the rest will follow. Our wps problem will not be solved by a military solution but by an all out interagency solution. Bases are neing built and all we can do is cry foul.
Education spending is only 2.8 % of gdp,so if we make education 5 % of gdp we can make military spending 3.5% or more and infrastructure almost 5 %. We must spend money to make money, we lessen our debts,but we don’t spend, wala rin.
One more thing,we create laws for self sustaining agencies like PPA only to amend that law that every agency must percentage to the treasury, so no such thing as self sustaining.
The AMLC said the Vice President did not declare any business interests.
I find the transactions leading to charges and freezing of the account on the level.
Huge amount of deposits and extremely huge amount of withdrawals within minutes without declared business interests.
What AMLC is not telling the truth because they must be graduates from University of the Philippines they did not track the source of the humongous deposits. Of course, nothing like armored-car full of various denominations, used bills and sequential serial number. The deposits got to be in the form of the check.
AMLC did not tell the public, because they did not verify who issued the check. IT IS NOT WHO ISSUED THE CHECK, IT IS ABOUT JEJOMAR BINAY.
The question is, WHO ISSUED THE CHECK? Where it came from?
Why AMLC did not pursue this avenue? Why only checked the transaction of Jejomar Binay?
THIS IS NOT TOTALLY RIGHT!
How did Jejomar Binay withdraw the deposits? He drove up with an armored vehicle with a wheelborrow to cart the money away? Did Jejomar issue a check? What kind of check? Cashier’s check? Manager’s check? Personal Check? It cannot be company check because this is a personal account. If it was thru anyform of a check, to whom it was deposited to? Who was it payable to? WHY DID THEY STOP THERE? HUH? INQUIRER? U.P. PHILIPPINE EMDIA? AKO LANG BA ANG MARUNONG MAG-ISIP DITO SA FAILED PHILIPPINES?
WHY DID THEY STOP AT JEJOMAR BINAY ACCOUNT? I WANTED TO KNOW SO FILIPINOS CAN KNOW, WHO, SORRY FOR REPEATING MYSELF I HAVE TO RUB IT IN, IT CAME FROM? Who did Jejomar issued the check to? Who it was deposited to?
AW, C’MON PEOPLE! YOU HAVE CHECKING ACCOUNTS RIGHT? I HAVE SEVERAL CHECKING ACCOUNTS. I KNOW HOW THIS WORKS! I have a dollar account. A peso account. Another account that automatically pays off my credit cards. Another account that pays off my mortgage. And a SECRET ACCOUNT that my wife does not know about. Everytime I deposit a check, I see a photocopy in my on-line bank account who deposited it, where it was deposited and for whom.
I know the works. Why canniot they think?
I THINK, THEREFORE, I AM NOT PINOY.
Mariano, you are here assuming that Binay is not a sophisticated crook. That he does not know how to cover his tracks.
WHY DID THEY STOP THERE? HUH? INQUIRER? U.P. PHILIPPINE EMDIA? AKO LANG BA ANG MARUNONG MAG-ISIP DITO SA FAILED PHILIPPINES?
There you go again….awwwrrrrrr….
Why are you so sure that AMLC did not do what you are saying now? Are you inside their offices? Are you one of them, or if not, do you have a crystal ball like the evil witch, are you seeing their every moves? It could be that could not publish them for fear of that Binay lawyer Certeza.
Anyways, the fact that most of his alleged dummies’ account are frozen as well already speak volumes, they are parties to those deposits, to making those accounts as mere conduits for use to transfer to offshore banks. Dig?
AMLC is hitmen of anti-BinayS. Their investigation stops at the account of Binay. The news is only about Binay. No news about where it came from, to whom it was deposited to after withdrawl.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT BINAY. LIKE THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA MADE ME VOTE BINAY. I WOULDN’T HAVE VOTE BINAY IF THE PHILIPPINE MEDIA DID NOT GIVE EXTREME EXPOSURE OF BINAY’S CAMPAIGN.
EVERYONE IN THE PHILIPPINES IN CAHOOTS OF EVERYONE. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHO THESE FILIPINOS ARE WORKING FOR. THEY ARE ALL CROOKS.
HERE ARE why they are all crooks. The Filipino people conveniently look the other way where the deposits coming from and to whom it was deposited to after Binay made the withdrawal.
All of the news is about Jejomar Binay. THEY CANNOT FOOL ME. I THINK. THINKERS DO NOT GET FOOLED.
You are frothing in the mouth, you are so angry that Binay is being investigated by the AMLC, that the SC is now revisiting the Aguinaldo Doctrine, all because Binay is being unmasked. I wonder why? Are you that obsessed with Binay?
That revisiting of the said doctrine is being done precisely because it is being observed that other elected officials LIKE Binay are using that to escape the anti graft law, they will plunder and use portions of that looted money to buy votes so they can be elected again. That re-visitation of the said doctrine applies to ALL not just to Binay, so stop that nonsense.
Affidavits are done as safeguards against lying (affiants can always be brought to court for perjury) against evil plans of affected parties (suppose they kill them, what happens?). Those affidavits are further supported by other evidences, you are not paying attention, just ranting and ranting.
AND YOU ARE ENDLESSLY GENERALIZING YOUR RANTS AGAINST ALL FILIPINOS. KINDLY STOP THAT.
Of the hundreds of bills filed for the sixteenth congres, has any of these priority bills reached the third reading?
For the Financial Cluster priority measures.
16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 1187
TAX INCENTIVES TRANSPARENCY ACT
Filed on July 30, 2013 by Recto, Ralph G.
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Entitled:
AN ACT ESTABLISHING A SYSTEM FOR A TAX INCENTIVES TRANSPARENCY, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2013 ]
7/30/2013 Introduced by Senator RALPH G. RECTO;
8/28/2013 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee on FINANCE;
12/18/2013 Manifestation of Senator Cayetano (A.) upon suggestion of Senator Escudero and with the conformity of Senator Angara, SBN-1187 transferred from the Committee on Finance to the Committee on WAYS AND MEANS;
[ SECOND REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2015 ]
2/25/2015 Returned and submitted by the Committee on WAYS AND MEANS per Committee Report No. 104, recommending that it be substituted by SBN-2669;
3/2/2015 Committee Report Calendared for Ordinary Business;
3/2/2015 SUBSTITUTED BY SBN-2669 UNDER C.R. NO. 104.
(Prepared by the Indexing, Monitoring and LIS Section, Legislative Bills and Index Service)
2/2/2015 Conducted JOINT COMMITTEE MEETINGS/HEARINGS;
2/12/2014 Conducted JOINT COMMITTEE MEETINGS/HEARINGS;
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Senate Bill No. 2517
FOREIGN INVESTMENT LIBERALIZATION ACT OF 2014
Filed on December 16, 2014 by Ejercito, Joseph Victor G.
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Entitled:
AN ACT REMOVING/AMENDING INVESTMENT RESTRICTION IN SPECIFIC LAWS GOVERNING ADJUSTMENT COMPANIES, LENDING COMPANIES, AND FINANCING COMPANIES CITED IN THE FOREIGN INVESTMENT NEGATIVE LIST, EXCEPT THOSE IN THE CONSTITUTION
[ SECOND REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
12/16/2014 Introduced by Senator JOSEPH VICTOR G. EJERCITO;
12/17/2014 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee on ECONOMIC AFFAIRS;
(Prepared by the Indexing, Monitoring and LIS Section, Legislative Bills and Index Service)
3/10/2015 Conducted TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP;
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 459
BUILD-OPERATE-TRANSFER (BOT)
Filed on July 4, 2013 by Recto, Ralph G.
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Entitled:
AN ACT ENCOURAGING MORE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP (PPP) PROJECTS, CREATING THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE (PPP) GUARANTY FUND, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, THEREBY AMENDING REPUBLIC ACT NO. 6957, AS AMENDED BY REPUBLIC ACT NO. 7718, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE BUILD-OPERATE-TRANSFER (BOT) LAW
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2013 ]
7/4/2013 Introduced by Senator RALPH G. RECTO;
8/5/2013 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee(s) on PUBLIC WORKS; LOCAL GOVERNMENT; WAYS AND MEANS and FINANCE;
(Prepared by the Indexing, Monitoring and LIS Section, Legislative Bills and Index Service)
3/3/2015 Conducted JOINT COMMITTEE MEETINGS/HEARINGS;
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 168
CUSTOMS AND TARIFF MODERNIZATION ACT OF 2013
Filed on July 1, 2013 by Osmena III, Sergio R.
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Entitled:
AN ACT TO PRESCRIBE THE ‘CUSTOMS AND TARIFF MODERNIZATION ACT OF 2013’ AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2013 ]
7/1/2013 Introduced by Senator SERGIO R. OSMENA III;
7/29/2013 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee on WAYS AND MEANS;
(Prepared by the Indexing, Monitoring and LIS Section, Legislative Bills and Index Service)
4/14/2015 Conducted TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP;
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 2145
ACQUISITION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY
Filed on February 26, 2014 by Marcos, Ferdinand “Bongbong” R.
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Entitled:
AN ACT STRENGTHENING THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, REPEALING FOR THIS PURPOSE REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8974, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS AN ACT TO FACILITATE THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, SITE, OR LOCATION FOR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, APPROPRIATING FUNDS THEREFOR, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
2/26/2014 Introduced by Senator FERDINAND “BONGBONG” R. MARCOS;
3/3/2014 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee(s) on JUSTICE AND HUMAN RIGHTS; PUBLIC WORKS; WAYS AND MEANS; and FINANCE;
5/19/2014 The Committee on PUBLIC WORKS was made as the primary Committee and the Committee on JUSTICE AND HUMAN RIGHTS as secondary Committee;
(Prepared by the Indexing, Monitoring and LIS Section, Legislative Bills and Index Service)
4/22/2015 Conducted TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP;
3/10/2015 Conducted JOINT COMMITTEE MEETINGS/HEARINGS;
4/29/2015 Conducted TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP;
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16th Congress
Senate Resolution No. 625
CABOTAGE LAW
Filed on May 5, 2014 by Poe, Grace L.
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Entitled:
RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE SENATE COMMITTEES ON TRADE, COMMERCE AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND ON ECONOMIC AFFAIRS TO CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW, IN AID OF LEGISLATION, ON THE CABOTAGE LAW AS EMBODIED IN CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF REPUBLIC ACT NO. 1937 OR THE TARIFF AND CUSTOMS CODE OF THE PHILIPPINES AND REPUBLIC ACT NO. 9295 OR THE DOMESTIC SHIPPING DEVELOPMENT ACT, WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF HAVING A MORE ROBUST AND SAFER SHIPPING INDUSTRY AND CHEAPER TRANSPORTATION COSTS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
5/5/2014 Introduced by Senator GRACE L. POE;
5/7/2014 Submitted to the Senate and Referred to the Committee(s) on TRADE, COMMERCE AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP; and PUBLIC SERVICES;
[ SECOND REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
12/3/2014 Returned and submitted jointly by the Committee(s) on TRADE, COMMERCE AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP, PUBLIC SERVICES and WAYS AND MEANS per Committee Report No. 91, recommending that it be considered in SBN-2486;
12/9/2014 Committee Report Calendared for Ordinary Business;
12/9/2014 CONSIDERED IN SBN-2486 UNDER C.R. NO. 91.
(Prepared by the Indexing, Monitoring and LIS Section, Legislative Bills and Index Service)
10/16/2014 Conducted TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP;
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 618
CHARTER OF THE BANGKO SENTRAL NG PILIPINAS
Filed on July 8, 2013 by Recto, Ralph G.
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Entitled:
AN ACT PROVIDING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE REVISION OF THE CHARTER OF THE BANGKO SENTRAL NG PILIPINAS (BSP) BY AMENDING REPUBLIC ACT NO. 7653, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS ‘THE NEW CENTRAL BANK ACT
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2013 ]
7/8/2013 Introduced by Senator RALPH G. RECTO;
8/6/2013 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee(s) on BANKS, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND CURRENCIES and WAYS AND MEANS;
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 2106
CASINO AML/CFT ACT OF 2014
Filed on February 5, 2014 by Guingona III, Teofisto “Tg”
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Entitled:
AN ACT DESIGNATING CASINO OPERATORS AS COVERED PERSONS UNDER REPUBLIC ACT NO. 9160 (ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING ACT OF 2001), AS AMENDED, FOR THE PURPOSE OF STRENGTHENING THE ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING/COMBATING THE FINANCING OF TERRORISM REGIME OF THE PHILIPPINES, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
2/5/2014 Introduced by Senator TEOFISTO “TG” GUINGONA III;
2/10/2014 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee(s) on BANKS, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND CURRENCIES; and JUSTICE AND HUMAN RIGHTS;
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 2362
PHILIPPINE MINERAL RESOURCE REVENUE SHARING ACT OF 2014
Filed on August 18, 2014 by Recto, Ralph G.
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Entitled:
AN ACT ESTABLISHING THE FISCAL REGIME AND REVENUE SHARING ARRANGEMENT FOR LARGE-SCALE METALLIC MINING, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ SECOND REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
8/18/2014 Introduced by Senator RALPH G. RECTO;
8/19/2014 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee(s) on WAYS AND MEANS; and ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES;
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Trade legislation
16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 2699
CONSUMER ACT OF THE PHILIPPINES AS AMENDED
Filed on March 16, 2015 by Aquino IV, Paolo Benigno “Bam”
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Entitled:
AN ACT GRANTING BROADER PROTECTION FOR CONSUMERS ADDING NEW PROVISIONS AND AMENDING CERTAIN PROVISIONS FOR THE PURPOSE REPUBLIC ACT NO. 7394, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE CONSUMER ACT OF THE PHILIPPINES
[ SECOND REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2015 ]
3/16/2015 Introduced by Senator PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV;
3/17/2015 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee(s) on TRADE, COMMERCE AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP; and FINANCE;
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For Trade
16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 2211
PHILIPPINE LEMON LAW OF 2014
Filed on May 6, 2014 by Villar, Cynthia A., Ejercito-Estrada, Jinggoy P., Aquino IV, Paolo Benigno “Bam”, Pimentel, Aquilino Koko III L.
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Entitled:
AN ACT STRENGTHENING CONSUMER PROTECTION IN THE PURCHASE OF BRAND NEW MOTOR VEHICLES AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
5/6/2014 Prepared and submitted by the Committee on TRADE, COMMERCE AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP with Senator(s) CYNTHIA A. VILLAR, JINGGOY P. EJERCITO-ESTRADA and PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV as author(s) per Committee Report No. 25, recommending its approval in substitution of SBNos. 306 and 1068;
5/7/2014 Committee Report Calendared for Ordinary Business;
5/7/2014 Sponsor: Senator PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV;
5/7/2014 Transferred from the Calendar for Ordinary Business to the Calendar for Special Order;
5/7/2014 Sponsorship speech of Senator PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV;
5/27/2014 Interpellation of Senator(s) ALAN PETER COMPANERO S. CAYETANO, SERGIO R. OSMENA III and VICENTE C. SOTTO III;
5/27/2014 Period of interpellation closed;
6/3/2014 Period of committee amendments closed;
6/3/2014 Period of individual amendments;
6/3/2014 Period of individual amendments closed;
6/3/2014 Approved on Second Reading with Amendments;
6/4/2014 Printed copies were distributed to the Senators;
6/4/2014 Senator AQUILINO KOKO III L. PIMENTEL was made a coauthor;
6/9/2014 Approved on Third Reading;
6/9/2014 In favor: (18) JUAN EDGARDO “SONNY” M. ANGARA, PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV, MARIA LOURDES NANCY S. BINAY, ALAN PETER COMPANERO S. CAYETANO, FRANKLIN M. DRILON, JOSEPH VICTOR G. EJERCITO, JINGGOY P. EJERCITO-ESTRADA, JUAN PONCE ENRILE, FRANCIS “CHIZ” G. ESCUDERO, GREGORIO B. HONASAN II, MANUEL “LITO” M. LAPID, SERGIO R. OSMENA III, GRACE L. POE, RALPH G. RECTO, RAMON A. REVILLA JR., VICENTE C. SOTTO III, ANTONIO “SONNY” F. TRILLANES and CYNTHIA A. VILLAR;
6/9/2014 Against: N o n e;
6/9/2014 Abstention: N o n e;
6/9/2014 Senate requested the House of Representatives for a conference on the disagreeing provisions of SBN-2211 and HBN-4082, designating Senators Paolo Benigno “Bam” Aquino IV, Sonny M. Angara and Joseph Victor G. Ejercito as its conferees to the Bicameral Conference Committee;
6/10/2014 Sent to the House of Representatives requesting for concurrence;
6/10/2014 House of Representatives requested the Senate for a conference on the disagreeing provisions of SBN-2211 and HBN-4082, and designated Representatives Mark A. Villar, Anthony G. Del Rosario, Arthur C. Yap, Maria Carmen S. Zamora, Rufus B. Rodriguez and Arnel U. Ty as its conferees to the Bicameral Conference Committee on June 9, 2013;
6/10/2014 Conference Committee Report Approved by the House of Representatives; (O.B. dated August 4, 2014)
6/11/2014 Conference Committee Report submitted to the Senate, recommending that SBN-2211, in consolidation with HBN-4082, be approved as reconciled;
6/11/2014 Sponsorship speech on the Conference Committee Report of Senator PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV;
6/11/2014 Conference Committee Report Approved by the Senate;
6/16/2014 Communication informing the House of Representatives that the Senate approved the Conference Committee Report on the disagreeing provisions of SBN-2211 and HBN-4082 on June 11, 2014;
6/23/2014 Enrolled copies of the consolidated version of SBN-2211 and HBN-4082, sent to the House of Representatives for the signature of the Speaker and the Secretary General of the House of Representatives;
6/25/2014 Enrolled copies of the consolidated version of SBN-2211 and HBN-4082, received by the Senate which were already signed by the Speaker and the Secretary General of the House of Representatives;
6/26/2014 Enrolled copies of the consolidated version of SBN-2211 and HBN-4082, sent to the Office of the President of the Philippines, through PLLO, for the signature and approval of His Excellency, President Benigno S. Aquino III;
FINAL TITLE: AN ACT STRENGTHENING CONSUMER PROTECTION IN THE PURCHASE OF BRAND NEW MOTOR VEHICLES
7/22/2014 Approved and signed into law, in consolidation with HBN-4082, by the President of the Philippines, His Excellency President Benigno S. Aquino III on July 15, 2014, and became; (See: O.B. dated August 6, 2014)
7/22/2014 REPUBLIC ACT NO. 10642.
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16th Congress
Senate Bill No. 458
ENHANCED CONSUMER ACT OF 2013
Filed on July 4, 2013 by Recto, Ralph G.
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Entitled:
AN ACT GRANTING BROADER PROTECTION TO CONSUMERS AMENDING FOR THE PURPOSE REPUBLIC ACT NO. 7394, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE CONSUMER ACT OF THE PHILIPPINES
[ FIRST REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2013 ]
7/4/2013 Introduced by Senator RALPH G. RECTO;
8/5/2013 Read on First Reading and Referred to the Committee on TRADE AND COMMERCE;
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Senate Bill No. 2282
FAIR COMPETITION ACT OF 2014
Filed on June 16, 2014 by Osmena III, Sergio R., Guingona III, Teofisto “Tg”, Defensor Santiago, Miriam, Ejercito-Estrada, Jinggoy P., Trillanes, Antonio “Sonny” F., Aquino IV, Paolo Benigno “Bam”
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Entitled:
AN ACT PROMOTING FAIR COMPETITION TO PROTECT CONSUMER WELFARE, ADVANCE DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL TRADE AND SUSTAINED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BY, AMONG OTHERS, REGULATING MONOPOLIES, ANTI-COMPETITIVE AGREEMENTS, ABUSE OF DOMINANT POSITION, AND ANTI-COMPETITIVE MERGERS, ESTABLISHING THE FAIR COMPETITION COMMISSION AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS THEREFOR, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES
[ SECOND REGULAR SESSION, 16TH CONGRESS ]
[ 2014 ]
6/16/2014 Prepared and submitted jointly by the Committee(s) on TRADE, COMMERCE AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP, ECONOMIC AFFAIRS, FINANCE and JUSTICE AND HUMAN RIGHTS with Senator(s) SERGIO R. OSMENA III, TEOFISTO “TG” GUINGONA III, MIRIAM DEFENSOR SANTIAGO, JINGGOY P. EJERCITO-ESTRADA, ANTONIO “SONNY” F. TRILLANES and PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV as author(s) per Committee Report No. 56, recommending its approval in substitution of SBNos. 41, 473, 492, 1027, 1210, 1293 and 1453;
7/30/2014 Committee Report Calendared for Ordinary Business;
7/30/2014 Sponsor: Senator PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV;
7/30/2014 Transferred from the Calendar for Ordinary Business to the Calendar for Special Order;
7/30/2014 Sponsorship speech of Senator PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV;
8/20/2014 Interpellation of Senator JUAN EDGARDO “SONNY” M. ANGARA;
8/26/2014 Interpellation of Senator TEOFISTO “TG” GUINGONA III;
9/1/2014 Interpellation of Senator JUAN EDGARDO “SONNY” M. ANGARA;
9/1/2014 Inquiry of the Chair;
9/2/2014 Interpellation of Senator(s) JOSEPH VICTOR G. EJERCITO and GRACE L. POE;
9/8/2014 Manifestation of Senator Aquino III on the interpellation of Senator Angara last August 20, 2014 re favorable decision of the FCC;
9/8/2014 Period of interpellation closed;
9/15/2014 Period of committee amendments;
9/15/2014 Period of committee amendments closed;
9/17/2014 Printed copies with approved committee amendments as of September 15, 2014, distributed to the Senators;
9/17/2014 Period of individual amendments;
9/18/2014 Printed copies with approved amendments as of September 17, 2014, distributed to the Senators;
9/22/2014 Period of individual amendments;
9/23/2014 Printed copies with approved individual amendments as of September 22, 2014, distributed to the Senators;
9/23/2014 Period of individual amendments;
9/24/2014 Printed copies with approved individual amendments as of September 23, 2014, distributed to the Senators;
10/21/2014 Period of individual amendments;
10/22/2014 Printed copies with approved individual amendments as of October 21, 2014, distributed to the Senators;
11/26/2014 Period of individual amendments;
11/26/2014 Printed copies were distributed to the Senators;
12/3/2014 Period of individual amendments closed;
12/3/2014 Approved on Second Reading with Amendments;
12/4/2014 Printed copies were distributed to the Senators;
12/9/2014 Reconsideration of Approval on Second Reading;
12/9/2014 Period of individual amendments;
12/9/2014 Period of individual amendments closed;
12/9/2014 Approved on Second Reading with Amendments;
12/10/2014 Printed Copies were distributed to the Senators;
12/15/2014 Approved on Third Reading;
12/15/2014 In favor: (13) Senators PAOLO BENIGNO “BAM” AQUINO IV, MARIA LOURDES NANCY S. BINAY, PIA S. CAYETANO, FRANKLIN M. DRILON, JOSEPH VICTOR G. EJERCITO, FRANCIS “CHIZ” G. ESCUDERO, GREGORIO B. HONASAN II, LOREN B. LEGARDA, FERDINAND “BONGBONG” R. MARCOS, AQUILINO KOKO III L. PIMENTEL, RALPH G. RECTO, VICENTE C. SOTTO III and CYNTHIA A. VILLAR;
12/15/2014 Against: N o n e ;
12/15/2014 Abstention: N o n e ;
12/17/2014 Sent to the House of Representatives requesting for concurrence
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Ok stop na ako sa trade
So far the Lemon Law is signed in to law
And the Fair competition act is almost done.
Thanks for the list, KARL. Now we are talking !!!
Suppose we form a group of concerned citizens who will monitor and act as pressure groups so that these draft bills may see the way to 3rd reading, approval and final enactment? Those are worthwhile bills just lying there in the archives, probably waiting for some epal legislative members to resurrect and claim as their own. I might ask whose original bill is the FOI that Poe is taking credit to?
FOI was first filed by Raul Roco in 1997.
FOI nung botohan na(2010) madaming congressman ang absent, so no quorum no FOI,next time na lang,now it is on third reading in senate.
PS
Lance Corporal is a rank in the US Marines.Well, If it it more comfortable to call him Lance than X, then I guess it is fine with the Lance Corporal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_corporal
thank, karl. now I learned something new today…
“I don’t find him (MRP) funny, at all; I follow him because he sees situations without BLINKERS.” – mercedes santos
“I went to the former colonizer, USA, to surrender and apply for re-colonization so they can run my life like heaven than by Filipinos like Philippines.
If Filipinos wanted to be respected, FILIPINOS HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY AND ONLY MY WAY, THE AMERICAN WAY.” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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mercedes, I’m not the issue. The issue is how you will reconcile your view with that of Manoy’s and still be credible and objective. ✌
On whose authority, may I ask, do you JUDGE people’s credibility and objectivity?
Good question but unfortunately out of tune. Make a clear and relevant premise and you may ask the question again. Please. 🙂
You seem to pass judgement on everybody’s reputation, credibility and objectivity like you were handed a mandate from heaven, jameboy. Telling everyone they are dishonest and twisting facts just because you did not get the punchline is showing your caliber not of the one you are busily criticizing at the moment.
I do not often use “YOU” because of its accusatory nature but in this comment, I am accusing you of lack of equanimity.
I pass judgment? Really? All I know is I oppose ideas and opinions and express my disagreement in clear and simple terms. Whom did I passed judgement to? You? Manoy? Well, if calling Manoy crazy passing judgment, how do you call people who defend him because they agree with him? I say he’s crazy and they say he’s not. I said yes, they say no. Aren’t those stands one and the same: passing judgement?
Granting for the sake of discussion that I pass judgement. If I state something that is supported by evidence and you called it passing judgement, don’t you think you have the capability to contradict that with your own evidence to defeat such judgement? Just saying one is passing judgment is an onion-skinned kind of response. You don’t just whine, you answer back and defeat if possible the opposing view.
You people are forgetting that WE ALL pass judgement in reality. Every second of our lives we do it. Only hypocrites will deny that.
But that is not really the point. That is a smoke screen utilize by people who cannot uphold what they believe in for its shallowness. I’ve been judged by your kind since expressing my opposing opinion about Manoy’s offending statements. Did I even bellyache about it?
If you entertain the idea of passing judgement you shouldn’t stay on blogs like this for one second because i’ts the usual thing that happens here everyday. So usual that if one cries of “passing judgement” you’ll just be laugh at. It’s like entering a boxing ring and crying “ouch!” when given an upper cut.
Let’s all man up. We’re all grown up here. I’m not calling anyone ipis, surot, kulangot, etc. I’ve only call one guy ‘crazy’ and everyone ganged up on me about passing judgemnt. Lol!
Funny people. 👳
“If you entertain the idea of passing judgement you shouldn’t stay on blogs like this for one second because i’ts the usual thing that happens here everyday. So usual that if one cries of “passing judgement” you’ll just be laugh at.”
I challenge you to writing a coherent and thoughtful article and submit it to Joe so we can discern the quality of your mind or provide us with proof of why you know-it-all. Tell us about yourself, jameboy. You have not proven your mettle here. You have not earned the right to tell me to leave this blog, yet. I dare you, write something cogent so we will know if you are who you think you are.
I know it all? Tell about my self here? I have not proven my mettle?
Before I address the above, please, I have no right to tell anybody to leave this blog. I am nothing here for the owner, Joe, can turn off the lights on all of us anytime he desires to. When will the twisting of my statement going to stop? Please.
I hope this will be the last post on about “me” issue. 🙂
I know it all.
You are wrong. I don’t. I know it’s sarcasm but I want to stay with you. Next time you allege that, please, have proof with it so that I can dispute or admit on something concrete and clear.
Tell about myself.
For sure, I’m not Joe. I’m not the ‘resident-sage’ here. I’m not the one you are interested to see ‘write a book’. I’m not the ‘official philosopher’ of this blog. I’m not any of those “titles” which seems to titillate those who were accorded by it.
I’m jameboy, a Filipino who is honored by being granted the privilege to participate in the discussion on this space that I call ‘online barbershop’.
I have not proven my mettle.
Honestly, I’m not here for that. I give and I also take. I seldom express agreement. Most of the time, when I’m silent, I’m not opposed. I say that because when you agree with someone, often, you just parrot what he/she say.
I usually disagree or present opposite ideas on selected issues because that is where the action is. You get to test the strength or weakness of your reason and the logic of the other side. And thereby gather knowledge and wisdom and lesson in the process.
I want to make friends and at the same time make enemies. Harmless ones. Enemies in the sense that we don’t see eye to eye on an issue not because of hate but because of principles.
Now, about your challenge of me writing, that’s out of my hands. I enjoy engaging like you and prefer to remain like that. I think I can be an effective opposition-at-large than be one guided by certain guidelines.
Lastly, I consider you an ‘enemy’ because you are not soft to me. I just hope our next encounter will be on issues and not personalities. 👀
@jameboy
“Now, about your challenge of me writing, that’s out of my hands. I enjoy engaging like you and prefer to remain like that. I think I can be an effective opposition-at-large than be one guided by certain guidelines.”
Out of your hands? How is that so? I just do not engage in the comment section, I wrote at least 5 articles for this blog. There are no guidelines in writing an article here at the Society, just pour your passion and let others analyze your arguments.
With a friend like you, who needs an enemy?
You say no more personality based arguments? Say that out loud so you can hear it. You want respect around here? Give it generously first. You get what you give.
Is that so? I’m not aware that you wrote some until you brag about it and I checked. Did I write in your blog that offended you? 😨
No guidelines? That could be the reason why you were able to squeeze in. Anyway, good for you and your oozing confidence and strong influence with friends. Me, I have no friends, hence, it’s out of my hands.
No need to test me because, like you, I’m practically writing an article with those kilometric posts I put up from time to time. If you think I have not proven anything, fine, I have no problem with that.
Respect? You can have it, I’m not here looking for that. There’s no ‘respect’ in the title of the blog. What’s in there is “Honor” which I think is more important. All I’m prefer to do is share and critique. If in the course of that objective I commit a wrong or offend someone, I’ll apologize and accept defeat and move on.
Then we scuffle and kerfuffle again. 👍
With a friend like you, who needs an enemy? – Juana
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You. 🙂
You’re my friend and enemy. You and I can do both. Let this serve as a peace offering from me to you, Juana. I apologize for any nega, offensive words or hurtful terms I let loose. I’m sure I hurt you and the others here. I’m sorry, guys.
We played hard with a lot of friction and that’s what happens. Let’s move on. 🌻
“I’m not aware that you wrote some until you brag about it and I checked. Did I write in your blog that offended you?”
I am not bragging, just stating facts. Why don’t you write something so you have something to brag about? Afraid of putting yourself out there for everyone to shred your arguments?
No. You did not offend me in my articles. You were not here when I wrote them that is why you are not aware of them.
“No guidelines? That could be the reason why you were able to squeeze in. Anyway, good for you and your oozing confidence and strong influence with friends.”
Ridiculing me when you do not have the courage to write one? My confidence is intact because I worked on it. Something you might need to do to get rid of your insecurities.
“No need to test me because, like you, I’m practically writing an article with those kilometric posts I put up from time to time.”
Kilometric posts and half of the content is ridicule, personal insult, criticism and other negativity.
That was a wrong choice of word on my part, and heck no one even picked it up. The correct word is BLINDERS not blinkers; my apologies . I take it that hecklers are not allowed in your society ? Is your society a censoring group ? I am NOT reconciling my view of life with Mariano; his priorities are different from mine. He is venting and I thought blogs are there so
people can vent out their frustrations. Personally I do not give a hoot as to whether folks believe what I say. I do not intend to preach, proselytize or convert ANYONE. To me a blog is a venue for dialogues, take it or leave it. I believe that ROXAS will make a good representative for Pinoys and that’s my advocacy; whether folks share my beliefs that is their choice; whether he wins or loses that is his fate and eventually the fate of PINAS, I think ergo
I am. Whatever happened to those peeps flaunting their Latin ???
Blinkers (horse tack) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blinkers, sometimes known as blinders, are a piece of horse tack that prevent the horse seeing to the rear and, in some cases, to the side.
I’m here and accounted for, Merced. 🙂
“Cogito, ergo sum.” (Rene Descartes). I think, therefore I am.
You’re right Mariano; more fun in Pinas for singing contest, tisay beauty pageants and paraisos – mercedes santos
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But since that is not all what Pinas is, you are being dishonest in what the country is really like. You are twisting facts with malice. You are really not making an effort to show what is wrong and how we can right it.
In short, you’re just a heckler in the gallery wasting time for the heck of it. ⛄
You betcha, old chap ☺ Just is is just might !!! Just don’t shoot the messenger ☺
I may waste my precious reputation but hell NOT my precious TIME !!!! Seems to may you have been deputized as the blogs administrator ? What happened to the corporal ?
mercedes, don’t take it personal. There are issues that I raised that you have not address so far. You called me ‘old boy’, ‘James old boy’, ‘old chap’ and now as blog administrator. Not my game really but what I’m interested in was about Manoy whom you support and his statements and posts that you follow.
You called your self “messenger”, but I’m not shooting you. I’m ‘shooting’ your message which so far you have avoided discussing about. Don’t tell me you will fail Manoy? 🐓
Here’s probably the message you have been yearning to hear: we the overseas Pinoys fight hard for your so called “reputation”. You go to a dept. store and the salesclerk stares at you and does not say anything; she/he’s probably thinking “oh another high class maid from uptown or probably an asian with money to burn. You open your mouth and ask a question and he/she smiles and think to herself, it’s a brown Yank after all. He/she shudders to think that the person in front can enunciate better than he/she can. He/she can be black, white or hispanic; some asian sales assistant will behave likewise. We came overseas because of forces beyond our control. I see Mariano as voicing his frustration over something that he or anyone else cannot control: the light at the end of the tunnel is getting further and further away. Are we able to change this dilemma ? Maybe, but it is only in articulating what has been bugging us for so long. There are lots of ipis and bedbugs, I don’t know the Pinoy word for it, in our environment and it is only in voicing them out that we are able to have a dialogue about them. Am I supporting Mariano, no but I won’t deny him his right to say what he thinks; you say he’s crazy but we have been crazy for eons of YEARS !!! How else can you explain the phenomena of an Aguinaldo, Marcos, Enrile and now Binay in our midst ?? Let out all the stench and let’s talk about them. Has Mariano been more offensive than these so called leaders ?? I don’t think so. I don’t use links as I would rather paraphrase. As Shakespeare says: Speak the speech I pray you etc. etc. That way if there’s an error in my
understanding I can be corrected. Always, I am open to be rectified.
bedbugs are surot,I think.
I am not against Mariano’s voicing out his frustrations because I’m voicing them too. What I am requesting is for him to moderate his rudeness and insulting words, his generalization that WE ARE ALL INFERIOR as compared to citizens of HIS COUNTRY.
Mary, you are already speaking on both sides of your mouth. Everybody knows you disagree with what Manoy is saying, period. Don’t belabor on something that needs no explanation. You are very clear, we get you. 🙂
Whoa, I totally missed reading this incredibly judgmental reaction of yours to my response to Mercedes, jameboy. First you called me dishonest, not being truthful enough, now being two faced commenter….. really!!!!! Thank you very much sir! You really unmade my day!!!! I need my BP meds now, pronto.
We came overseas because of forces beyond our control.
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That has nothing to do with the topic. Nobody cares if you came from hell and back. Overseas or over-the-bakod it’s the same. What is right there is also right here; the same with the wrongs. It differs only in the execution and appreciation. Don’t look at your self, look at the issue and tell me what is needed to address it properly.
I see Mariano as voicing his frustration over something that he or anyone else cannot control: the light at the end of the tunnel is getting further and further away. Are we able to change this dilemma ? Maybe, but it is only in articulating what has been bugging us for so long. – mercedes
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But can we change the situation by expressing crazy opinion out of frustration? I showed you Manoy’s statement, one of the many nonsense he puts up here, and up to now you have not touch it to defend or even explain it.
Voicing out frustration through nonsense diatribes and insulting remarks is not what we expect from people who are in a much better place or position than our uneducated kababayans. Have you seen the quality and focus of what Manoy is saying in this blog? It’s not about his concern for the country, it’s all about himself and how lucky he was. It’s not about the problems bugging the Filipinos it’s about how Filipinos are so low in his view that he can say whatever he wants to say against them. It’s not about an objective solution to what he sees as problems but mere insults and offensive statements not meant to mend ways and extend a helping hand but to hurt and disrespect just for the fun of it. It’s not about the desire to engage in a fruitful discussion to digest the subject matter in a serious manner. It’s all about nothing, actually.
And you understand, support and follow him for that?!
There are lots of ipis and bedbugs, I don’t know the Pinoy word for it, in our environment and it is only in voicing them out that we are able to have a dialogue about them. – mercedes
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Dialogue with “ipis and bedbugs”? What was that? And you were surprise to read the word ‘crazy’ in my post?
Am I supporting Mariano, no but I won’t deny him his right to say what he thinks; you say he’s crazy but we have been crazy for eons of YEARS !!! How else can you explain the phenomena of an Aguinaldo, Marcos, Enrile and now Binay in our midst? – mercedes
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There goes that ‘right-to-say’ ek-ek again. 🙂 Manoy has been free to say and post what he wants to say and post and he keeps on doing that without restraint and control. So, what’s the ‘right to say’ got to do with the issue?
Aguinaldo, Marcos, Enrile and now Binay? What about them? Have you heard what happened to those three and what is going to happen to Binay? You conveniently forgot Erap and Greedy Arroyo. Why? 🐷
Let out all the stench and let’s talk about them. Shakespeare says: Speak the speech I pray you etc. etc. That way if there’s an error in my understanding I can be corrected. Always, I am open to be rectified. – mercedes
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Fine, let’s talk about the stench but we should not stop there. We should also talk about solutions and mechanisms of reforms and changes and plans and programs and dreams and aspirations.
And we should cease hiding behind ‘frustration’ every time we want to insult and disrespect people. It’s not good and not a civilize way of engaging in a dialogue. Anyway, haven’t you notice the silence from Manoy’s end in the ongoing exchanges about your defense and admiration of him?
I tell you, it’s hard to be a follower especially of one who really doesn’t care about everything. 🌜
“Nobody cares if you came from hell and back. Overseas or over-the-bakod it’s the same.”
jameboy, that’s not nice…. in your passion, sometimes you are hurting people.
jameboy, that’s not nice…. in your passion, sometimes you are hurting people.
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Mary, there was no passion there, it’s all figure of speech emphasizing the similarities on everything. And I wrote it in a deadpan manner.
You have yet to read any ipis, bedbugs, etc, for you to talk about ‘passion’ or ‘nice’ to me. Please.
I’m on the same page with you about Manoy but frankly, you are the one exhibiting emotion when you speak about your dislike of Manoy.
Me, after realizing that the guy is a nut case I stop engaging nor reading what he put up. Is that a passionate expression? No, just stating a fact. 👲
I am not savvy on what over the bacod means, but if it indicates a grad school drop-out SURE that’s me ☺ My hubby however crowned himself with a Ph.D. Does that make me
less significant than him ? NOT in this lifetime ☺
Right on, mercedes.
Buddy Gomez wrote a very good article about “tempests in a teapot” like MRP and what Filipinos could learn from them:
http://tcdn01.abs-cbnnews.com/blogs/opinions/05/13/15/onion-skinned-and-irritably-short-fused-equals-pinoy
“Sticks and stones may break our bones but words will not hurt us. Perhaps, there are lessons, after all to be learned from the Daniel Orton and Kosin Prasertsri tempests in the teapot”
Yeah, those may break our bones, hopefully it can be healed. Words, insulting words, rude words directed to all of us IN GENERAL, I take exception to. Words hurt, not physically but mentally where it matters, and sometimes it stays with us, more so if it is oftentimes repeated in MRP’s very post.
Joe and the others can be brutally frank about our failings, why is it that I am not offended? It maybe because it was done in a diplomatic way, no meant to insult, but meant to show what is wrong with us, at the same time acknowledging that Americans and other nations have their own shortcomings too, and suggesting ways to improve things.
If being offended by such insults and rudeness is being onion skinned, so be it, I am onion skinned.. that’s me. I’m not into self denial.
I express my concern and I request MRP to moderate his rudeness and insults because I am of the belief that if I stay silent and not react, he will take it that I agree and enjoy being insulted left and right and so will go on and on and on ad infinitum… (sorry mercedes, that’s latin I think)
@Mary
MRP is so controversial that Joe already wrote two articles about him.
I admit that, like bittermelon and bagoong, he is an acquired taste. 🙂
This is my take on MRP’s generalizations about Filipinos: he is using it for effect, to get a rise out of his readers, to rile them into thinking or action. I called him Agent Provocateur before because he provokes people to react to what he is writing. Maybe deep inside him, he knows that we, Filipinos, have to reach the boiling point before doing something about the pernicious situations in our country? Remember the People Power and EDSA events? Somehow, hate and anger had motivated us in the past to really affect change for the better.
Juana,
Hate and anger against Marcos’ dictatorship and plunder, but not insult and rudeness against us thrown by a former Filipino who now looks down on us just because he is now in the first world. Those mosquito press have done their job making us awake and aware, but they were never rude or insulting.
This is my take on MRP’s generalizations about Filipinos: he is using it for effect, to get a rise out of his readers, to rile them into thinking or action.
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I don’t know about that. All I know is some people did was riled up not about the issue but about him. They were riled into thinking that moved them to defend not his idea but his style they called ssaattiirree!
When he insults people and attack everybody without engaging, they called it ssaattiirree. We ‘don’t know’ ssaattiirree. And since we don’t know such ‘complicated’ term that only few understand, mostly Manoy fans, we are called names.
Bottom line, ssaattiirree is used as a protection, a security blanket that answers all questions hence, for Manoy fans, no point in taking Manoy to task to explain or engage. He’s just venting, he’s just expressing his frustration, he’s just generalizing, he’s just using satire. He sees things ‘without blinkers’ says one loyal fanatic. lol!
In other words, he’s just a baby. 😏
@jameboy
(Using “YOU” as “I” am sick and tired of you bullying members of the Society. Gusto mo ng personalan, here you go…)
You do not know a lot of things but it never bother you to pretend that you do. This is my take on you: young, know-it-all, full of piss and vinegar.
You disparaged almost everybody in this blog in your own sarcastic way. You express yourself in “in-your-face” and personal manner.
You may write English in an acceptable manner but you miss a lot of the nuances of the language. Yes, jameboy, satire is real. There are also rhetorical questions that do not need your dissection and answers.
MRP right now is less annoying than YOU are, Mr. I-have-an-answer-to-everything.
There, that is how we vent in the South!
Gusto mo ng personalan…..
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No.
Yes, jameboy, satire is real.
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But who said its not?
And the point is, if Manoy is doing satire who are you to say it? Why don’t you allow the guy to use it as a defense? Why appoint yourselves as his spokesperson?
And you know why, there’s really nothing wrong in that but when I engage you you don’t go deep which I expect. You just parrot ‘it’s satire’ and then goes on to defend his style without actually disproving my opposition by addressing those comments made by Manoy. Some even went to the extent of mentioning ipis, bedbugs, etc. Can you imagine that?!
Have you read me saying satire is wrong? That’s not the point.
I asked some of you. I asked bauwow, who retreated by disavowing Manoy’s opinion by saying it was his and he has the right, etc. I mean, I’m not quarreling with you guys. I’m expressing my opposition which happened to be Mary’s issue also. Even josephivo and some share the same observation with different reasons. I showed proof why I don’t agree with him and I asked some of you if you agree with those I quoted from him. And nobody did.
Again, here’s another examples of Manoy’s ‘wisdom’
I got a beef and ax to grind against U.P. – Mariano Renato Pacifico
“I went to the former colonizer, USA, to surrender and apply for re-colonization so they can run my life like heaven than by Filipinos like Philippines.
If Filipinos wanted to be respected, FILIPINOS HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY AND ONLY MY WAY, THE AMERICAN WAY.” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
And as usual I expect silence on your end again. Fine, no problem. This issue has finally run it’s course. Let’s shift with other more meatier issues where we can all be happy and energize.
Peace, chow! ✌
@jameboy
“And you know why, there’s really nothing wrong in that but when I engage you you don’t go deep which I expect. You just parrot ‘it’s satire’ and then goes on to defend his style without actually disproving my opposition by addressing those comments made by Manoy. Some even went to the extent of mentioning ipis, bedbugs, etc. Can you imagine that?!”
Why go deep when I personally feel that your tirade is shallow and trivial? Nothing I will say anyway will change your contrarian mindset so why waste my time?
When I find myself being disagreeable, I summon some grace to quiet my spirit so I will not say/write something I will regret later. Going deeper when I am disagreeable is not a pretty picture so I try very hard not to retort.
@mercedes, never thought you could write long paragraphs! 🙂 Just kidding! I am with you.
My view of MRP, is that he reminds us to not to take ourselves too seriously. We have to admit that some of his posts are hilarious! He means well, and just like him, we have to accept the Philippines as it is
We don’t have to; netizens can start change if we work together !!!
Agree. The point that I am driving at is that we have to accept that our country has age old problems that seems to have no solution. These problems will not be solved if we do not work together and stop calling each other crazy or insane just because one person does not agree with our perspective. It is what it is.
bauwow,
Tell us what you think of this statement.
“I went to the former colonizer, USA, to surrender and apply for re-colonization so they can run my life like heaven than by Filipinos like Philippines.
If Filipinos wanted to be respected, FILIPINOS HAVE TO DO IT MY WAY AND ONLY MY WAY, THE AMERICAN WAY.” – Mariano Renato Pacifico
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There goes the rub. 🃏
The nice thing of MRP is that you constantly have to think “is he serious?”, “is it satire”, or “just a relapse in verbal diarrhea”?
And I judge MRP’s last paragraph as clear satire, so don’t get too overheated.
A civil (civilized) world thrives on satires and metaphors, does it not ??? Mariano’s oeuvre must be hitting a lot of ipis and surot the way he is being singled out. My disclosure: I am
using ipis and surot as metaphors for issues and I am NOT calling anyone an ipis or a surot.
Godfather, aren’t we all a sensitive lot ??? Yup, I admire Mariano, so there . . . hope we leave this poor guy in peace. He must be sleeping by now if he comes from the east.
Most probably, he is laughing his way to his bed.
poor guy, indeed.
When you constantly think whether or not another person is serious something’s wrong with you. Serious, satire or verbal diarrhea need not make you think or doubt. All you have to do is read what was written about and you can determine if a person is trying to engage in a productive exercise or not.
If you have been in a blog for months and months and you still cannot decide on a post that clearly project the message it intends to, boy, you are those we call in Tagalog, “mahinang pumik -up”.
I’m very sure Manoy is laughing right now knowing that he was able to hook some well-meaning but gullible posters by his bombastic style and loony overture. 👻
Imagine, they don’t even care to defend and explain his questionable statements but they can explain him and what kind of ‘style’ he has.
Truly fanatics comes in various forms and sizes. 👪
In the UK, in a colloquial conversation, all is satire, unless they are extremely upset then they use very straight language. In Germany everything is serious, unless they are extremely upset, then they use bitter satire. In the Philippines you talk straight as the Germans and when upsets you talk straighter than the Brits. But MRT is as the Brits on a normal day and as the Germans when he is really upset. (Correctly dosed satire is extremely difficult in a foreign language)
Indeed it is always amusing to see people who take satire seriously. But as I said, when his mental bowel movements are too frequent or too smelly, just scroll and open an other window.
Good you stopped constantly thinking of seriousness in what was said. Come to think of it, you’re also the same guy who said this about Manoy:
“Sometimes you have to hit a nail again and again, by doing so the chances increase to damage the wall when you miss-fire.
MRP IS HITTING THE SAME NAIL SOMETIMES TOO OFTEN AND DAMAGING THE BLOG SO NOW AND THEN BY DOING SO.
But what is worse, not telling that the emperor is naked or telling in a rude way and insulting him by doing so? It all depends on the situation, MRP SO NOW AND THEN (SOMETIMES TOO OFTEN) READ THE SITUATION WRONGLY I BELIEVE.”
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Yup! You said it, sir!
Notice how you never mentioned about “satire” (as if it’s a magic word or just the enlightened ones gets it) in those comment?
I wonder why? 😇
It is his view. We do not have to take him seriously.We do not even have to read his statements if we choose to. If we are affected, then it is our problem. I will not waste a single second arguing his statements.
With the permission of chedeng, Personally I do not give a hoot as to whether folks believe what I say. I do not intend to preach, proselytize or convert ANYONE. To me a blog is a venue for dialogues, take it or leave it.
I may leave it, as MRP has the penchant for posting so many of similar remarks here. It’s bad for my BP.
I so miss cha, cornball, yvonne and chit. I see them rarely nowadays. I’s good sir edgar lores, joseph and karl are still here. bert, micha, sonny, too, and the corporal, is Lance really your name?
No, Mary, it’s Lance Corporal, then X. MRP is classic troll personality, either getting a rise for his sake or a rise from other people, it’s Psych 101. He’s a genius precisely because he irritates people. The question is are you going to carve your time out to comment on his posts? So I’m with Mary, best to leave it. Ignore.
Thanks, Lance
Sometimes I respond to MRP, just to correct my perceived misconceptions of his, only to see the same comments repeated all over again (affidavits being not enough, Sereno doing illegal judgements, the AMLC selective investigations); it did not register at all, he did not even engage.
Sometimes I try to correct him, because if ever some new commenters visit, his comments might be taken as the truth as frequently no one is countering his judgmental generalizations. A lie, when repeated long enough can be perceived as truth, who said that, I wonder. I’m tired.
Sometimes I try to correct him… – Mary
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That’s the worse thing you will do to another poster. You criticize him/her by presenting an opposite idea or even agree with him with your own version of the story but NEVER correct anyone. Teachers correct their students: parents do the same thing with their children. Superiors do it with their subordinates. The saints over the sinners, etc.
Get the point? 👳
You have your own way of thinking, I have mine….let’s respect each other na lang.. It’s so tiring to engage in a debate on every phrase of sentence one gives out.
are you parekoy in disguise?… just asking
Just because we don’t share the same view doesn’t mean we don’t respect each other. I respect you but I don’t agree with you “correcting” people. You can vehemently oppose their point of view or contradict emotionally their position on issues but “correcting” them is not the way to go. Just saying. 😎
‘Parekoy’? I don’t know about that Mary. There’s no point in using several handles specially on my part. 😶
“That way if there’s an error in my understanding I can be corrected. Always, I am open to be rectified. – mercedes
I take this view also, and so is Joe or even PiE a.k.a. Irineo Salazar. If I have made a mistake, I am willing to be corrected even by my subordinate (but not in a rude and insulting manner). I acknowledge and accept that am not perfect.
One who is too rigid in his belief, too inflexible, not willing to be corrected by someone below his level is someone I don’t admire that much. To stick to his own belief no matter what one says to the contrary.
But that is me, and Joe and mercedes.
Not you, for you only your mother or your teacher or your superior can correct you.
What a lonely life you must be leading.
And all this because of a word – correct- that you disagreed on….
So after this post, what word, phrase or sentence will you disagree on and lecture me about?
Let’s end this and talk about issues, not me or how I process my thinking or my explanation to mercedes or to anyone. I was responding to mercedes and lance not to you.
This will be my last response to you as I see this will be endless.
constructive criticism can be in the form of correcting, di naman kailangan itake against sa nag correct ang correction unless me obvious malice.
True but how do you do the constructive correction? Saying is different from doing. I can constructively criticize you with the effect of correction, fine. But correcting you, per se, is another matter.
You see, ‘correcting’ has a sense of superiority like in the examples (teacher, parents, etc.) I’ve given. Constructive criticisms imply a sense of parity or equality.
And contrary to what Mary said, I did not disagree with the ‘word’ I disagree with the intent. Not the letters but the substance. 👶
If you say I am wrong because I said the world is flat ,should I feel inferior to you?Just say it without the word moron,stupid or half wit, in short if you say it nicely, nothing is wrong with that.Just my penny or one cent.
Should you feel inferior to me? Let me see, if I’m a teacher or a scientist and I said you are wrong because the world is flat, that’s fine. The correction is proper because there is difference in education, maturity, etc. I have the knowledge and the status and you benefit from it. However, if we are on the same level it would be preposterous for me to correct you on something I don’t have expertise of.
To be clear, one can correct anybody if he/she wants to, why not, but it has a downside effect specially in blogs like this.
Words such as moron, stupid or half-wit is always unwelcome regardless if you are correcting or criticizing. BUT if you have basis for it and you can defend it, it’s your call. 😎
Show me your credentials so I would listen to what you just said.
But you don’t have to,one can just take it or leave it at his or her own risk.
That is my Last view about the topic.
pasensya pero kailangan. i posted a wrong comment about Tithing and I was corrected accordinglyby giancarlo, that is the form of correction i am talking about and I find nothing wrong with that.
Mary Grace, I follow everyone who comments here at Joe’s blog. On balance I do get a good spread of intelligence, character color from everybody. This I am thankful for. There is much psychic energy going around. I like that. 🙂
Personally I do not give a hoot as to whether folks believe what I say. I do not intend to preach, proselytize or convert ANYONE. To me a blog is a venue for dialogues, take it or leave it. – mercedes santos
With the permission of chedeng, Personally I do not give a hoot as to whether folks believe what I say. I do not intend to preach, proselytize or convert ANYONE. To me a blog is a venue for dialogues, take it or leave it. – bauwow
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Typical echo you hear from students in row four. Lol! Biro lang guys! 👮
Ahahaha, ang galing mo talaga jameboy! Row 4 nga ako!
Di ka row 4 Bauwow pero anung masama kung row 4. Yung mga row 1 malabo mata at mahina tenga.
re the MRP issue, you guys might want to read up on, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
MRP is pure genius.
Namaste, LCpl_X.
Hey Juana, I just submitted the ACLU article Part I and Part II, but need to rewrite Part III, after edgar lores’ points on education, I had to re-write some thoughts.
Great to hear that. Looking forward to reading it. edgar is our in-house sage. He does a great parody of MRP too. 🙂
t seems that former vice mayor Mercado and his charges are being vindicated by the AMLC report. I have only one question: If the Republic of the Philippines has filed a case against the Vice President of the Philippines, shouldn’t he at least resign from his Cabinet position? One only has to read the petition of the AMLC, to realize that there is now “hard evidence” against him. He should stop making a spectacle of himself, and answer the charges as best he can. Solita Monsod
Read more of Solita Monsod’s article chere:
http://opinion.inquirer.net/84935/53-accounts-in-4-banks#ixzz3aGzkgB9S
“To me a blog is a venue for dialogues, take it or leave it.”
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It is easy to say that if you don’t have a sense of belonging.
The Society of Honor is not just a blog venue for dialogue to us denizens here. This is family, a ‘home’, Joe the host the head of the ‘family’. At least that is what I am feeling. And you guys my brothers and sisters. We argue, we joke, and quarrel sometimes, but anyone of you regulars here leaving for one reason or another will surely give me a feeling of loneliness as if I lost a sister or a brother. That goes too for Renato Pacifico. He has his gems, lots of clutter and thrash, too, abusado pa masyado, but I’m not going to leave this family just because of him. But I can only speak for myself. And so I worry for the future of this blog.
Mary, I understand you have your blood pressure problem, and I might have caused you some discomfort at times, too. I am really and wholeheartedly sorry and sad for that. But I am hoping that Renato Pacifico don’t get too much into your nerve.
jameboy, relax ka lang pare ko.
Bert,
I don’t recall any instance where you might have caused me some discomfort… you (along with the others) are a kindred spirit, as Joe used to say.
I’m not usually this dense, most of the time I can spot a satire (there’s one whole article of Joe that was 100% satire and for almost a whole day, he was satiric in raissa’s blog. NHerrera, Bert, you do that sometimes, sonny too and joseph.
With MRP, I just could not acquire the taste that Juana, Joe and chit are saying. I sense malice in his posts, sorry.
I also read PDI articles and their accompanying comments from netizens. It’s there that I spot MRP, albeit with a different handle and account. He regularly dishes out the same trollish comments that denigrate the Philippines and the Filipinos just like he does here…
I think he is laughing himself silly when he realizes the effect he has on people trying to discuss issues and current events to the point of completely hijacking the discussion.
Trouble is, my eyes are automatically speed reading every comments (MRP’s are usually in all caps style or as in the case of the PDI comments section, in bold letters, hard to miss and ignore.)
jameboy, relax ka lang pare ko.
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Lol! I’ve never been as relax, Bert. 👍
There is nothing more relaxing in seeing/reading people speak of wrong things and froth in the mouth just to cover up their emotions simply because you called their attention on something they support but cannot defend nor explain.
Guys, look, there has been no new blog since Joe took a vacation. This blog is an assorted one where we can talk of anything. And when the discussion turned into a mutual admiration society coupled with colliding viewpoints in style (Mary Grace & Manoy) the fanatics have come to the rescue of their idol and anyone who is not with them is overheated, sensitive, etc. All of those out of boredom.
Actually, I am more convince that the followers of Manoy, for failing to address the issues and questions that I raised, should be the one to relax for I can feel their nerves rattling on every post they put up. Poor souls, they have been had.
Me, I’m always here ready to lend an ear to anyone, fanatic pics or not. 🙂
Relax ka Lang jameboy, pasensiya ka na hindi lahat ng tao, kasing runong mo.
bauwow, relax ako sana ikaw din. 😇
This is family, a ‘home’, Joe the host the head of the ‘family’. At least that is what I am feeling.
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Me, the Society of Honor is an online barbershop where people gets to talk with, argue and discuss current events and issues. This is not ‘family’ because it is not. This is a space where letters and statements create ideas and opinions that shapes, influences and advances points of views.
According to Sister Sledge,We are Family.
jameboy, kung barbershop ito ay kinalbo ka na sana ni Renato Pacifico at ng mga iba pang suki dito na inaway.
🙂
Erlinda Chong, of the Binay cakes fame… the dots are now being connected, and I see a very conniving and corrupt Binay. Chong, Lee, Tiu, and other Chinese businessmen….no wonder he was recently quoted as saying “The Chinese are rich and we need their money as capital” referring to the Chinese incursions at the West Philippine Seas.
The first part of this article was an old case dating back 1999, but we now see that he has continued his association with this Chinese businessmen friends one of whom he once helped deprived our enlisted men in the AFP of their rightful piece of land for their residence.
Erlinda Chong, was made a lessee of the more than 8,000 sqm lot which ended up being sold to her, a potion of which she sold for a cool 100+ million profit. The rest of the property is now a thriving business establishment where the famous cakes were baked. Chong is one of the co-founder of the food corporation along with the Binay siblings. He and Binay, it appears, has a long history of collusion, she being an alleged dummy of the VP. Their bank accounts have been frozen too, by the CA upon the request of the AMLC.
“A complaint filed with the Ombudsman in 1999 alleges that the DENR colluded with alleged Binay dummy Erlinda Chong and Meriras Realty Development Corporation, for the sale of public land to Chong herself.
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/87076-binay-dummy-makati-property
More interesting background on Erlinda Chong
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/87092-erlinda-chong
Sharing this …..to help us understand why so many bank account of Binay’s friends are also frozen
http://www.rappler.com/nation/70151-binay-makati-corruption
Tomas Gomez III
An excellent example of investigative journalism. As usual. Please make sure that Malacanang has read and understood this expose and its impact. This is an open and shut case! It is time that PNoy lowers the boom on Binay and cohorts like the Limlingans and the Chongs.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/78360-makati-cake-supplier-tax-evasion
Guys, I’m sharing all these links for all the others like me who, because of being tied up at work, have missed all those live TV coverages of the Senate Sub-Committee hearings where all these where discussed in details.
These said hearings were done a few months ago but the surveys still show Binay at the top. Maybe, it’s because not that many people were able to watch for one reason or another.
It’s now up to us to share these to others to help disseminate the background for the frozen account of Binay and his friends/alleged dummies.
We are talking about a guy who might one day be elected president of this country, courtesy of the still misinformed electorate. The Binays are there crying persecution and howling and barking at the administration for their current troubles.
We need to inform others, and to do that, we also need information, hence these links.
Where are you Gerry Limlingan? Your mommy is looking for you.
MRP,
From Mareng Winnie:
It seems that former vice mayor Mercado and his charges are being vindicated by the AMLC report. I have only one question: If the Republic of the Philippines has filed a case against the Vice President of the Philippines, shouldn’t he at least resign from his Cabinet position? One only has to read the petition of the AMLC, to realize that there is now “hard evidence” against him. He should stop making a spectacle of himself, and answer the charges as best he can.
Read more: http://opinion.inquirer.net/84935/53-accounts-in-4-banks#ixzz3aInb833I
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TO: Mareng Winnie:
I agree Binay should resign, like, what I told Binay to resign some time ago even BEFORE Benigno and Binay had tête-à-tête to chart the course of Binay’s resignation. I AGREE WITH YOU THROUGHOUT 100%
I hope you should also agree with me that they have violated AMLC rules, regulations, whatever THEY call it as “LAW” daw. 2) Sereno also personally “OUTDATED” the Aguinaldo principle in the middle of the squabbles between Binay’s personal U.P. Lawyers versus Government U.P. Lawyers (I have to repeat U.P. over and over again to rub it in lest people forget that Government bureacracy is monopolized by U.P. graduates that eventually steal from the people). Sereno OUTDATED the principle because with the Principle in place the Philippine Government will have no match with this principle. SERENO have the gall to change the rules in the middle of Binay’s hanging. It is like having government contract approved then in the middle of it, it was deemed illegal to ACCOMODATE FAVE LOSING BIDDER; 3) I do not know the Binays so are the majority of the Filipino people, of course, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Binay and his cohorts to go around the country buying votes. I wasn’t boughted. I read it in the papers how THE BINAYS ARE MATUWID PEOPLE. I voted the Binays because the Philippine Media did not do DUE DELIGENCE when they made their analysis on the Binays. INstead, they promoted the Binays subtly. SUBTLE is not Filipinos can grasp. They cannot know they have been sold out. The Philippine Media overhyped, oversold, practiced subtle censorship FOR THE MONEY OF IT. 4) The open name-and-shame investigation is unfair. SURELY CANNOT HAPPEN IN MY COUNTRY, THE U.S.A., where 100% OF ANTI-BINAYS WOULD WANT TO LIVE. 5) My fans and haters know that with HUSTISYA MATUWID Binay can go free because of “incompetent” investigation and governemnt prosecutors. 6) The so-called American Filipinos wanted HUSTISYA BALUKTOT in my midst which they believe it is HUSTISYA MATUWID. These so-called American Filipinos cannot know. They do not read American newspapers. They subscribed to TFC which misinforms not to inform unlike American newspapers. It is no wonder that so-called American Filipinos can never sit in the jury. They are called. But not selected. I do not know the reason why. It could be about culture of injustice. Considering their agreement with Sereno, AMLC, name-and-shame open investigation, etcetera AND THE FILIPINOS GOING TIZZY CRAZY OVER IT, ME, I WOULD NEVER SELECT THEM TO SIT IN THE JURY. THEIR BRAINS ARE SO SCREWED AND MIXED UP. Wouldn’t dare to put them in the jury.
SO, THE FILIPINO PEOPLE “SUBTLY” SOLD OUT WITHOUT THEM EDUCATED HOW PROSECUTION SHOULD BE DONE. They already have rendered their judgement JUST LIKE SERENO.
But DESPERATE TIMES CALLS FOR DESPERATE MEASURES. BINAY’S NAME ARE SOOOOO SULLIED. That they are already found guilty. The People’s Democratic Republic of the Philippines wanted blood. The government has to deliver blood. TWEAK THE LAW. OUTDATE THE PRINCIPLE. MAKE IT WORK TO MAKE THE FILIPINOS TASTE BLOOD.
After Binay’s lynching, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. IT WILL BE MORE OF THE SAME. BINAY PROSECUTION COULD HAVE BEEN AN EXAMPLE FOR THE FUTURE GENERATION OF CORRUPT FILIPINOS BUT THEY’D RATHER PROMOTE TO MORE-OF-THE-SAME: H-U-S-T-I-S-Y-A B-A-L-U-K-T-O-T
There goes Binay’s and Arroyo’s spokesman with the same messages, so angry that his idols are unmasked
About legislation that was filed since the 90s but never seen the light of day because of pressure from the real estate empire is the land use act.
A 1999 article.
http://www.duckyparedes.com/archives/Malaya_Archive/1999/1999.01.08.Malaya.txt
It should be mandatory for any municipality to have a town planning committee.
I agree.Puro ad hoc .unsolicited advise,overpricing,bribery,etc.Ano ba naman ang masterplan para sa town or city . Mmda has some sort of master plan(for expansion of metro,plan for traffic,transpo hubs), pero weather weather din yata.pag di pabor si mayor o ang bagong administrator, wala.
I strongly agree. Kahit man lang sa simpleng municipality namin mangyari. Typical rural profile except for the coastal strip: 7 kms seaside, 4200 hectares, 42 barangays, 35,000 population. How complicated can it be? From what I have seen, a directed economy is appropriate, e.g. tourism (beautiful leeward recreational facilities that can serve less gifted inland collar municipalities); limited extractive limestone mining for cement manufacture.
How is Northern Cement doing now sonny?
Thanks for remembering, Micha. Though it was Holcim I was familiar with, you gave me occasion to look the company up again. The last time (2011) I passed their extractive site in Bacnotan, La Union I saw no obvious significant benefit going back to the municipality except for well-maintained town roads from site to the national highway. This sadly conflicts with the fact that the Bacnotan site is still a major source of raw materials for local/regional cement products. This is admittedly my narrow assessment, since I tend to look darkly on extractive, non-renewable industries, e.g. mining of any sort, given our propensity for minimal accountability. Bacnotan was part of my growing up environment albeit as a transient. It is listed as a first-class municipality. I hope I’ll have a late chance to see the town again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacnotan
PS. The simple municipality I was referring to is the neighboring coastal town of Luna, La Union. The string of coastal towns from San Fernando to way up to Pagudpud, Ilocos Norte I recommend to be checked out to enjoy a delectable feast for the cultured eye looking for pristine and timeless beauty. Of course, I am not biased. 🙂
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=luna+la+union+beaches&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
PPS. Another sampling of Luna:
Sonny,
Thanks for the info.
Here is one of many(?) other ways to go about it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Luna+La+Union+beaches&tbm=isch
Clicking on any of the images will give you more options – such as “Visit page.”
Thanks for the assist, i7sharp. 🙂 — sonny
The HUSTISYA BALUKTOT applied to Binay Family will haunt the next generation of Filipinos.
The HUSTISYA BALUKTOT applied to ZTE and its corrupt characters will haunt the next generation of Filipinos.
The GOSSIP NEWS applied to all of the above will haunt the next generation of Filipinos.
It will be more of the same. Nothing will change. There will still be reverse racism. Filipinos against Filipinos. Adoration of the mestizos and mestizas. Putting down indigenous traditional looking Filipinos over Mestizos. The promotion of turo-turo eng-get allegations without evidences.
These will soon bite you in the behind tomorrow like yesterday, today, and forever.
When Filipinos WILL BE raped by the laws they violated they will remember my name: MARIANO RENATO PACIFICO. Unfortunately, I am not a lawyer. I cannot protect you people.
The fanatically religious Philippine Catholic Filipinos Get-Binays-by-Hook-or-by-Crook conveniently forgot or never have uttered famous Blackstone Principle since Binay took the heat:
“It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”
Of course, the Filipinos know Blackstone quote by heart. This time, the Filipinos would rather jump into Dante’s Inferno for sweet revenge today.
You and all the others opposing the President have a common argument – when one is being investigated for corruption, he is being subjected to revenge… you all say that about Arroyo, Corona, now Binay and all the other alleged plunderers.
Just like the haters out there in electronic media like PDI, you could not even respectfully refer to the President. It is always Benigno, Abnoy, etc.
I absolutely respect President Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino. I want to name him as simply “Benigno” because this is a name the Filipinos use less uttered.
Mariano Renato Pacifico, I seem to remember a guy named Mariano Renato Pacifico Marcos. Any relation?
No Comment. I neither deny or admit we are related in one way or another. I am an upright citizen that fight for fair justice.
Oh, yes, fair justice for the likes of Estrada, Corona, Arroyo, Binay and the other alleged plunderers… not fair justice to their victims – the Filipino people.
They have several teams of top lawyers in the country fighting for them, if you haven’t notice.
These topnotch lawyers are seemingly losing their clients’ case. Just goes to show that defending the indefensible will not triumph in a just country intent on eliminating corruption and impunity.
Brilliant question, Mary as it led me to some plausible explanation why the Aquino sisters and the Cojuangco clan seem to exhibit lukewarm reception regarding Mar Roxas.
Pacifico Marcos is Ferdinand’s brother. Mariano Marcos is their father.
The Aranetas have ties with the Arroyos and Marcoses.
Einstein is right. It’s all relative. 🙂
Ahhhh…. now I understand the Aquino sisters and the Cojuangco’s preference to Binay during the 2010 presidential election.
The tragedy of it all is that Binay succumbed and was eaten up by the corrupt system. He started well, a human rights lawyer, fought Marcos alongside Joker, Ninoy, and Saguisag. He became drunk with power, he was given a taste of it when Corry appointed him OIC of Makati City, had absolute power over that locality and never looked back on the principles he was originally fighting for. And we know how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Roxas was a cabinet member of the Arroyo government. But we don’t know the workings of his inner mind; he is not tainted with corruption issues, his mother is well known for her integrity, and he gave way to PNOY when it became clear that the latter is what the people wanted. Will history repeat itself, will he give way anew since the people seemingly want Poe as their next leader?
I have mixed feelings, Poe is rumored to be a Marcos daughter, Roxas is also a relative by marriage to the corrupt regimes. Scratch then the blood relations, look at their performance and their integrity.
I wish Poe will make it clearer her stand on Binay (although it took Binay’s innuendo regarding her inexperience for her to say a little about that) the Marcos ill gotten wealth, the issue of his being buried in the Libingan ng mga Bayani, will she pardon the alleged plunderers if and when they are convicted.
Things will be clearer then, for me, at least.
I think, in a passive way, Poe is signaling that she is not in bed with Binay and the other opposition personalities. She seems to be seriously considering running under the LP banner after her talks with the President and Mar.
I do not hold Mar’s relatives against him. He surely did not have a choice nor say on who can be in his family tree except for the one he married. I agree that he does not seem to have the patronage and corruption baggages.
I believe that he should commit to running for the Presidency NOW so his poll ratings will go up. The masa still see him as “dehado” right now because of the survey results and he will not be “llamado” until he announces his desire to run in 2016. The masa love survey winners and Mar has to start building the momentum NOW.
I also believe that a Roxas-Poe combination will be the best thing that could happen to the Philippines in 2016. Is is true that Mar is only placing 3rd right now on the surveys and pundits are saying that Poe is the only one who can beat Binay. I do not believe that. Mar was defeated in 2010 by a very negligible margin by Binay. He garnered massive votes when he ran as a Senator. To me, that all points to the fact that Mar could beat Binay easily and with the unsavory issues attached to Binay at the moment, Mar’s sweet spot just got sweeter.
I sing with the choir when it comes to Poe being a VP candidate. I think she will be better prepared for Presidency next time and with OJT as a Cabinet member, no one can call her a newbie anymore.
Hey Joe, I hope you are OK, and I hope you post soon enough.
Thanks Karl. In Manila now, on the way home. All’s well. Will post in a day or two. Are y’all getting tired of yourselves? Ahaha Seeming a tad snippy now and then. 🙂
Glad to know that all is well, the Lance Corporal has submitted his article.See you soon.Stay safe.Sorry if I am snippy..
I wasn’t referring to you. 🙂 I’m catching up on the reading and so far have culled a list of about 4,389 blogs I can write thanks to the dynamic conversation. I got LCX’s article, parts 1 and 2, and the first one will be out later this week.
Sorry Joe, I have to channel Angry Maude. I am going to put my self on time-out now. 🙂
Good to have you back Joe… we missed you. we needed a referee for a while there..hahaha
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/691822/leftists-break-silence-come-out-swinging-at-binay
Oh look, they finally said something. Unfortunately, it’s too little, too late. By now the people’s view of them is beyond repair.
The funds had been frozen. Bayad muna, di ba? 🙂
LOL…
so slow and dense,ngayon ko lang nagets.
Danding Cojuangco, the original Pacman who gobbled the funds collected from coconut farmers to buy his controlling shares in San Miguel Corp. is now in Tarlac distributing some goodies. I thought he was living like a king in Australia.
http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/193373/danding-cojuangco-i-made-the-right-decisions
Anak ng tukneneng, nagpapatahan yata ng konsiyensya.
Binay, Estrada, Danding.
Magkasangga!
Kahit papano naman siguro ay wala ng balak pang tumakbong Presidente si Bosing kasi uugod-ugod na ang kumag at may sakit pa yata sa atay. Gusto nya lang sigurong maging kingmaker para ma-protektahan ang mga ninakaw ng walanghiya.
Si Danding ba ang tinutukoy mo, ang alam ko nag undergo sya ng kidney transplant 2 or so years ago. May sakit din sa atay?
Huh? Danding Cojuangco living in Australia? How can he live in Australia when Danding survives on coco farmers? How can Benigno Aqino let Danding get away with coco farmer’s levies? How much did Danding gave to the church for God to protect him and live a goot life in australia?
THE FILIPINO PEOPLE SHOULD PROTEST THE CHURCH AND TAGLE AND THE VATICAN!
A blast from the past (or why the past is connected to the present) :
Pano nga ba napso sa eksena si Ramon Ang,binili ba nya shares ni Danding?yun ba sinasabi ni haydee Yorac na fire sale?Will Binay be backed by Danding money? Who will the other taipans support?
Fire sale? Let’s discuss this in more details. Haydee Yorac was a very excellent public servant. Too bad we lost her to cancer or was it kidney disease?
Fire sale – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A fire sale is the sale of goods at extremely discounted prices, typically when the seller faces bankruptcy or other impending distress.
More on Cojuangco:
hah, link shared already by micha, I see, sorry… ahahaha…
Insider trading is another anomaly done by the likes of Roberto Benedicto for shares owned by the government then sold the same to Manny Pangilinan and realized hundreds of millions in profit.
The Chinese businessmen are surely being aided by our traitorous government officials like Binay and others.
Erlinda Chong who was just made a lessee of the 8,000+ sqm property in Makati (near Fort Bonifacio intended for enlisted military personnel, who with the help of incredible machinations of Binay, was able to purchase the said lot at discounted price (less than 20 million), sold a part of it for more than 100 million profit, formed a food corporation located in the remaining portion of the property which cornered all government food catering requirements.
Ramon Ang, now president of SMC, what’s the real story?
The Filipino Chinese have taken over the Philippines. Look around us, luxury cars driven by Filipino drivers en route to first class air-conditioned international schools with Chinese children and Filipino yayas aboard. The rest of the Filipinos are packing themselves in MRT, LRT and the buses and jeepneys. The middle class have private cars, yes.. the cheapest kind if not second hand.
We did this to ourselves through our mindless government officials.
Back to Ramon Ang.
Per Wikipedia
“Ang was elected Vice-Chairman of San Miguel Corporation in January 1999; and in March 2002, its President and Chief Operating Officer. In June 2012, Ang gained control of San Miguel Corporation after acquiring the shares owned by Eduardo Cojuangco, Jr.”
Tunglol sa discrimination this is where MRP’s reminders come in.Wala na tayong magawa meron talagang discrimination at reverse dicrimination,sabi pa nga nya mas masarap pa pagkain ng aso kesa sa katulong.
Could be true,pero di naman lahat,kami di naman mayaman pero me mga katulong din kami ngayon isa na lang pero ang pagkain nila,yun din niluto nila para sa amin.
Tungkol sa Intsik nakatikim din sila ng pangaapi tinawag natin sila beho(ano ba ibig sabihin nun?)
On other matters.PCGG was another good intention that lead to nowhere.More bad news than good news.Back on Chinoys Lucio Tan ran from the taxman and now another Lucio is making millions through Puregold with his rumored smuggled goods.That brings us to retail when you travel to tagaytay you see walang bumibili ng mga fruits dahil ang supermarket ng Sy,Gokongwei,Co ay kumalat.Sa Baguio SM ang competition ng farmers at small retailers.This is the picture I see.
err… a very serious error there, sorry… I meant Roberto Ongpin…aaargh
Coco farmers are owners of San Miguel. Where is Sereno? Busy running after ghost of Binays? It is called “SELECTIVE JUSTICE”
“SELECTIVE JUSTICE” is the mantra of Jinggoy, Revilla, Binay and all the other alleged plunderers. They are your idols, it now appears, you defend them all. You hate this government because it is running after your idols.
I do not defend them. I defend justice in purest of form.
You accused me of idolizing the crooks.
You are mistaken.
I idolize justice.
Mary, you are a brilliant woman, I take.
You know if justice is served, the crooks go free.
The crooks should not be given fair justice
so they cannot go home free.
huh?
Justice, as formal justice versus fair justice? Fair justice as the purest form? Formal justice as justice based on a collection of subjective affidavits? What are the solutions?
Please enlighten us before it is too late and Joe starts with a new article.
Thank you, Dr. Seuss II. Your rhymes and meters need some work. 🙂
Of those 224 accounts, how many were actually VP Binay’s? I counted 19, of which seven are jointly held with others—five with his wife Elenita, and two with his finance man, Gerry Limlingan. These 19 accounts are in BDO Unibank (4, including the 2 with Limlingan), Land Bank (2), Metrobank (1), Security Bank (4), BPI (5, held jointly with Elenita), PNB (2), and RCBC (1). His son, Mayor Junjun Binay, has eight accounts in five different banks. Together, they account for 27 of the 224 accounts. Abigail Binay and Nancy Binay’s accounts were not mentioned, simply because they were not named in either the Senate hearings or the charges with the Ombudsman. Solita Monsod
Surveys rule, then?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/691932/roxas-may-slide-down-for-poe-says-lp
Be very wary of Philippine Media surveys. Binays are the result of Philippine Media and SWS surveys. They promoted Binays while turning a blind eye on his “corruption”. Making the Binays: Senators, Vice-Presidents and Mayor.
The Philippine Media pits Filipinos against Filipinos. They promote a candidate. They trash the candidate that they promoted.
In the end, the losers are the Filipinos.
The Binays are claiming now that their wealth came from not only their salaries but from business as well.
I wonder if the courts should confiscate those businesses that they are claiming. They have cornered all of Makati’s service oriented ones, sort of captive clients/customers… Makati cakes for senior citizens, food catering for Makati hospitals and the city hall itself (from Erlinda Chong/Binay siblings food corporation), security guards for the same and others that we are not aware of.
That’s conflict of interest rule being blatantly violated.
Finally, she joins the fray!
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/692036/poe-lashes-back-at-binay-country-needs-honest-leaders
Better late than later.I got a feeling that Roxas will give way as per reports.
More, please Senator Poe….hehe
I have mixed feelings there, surveys and all… the risk of another opposition (Estrada and other Arroyo supporters, or worse Binay, maybe? running and winning. Poe is so admired by the masa.
I must be in the minority in this website that I still support the Philippine Daily Inquirer. Sure by international standards it has a lot to be desired, but compared to Manila Bulletin (which has a number of *openly* pro-Binay columnists such as that Hector guy) and the Philippine Star (which has fools such as Bobit Avila, Carmen Pedrosa, and Atty. Jose Sison (not to be confused with Joma)), it’s the lesser evil. At least they regularly expose the antics of Binay and occasionally even Aquino, while the other papers may focus on Aquino but not Binay. But lately, my view of them has been going south. Why? PDI is full of Dutertards!
Seriously? You want Rodrigo Duterte, notoriously trigger-happy Mayor of Davao, to become President of the Philippines? Duterte wants to kill all criminals! And the people at PDI are perfectly fine with that: in fact, they support him for *that very reason*. Do you want investors and tourists to leave the country? Do you want six years of progress under P-Noy to go kaput and have our international image ruined because we have a maniac as a president? Duterte is just as bad as Binay, if not worse. He’s also part of a dynasty (his daugher Sara became Davao mayor at some point), and let’s not forget his links to the NPA (he said he’d make a coalition with them if given the chance). Que horror! And the sad part is that the PDI Inquirer Disqus community is rather intolerant of views against Duterte: if you criticize Duterte, prepare to get some negative reactions. Dutertards are just as bad as Marcos loyalists. I’d rather have Poe or even the incompetent Roxas over a maniac like Duterte.
I agree with you, MKL… I read PDI and try to spot their slanted, editorialized, opinionated news reporting and process them in accordance with what I observe. I like some of their columnist, I sometimes agree and sometimes don’t, it’s alright, that’s the opinion part of the paper.
I have a suggestion – (or maybe it’s no longer needed since in all probability you already have), please copy and paste this comment of yours to PDI for the enlightenment of those Dutertards (a very apt description there, MKL, hahaha)
Hot off the press:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/05/19/philippines-probe-mayor-s-alleged-death-squad-links
Yes, it’s about time, why only now? His wild press releases are attracting others of the same mold.
mould…(heck)
pang British ang mould, american english ang mold.
Thanks, karl… I was thinking of molds and mildews, that’s why I corrected… .. haha typos lang pwedeng i ignore.. automatic lang yung correction ko sa sarili… but the glaring ones really jolt me, imagine typing Roberto Benedicto instead of Roberto Ongpin.. whoa!!
mold and mildew: una ko nakita yung words na yun sa Lysol: “Kills Mold and Mildew”.
Roberto Benedicto at Ongpin, parehong me role nung panahon ni Marcos .
eto yung mga king nung panahon ni Marcos.
“Though family members on both sides were carefully looked after, few received more than figurehead responsibility. It was by using his most trusted lieutenants, the men who referred to themselves as his “cronies,“ that Marcos would gain a near-stranglehold on the Philippine economy.
Eduardo Cojuangco became the “Coconut King,“ Antonio Floriendo the
“Banana King,“ Herminio Disini the “Tobacco King,“ Jose Campos the
“Pharmaceutical King,“ Roberto Benedicto the “Sugar King.“ According to the buttons on the intercom system at Malacanang Palace, Ferdinand Marcos was simply “The King.“”
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-03-23/news/8601210600_1_jose-y-campos-eduardo-cojuangco-ferdinand-marcos
The Benecictos – are they also the same who controlled Channel 9 before?
How about Herminio Desini, what was he a king of? Ahh… the BNPP King
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/498295/high-court-affirms-cases-vs-marcos-crony-disini
Cronies, the inner friends who were rumored to have been granted behest loans which ended up being paid by the poor taxpayers.
Cronies (now dummies?) who controlled the whole country with their respective businesses.
If only profits from said enterprises have remained in this country, instead of being deposited in Swiss banks, invested in mansions and chalets in Austria, US and other countries, the Philippines could have avoided the economic crisis.
Such economic crises spawned or gave rise to our domestic helpers in various countries abroad, the skin trades entered into by those who went to Japan or even locally by those who have no means to search for better opportunities abroad.
Herminio Disini, the tobacco king who later became the BNPP (Bataan Nuclear Power Plant) king…
Who are the present kings nowadays? Jueteng lord, drug lord, malls lord… Basically the same – the descendants inherit them, one kingdom taken over by Pacman pal (tobacco king, the erstwhile Erap crony turned whistle blower on jueteng , but with the additions of those cronies of the Arroyos, one who cornered the power supply of the country with tie ups with the Chinese, he who controls our Meralco bills and who now belongs to the billionaires list of Forbes magazine; who else? – the businessmen friends (dummies?) of Jojo Binay and family.
I now recall and see what you mean…..
Marcos Graft Staggering
Investigators Trace Billions In Holdings
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-03-23/news/8601210600_1_jose-y-campos-eduardo-cojuangco-ferdinand-marcos
Benedictos ran RPN 9 Pati yata IBC 13.
Rentseeking talaga ang umiiral.
So what? Living on somebody else’s money here is completely acceptable. Who cares about a little utang? So why complain that Binay developed it into a fine art and lives on billions that do not belong to him?
So what? Live is so cheap here, look at the 700,000 abortions a year, look at the ease political opponents and journalists are erased. So why complain about Duterte who kills for the good reasons?
Aren’t we Catholics, just one confession away from a clean soul and thus heaven. And aren’t Catholics compassionate? Binay and Duterte in their seventies, close to their last confession, shouldn’t we give them one more chance?
Avoid young blood, new wild ideas, lack of experience, children of famous fathers. Look what happened with the current young bachelor? Expectation rising faster than the 7% growth, do you really want more of that? Isn’t it better to get all pro-poor messages during campaign and some voting money, so one can dream? What happens afterwards, bahala na.
But still, me too, I agree with you.
Except for the last line, I think you have also mastered the art of writing satires.
I’m afraid the masa share the same attitudes, satire though they are. They lump all politicians in the same category, the one who can provide them with their immediate gratification gets their votes.
Just sigh in frustration.
That’s interesting. I wonder if the Duterte backers follow his lead, shoot first and ask questions later. Not exactly the qualities I’d like to see in a president as we face off against China. It has no patience for due process, which means it is not really democratic. Horrible listeners, I suspect.
I pick on the Inquirer because it is the best, and if it’s standards are low, what direction is the press going? The wrong way, it seems to me. Until now, the media have operated in their own little playing arena of impunity. So they need to be called out. By name. So I have focused individually on Rappler (editors listened), and the Inquirer (I have no idea . . .). Interaksyon is next.
Name ’em. Call them what they are. Unethical, according to international journalism standards.
Name and shame ’em… yes….
The idea that Mar can easily beat Binay is a little over the top. One-on-one, before the corruption scandal exploded, Binay can easily trash Mar based on what the popular survey was saying. After the freezing of his and his cronies bank accounts because of the raging case of ill-gotten wealth, if election is held right now, Binay wil still win against Mar because of Binay’s wide margin over him and the monkey wrench in Mar’s way called Sen. Grace Poe.
Very clear it’s going to be a hard climb for Mar from now on. He is a far third on surveys. He’ll have to go through Sen. Poe to even get closer to Binay. And that is not easy. Overall, everything is stacked against Him. So what should he do?
Well, he only has to make one thing and nothing else in order to capture Malacanang, he has to take Pres. Noynoy to task about upholding their agreement when he agreed to slide down to number two in 2010. Of course, I’m assuming that there is an agreement for Mar would not have done it for a song. And that agreement is for PNoy to give his full support to Mar when the time comes. I’m very sure the President will not think twice to do such that.
What I’m not 100% sure of is if the President can convince Sen. Poe to sacrifice and slide down for Mar. Right now, though, I’m 85% sure he can do that. And it makes perfect sense because PNoy, more or less, has been instrumental to what became of Sen. Grace Poe for what she is now. I just hope Sen. Poe has not been bitten by power trip bug yet. 🌝
Very accurate analysis.
With the way the President himself suffering from survey slump, how can he help Mar? Of course the formidable government machinery is something else.
It’s because of Mar’s poor showing in the polls that Poe IMHO is being touted as the one who will continue Pnoy’s programs with the LP bigwigs now considering her (and for Roxas to slide down again as her VP candidate).