The Philippines is anti-knowledge
Analysis and Opinion
By Joe America
I posted this tweet a few days ago:
“Science is knowledge. Truth is knowledge. Politics, propaganda, lies, trolls, and conspiracy theories are the opposite of knowledge. They are deceits and delusions. They are good for the greedy, bad for the nation. The Philippines is largely anti-knowledge.”
Philippine government blows smoke and buys loyalty. It is a successful formula, although, for the nation, it produces wholly underwhelming results. People live in poverty, solutions create red tape and inefficiency, the infrastructure is dilapidated, favored people get rich, and the rest lap up simplistic ideas as if they were salvation.
Truth is irrelevant. Transparency no longer exists. Science is shoved aside. Accountability is missing.
Do you know what accountability is? It is the science of results. It takes human insecurities out of the equation and looks strictly at achievements. If a pole vaulter succeeds at 5.7 meters but fails at 5.8, the science says he is accountable for achieving 5.7, and there is no further judgment needed. That’s a fact.
Bad use of the fact occurs if we say “you bad man, you”. It’s destructive. Or if the runner says “the track was slow” and learns nothing from the jump.
Good use of the fact occurs if the vaulter says, okay, in 2024, I will make 5.8 and beyond, so I have to work on my strength and technique. He is using the fact to build.
That’s accountability.
The Philippines aspires on a base of deceits and delusions, not facts. It learns nothing. It fails every time.
The nation’s character is largely one of blames and excuses. Not accountability or lessons learned.
To build well, you have to have facts, the stuff of cement and steel that anchors thinking. Cold rational thinking.
I’ve come to appreciate our contributor LCX here at the blog after many years of argument. His technique is to challenge or take down our conventional thinking. He challenges democracy, religion, human rights, education, ecology, electricity, or any other conventional thinking. Then, when it is sufficiently destroyed (fallaciously or otherwise), he reconstructs a different model. Sometimes he is genius, sometimes he is naive, sometimes he is wrong, but 100% of the time he provokes new thinking.
The Philippines has very little thinking, as far as I can tell. Old or new. It has reacting, gaslighting, guessing, lying, or playing. Not thinking.
The Philippines does have one gentleman who understands. His name is Agerico de Villa. He says:
“The enemies are the wrong forms of reasoning that contaminate minds like viruses that contaminate our blood streams. These wrong forms of reasoning make zombies out of our generals and the man on the street.”
Here’s one of his articles. It discusses a particular popular fallacy, Affirming the Consequent:
“If I am a competent leader, then our economy is going to grow. Our economy is growing. Therefore, I am a competent leader.”
That’s the style of reasoning that infests Filipino thinking and voting. And it is bad. Just plain bad.
You never get to accountability.
You build on deceits and delusions and get failure.
Filipinos need to work harder on the science of results, and their sense of logic. They need to set aside easy moral judgments and fascination with symbols and idols. They need to stop escaping with excuses and taking the easy way with blames. They need to get to work, thinking. Cold, rational thinking that removes THEM from the premise.
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On a related(I hope) note.
We have the wrong czars.
If ever a president will hire generals again they must take a public administration course not like the crash courses our new congressmen take .
Let that be a mimumun requirement for civil servants even for congressmen. ( another moon shot)
True. I think Duterte thinks “If I can do presidenting, generals can run things, too!” So he doesn’t hire for competence or knowledge.
it’s like the musical, the king and I, no one’s head must be higher than the king’s. naturally, the generals understands hierarchy and all answers to duterte: their heads not much higher than duterte’s and all refer to him as well.
there’s also a music term for it and my esteemed friends translate it as ‘back to the head’. or to go back to the beginning, again. a role the generals are quite happy to play and paid well for it.
all the king’s horses and all the king’s men converge on isko moreno, lol! and for once, not on leni who is isolating as contact of covid.
1st, dilg et al (methink!) tried to swamp isko’s manila covid website to dump tons of data, and failed due to manila’s superb firewall. but the diehards tried again, this time messaging and directing crowds to city vax hubs at 2am in the morning, bypassing unmanned covid checkpoints. busy socmed consultants employed by this govt hard at work talaga, their severance pay must have quadrupled, lol! then, came the direct assault on isko and his supposedly failure to contain drugs in the city. tried 3x, failed 3x.
yay! all the king’s horses and all the king’s men cannot get isko on dolomite, else the king’s denr appointee would be dragged as well. anti-knowledge kaya sila, creating thier own knowledge and make it look like truth? but the machinations of all the king’s horses and all the king’s men could not satisfy the perimeters of what makes for an iota of truth.
their three wrongs could not make a right. about face!
That would be explosive if it could be shown that National Government conducted a malicious attack on a City government. The Senate must needs investigate.
I tweeted it as conspiracy theory. Feeling mischievous.
“What would be the implications if a national government agency orchestrated a malicious attack on a city government? That’s too much for me to wrap my feeble mind around. I’m sure it didn’t happen. Might have been the Russians maybe, or OCTA.”
3 strikes and they’re out, damn russian hackers, kaputnik.
🤣🤣😂
On LCX,
Me too, just a few days ago I was about to give up on him but he grew on me.
I also may be wrong, naive fallacious etc i and hope I learn how to provoke thinking without looking like a scatter brain.
Yep. Same here.
That’s my similar take on Lance all along which I think I commented somewhere ions ago. Of course as always you are more precise.
A few days back I just wrote this in a blog :
“What makes one an interesting individual is we sieve through our minds what we see, hear and read, and formulate ideas and impressions that are reflective of our own thinking.”
So rather than regurgitating, we add some spice and a different perspective. I have to say Lance does a lot of that.
The pole vaulting example is nice. The Philippine Olympic medalists will all know where their medals come from. Hard work.
But then again, when does the backsliding to the dominant anti-knowledge culture set in? Why did Manny Pacquiao not apply what his trainer taught him to his politics? No results unless you do something for them.
And even worse, as Gege Sugue once pointed out, Makati folks who know how to put perfect business cases together did NOT apply their competence to politics and voted for highly incompetent Duterte. Is knowledge just seen as a tool to get a job or an award over there, not as an attitude to life and its decisions?
“He challenges democracy, religion, human rights, education, ecology, electricity, or any other conventional thinking.”
Thanks karl and Joe. for the vote of confidence. In that list above, i’d say electricity is the thing that I’m trying hardest to take down.
I just watched the women’s Sport Climbing event from Tokyo, and although I’ve climbed a bit was not really tuned to the competition world. So , this is the first I’m seeing all this as competition, although I’m a big fan of American Ninja warrior.
So the far wall is the Lead event, in which you climb but bit by bit strapping yourself for safety at every point; then the Bouldering wall, no safety gear just free climb if you fall its close enough not to injure; then its the Speed wall like a sprint to the top. fast in seconds. And furious too.
As far as thinking goes, its very much akin to those 3 events. Sometimes you need to Google to make your arguments stick (essentially thats your thinking ) hooking up, do some research, etc.; then Bouldering is well you pretty much freestyling, like you have a gut feeling a hunch and you just go with it; no safety latch at every single point like the Lead, so all by feel;
then Speed is like our tit for tat quick arguments, its just for mental exercise really. Fun though, but really minimum of skills. Bouldering is my favorite event; but the actual skill lays in the Lead wall, one grip at a time, as you build your argument, doing research to ensure you don’t fall, and make an ass of yourself.
Those speed climbers are amazing. Thin. Wiry. Spider DNA I’m guessing.
Yes, the connection of mind and heart to ideals seems missing. Voters who cheer Hidilyn don’t hold themselves to standards of excellence. Ethics are abandoned for benefit, as we look at all the lawyers in the House jostling for pork and favor. The beams upon which a productive, thinking nation ought to be built are missing. Standards. Ethics. Rational thinking. Dispassionate judgment. Pride in ethical behavior. It will take a superb leader to install the framework of good thinking.
sadly lacking is a leader that inspires, encourages and rewarding of the good done, instead of a corrosive leader with missing marbles that usurps and stymie the growth of the nation, whose every waking moment is managed by a chinese whisperer.
True that.
Just a bit of Edgarism before I comment on topic proper.
“Science is knowledge. Truth is knowledge”
Science is not always absolute, some are temporal as new knowledge comes out. Eg Newtonian absolute time has been rejected by Einstein relativity of time.
Truth is a bitch as the world moves away from dogma into relativism. Everything is now subjective to those with some liberal blood in them.
The Filipino problem as you described is really nothing to wonder about. Socrates saw this problem 2,500 years ago. Filipinos just do not wish to leave Plato’s Cave.
Science as a process is an absolute search for knowledge, or the skilled application of it, and is therefore important to how we choose to live.
The idea that we are moving from dogma to relativism requires exploration. Relativism to me is an unstable fluidity lacking standards or anchors. It would chuck the dogma of laws in favor of someone’s higher-minded ideal of rules that can change on a whim. But maybe I’m seeing it wrong. Care to blog the topic? Put some meat on it?
Socrates once said I know that I know nothing and set that ball rolling.
In the Philippines the usual figures of authority say “when you know you know” and what they proclaim is then “true”.
Sadly it does seem that far behind.
octa is good example, it’s mostly academic members, analysts, et al, are being quizzed on their qualifications. I wonder if those quizzing are qualified enough to quiz octa, lol!
UP wash its hands of octa, just as well. as professional org, octa should very well if not more than able to fend for itself. so long as those quizzers dont come with bazookas, grenades and attack helicopters, I bring a chair and gladly sit and wait for the eventful event.
@chempo
Nobody is saying science is absolute. The mere concept of absolutism in science is a contradiction because science is always open to new discovered understanding of natural phenomena.
Knowledge might be both subjective and relative but truth is not. There is such thing as the truth and it is the truth whether you like it or not.
Para one I agree.
Para two is a problem.
Logical truth is not an issue. 1+1=2, that kind of situation the truth is on solid ground.
Analytical truth is not a problem. It is a matter of semantics. There is a subject-predicate judgement to be made. If the semantics are correct, than the claim is true. Eg All bachelors are unmarried men.
But truth is seldom black and white. I see something as red, and so do you. But how do you know your red is my red?
Aristotle said “To say of what is that it is, or of what is not that it is not, is true.”<
Basically he meant what corresponds to the facts, is true.
So therein lies the problem. Is there an absolute explanation of facts that corresponds to the statement. Facts are the individual’s sincere beliefs about the case, what he/she thinks to be true. What people believe what they select and conceptualise the facts.
Like NH’s affirmation of the consequent …
chempo’s scientism vs. the scientific method…
And Olympic sport climbing (the Lead wall)…
And Micha’s skin in the game…
all related really.
The governor of Florida just said to Biden why don’t you handle the border and we’ll let our parents decide whether their kids can mask or not! Handle the federal/national issues and we’ll handle the state and local.
While the press here is busy wagging its finger at TX and Florida, and other Trump states, they fail to explain what exactly or how exactly the manufacturing of spike proteins help with COVID19 in the short term, but also how it affects the bodies immune system in the long term.
Explain the science.
Every anti vaxxer interview on TV is talking past the press interviewer, wherein the press folks just wanna get gotcha memes to say these backward folk don’t get it; when in fact, the Trump folk are simply hedging their bets, given the reality of information in web 2.0 Joe’s described above.
NH’s causation vs. correlation is at the heart of the anti-vaxx movement, and that Moderna and Pfizer ‘s mRNA spike protein maker is not really vaccination any longer but genetic engineering. The media has not done a good job explaining this, nor the scientific community.
Which leads us to chemp’s scientism, treating science as religion ie. faith base (like economics) by not entertaining the minority theories and reports.
The ascent like the Lead wall is you get to one point above the other, hook up, then continue climbing. Well thats not happening.
I recently just got my 1st Moderna dose, I get the 2nd a month after. So like Micha I got skin in the game now, sure short term is I don’t go to the hospital (proof: all hospitalized now are not vaccinated); but long term I really wanna know what good my cells manufacturing of COVID19 spike proteins will do me in the long run, given my understanding of Darwin’s theory and social Darwinism,
remember I’m also cheering for COVID19, but I myself don’t want COVID19 to best me. Though I want that 8 billion count to go down, and frankly I wonder why the lib media and Dems are giving two hoots, when they should be celebrating this 3rd spike in infections because Trump country is decimated.
Crucify Cuomo by the way. No 2024 for him! LOL! Chris Cuomo’s CNN segment is so weird now. The Matt Lauer playbook didn’t work, Chris! but i digress…
My point here, is alleviate the long term effects. clarify causation/correlations now, that’s how you get more vaccinated and take more precautions. Keep building the case for these new mRNA “vaccines”, the missing anchors which allow us to clip our hooks/carabiners are not there (or require too much research, and all the censorship don’t help neither!)
I’m assuming now that everyone here has skin in the game, we’ve all got the jab (maybe except for chempo still). So my question, after COVID19 if you guys are still around, what will happen to our “vaccines” inside us?
This isn’t the Theory of Evolution any more this is man-made evolution (or devolution). How will this affect us long term , provided we survive COVID?
“The media has not done a good job explaining this.” More people need doctorates in googling because the information is available. I’d also observe that people ‘talking past one another’ is not a media failing, but a failing of our modern intellectual emotionalism and laziness. Defense of wrong information is an intellectual achievement, perhaps admirable, but when it’s killing kids, maybe we ought not do so much admiring.
Granted not everything’s available in Google, Joe. Medical journals for instance require membership, but then you ask if print media or otherwise have covered it, like this one:
https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077
Abstract
We have developed an efficient and reproducible method for RNA transfection, using a synthetic cationic lipid, N-[1-(2,3-dioleyloxy)propyl]-N,N,N-trimethylammonium chloride (DOTMA), incorporated into a liposome (lipofectin). Transfection of 10 ng to 5 micrograms of Photinus pyralis luciferase mRNA synthesized in vitro into NIH 3T3 mouse cells yields a linear response of luciferase activity. The procedure can be used to efficiently transfect RNA into human, rat, mouse, Xenopus, and Drosophila cells. Using the RNA/lipofectin transfection procedure, we have analyzed the role of capping and beta-globin 5′ and 3′ untranslated sequences on the translation efficiency of luciferase RNA synthesized in vitro. Following transfection of NIH 3T3 cells, capped mRNAs with beta-globin untranslated sequences produced at least 1000-fold more luciferase protein than mRNAs lacking these elements.
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But you can start from scratch Googling the above available info. And nope “the information is available” is not so. Sure, there’s info on the past year or so of mRNA vaccine now, but going forward theres still a lot of unknowns.
Thus, for folks hedging their bets. Theirs is as valid as yours, killing babies isn’t probably their intent. 😉
“Sure, there’s info on the past year or so of mRNA vaccine now, but going forward theres still a lot of unknowns.”
LCX,
What have you known/learned about Robert Malone regarding mRNA?
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/247/4949/1465
Abstract
RNA and DNA expression vectors containing genes for chloramphenicol acetyltransferase, luciferase, and β-galactosidase were separately injected into mouse skeletal muscle in vivo. Protein expression was readily detected in all cases, and no special delivery system was required for these effects. The extent of expression from both the RNA and DNA constructs was comparable to that obtained from fibroblasts transfected in vitro under optimal conditions. In situ cytochemical staining for β-galactosidase activity was localized to muscle cells following injection of the β-galactosidase DNA vector. After injection of the DNA luciferase expression vector, luciferase activity was present in the muscle for at least 2 months.
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Here’s another one.
The statistics will show the results, no matter the intent. Right now, the unvaccinated are being led to the slaughter, kids among them. Seems like bad parenting to me.
There is enough information ‘out there’ for people to make an informed decision, versus an inflamed decision.
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1423432912754593795?s=21
Read the thread, too.
“Right now, the unvaccinated are being led to the slaughter, kids among them. “
We can diverge, we can also converge.
I agree the unvaccinated are the problem; so what Biden can do is issue an executive order, allowing all hospitals to discriminate with extreme prejudice anyone not vaccinated (people who have opted , given all the info already disseminated regardless of individual worries valid or not),
giving hospital carte blanche to exercise this principle,
… meaning unvaccinated.
Schools and other businesses too.
That’s the trend line with crazies screaming at him about their freedoms and states suing for the right to kill their own.
All those vaccinated are inputted county by county, and I believe nationally inputted into CDC too, because my “passport” says CDC on it, but Kaiser logged into an LA county website to input my name and address and phone number and what vaccine (Moderna).
So hospitals can know vaccine status; as well as schools and other businesses.
This way priority patients who are vaccinated, and kids 16 yrs below, can have priority equipment, while unvaccinated can just recuperate in the basement or lawn or the cafeteria of a hospital.
This is the most fair. IMHO.
Works for me.
Very good Lance
The admin believed in the science and closed the Canadian border.
Looks like the science is true in the norther border, but not the southern border?
chemp,
I’m pretty sure both borders are closed, its just that no one from Canada is crossing illegally. Unless there’s illegal Inuit caravans from up north too, demanding asylum into the US.
@chempo
You can’t weasel out truth in a spectrograph. That’s the province of post-modernist bullshit.
Truth is diificult to determine couched in hyper falutin;
chempo,
What you’re doing in your red shifting example is viewing truth from a subjective position. And that, essentially, is where your problem starts. You are channeling the post modern bunkolery of relativism.
If I may jump in on “truth,” …
I have just found something – minutes ago – that Richard Wurmbrand (whom I have quoted many times here at TSoH because, IMO, he was worth quoting) had written that I think is NOT true.
“With God In Solitary Confinement”
Richard Wurmbrand
Copyright 1969
x-
…
I sometimes have the feeling that you come to us who suffer,
not in order to comfort us, but to draw comfort from us. You
called the Holy Spirit “the Comforter”. Why, then, did the
page 173 With God in Solitary Confinement
Comforter have to descend on you at your baptism? Were
you – are you – in great need of comfort?
Most of the great mystics have experienced the dark night of
the soul, when they felt terribly alone, without you. St.
Gertrude prayed: “You are I and I am you.” If this is true of
mystics, then the dark night through which they passed was
only a mirror of the dark night in your own soul. You, who
have been tempted like us in all things, must have known
spiritual dryness, too.
-x
From the very, very little I know and with all the respect I can give Richard, I must say that this is NOT true:
“You called the Holy Spirit “the Comforter”.
Could I be wrong?
Of course, I could even be VERY, VERY WRONG.
But am I?
What is the truth?
“What is the truth?”
Not an easy question to answer?
I am sure the guy who came up with this (see below) would have no problem
answering the question … with certitude.
Paraphrasing the guy on certain numbers:
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The phrases,
“the third day”
and
“the seventh day”
both appear
EXACTLY
52 times in
48 verses
in the word of God.
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Numerology? Coincidence?
Timely?
Published yesterday, August 5th.
https://magilas.me/timely
“The Millennial Rest”
848 views
Numerology.
Try I-Ching.
Works better.
Thks. I get you now.
But that is precisely my point.
Some time back I blogged on the Dictatorship of Relativism in response to someone who dumb down on the ignorance of those who follow dogmas. The gist of my point was knowledge came off the religious dogmas in the Judeo Christian world. The church was the crucible of knowledge, they shared their knowledge, something they still do to this day with thousands of schools built by them. And the societal problems in US, and EU to a lesser extent, was seen by Pope Benedict XVI who in his last homily as Cardinal Ratzinger in 2005, warned of the ‘dictatorship of relativism’.
Chemrock … to Micha(?):
“The church was the crucible of knowledge …”
Chemrock, what/which do you mean by “the church”?
chemp,
But at the height of the Catholic church’s power they were responsible for dogmatism, they cleaned up thoroughly.
Then the Anglican church, along with Puritans, teamed up to write the KJV, non-Catholic power in the US. less top down, more grassroots, why you have Pentacostals in Appalachia, now popular in Latin America (more fun, whimsical really).
From that Mormons and Evangelicals cornered the gov’t , Mormon diplomats, etc. and Evangelical lawyers. All about fighting relativism with their own dogma, Christian specifically, American protestant.
So this relativism serves to balance out the inevitable dogmaticism, absolutism, that Jesus saves. All goes back to Spinoza, against the Anglicans, against the Catholics, against the Calvinists, against his own Jewish religion, ensuring relativism is here to stay,
because relativism in the end is better than absolutism. Again crowd source, but a chain is only as strong as its weakest, thus every individual has to think for themselves. Which brings us to Joe’s blog.
American democracy is built on relativism, but it is collected at vote time to be an absolute. Simplifying it as an either-or moral choice is not relativism, interestingly enough. I’m a contextualist myself, fluid enough to be either as the situation requires. If I ran a business, employees could have the choice of whether they wanted to be vaccinated or not work for me. They can hold onto their relativism somewhere else.
Let me restate. To say there is a moral distinction between relativism and absolutism is absolutism.
@ i7Sharp
Crucible — I meant to say EU in the dark ages, the Church contributed much to the renaissance. The Church not as the institution, but the various elders from the priesthood. Many were learned men.
Many learned men pre Christianity too, chemp. Arguably, if it wasn’t for the Greeks, we’d all still be picking our noses.
It took St. Thomas Aquinas 10 centuries or so after Christianity became state religion to say Hey folks non-Catholics could also possess knowledge.
His was basically, about relativism. And I agree with Joe, it shouldn’t be either or but my point was relativism serves as counter balance to our natural proclivity to absolutism.
Always cool when we reach agreement.
Micha
Good example of post modern bunkolery of relativism.
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Micha
Good example of post modern bunkolery of relativism.
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https://rumble.com/vkt30t-flashback-this-is-what-dems-thought-about-the-vaccine-under-trump.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR15nEZauPLKmO04f_XWaMF2LgaiCR2sT_YStveBCeuqbcLvEjRU6A63LUE
That’s cheap-shot, fallacious propaganda, compiling instants in time, in a context and timeline not presented, to divert the argument from today’s issues, which are real. It’s trash talk, not intellectual work and, yes, both sides do it. I hate the stuff. Makes my skin crawl and my blood curdle. Makes us look like small-minded children throwing hissy-fits because we’ve spent too much time on social media and have lost the ability to converse.
https://rumble.com/embed/vhrwal/?pub=4
chemp,
The gist I gathered was simply that when it comes to vaccines Harris doesn’t trust Trump. I wouldn’t either. But I can say with a straight face that I also don’t trust Harris. Hence why I’m like the state of Missouri, show me.
But between Harris and Trump, I’d trust Harris more. Between Bernie and Harris, Bernie. Bernie and AOC, AOC cuz she’s hot.
Fastforward 1 year or so, and one year’s worth of evidence is in. So the trust factor will have improved. Most experts , more studies, etc. Having already gotten the Moderna vaccine, the past studies have been convincing for me, future studies remain to be seen.
As to Joe’s blood curdling, why? There was actual hesitation last year, as months past, more evidence came in. Liberals are known to take in new info and incorporate them, conservatives by definition hesitate at newer stuff.
Less info means both libs and conservatives hesitate.
Take for instance aphantasia and synesthesia , absence of the ability to visualize; and the state of having your senses merge, 2, to 3, to 4. I can’t imagine getting my blood curdle from reading words. That requires you to read the words and actually have some sort of merging of senses, sight to touch maybe, i dunno.
Visceral.
This afternoon I was watching an interview by a female CNN anchor and Gov. Cuomo’s attorney, and the anchor was visibly perturb when describing what was reported by the female state trooper, saying Cuomo touched her back then towards her holster near her belt, etc.
And you can see the CNN anchor imagining it almost personifying it, and the female attorney, said Okay I understand that that was what ‘s in the report, but we’ll need to get the context of it , basically saying we’ll hear Cuomo’s side of it soon.
Its not harassment was what the attorney was saying, but the CNN anchor kept asking how was it not, having imagined it, in a sense the CNN anchor’s blood was curdling. While the attorney kept saying we’ll need my client’s side of the story.
And promised her client would do a press conference soon. So I’m thinking maybe all this phantasia is the cause of all this chaos, and if we just see the world like people with aphantasia, we’d be better off. At least in discussions, interactions.
My blood curdling is not over the topic of vaccines, but the style of compiling video clips out of context as a form of reasoning. It’s dirrrrrty, and anyone can abuse any public official by digging up old clips and slapping them together maliciously. Or, failing to find them, making something up and attaching it to a three stooges meme.
On the other hand, autistics think in pictures (but w/out emotions). So I doubt Temple ‘s blood would curdle, either way.
But this notion of one’s blood curdling is interesting as it pertains to the current blog.
Knowledge should raise us up. The whole political debate, which I’m pretty good at on Twitter, is sleazy attack trolling. It’s not journalism, it’s not science, it’s whack-a-mole tabloidian noise aiming for top-of-mind awareness because today’s minds seldom get beyond that thin upper crust.
I guess what I’m saying Joe if its just so easy to whack, like chemp’s other quip on southern border, the videos above were of last year less info known, so why just not whack it.
I can see if you were in a heated debate and the other side was winning or your arguments are found wanting, then blood curdles, I personally would find it satisfying to get such an easy whack, thus
diminishing chempo’s jiva, forcing him to go back to the drawing board. In a friendly productive match of course w/out malice but with fun. That’s the stuff that raises knowledge IMHO.
Though I must admit my blood curdles when i7sharp posts shortened links. Which I never click on.
Here’s more on aphantasia,
“People with aphantasia – that is, the inability to visualise mental images – are harder to spook with scary stories, a new UNSW Sydney study shows.
The study, published today in Proceedings of the Royal Society B, tested how aphantasic people reacted to reading distressing scenarios, like being chased by a shark, falling off a cliff, or being in a plane that’s about to crash.
The researchers were able to physically measure each participant’s fear response by monitoring changing skin conductivity levels – in other words, how much the story made a person sweat. This type of test is commonly used in psychology research to measure the body’s physical expression of emotion.
According to the findings, scary stories lost their fear factor when the readers couldn’t visually imagine the scene – suggesting imagery may have a closer link to emotions than scientists previously thought.
“We found the strongest evidence yet that mental imagery plays a key role in linking thoughts and emotions,” says Professor Joel Pearson, senior author on the paper and Director of UNSW Science’s Future Minds Lab.”
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2021.0267
I’m not saying its whats happening here, only that it may be relevant and related to the topic at hand.
@LCX, You have a dedication I lack, having engaged often with people who have absolutely no interest in knowledge, but possess a burning, emotionally fueled need for conquest. I tire easily and will be happy when more people figure out how to inject compassion, curiosity, respect, and sense into the dialogue, ala Edgar.
Which begs the question…
Do aphantasiacs suffer from depression and/or anxiety— looping of past memories; or looping of future worries. All imagery-based experiences.
@LCX
“Though I must admit my blood curdles when i7sharp posts shortened links. Which I never click on.”
I could have shortened this (or made it ma-iksi):
I was able to make the most out of YahooGroups sites with the use of “jm.p” – to help the user “jump” from zero … to infinity … and beyond!!!
A “sharp” way, if you will, to maximize use of a 2000-character limit for a site’s “Description.”
I am a believer in IKSI.
“I am a believer in IKSI.”
IKSI – Integrated Keep Short Initiative
I don’t think the science has changed in a matter of few months. The only thing that has changed is the occupant in the White House, and I don’t mean the butler.
You’re missing the point, chemp, its not about the science, its about the coverage and how many people have been convinced.
1st wave of COVID19 no vaccines;
2nd wave of COVID19 some vaccines;
3rd wave , now vaccines aplenty, plus the knowledge that 99% of those needing ER/ICU care are those not vaccinated.
So between now and then, there’s more evidence from the studies and anecdotal who’s being hospitalize to generate changes of opinion, thus
nullifying your videos from last year. So Joe’s right your playing loose again with your arguments, reaching from a different time trying to apply it now, the proof is in the hospitalizations now.
I’m sure you can verify it yourself in Singapore, simply call a hospital or two. Unvaccinated.
@Micha
“… science is always open to new discovered understanding of natural phenomena”
Everything that has been discovered had been pre-existing already, true?
“Knowledge might be both subjective and relative but truth is not. There is such thing as the truth and it is the truth whether you like it or not.”
What is truth?
“The truth shall set you free.”
“The truth shall make you free.”
Which is true?
Plato’s Cave in the Philippines is air-conditioned and Fernando Poe is shown all day long, so why leave?
Haha
Platos cave = kill the enlightened believe in the shadows.
I agree that Socrates & Plato have thought about this problem of absolute certitude. I will add even the myth of Sisyphus points to this difficulty (the rolling stone up then down .is his punishment for vitiating the will of the gods). In our Covid19 case, it will take work & humility to know when to stop vitiating our observation & reasoning process at every turn in order to make a rational decision and course of action. It is like the voting process, one man’s vote is EQUAL to another’s – information is equal to no-information.is equal to disinformation. 😦
Love the voting example.
YES.
P > Q does not imply Q > P. Logic 101.
If AA is human, AA dies. With that, the following is not valid: AA dies then AA is human — AA maybe Biden’s dog Champ.
But P > Q implies ~ P > ~ Q (Not P > Not Q)
If AA is human, AA dies.
AA does not die, AA is not human
It is remarkable that leaders and government officials especially the spokespersons, not only in the PH, use this basic logical fallacy — affirming the consequent.
Disregarding other reasons, nefarious or otherwise, let us consider this:
Generals are trained as good (military) managers, so they are good at managing (military) work. I need good work managers so I hire Generals.
The fallacious logic here of course, aside from the fallacy of Affirming the Consequent is that the subject of work with which Generals are supposedly trained and good at is on military matters.
Mr. Herrera, or anyone who wishes to explain to me. What is the logical fallacy of “affirming the consequent”?
An example will help greatly. Especially one that involves the current presidential spokesman, Sec. Roque, if it is he you might be referring to.
I may not be getting your question right, but I explained the fallacy of Affirming the Consequent (ATC) in my starting thread above:
NHerrera says:
August 5, 2021 at 3:13 pm
Let me try that again.
AA is human. AA dies (eventually). The first statement is the Prior. The second statement is the Consequent. Symbolically, If P (prior) then C (consequent), or more symbolically P > C. Meaning P implies C.
Though our statement above is true, it does not follow that
C > P meaning the Consequent implies the Prior. In our case AA dies does not imply that AA is human, because as I used above as an example, AA may as well be Biden’s dog Champ.
That is though, P > C is given, it is logically fallacious to say that that C > P. That is the fallacy of Affirming the Consequent.
I am not a wordsmith as good as JoeAm and others here in TSH. I can claim though to be reasonably good at Mathematics and some symbolic logic.
Perhaps the other contributors here can help further.
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Wiki says.
Affirming the consequent, sometimes called converse error, fallacy of the converse, or confusion of necessity and sufficiency, is a formal fallacy of taking a true conditional statement (e.g., “If the lamp were broken, then the room would be dark,”) and invalidly inferring its converse (“The room is dark, so the lamp is broken,”) even though the converse may not be true. This arises when a consequent (“the room would be dark”) has more than one other possible antecedent (for example, “the lamp is not plugged in” or “the lamp is in working order, but is switched off”).
Exactly!
Thank you Sir. Please do not apologize for the prose. The math suffices and is even clearer. It is entirely my fault since I tried to understand the verbiage before the logic.
I look forward to reading more from you sir.
Vaccinr hesitancy is one of the stumbling blocks to herd immunity.
We can not achieve herd immumity because of vaccine hesitancy is fallacious because it is a supply problem and rich countries may hoard or ball hog the supply for booster shots to protect their own leaving poorer or unluckier or ball dropping nation’s citizens to scramble for vaccines.
karl,
The priors are:
– vaccine hesitancy
– inadequate supply
– inadequate delivery to vaccination stations
– inadequate number and locations of stations relative to recipients
– inadequate HCW administration to the arms
– etc.
In the case of the US vaccine hesitancy weighs the most.
Thanks to Trump and cohorts, in the case of the US, I may add.
That was my attempt of an example for the fallacy of affirming the consequent btw. thanks for reinforcing it.
yes it is case to case or per country basis
You are correct of course in saying that non-achievement of herd immunity is not due to vaccine hesitancy alone.
This is what happened as a result.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1469648/chr-asks-govt-to-revisit-rules-on-covid-19-vaccination-amid-panic-and-looming-lockdown
It is heartbreaking to see on TV people massing in places they thought they can get vaccination today before the ECQ lockdown tomorrow — urged on by supposed fake news that they can’t get ECQ aid if they are not vaccinated. Those are superspreader events.
So heart breaking.
Thanks Karl. Although I’ve met a frustrating number of people, from househelp to doctors, who I advised to start rounding up their titles, papers and memorial plans since they were incredibly stubborn and feared vaccines.
Salamat uli, Mr. Garcia and Mr. Herrera.
You are welcome Mr. Dela Paz
karl, here is a nice statistical chart showing the level of vaccine hesitancy against US states ranging from those that voted heavily for Biden to those that voted heavily for Trump — blue states against red states. The correlation is clear.
Thanks NH,
On twitter vaccine hesitancy is a subject I will stay away from for now, because of : #thereisnovaccinehesitancyinthephilippines
In the US, back to masks at least they do not have people there telling them to wear face shields.
For further info we will just refer to LCX and Joe’s discussion.
As one of the last old outs, I can report that when I did get my vaccine shot last week, at a Kaiser clinic (I am not a Kaiser member, just though after research Kaiser was the most meticulous in administering and keeping track of said vaccine side effects, at least here in Socal),
there were only 5 walk ins that day, me included. So essentially you have the vaccinated, me (the ‘we’ll see how it goes’ folks, in this case 99.99% of those hospitalized were non-vaccinated, thus proof) ; then you got the people who are “never vaccinate”s.
Theres also an element of biological warfare I noticed either conscious or not, in that most media coverage of those hospitalized since last year were old, sick and/or non-White. so making White, young and healthy say we’ll take our chances,
those you die are gonna die anyways within a year or so.
From Darwinian stance, not really social Darwinism, but fittest survival theory trans mutation and such, those anti-vaxxers are actually correct, or have valid strategies, the irony is most of these anti-vaxxers tend to have sick kids, NH’s affirming the consequent, ie. my kids autistic or sick in general , its the vaccine’s fault. or radio waves, or the weather, or the Devil. whatever.
As the “on the fence” sitter here, I’ll do what’s best for me; but be open to less popular views in all this, doubting more the media and science (not the process, but faith based science).
Do forks stick to your magnetized forehead now? Do the little microchips itch in your bloodstream?
Nope but I did have heart palpitations, something that only happened to me once when I downed like 3 Redbulls at once. A week or so before my initial jab I had gotten stung by a bee, no worries I ‘m not allergic, but that second night after the jab, my bee sting became swollen again and really itchy.
Regular vaccines don’t do that, your cells making spike proteins apparently do. Your cells weren’t designed to make anything else but your own stuff, Joe. Short term I think is covered pretty well, its the long term. And all this scientism going forward won’t help, I assure you. Talk of killing kids neither. 😉
One worrying development indicates the possibility of leaky vac. Imperfect, or leaky vac, causes virulent evolution of a virus into more dangerous forms. The consequence is the vaccinated population kills the unvaccinated. Those vaccinated cause new and more dangerous variants, but since they have been vaccinated, they have have a better chance of surviving. The more dangerous virus now presents a higher risk for the unvac.
Scientists knew about this from their experience with chickens.
Virus being virus, they can mutate which ever way. its evolution. So,
like how a slime mold extends and expands, virus can form variants similarly. but it can’t mutate too successfully because killing hosts won’t allow it to extend.
chemp, so what you’re proposing is opposite to my cheering on of the COVID19 virus, because now it’ll infect the less numerous of the population. Unvaccinated.
But if we follow your intelligent design theory, then the virus will simply recognize that the good chomping isn’t in the unvaccinated but the vaccinated, so it ‘ll simply mutate to favor the vaccinated. More of them.
I’m no intelligent design proponent, but from quantum mechanics I do believe that our consciousness lies deep within, thus a tree or a rock is as equally conscious as I; because its not about molecules but Fermions and Bosons, or even smaller. Deeper.
My point, the virus can evolve which ever way, to fully account for our policies, medical and political. Thus deGrowth, deGlobalize makes plenty of sense. The variants can all be stopped in its tracks geographically.
As a disciple of Carlos Castaneda, in the great outdoors, I walk with my fists cupped toward the ground, to pull up the energies to be found there.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/antibodies-sinovacs-covid-19-shot-fade-after-about-6-months-booster-helps-study-2021-07-26/
I got vacinated with Sinovac.
Problem 1- Government has no intention of stopping ordering sinovac.
Problem 2- WHO suggests a halt to booster shots until most countries get enough vaccines
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/antibodies-sinovacs-covid-19-shot-fade-after-about-6-months-booster-helps-study-2021-07-26/
Problem 2 seems fair, but we are in a direction where we need those booster shots, especially those like me who got sinovac jabs.
I’m not familiar with Sinovac, is it like Johnson & Johnson here then, not mRNA, karl?
Better known as Coronavac. Yes not mRna kind of an old school vaccine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoronaVac
CoronaVac, also known as the Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine,[1] is an inactivated virus COVID-19 vaccine developed by the Chinese company Sinovac Biotech.[2] It was Phase III clinical trialled in Brazil,[3] Chile,[4] Indonesia,[5] the Philippines,[6] and Turkey[7] and relies on traditional technology similar to BBIBP-CorV and Covaxin, other inactivated-virus COVID-19 vaccines.[8] CoronaVac does not need to be frozen and both the final product and the raw material for formulating CoronaVac can be transported refrigerated at 2–8 °C (36–46 °F), temperatures at which flu vaccines are kept.[9]
more here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55212787
tama po, sinovac is made of dead covid virus.
I will never take mRNA no matter what. I will be the last man standing with no spiked proteins in my body. Imagine 3 doses of that in your body.
If no choice, I will take Sinovac. Karl, was it by choice you had Sinovac?
In Singapore, the Pandemic Access Route is allowed for mRNA vacs. This means used in all hospitals, free of charge. Vac is reaching a plateau. Govie needs to cajole people to get the jabs.
Sinovac is allowed via Special Access Route — means only at private clinics. Means we pay for the jabs. Reports are out there are long queues..
Most likely I will wait for Novavax which has completed their 3rd clinical trials in UK and US. 96+% efficacy against original SAR-cov2, 90+% efficacy against Alpha variant. (Delta variant unknown, no info). Expected to have it in Singapore end of this year. This is non-mRNA. In US, trials completed 2 months ago. Waiting for FDA approval. I’m guessing they need green light from Fauci and Bill Gates.
Actually it was not by choice, that is why I am waiting if the booster can be a different brand, if not then I have to take a Sinovac booster once they allow it,
I guess the stocks during that time in our vaccination center was astra and sinovac, because my mom had astra the day before.
Maybe I was not allowed Astra because I take Aspirin and I read that Astra causes blood clots.
Re: I thought in Singapore they was discouraging Sinovac and counting them out, but I also read that the SG gov is finally recognizing it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/
Karl
SG Health Ministry take the cue from WHO. Sinovac arrived late after WHO gave the green light. But Sinovac is not pushed by the govt because certain local tests have not been carried out. That’s why people take it at private clinics only at our own expense.
Thanks for the details.
“I will never take mRNA no matter what….”
Re mRNA and someone who may know:
The last time I looked, the article about
Robert Malone
had been taken out of Wikipedia.
I don’t know what is the latest now.
Does the “latest” even matter now?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Robert+Malone%22+mRNA&t=newext&atb=v253-1&ia=web
Look again i7sharp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone
There’s a good chance Dr. Malone is just hating that he wasn’t the one to profit from all this mRNA stuff, thus blowing up what little worries he has into anti-vaxx worries,
but for me, and I share this with chempo, although I’m not too concerned with nanoparticles, given all the chemicals and plastics already inside our bodies on average; for me, its the fact that your cells aren’t suppose to make foreign stuff.
Evolution-wise, you’re playing God. usually that doesn’t go well.
chemp,
What’s your stance with nanoparticles in Novavax?
incidentally Congress wants to investigate OCTA in aid of election.
Sorry Lance this was supposed to be a reply to Sonny.
Is OCTA private or public, karl? I can’t tell from the news articles.
https://www.facebook.com/OCTAResearch/
They are private.
“I will never take mRNA no matter what.”
“Vac is reaching a plateau. Govie needs to cajole people to get the jabs.”
Chempo, I think there are points in time after careful analysis when one must eventually cross his/her Rubicon (choices):
A. No vaxx is foolish; death now or later is a choice;
B. Vaxx via mRNA has solid science behnd it; reasonable nbr of cases;
C. Vaxx via attenuated virus is proven as classic vaxx pathway;
D. Vaxx via J & J science is good; morally compromsed due to fetal stem cell connection;
E. Vaxx via Astrazeneca same as (D);
F. Vaxx via Sinovac not enough transparency; IMO;
G. Vaxx via Russo-vaxx not enough transparency; IMO;
H. Ivermectin Therapy: waiting for CDC OK on the new & improved Merck version;
I. Austriaco vaccine in development (promising):
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/31/21/filipino-priest-scientist-developing-yeast-based-vaccine-vs-covid-19
J. Other vaxx: there are other vaxx developers; we hope to hear about in the future;
Austriaco vaccine:
MANILA – A Filipino molecular biologist is developing a yeast-based vaccine against COVID-19 and its more contagious variants.
“We are developing 2 versions of the vaccine. One [is] against the original strain and we have just started the development of a vaccine alternative against the variants — the South African and the P.1 Brazilian variants. So, we will be testing both and we might just combine the 2,” Fr. Nicanor Austriaco of OCTA Research Team told ANC.
The Dominican priest, who teaches biology and theology at the Providence College in the US, said the genetically engineered yeast creates a spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 to trigger an immune response against the illness.
NOTE: Fr. Austriaco, O.P. holds a PhD in Molecular Biology from MIT.
Thanks for the information, sonny.
You’re most welcome, NH. (I like your last graphic on vaxx hesitancy among the states of US.).
@NH, LC, Karl, Irineo, everyone really:
Here he is being interviewed (in campus of Providence College):
Thanks, sonny!
I know there are also priests at CERN, do you know if there are too in Fermilab in your neighborhood. I really enjoy these religious and science convergence. But I think most pushing the bounds of physics and science do agree there’s something bigger out there, just not in the specific religious narratives.
Have you seen Silence, great movie; casting could’ve been better, now I wanna get a hold of the book.
Sinovac will need to make it to the US approval list if vaccinations are required to travel to the US. Or the same for other countries. OFWs are in that pickle. It’s a material consideration for me.
Yes it is material consideration.OFWS repatriated who had Sinovac could not just return to the US.
The Philippines must stop ordering Sinovac pending aproval, but that is not going to happen until the next admin when all the accountable must account and the voters must be accountable too.
For now, the DOH,DOST,etc must consider deciding stat on Mixing brands, since they do not want to adhere to the best practices, then they must do their own study.
The virology institute proposal this late in the game is nothing but lip service, or continuity talk for next elections.
But it is important to establish it now, so that we make our own vaccines.
Budget is not the only problem.
Also the brain drain issues, lack of qualified graduates, aging incumbents in the Virology microbiology and other necessary fields.
my understanding is that virology institute is trying to attract investors to fund its research. you are correct, this is late in the game and investors are shy and methink, the institute is better off pitching to big pharma firms and maybe, do collaboration with them. on its own, I seriously doubt if the institute will succeed in its undertaking. and our govt is only interested in opening yet another of bong go’s malasakit centers already there are 134 of such centers.
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The Philippines has very little thinking, as far as I can tell. Old or new. It has reacting, gaslighting, guessing, lying, or playing. Not thinking.
The Philippines does have one gentleman who understands. His name is Agerico de Villa.
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Does AdV (Agerico de Villa) believe the Philippines is anti-knowledge?
In any case, is there a definition of “knowledge” and/or “anti-knowledge” TSoH can go by?
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/011/cuddy/evolution.htm
“Evolution not only conveys no knowledge but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge.”
sharpie,
What your article link provides is a regurgitated (and discredited) claims of Intelligent Design. It reeks with fallacies and distortions, chief of which is the fallacy of incredulity. Just because we still haven’t yet figured out the mechanism for the origin of life doesn’t mean the Great Unmoved Hand did it.
Evolution is not so much pre-occupied with the origin of origins. Once primordial and fundamental life structures started rolling, evolution coherently defines every aspect of all species’ behavior and characteristics.
“the Great Unmoved Hand did it.”
Obviously,the Unmoved Hand was Xenu, Micha. Case closed!
Sino si Xenu?
Ang dakilang diktador ng kalawakan?
If I translate for LCX, the pun won’t be punny.
Who is Xenu?
The great dictator of the galaxy? — Google translate
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Basically, Xenu rounded up all the non-vaccinated in the galactic confederacy, and sent them to Earth and dumped into volcanoes. But their souls survived and now haunting us, probably the reason why most of us now are getting vaccinated.
I’d venture most are getting vaccinated because they read the statistics and are scared shitless, but they won’t condemn the stooges leading others off the cliff because, well, they have to justify themselves as something other than stupid.
It all goes back to clearing your thetans, Joe. 😉
Thetans? Is that another variant, Theta Variant?
This is the variant I’m scared of most, karl, because its anti-knowledge.
I defined it in the article through example but you can offer your own definition.
Arnold Schwarzenegger makes sense.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8GwVu3XIAoHM0m?format=jpg&name=large
I’m with Arnold. The terminator. The governor. The big man with a cigar. He’s been around.
Even the knowledgeable is not helped by the procedure. Hehe.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8HcE_uVoAAl0ik?format=jpg&name=medium
NH, the difficultly with over reliance on “experts” is that these guys also tend to get things wrong, re my Ecology Economics argument , argument with Joe re Bidens hacking for war policy, military/security experts and politicians, etc. etc.
I was a big fan of House MD, and its differentials (the process of diagnosis), House by the way was a reinterpretation of Sherlock Holmes.
This show Netflix title Diagnosis is from the actual MD who was consultant to House MD, & describes the differential process succinctly ,
that usually your diagnosis is limited to the MDs in the room attempting to solve your medical problem. Her project with the NYTimes was simply expanding this differential process worldwide, essentially crowd sourcing.
So patients with the same issues chime in, also Med students, and Google Phds, she said her favourite contributors she noticed giving relevant but out of box diagnosis were veterinarians.
I tend to agree with her, if I wanted to start body building, I’m not just gonna look up Arnold, I’ll look up other experts in the field, and non experts, and even non body builders. So in a lot of ways Arnold is wrong.
“All seven episodes of the first season introduce patients facing serious, debilitating health issues, from brain inflammation to frequent seizures to an inability to eat or drink without vomiting. In her columns, Sanders often attempts to crowdsource an answer to the most vexing illnesses she encounters. What the Netflix series shows us is what happens after that call is put out into the world: the theories that pour in from other doctors, researchers, and people who have dealt with similar complications, as well as what the patients opt to do with that information. While they attempt to sleuth out a solution, viewers try to put the puzzle pieces together, too. The experience of watching Diagnosis is almost the inverse of watching true crime. Instead of seeking an explanation as to why a person died, you consider the evidence that will lead to a treatment that keeps a person alive and thriving.
Diagnosis, the new Netflix docuseries based on the New York Times Magazine column of the same name, is, at its essence, a medical mystery show. But it’s also much more than that.
Presided over by Dr. Lisa Sanders, the Yale University School of Medicine clinician who writes the aforementioned column, Diagnosis is also an emotional, nonfictional drama that highlights the complexities of medical science, the flaws in the American health-care system, and the promise of both modern medicine and technology’s capacity to connect patients with other people around the globe who recognize symptoms that may seem rarer than they actually are.”
https://www.vulture.com/2019/08/diagnosis-netflix-review.html
Nobody is perfect, if it is not a fatal error then there will be no body.
karl, I’m just saying Arnold is wrong. With web 2.0 , you don’t have to just rely on Arnold, or say Fauci. There are tons of experts and non-experts that add data and analysis, available at your finger tips.
But sonny, is correct; eventually you as individual will have to make a decision; and gov’ts and groups of individuals as well.
So my point in Joe’s blog re Truth and Knowledge. Strive to be your own decider, sure you live in a society so some stuff will be decide for you. But push back where you can always, that’s not Arnold’s advise though, he’s saying be good sheeple.
My end decision to get the jab I guess laid in two things, that unvaccinated people were flooding the ERs (and yes, this is another spike for sure in Socal); and the possibility of me sneezing on a nurse who has 3 kids because I wanted to play wait and see.
Skepticism shouldn’t affect others negatively.
Thus, the moral thing to do is to protect doctors and nurses from the unvaccinated. Allow them their freedom; only not in the hospitals where they will be infecting staff and taking up space all because they didn’t wanna vaccinate.
Triage them out.
Like two people said here avoid regurgitating. Wisdom of the crowds may not always work.
(I agree)
But on freedom and triage.
You can not vaccinate sick people, you are most of the time triaged out even if you want to be vaccinated .
even when entering an establishment you are asked to declare in a peace of paper or through QR code, if you had symptoms of this and that and if your body temp is too high, you would not ne allowed to enter.
“Wisdom of the crowds may not always work.”
In the case of mRNA, karl, wisdom of crowds can work by letting all side effects come to light, so as to better assess the efficacy plus the the danger of said technology.
Austriaco vaccine and Novavax seem similar to me. If mRNA is proven superior then fine, but we’ve not studied the long term effects yet, and with mRNA seems like the push into vaccinating is prioritized over the examination of mRNA tech, its kinda like CRSPR.
Oh yeah, the other thing I ‘m noticing aside from heart stuff and that bee sting, is night sweats. It could be weather or diet, sure. But the only variable that’s changed is the vaccine. i’ll agree that its COVID19 effective so far based on ER intake,
but with all the heart, sweats, etc. Am i gonna come out of this mRNA experiment a mutant like X-men or will my head shrink , and this is where wisdom of the crowds come in, sharing of experiences.
Then assessment, and answers, again that Netflix show “Diagnosis” is a good example, a bunch of doctors and scientists don’t know, or know little, but you expand your parameters, cast a wider net, wisdom of crowd, you get more answers.
As sharpie says (that only he knows if no one bother to ask): KNY Know Nothing Yet.
Well we aint seen nothin yet.
Nano particles. Yup it is part of our diet and part of our drinking water.
Another part of our circle of life are forever chemicals, prozac,recreational drugs, actually almost everything we ingested and excreted, we eat and drink again somehow.
@Karl
“As sharpie says (that only he knows if no one bother to ask): KNY Know Nothing Yet.
Well we aint seen nothin yet.”
Thanks, Karl. A little clarification is in order.
It is “i7sharp” – as you know.
“i(want/aim/try/love to be)sharp but …
As for “kny,”
It’s short for “know nothing yet” – as taken from
1 Corinthians 8:2
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“And if any man think that he knoweth any thing,
he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”
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As often the case, I have about fifty plain-text files open at the same time for quick access: all the works of Shakespeare in one file, list of 42,000 barangays, Wurmbrand books, the Bible, …
I forget the verse citation but a search for “kny” takes me to the right verse in split second.
To get an idea of how many times Shakespeare wrote “must needs” takes me a bit longer – like thirty seconds.
I can donate pertinent files to, say, DepEd (Department of Education) and they can do the same thing within minutes – from the installation of the files and the necessary software to actually finding out what I just told you.
i simply make the most of what very, very little I know.
And always seek comfort from the Comforter, the Holy Ghost.
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https://magilas.me/Comforter
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Must needs..I just read that part the other day no needs to explains further.
Thanks for the KNY walk through though.
This balancing of individual rights and social good is what is being tested right now. Some are unable to let others make their choices. When the scientists say kids will die, we ought to listen to them.
For PH, there is no clear plan for vaccinating kids.Sad
There are discussions but there are a lot of adults yet to go.
Yes, with 10 % of pop
60 to 70 percent to go before reaching target and many adults in that remaining 60 to 70
As of 2015
Ages 15 below represents 31 percent of the population
methink, social good trumps over individual rights, and if govt is serious about for ‘the good of all stuff’, govt ought to pass law as such. then no one can be above the law. as in collectivism, people foregoing individual rights and freedom for relative safety of society as a whole.
Agree.
I agree with you but only for a properly tested and proven vac, NEVER for an experimental vac. How can you legislate when there is’nt even data for due diligence risk-benefits analysis. Legislation comes with Equity. Someone forced to vac, and he dies. What is the redress?
before vaccines can be proven to be effective, they undergo periods of trials and series of research, and respondents may die during trials. it happens, and respondent’s families are compensated as part of the contract signed beforehand.
thanks to those brave trial participants, their sacrifices and efforts that we now have safe vaccines, to a point.
I participated in medical trials, having met criteria. it’s very well regulated, strictly monitored and participants are well looked after. we have our vitals taken ( blood pressure, temperature, urine test, etc.) each time we report, and taken as well each we depart.
blood tests are done regularly on us and results are studied to the hilt. we have food in the vicinity, measured and healthy foods, even our exercise is prescribed. we have checklist to be completed by us before going to be bed and then on waking up.
I’ve met friends at trials.
Lance CPL. Thanks for your views issuing from my links. This I can say, not in defense of Arnold. He can very well defend himself with his powerful “biceps.” 🙂
Arnold, just like you, made his own assessment and he came out with that crisp statement. You have yours. And so has a lot of intelligent people here in TSH. That is, taking to heart what you have prescribed and I am sure shared by critical and intelligent minds at TSH — that each of us do whatever we have to do in assessment and decide for ourselves what to believe or what action to take.
One thing I believe is still valid is that a preponderance of evidence from a preponderance of experts is generally superior to one or two contrary experts/ evidence — provided that from the best of one’s own knowledge and skills the experts’ evidence or opinion has been assessed fairly by the individual. Lacking that depth of knowledge or skills, that you possess — afterall not everyone is a PhD in Googling, it is not incorrect for the individual to depend on the preponderance of experts. That is the point I believe Arnold “biceps” Schwarzenegger tried to convey. In that crisp statement, he could not give all the nuances that you for example give in discussions here.
Hey, Lance, I am with you. But I am with Arnold too.
FWIW, NH, Arnold did turn out to be a pretty good governor of California. Well balanced politically. And I’m pretty sure that you’re correct there’s nuance in Arnold’s he’s usually not given credit for.
But over here, I dunno in the Philippines, the media is really taking a dump on anti-vaxxers. Although, anti-vaxxers are standing their ground too. mRNA is something, people should be wary of is the point; if theres better options that don’t trick your cells to be making stuff it shouldn’t be making then,
holding out for Novavax or Austriaco should be respected the same as opting not to take it. Certainty is not the purview of mRNA yet, regardless of expert consensus, precisely because the knowledge to be attained is still in the future. Long term.
So why force it on people, not that they are yet really, but if you track the rhetoric, they are headed in that direction. So why not push Novovax or Autriaco too, coming soon. non-mRNA “vaccines”.
The ‘why’ is for the benefit of the whole, which is why companies are starting to require that employees be vaccinated.
My one centavo worth of comment. I can imagine the US CDC doing a decision tree analysis with time as a big element in the analysis, assigning probabilities and benefit/ cost values in the various branches and leaves of the tree. The problem is one is fighting a small monster with high exponential growth. The negative mRNA vaccine aspect I believe is not lost, but on the “whole” (the same word used by Joe), they decided the way they did.
That is only my imagination working. I really don’t know.
The trials period is the legal noman’s land right now, and why no one can compel anyone right now anything, J&J, Moderna, Pfizer… So,
This is what they are doing get the vaccine or submit to a weekly COVID19 test, which is mostly harassment , because there are easy tests out there, but instead they require the nose or throat swab.
So let’s say I’m young chempo still working in a bank, I say test me instead. No vaccines for me!
Let’s say also that I have had COVID19 already only I was asymptomatic or just had the sneeze, but that was it; if I take the test won’t it register as positive?
What then no work, with pay w/out pay; when my immune system was able to beat the virus. Then I’m penalized for having a good immune system, and staying healthy?
Let’s say my bank likes me, a week off work w/ pay, having already tested positive, how often will I test positive in the next succeeding tests? meaning are COVID19 test like PPD skin tests for TB, once exposed always positive?
See? so vaccine and tests, aren’t one for one. A bunch of other decision trees sprout, totally unrelated to the pandemic surfaces, because tests instead of vaccines isn’t a one for one trade off. they’re apples and oranges.
Thus you can mandate masks, because its like saying wear underwear to work; but not vaccines. In the same vein, you can also mandate that hospitals can refuse service to the unvaccinated (this is a triage issue). but not fire someone for not opting to be vaccinated,
just like a bank can refuse work w/ full pay and benefit while you’re on mandatory quarantine becuz you’ve tested positive.
I’m not firing them. They are agreeing they are not qualified and moving somewhere else to disrupt the workplace. But unions are likely to raise your point and we’ll see how it plays out in the laws of the land.
At this point the military ‘s former policy of Don’t ask; Don’t tell makes more sense.
Correction:
United Airlines now fully mandating vaccines, exceptions for health and religious reasons. I’m sure its unions will fight it.
Some take pride at the supposed literacy rate at face value, when the reality it may be far lower than that, as survival becomes paramount than picking up a good book or even keeping a small library. That politicians keep screwing attempts at reforming public education, reforms like banishing 1950s-style pedantry, in favor of keeping the populace blinded with a 500-peso bill and freebies, and using entertainment (and some politicians also happen to be entertainment personalities) and troll farms in social media to distract them from ever trying to organize and call for civil disobedience, as what happened in Myanmar and Thailand.
Interesting thought. The school system does not impart knowledge, just graduates.
We’re really producing workers for labor export, and those pieces of paper called diplomas just for display as superficial achievements.
Meanwhile those with higher degrees quit this country for higher pay and perks elsewhere; those who stay mainly for personal profit happen to have a politician or a bureaucrat for a relative.
Yes.
The biggest diploma mills are the merchant marine schools.
The EU has been auditing us for years, but we are too proud to comply.
Our perennial problem is onboard training on Domestic ships, but many Ships cheat their tonnage for lower fees, that could have partially solved the shipboard training problem.
The problems are the literal diploma mills, with no training facilities to speak of and yet they still operate.
https://mb.com.ph/2021/05/31/ph-seafarers-at-risk-of-eu-ban-on-standards-issue/
Again it was Sec Locsin who pointed out who dropped the ball.
https://mb.com.ph/2021/03/16/marina-dropping-the-ball-on-ph-compliance-with-eu-regulations-says-locsin/
the scary thing is, locsin is associated with dropped balls, lol! he lost vaccines 2x already, I think, a dropped ball is again in the offing.
As of now we have to rely on the pacing of the UP Philippine genome center in detecting the delta variant and they can’t just hire staff and buy new equipment just like that.
So out of all the positive cases the genome center have to work double time to take enough samples and now we know that the delta variant spread all over metro manila and the hospitals are full again. We matched or surpassed our recorded daily cases and we now have more than 70 k active cases.
Without redundant institutions to the genome center we will never know if there are more cases than the 450 recorded as of late.
Last year we only had the RITM to test the specimens for covid and the different outpatient labs upped their game and many labs are accredited to test for covid not just send out to RITM.
They might soon have to hire geneticists to help PGC.
Karl, as far as numbers go these are the dates of the reports and “confirmed” Delta cases.
21-Jul 47
22-Jul 64
24-Jul 119
29-Jul 216
06-Aug 450
The question is how many have gone undetected. I will not be surprised if at least a tenth have gone through the cracks of the detection system. Meaning about 50. With the high transmissibility of Delta … (supply your own conclusion)
I could say our Delta cases are in the thousands if not tens of thousands, but not enough people to detect. so we will just keep on guessing.
One more thing.
One more stumbling block for contact tracing is those who do not have cell phones with apps and internet write on a piece of paper their health declaration and phone number.
How many of those check on no to the symptoms? and how many give fake or ineligible phone numbers?
And people with symptoms snitched to the baranggay most often than not do not want to get tested or they do not have 5k. So maybe subsidized testing would help if they can not afford mass testing.
better mass testing than mass burials.
*check no to the symtoms even when they have colds or sore throat.
ideally, contract tracing is supposed to be completed within 48hrs. no phones to tap contact tracing app? that should not be problem. doh should have already anticipated this.
what’s stopping vergierre from making announcement on tv, mentioning exposure sites and asking those in the vicinity to come and be tested? and to make it really specific, vergierre can always say only those who were in the vicinity between 10-12.30pm (the time when the positive case was found to be around) are considered most at risk and should be tested.
The next set of leaders shoiuld be good at anticipating, proactive and not reactive
when I said they can not afford mass testing, I meant the government and not the individual.
scattered-brain moment again.
Because of high transmissibility (reproduction number 4 to 6 of unrestrained infections i.e. no personal mitigation of masking, etc, and no lockdown), Delta can indeed grow very fast from that initial 50 I conjectured above. I take my favorite conceptual view: if the Delta is restrained by a combination of masking, social distancing, quarantine/ lockdown — in poorer sectors — this rep no. can get to, say, 2. The incubation period, I understand from my readings can be between 3 to 4 days for Delta.
These numbers have this implication. In 30 days, the daily Delta cases (not the cumulative) can grow to 51,200 (= 50*2^(30/3)). I may be wrong, the effective repr no. with mitigation/ quarantine may be lower, say, 1.8 Then the number is 17,800.
Strictly numbers play. But the subjective implication is clear.
Your numbers play is near my subjective guess so I guess you are correct. Kidding.
🙂
In 1973, while working on my first advertising job at a multinational agency I found out that the Filipino is visceral not mental. He hasn’t changed. But what makes him worse off now is the deeper cynicism he harbors about life.
On 8/5/21, The Society of Honor: the Philippines
Yes, the Filipino is intuitive and instinctive more than rational, especially those who are not too far removed from the old ways of life, maybe just one or two generations ago his or her folks lived not too different from how inhabitants of the archipelago lived for millennia. That was usually enough to survive and sometimes even thrive until the modern age inevitably affected the lives of all people.
The latter could be the root of today’s cynicism which might be from sheer helplessness.
Of course the educational system managed to give some the tools to grasp a complex world like we have these days. But not MOST as it usually either only taught marketable skills OR political dogma not independent analysis – even many seemingly intelligent leftists or other analysts just spout slogans they learned, unable to explain or defend them if needed.
no man is an island, and as those visceral filipinos land jobs by sheer effort, dedication and whatnot, they’re exposed to the wider world outside their horizon and dont stay visceral for long. they learn how to get along, how to get the job done, and even how to get promoted and given higher responsibilities. there is always on the job training, the workplace is dynamic and highly competitive. it can make or break workers.
in our country we have endo, workers work for around 6 months and then replaced or fired, only for them to re-apply and get their old jobs back, temporarily and minus the benefits enjoyed by regular employees, like sick pay and paid leave. and the cycle goes on and the govt have not gotten rid of endo.
This note from the Nobel Laureate Tagore seems appropriate in this blog.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8LKwgSWUAIZq4L?format=jpg&name=medium
The Philippines is anti-knowledge
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Analysis and Opinion
By Joe America
I posted this tweet a few days ago:
“Science is knowledge. Truth is knowledge. Politics, propaganda, lies, trolls, and conspiracy theories are the opposite of knowledge. They are deceits and delusions. They are good for the greedy, bad for the nation. The Philippines is largely anti-knowledge.”
Philippine government blows smoke and buys loyalty.
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Joe, you qualified the title of your latest blog article with the statement,
“The Philippines is largely anti-knowledge.”
It is, of course, your prerogative.
The below article implies the Philippines is “Christian” and largely “Roman Catholic”:
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[Search domain asiasociety.org] https://asiasociety.org/education/religion-philippines
The Philippines proudly boasts to be the only Christian nation in Asia. More than 86 percent of the population is Roman Catholic, 6 percent belong to various nationalized Christian cults, and another 2 percent belong to well over 100 Protestant denominations.
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Most likely the people who actively participate at or only read your site, TSoH, are “Christian” (largely Roman Catholic).
To name a few: Chemrock, Sonny, Karl, Dean, Agerico, …? I could be wrong.
Who of them agrees that the Philippines is “anti-knowledge”… Christian and yet anti-knowledge?
Would they care to be very clear about their position or opinion?
LCX can state what he is: atheist, agnostic, satanist, …?
Lance worships the mighty Thetan Azazel.
Irineo, sorry, I forgot to mention you, among many others.
Would you care to say who you worship or what your beliefs are in relation to the blog article?
It would make for more interesting, enlightening interactions, wouldn’t it?
My religion is the Wakapakels one. My favorite martial art is Sayonatchi. I like okra BTW.
I’m a non practicing Jain. via Google, because of this,
They have the most comprehensive understanding of death and dying.
Thus life.
“They have the most comprehensive understanding of death and dying.”
Lance,
What say Jain on this?
“O death, where is thy sting?
O grave, where is thy victory?”
1 Corinthians 15:55
They’ll ask how did St. Paul die?
Answer:
Very comfortably, having embezzled money he was fundraising which was suppose to go to Jerusalem, for Jesus’ true apostles and church. Probably bought a nice estate somewhere in Tuscany. His last words in old age, surrounded by family and/or prostitutes, and lots of fine wine, was probably, “suckers….”
Paul leaves Ephesus with the intention of returning to Jerusalem for the purpose of delivering the collection to the Jerusalem church at Pentecost. The collection was a gift from the Gentile churches to the Jerusalem believers. Romans 15:26 states that “Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem,” a text written from Corinth in the three-month period after Paul’s Ephesian ministry.
Paul has done this sort collection for Jerusalem before. Before the first missionary journey in Acts 13, Paul delivered funds to Jerusalem collected by the Antioch church. This visit is the subject of Gal 2:1-10. In Gal 2:10 Paul said that the James had only encouraged him to “remember the poor.” The “poor” in mind here are the members of the Jerusalem church, the very people the famine visit was intended to help.
The Jerusalem appears to be still living in a sort of shared community, supported by gifts. Given a famine (and possibly a Jubilee year), the poor believers in Jerusalem were even more dependent on Antioch than ever. Ben Witherington wonders if the handshake was an agreement to continue the financial arrangements between the Antioch church and the Jerusalem church (Acts, 429). This is possible since the same sort of language appears in Acts 15 as well, although the collection is not mentioned.
The Collection was unique in the ancient world. The Greco-Roman world has a system of public benefaction, but nothing like a modern “fund-raiser” where people are solicited for money which is then distributed to the poor. Likewise, in Judaism the poor received Alms from individuals, but money was not collected in mass for re-distribution to the poor. Which the exception of Queen Abiabene, who brought relief to Jerusalem (Antiq. 20:51-51), there are no other examples of this sort of collection of funds.
@i7sharp, I have many, many followers on FB and Twitter, most highly educated and devotedly religious, who understand the point of “anti-knowledge” as a political concept, producing corruption, propaganda, and incompetence, and a trait that can be seen in a people who are educated systematically, but lack the depth of knowledge (reading) to understand ethics or patriotism or how they penalize themselves for voting badly. I was thinking earlier today, observing the articulate expressions of Philippine medal winners at the Olympics, that Filipinos are very smart and can blossom like anyone if given the proper stage. More young people need to be given the stage and olds need to be packed off it.
The Christian background of people here is largely irrelevant to the state of their knowledge, as the informed and uninformed have their faith. I do note that the practice of that faith, for Catholics, is more ritualistic than studied, and I’d venture to guess that bible studies are uncommon. You should see my bible in the US, King James, brown cover, thin pages, filled with margin notes from sermons and Sunday bible study sessions after the service.
Reading is important.
The ritualistic aspect of a lot of Catholic practice in the Philippines made feel a bit distant from religion until sonny introduced me to the intellectual side of Catholicism, though I did get my first idea of such stuff from Umberto Eco.
As for Protestantism, Methodists were apparently a force in shaping ideas of civics and human rights back in 1986, based on American templates. One can also mention the Jesuit influence on the thinking of Rizal on the Catholic side.
Filipino evangelicals can be strange, including PNPs Jovie Espenido who sees himself as God’s instrument when he kills people, or Pacquiao justifying the death penalty with Jesus’s crucifixion – though he never called for actual crucifixion, that was satire on Twitter that way too many believed.
Could be the lack of critical thinking also stems from the taboo of asking people with authority “Why?”. That alone might promote lazy thinking at all levels, as nothing has to really make any sense.
As for reading, there is the low degree of reading comprehension international studies have found out about. That can be cured through more active reading and questioning premises like Lance likes to do, annoying as he can be at times with his badgering people.
“The ritualistic aspect of a lot of Catholic practice in the Philippines made feel a bit distant from religion until sonny introduced me to the intellectual side of Catholicism, though I did get my first idea of such stuff from Umberto Eco.”
Thank you for the good this acknowledgment is intended, Irineo. Of late, running across an individual who happens to be a much, much better representative of the intellectual side of Catholicism is a timely boon. I am referring to Fr Nic Austriaco, OP. He is priest, teacher, theologian, scientist, pastor. friend, Filipino and many more. Give him a try. 🙂
@Joe,
“You should see my bible in the US, King James, brown cover, thin pages, filled with margin notes from sermons and Sunday bible study sessions after the service.”
Joe, did you make a 180?
In any case, someone (who seemed to have made a 180 after producing a very interesting BibleWheel) came to mind.
I don’t know how helpful or relevant this
https://www.bible-codes.org/letters-biblewheel.htm
will be but I saw a mention of “Mene Tekel” which Irineo touched on
and decided to share it here.
I saw a number of typos, etc. in it but I had a glimpse of something that seemed interesting.
Perhaps in due time, I can share how a comma I noticed led me to someone’s writing on about “The Mystery of Mysteries”
https://davidporush.com/category/quantum-theology/
They had no commas in the original, i7sharp! punctuations are a new invention. I still don’t know where to put commas and semi-colons!
“They had no commas in the original …”
Lance,
I know no Hebrew. Greek is Greek to me.
All I know is that it is the husband, not the wife, who makes the coffee:
He Brews.
This is where (in the KJV, of course) I noticed the comma:
https://biblehub.com/genesis/36-24.htm
I know a bit, not much, of English.
The English comma is the Hebrew jot and tittle???
Oh, about the comma, …
https://www.kjvtoday.com/home/mules-or-hot-springs-in-genesis-3624
Jonathan ben Uzziel paraphrases the place thus: “This is the Anah who united the onager with the tame ass, and in process of time he found mules produced by them.” R. D. Kimchi says, that “Zibeon was both the father and brother of Anah; and this Anah, intent on heterogeneous mixtures, caused asses and horses to copulate, and so produced mules.”
Interesting. I thought mules was a European discovery. But where’s the comma of significance?
@LCX
” But where’s the comma of significance?”
Lance, I wish I can upload a jpg file – or bold or italicize words – (as I had been able to do before) to more clearly illustrate what I mean.
To Joe: Am I missing access to some WordPress features?
In any case, let me try now:
“… both Ajah, and Anah: this was that Anah …”
I became curious.
Why
“both Ajah, and Anah”? Please note the placement of the comma.
Why not simply
“both Ajah and Anah”?
See other translations here:
Genesis 36:24
https://biblehub.com/genesis/36-24.htm
Note how – aside from the comma – the many different ways the verse is rendered!
There is a bit more curiosity that I can add to this but let me go now to where further googling had led me:
https://magilas.me/ja-mule
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“The Mystery of Mysteries”
Part 1: The stubbornness of the mule problem in Darwinian science and Jewish cosmology.
Posted on January 16, 2019 by David Porush
This is Part 1 of a three-part series about the mule, the hybrid problem in science, and ways in which Darwinism and the Jewish Bible illuminate each other. You can find the other parts here:
Part 2: Anah’s Mule and Torah’s Darwinian Experiment
Part 3: A Fertile Hybrid: Torah’s Quantum Theo-biological Solution to Darwin’s Problem
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Word Press changes things in ways I have no control over, and everyone is working on the same system. It’s a struggle. Lots of luck.
😂🤣😂 He Brews! The preacher doth have a sense of humor!
His singing is also not that bad.
Enjoy!!!
https://magilas.me/aramsamsam
I see, in that case its similar to this. Also related to me and chemp’s talk on speciation. Lions and tigers similar size, but I doubt a lion and a house cat can mate, physical restriction being size, and hunger too would play a crucial role. But if you do it in vitro, maybe, cuz they are of the same species after all. But with CRSPR anything’s possible now.
No, just building some depth here and there, no sharp turns, really. I’m a spiritual person, and have had my full share of blessings. This blog is not a church building, although many arrive with a pulpit tucked under their arms. The blog is more a university seminar room, all denominations welcome. Within the rules of engagement.
Lo and behold … what I got in my emailbox just now!
https://www.academia.edu/36287444/The_Akashic_Records
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The Akashic Records
Edgar Lores
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Information Systems,
Akashic Records,
Ervin Laszlo,
Edgar Cayce
The Akashic records comprise the database of the Universe, of all that has happened, is happening and will happen. It contains not only events from the Big Bang but also the record of individual lives of all that have lived. This paper discusses the clairvoyant and seer Edgar Cacye, and updates the idea of the …read
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Man, that was a great thread to re-visit; karl’s post of Dr. Strange and Ironman high fiving was the best visual of said blog.
I’m sure that edgar’s name being prominent especially when we talk of knowledge (and dreams) means he is still with us, and if the hints they’re seeing at CERN and Fermilab, its that in the end its just all vibrations and movement of really tiny things. So everything that ‘s been written has in effect a life of its own. Meaning digital or analog letters and symbols, require electrons and photons, for our eyes to catch them then processed in the brain (or is it the other way around, who knows?).
Thus from the Akashic record, edgar emails i7sharp. A truly beautiful thought. If it was me, i’d be emailing i7sharp crap about Scientology and gay porn , Spam and say stuff like I will connect all this eventually if given the chance but never do. LOL! j/k. RIP edgar, thanks for emailing i7sharp. Send him more numerology. LOL! thanks for sharing the above, i7sharp.
Someone said, that you are just the sum of all those elementary particles swirling around, but the wonder is that the sum is you, something unique. When someone dies the particles are still there but scattered chaotically — an entropic reality. This brings to mind that when you look at our friend edgar in the details, to the depths of elementary particles he is made up, you lose a lot if you don’t consider the totality of him beyond those details. A totality that lives beyond the grave.
Now, look at the totality of Leni. The totality of Sotto, Lacson, Gordon, Marcos. In the latter, I see them in terms of those elementary particles, the totality is unrecognizable or undefinable.
“you are just the sum of all those elementary particles swirling around, but the wonder is that the sum is you, something unique.”
This you, concept of you; or me, is the means I tend to judge religions, NH.
Now granted its in Christianity also but not as clear , its in love God and love your neighbor as yourself. But not in the tradition of say Jainism, where that you is encouraged to be a much greater You with a capital Y.
Meaning that unique you, shouldn’t be too unique, that you don’t just end where your skin ends. That although our atoms repel form mine, why I don’t merge into you physically, at the sub-atomic we all do merge, thus extending this concept of ‘you’ farther than your skin.
You’re walking around emanating sub-atomic particles. And these things are now posited to be traveling in the past, present and future, 4D, or more.
So yeah I agree that you is unique, but it appears theres really only one You, NH. One consciousness.
Joe,
I’ve always appreciated Will Durant’s only table in “The Story of Philosophy”. In it he divides theories of knowledge in only 3 categories. Plato’s and Aristotle’s, then the rest is all about
apatheia: freedom from passion (Zeno)
ataraxia: imperturbability, literally “without trouble,” sometimes translated as “tranquillity”/”repose of mind” (Epicurus)
Essentially, you got Web 2.0 and all the facts and numbers and science and scientism, that stem from Aristotle.
Then you have the two ways to process said clutter.
Through apathy and/or peace, ‘and/or’ because the two are not mutually exclusive. Not really.
Apathy means I’ll not comment for or against, or NH’s I agree with both.
Which I’m sure lead to peace of mind, which is Epicurean.
Apathy also means you’ve surrendered to others’ will, Stoicism is all about that, and why Christianity essentially is Stoicism but with salvation. So its like ice cream with cherry on top. Or a mansion in Heaven.
Epicurean is related to chempo’s sworn enemy which is Relativism. Whatever floats your boat typa thinking. It’s also about individual rights, because Absolutism stems from state right usually, or tyranny of the majority (theres also tyranny of the minority or succinctly , the squeaky wheel gets the grease).
Nullification of passion, and seeking peace of mind , then has to be done via interaction. Preferably, with those having passion and with uncertainty, lacking of repose. Which essentially is what we’re doing here, so we look at that table above, and all those are the
individuals and ideas we are channeling. Which connects to edgar’s blog on Edgar Cayce, everything past, present and future has already happened. Thus we all do what we can because of pleasure. Nothing more, because its good to be alive.
And the Thetans inside of me, are giving me a thumbs up, saying LCPL_X has scratched the surface of eternity as well as all infinities. Like scratching or tickling the balls of God.
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“Jainism posits a cosmological view that at first glance seems similar to that put forth in Ptolemy’s theory of the spheres and Dante’s Divine Comedy. At the base of this cosmos can be found various regions of hell. In the central realm is the surface of the planet, on which reside the five elements (earth, water, fire, air, space), living beings, and humans. Above this realm extends a sequence of heavenly worlds. At the pinnacle of this cosmos exists a domain of liberated beings who have risen above the vicissitudes of repeated birth in the lower, middle, and higher realms. In spatial orientation and its theory of moral consequences, it seems to evoke Dante’s system of hell, purgatory, and heaven. Depending on one’s actions, one earns a berth in one of the three domains.
However, if we look more closely at this system, its theories of space, time, and matter are more subtle than may first seem apparent. First, Jainism identifies two primary categories of reality: living and nonliving. Living reality, or jiva, is broadly defined as dynamism and suffuses what in precontemporary physics would be considered inert. Each jiva is said to contain consciousness, energy, and bliss. Earth, water, fire, and air bodies (which comprise material objects such as wood or umbrellas or drops of water or flickers of flame or gusts of wind) all contain jiva, or individual bodies of life force. The category of nonliving “things” includes properties such as the flow of time and space and the binding of matter known as karma or dravya onto the jiva. The nature of this karma determines the course of one’s embodiment and experience. Negative karma causes a downward movement, both in this present cycle of birth and death and in future births. Positive karma releases the negative, binding qualities of karma and allows for an ascent to higher realms, either as a more morally pure human being or as a god or goddess. Ultimately, the Jaina path of purification through its many strict ethical precepts may culminate in joining the realm of the perfected ones, the siddhas. These liberated souls have released themselves from all karma, particularly due to their commitment to total harmlessness (ahimsa), and dwell in a state of eternal consciousness, energy, omniscience, and bliss.
In this cosmological system, one’s station in life can be understood in terms of one’s degree of effort in following ethically correct patterns of life as taught by the Jaina Tirthankaras, or spiritual leaders. The world of nature cannot be separated from the moral order; even a clod of earth exists as earth because it has earned its particular niche in the wider system of life processes. A human’s experience includes prior births as various animals, microorganisms, elemental entities, and perhaps as a god or goddess. To see, recognize, and understand the world is to acknowledge one’s past and potential future. Though the Jaina insistence on the uniqueness of each individual soul does not lend itself to an ultimate vision of interconnected monism, it nonetheless lays the foundation for seeing all beings other than oneself with an empathic eye. In past or future births, one could have been or could become a life form similar to any of those that surround one in the vast cosmos.” —– from Dædalus magazine, titled “The Living Cosmos of Jainism: A Traditional Science Grounded in Environmental Ethics”
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/germanys-modern-pentathlon-coach-disqualified-after-punching-horse-2021-08-07/
“The association did this in response to video images showing how Raisner seems to beat the horse Saint Boy, ridden by Annika Schleu, with her fist during the horseback riding part of the modern women’s pentathlon. That action was in violation of the UIPM rules, the union reports.
For pentathlon star Schleu, the gold was within reach, but the horse she had received on loan, Saint Boy, refused several times. Schleu therefore failed to score points and finished in 31st place.”
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This story in particular is metaphor laden to apathy and peace of mind.
Also related to this,
Will had a wife Ariel and my idea of perfect love is the bedroom of two great minds such as that. I read them long long ago, philosophy or communication or somesuch. The words are gone, but, like Edgar’s reach, the life remains.
Will and Ariel Durant
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Durant
Lance, I appreciate your posting that Thoughts Tree — from Socrates to Santayana.
It is somehow inevitable, to me at least, that these great minds come into the blog topic. Like the great minds here at TSH. 🙂
NH,
There’s a few folks missing like Rousseau , I’ve also tacked on Montaigne , around the same plane but opposite of each other.
But none of those listed above thought of this,
sorry, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_terms_and_concepts#Jīvas_(souls)
I am wondering about the influences that passed between East and West.. Greek influences on Sufi mysticism maybe, Indian and Persian influences on Spinoza by way of Al-Andalus, Jung not a philosopher but a psychologist and the I Ching, Voltaire and tending one’s own garden with his Ottoman story, Goethe, the East-West Divan and later ideas from Orientalism in Romanticism.
The entire relativism of today rooted in Derrida and that postmodern stuff, in fact to some extent a return to sophism some have said, is missing in that diagram too which is nonetheless a rare overview of the lineages of thought.
Well, Zeno the Stoic was Phoenician so technically from the Orient; and this idea of being God’s son is Oriental as well, re Alexander the Great. Though demi-gods exist in Greek myth, I dunno if they thought of regular folks in the real world as of God. For sure, there’s exchanges.
Ashoka also sent Buddhist emissaries to Ancient Greece, which are documented.
But the cosmology, of actually saying there’s living things and this is the categories, and non-living things but they still have the stuff of energy, etc. thus related to living things in more profound ways, that’s not found in history, but in Quantum physics.
How L. Ron Hubbard came to said storyline is more basic, he was exposed to them already just wrote it as science fiction. The closest from West is probably Gnostic tradition.
https://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=6632 and https://religiousstudies.ucr.edu/full-time-faculty/ana-bajzelj/ two women I’m closely following on youtube and Google re Jainism. Very interesting stuff.
We are known for snail paced justice and sardine can like jails.
This curfew will flood the prosecutors offices with more cases before they even cleared their case backlogs from the last quarrantine.
The jails will be filled again if you are unvaccinated you will wish you were, but where are the vaccines?
How sure are the police that those who violated the curfew are not coming home from work, and found it hard to get a ride.
Yes, the goons in green approach totally misses the point that it is a serious health crisis, not rebellion.
Yes, exactly.
I’m looking at curfew the other way. limit people’s movement and covid’s spread is limited as well. people carry the virus, the less they’re up and about, the less the virus spreads in the community. and those moving outside 10km zone, had better a good reason.
those coming home from work should have documents and papers ready, and if they dont come from covid hot spots and exposure sites, they should be waved through.
those moving into hot spots can well be denied travel and families can be separated, for a duration. this is done for people’s own good even if they dont see it that way.
I agree.
If the DOH sees cases rising even with ECQ then what the heck????
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/31/21/active-cases-metro-manila-increase-30000-delta-variant-ecq-covid19
Karl,
This is consistent with my note on Twitter, that a significant number of CoV Delta Variants may have escaped the DOH net and thus, though effectively reduced in its reproduction number (from the literature-reported range of 4 to 6 when unrestrained) — through personal mitigation and ECQ measures — can power the increase. Vergerie’s number range seems to be the same orders of magnitude as my numbers range, though lacking in the sophistication of data and modeling that, say, OCTA may have.
Not patting myself on the back here, but just saying that organizations with an elementary knowledge of math added to data, among others, can do numbers ranging to guide policies or response. Dugue’s tape-measure approach will not do. 🙂
Tape measure or meter stick social distancing qademo with entourage rubbing elbows. Duque is incompetence personified.
hands off my darling duque, lol! methink, he has recused himself and is in perpetual isolation: barely seen and rarely heard, unliquidated kung pera baga siya, in mint condition and uncirculated, fearful of covid and now delta. it’s vergeire and the abs-cbn analyst that constantly give covid update and commentaries. parang si duterte paminsan itong si darling duque, whereas duterte sleeps and often missing in action; duque is often awol, both their pay is assured though, despite less productivity.
let leni led; take her led, she is so like many pahinantes on ‘no work no pay’ work agreement. she goes to work religiously and got exposed to covid; been contact traced a number of times, quarantined a number of times too. all in a day’s work and productive. and thank the lord she is and still is, negative to covid.
and why is covid cases rising in ncr despite ecq? methink, polis and militar are concentrating too much on wrong places, mostly at checkpoints.
they should be highly visible in malls and any establishments and places that have covid apps at the entrance. those with phones kasi are not always tapping/swipping covid apps at dumideritso kaagad papasok. maybe they dont want authorities to know where they are, dont want to be contact traced, dont, want their whereabouts to be known. drug couriers ba sila? mga tauhan ni joma? spies? smugglers? black marketers? covid spreaders in their elements happy to spread covid? they all are invisible to data.
Hmm.. re aphantasia (c) LCPL_X: there are novels and stories where I get to see a movie of what is happening or being expressed in my mind – and those where I don’t. I wonder how this relates to much written stuff not reaching a lot of Filipinos. If ever what reaches them is highly personalized narration a la podcasts or Youtube, thus the power and influence of Tulfo but also of Xiao Chua. Or the direct visual expression a la Tarantadong Kalbo or Trese.
Of course language can play a role, as many people picture things more easily and more easily feel something to songs in familiar tongues – I know that El Fili in its first and only German translation had an intensity to me the English version never had, for instance. English to me has less intensity unless it is in certain songs. Wondering if for some Filipinos, English is just as alien as Latin was to European peasants of old, way too distant?
Irineo, this brings to mind what I read of Russians loving poetry and novels because the language has somehow that undefinable something that brings the beautiful essence of the poetry or novel. On that score, perhaps the Russians best their English counterparts?
What say you of Deutsch? With its kilometric words?
Well, one major aspect is how hard it is to translate even across related languages, even more unrelated ones..
http://opmcollection.blogspot.com/2010/07/michael-v-mtb-miyusik-tagalog-bersiyon.html?m=1
Translating Betcha By Golly Wow literally into Pustahan Aysus Naku like Michael V did in 1997 is one example.
Here’s another good video, of an artist with aphantasia and her process sans imagination,
You are absolutely right, Irineo. I read the English translated version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms and it is so bland. When you read Chinese classic poems in English, they sound silly. But in Chinese, there is a beauty that non-Chinese can never appreciate. Even quotations of Confucius, in English it just sound some plain wise words.
Ireneo, chemp, NH, et al.
I agree the ramifications of aphantasia in propaganda are great. But I’m thinking phantasiacs, that’s us i guess folks who can channel visions in their minds, are probably more prone to propaganda than aphantasiacs, giving aphantasiac an advantage.
That there are aphantasiac artists is even more mind boggling, Ed Catmull who started Pixar, is one. So what was he imagining when he was attempting to make moving pictures of 1’s and 0’s or pixels?
How do you masturbate as an aphantasiac (if you’re w/out internet porn or magazines, or any other visual cues)?!!! I used to think the ability to visualize was what garnered an upper hand, now I’m starting to question that.
Our ability to visualize maybe what s causing all this discord, with each imagining and emotionalizing various realities, thus fitna. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(word) this is really what Muslims fear the most,
and its related to chemp’s hatred of relativism.
The flipside to that thought is that discord is what allows us to come together. So now I’m gonna have to deep dive this aphantasia stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE2glukSb5Q (I’m watching all this woman’s video, because it s the most insightful, because she’s also realizing how people are actually summoning visions in their minds, and she’s thinking that’s so much work! like a handicap, lol, watch her videos)
“But in Chinese, there is a beauty that non-Chinese can never appreciate. “
Theres syllabics like Korean/Japanese; then theres symbolics like Chinese. Ours is alphabet based.
So how does a Chinese aphantasiac even visualize Chinese characters and form ideas from it. I imagine it would require more visualizing.
I’m inclined to think the tunnel visioned are causing the discord, the broad visioning are recognizing the problem, and they’ll eventually do the most to bring back rational thought, the absence of which is very harmful.
Seven (7) years ago.
02/17/2014 to be exact.
There are two occurrences
of “the seventeenth day of the month”
in you-know-where.
https://magilas.me/7-years-ago
I was able to browse more of the blog article a few minutes ago.
What happened to the “Dream”?
Where are now those participants in the discussion?
Where is Dee Meyer?
For a couple of reasons,
at about that time I was thinking of Marissa Mayer (not quite 40 yet).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Mayer
Dee Meyer aka Juana Filipinas is often on Twitter as Joanna Pilipinas but hasn’t commented here for quite a while.
Irineo,
Juana was probably the one i had brief conversations with – here at TSoH.
Half Capampangan?
I am full Kafamfangan. hahaha
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/16/the-surprising-relief-of-the-tokyo-olympics
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I hope it is fine to post this:
(I submit it a good-to-know and can be related to the blog article.
And, if you like movies – who doesn’t? – you will like/enjoy, methinks, reading Anthony Lane’s reviews.)
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/16/the-surprising-relief-of-the-tokyo-olympics
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Comment
August 16, 2021 Issue
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Anthony Lane has been a film critic for The New Yorker since 1993. He is the author of “Nobody’s Perfect.”
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It was this part of the Anthony Lane’s “Comments” that actually prompted me to share the article here … knowing the risk of getting moderated (again):
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Two points need to be made. First, the only technology-assisted way to beat Bolt’s records, in the one hundred and two hundred metres, is to write to the Acme Company, as patronized by Wile E. Coyote, and order those shoes with the giant springs.
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The 2nd point is not as good but you can read it above.
Why copy paste the entire article when you could have simply posted the URL? You could be in breach of copyright issue there.
Lay off, him, Micha! he’s finally posting normal links! Don’t ruin it for me.
Joe would be the judge of that. The New Yorker could sue.
Post the link, not the entire article.
I’ve emailed the New Yorker to hold off on their lawsuit, as this is one of (hopefully) more normal links from i7sharp. I’m sure Joe would concur as well.
See most of New Yorker’s articles are on paywall. Sharpie is supplying it to Joe’s site for free.
“I’ve emailed the New Yorker …”
Lance, I tried to get hold of David myself. Will try again.
*David Remnick, that is.
Who is to say Anthony will not soon *comment* on the comments here at TSoH!
*Anthony Lane, that is.
“See most of New Yorker’s articles are on paywall. “
In that case, I’m definitely reading it now. FREE is free!
I don’t know why you want to make trouble for the blog. Micha is correct. From this point on I will delete ‘reprints’, thanks to this response.
Restrain yourself Corporal, or I’ll have you doing pushups behind the moderation wall.
Aye, aye, Captain!
I don’t.
Micha holds the high ground here.
@LCX
This is not a “normal” link:
https://magilas.me/micha-high-ground
Good or bad?
Thank you. Others have done it from time to time as well, and it is an imposition to readers who have to scroll through it to get to what they want to read. I’d hope for a more thoughtful participation, but tire of being “Daddy”.
“Only a cynic, however, would deny that, for a fortnight, the darkness was put on hold.”
The darkness was there when that German riding coach punched the horse that wouldn’t jump; can you imagine if US gymnastic coaches punch Simone Biles?
I say give that horse a gold medal, for expressing some agency, “How bout you jump this hurdle!!! I’m tired. I want back into the barn to focus on my mental health godamnit!!!“. LOL!
What say you of the German modern pentathlon team, Ireneo?
Sorry Irineo but what’s with German coaches, have you seen the coach who slapped the judoka or karateka for moral support?
she was a judoka.
https://www.today.com/video/german-judo-athlete-s-pre-competition-ritual-her-coach-slaps-her-117642309897
So Senator Lacson made an election strategy proposal to VP Robredo in which the latter, apparently, turned down.
Not saying that the strategy will work but on matters like that, I suppose it’s best to keep the talks private and strictly confidential. It’s like allied commanders publicly discussing where and when they will launch D-day.
Unless, Hidilyn runs, I don’t see anyone else in the running really.
Is that Inday Sara and Binibining Leni talking about election strategy?
I’m sure theyre talking about Lacson and how Mancao is still running amok in Mindanao.
Lacson was proposing to do a night of the long knives like what the Dems did to Bernie in the primary.
Leni ‘s wise not to take anyone’s advice, everyone should be seen as an agent of sabotage.
Picture’s from 2015/6 (note Inday Sara’s hair still growing back after she shaved it in the drama to urge her father to run, and VP Leni is wearing the yellow and black outfit of the Ro-Ro campaign) when the two had a private meet.
Re Leni and Lacson she is disclosing stuff she already has categorically refused, in fact I think the disclosure and her statement “if I run I will fight to the end” are both advantageous to her.
“If I run I will fight to the end.”
If this is a symphony, there seems to be a build-up to a crescendo. Interesting times. I am glad we are near the ringside. Keeps this old man’s heart exercised.
Inday Sara : Kung gusto mo ilaglag natin ang manok ni itay.
VP Leni : Ay, gusto ko yan. Sagot ko na tong breakfast. Magkanong atin?
Lacson probably agrees today because he’s being fairly roasted after announcing how the VP ‘resisted’ his ‘selfless’ proposal. She explained why and made him look like a doofus. He took his Twitter account private.
He’s perfectly within bounds to make a scheming proposal like that but he should have discussed it face to face and strictly confidential with the VP. What use is the strategic maneuver if the enemy have been supplied with the brief as well?
Agree. The explanation that makes the most sense that I’ve read was that he was trying to ‘hostage’ her, or diminish her.
Haha, looks like we have an unrehabilitated Lacson from his KB days.
LOL! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Manila_blackmail_incident
If the one involving a helicopter pushing or throwing is true,
Then Lacson and Duterte are birds of the sane feather.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/5ktmgj/senator_panfilo_lacson_also_threw_people_out_of_a/
Today Lacson is going after PNP and the Anti-Terrorism committee (which he advocated) tor an apparent “clean-up” of political opponents and misuse of billions of anti-terror funds for political purposes favoring Sara Duterte. So he does have his uses. It takes a schemer to ‘out’ a schemer.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1470858/ping-names-pnp-general-who-ordered-census
Yep. Rhymes with “it takes a thief to catch a thief.” “It takes a liar to quickly catch the other liar.”
It is interesting that these longer-term politicians are making a lot more critical fumbles, compared to Leni. It probably comes from the former being tunnel-visioned with self-interest their guiding star. A fresher, intelligent, balanced non-traditional politician has the advantage. Besides, Leni must have a really good team — guided by her, of course.
The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them.
Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master, whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. – Gustav Le Bon
Brilliant.
It is not famine, not earthquakes, not microbes, not cancer, but man himself who is man’s greatest danger to man, for the simple reason that there is no adequate protection against psychic epidemics, which are infinitely more devastating than the worst of natural catastrophes.
– Carl Jung
@Micha
“The masses have never thirsted after truth.”
Ever?
Please elaborate and specify your source of whatever truth you are referring to.
Also please share an example of what you believe is “biblical fiction.”
@i7Sharp, Why don’t you propose a clarification of the comment from your vantage point rather than demand that others try to attend to your mysteries? Cut to the chase. Speak directly.
Besides only Le Bon can answer, as it was his quote. He died in 1931.
I believe Jonah’s travails with a big fish are fiction, not as entertainment, but as a lesson. In that sense, it becomes meaningful, or a truth. And if it should be true that the fish and Jonah bonded, then the lesson is the same. So the issue is not the story or the event, but the imposition of it to condemn or recruit others. Blechhhh! I agree with Karl.
@Joe
“I believe Jonah’s travails with a big fish are fiction,”
For your consideration, Joe:
https://biblehub.com/jonah/1-17.htm
“Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah….” KJV
As Aretha Franklin sings: “I’ll take the gospel, whenever it’s poss’ble, but with a little grain of salt..”
She does refer to Jonah as well and Methuselah “but who call that livin’, when no gal is givin’ to a man with 900 years” so yes “it ain’t necessarily so”.. 🎶🎙🎶
I don’t click your links. “Use your words.”
“I don’t click your links.”
Joe to (presumably) i7sharp.
Sorry for the link. Anyway, …
“Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah….” KJV
My wife has prepared a great fish for lunch. Bangus. I’m going to swallow it.
“My wife has prepared a great fish for lunch. Bangus. I’m going to swallow it.”
“prepared”
I would let the word (“prepared”) sink in.
“swallow” is the word to let sink in.
As bangus is very bony. 😉
I’d replace it with “nibble” very carefully.
But napnap the hell out of it, as it is the most delicious fish.
Did I use that Kafamfangan word correctly, i7sharp?
Dang 17sharp,
Stop the a holery.
You know Micha is a non believer and you said your self that you have been avoiding him.(never had an exchange until recently)
Then go back to avoiding.
@Karl
“you said your self that you have been avoiding him.”
Karl, I said that?!
Please provide the link.
Really, Sharp. Let it go. You are heading for moderation at this pace. Just say “I don’t recall saying that, but I get the point, thanks.” You can’t do that?
I may have the wrong interpretation, you never recalled having the chance to talk to Micha eversince, (I may have wrongly interpreted as avoiding because you have been here since 2013 and chances are you have crossed paths)
“I have not yet tried replying to Micha. I don’t think I have ever had any exchanges with him/her,
But I am forgetful.”
Those are quotes from Gustav Le Bon and Carl Jung on the subject of mass psychosis which apparently engulfs the country as evidenced by Duterte’s approval rating of 80% plus notwithstanding the abhorrent policies and crude pronouncements.
The high approval seem to be rooted from the masses’ proclivity to deifying error, as the error of his ways does, for some strange reason, seduces them.
Those concepts are of course related to the current blog topic on anti-knowledge.
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Sorry, I am not inclined to discuss the bible at this time, so OT
Very elegant reply. Thank you.
@Micha
“Those concepts are of course related to the current blog topic on anti-knowledge.”
Micha,
“lacking knowledge” is more accurate. IMO.
Will Joe America allow me to try to substantiate that?
I sense Joe’s fingers have become very itchy to put me under moderation (again).
p.s.
To see if the negative stuff said about me are true,
let the reader go through whatever I had posted since more than seven years ago.
https://magilas.me/7-years-ago
@Sharp, You are actually a good case study for the anti-knowledge topic, Sharp. You deny accountability, as if my itchy fingers were the problem, persist in ignoring people who point out that they don’t click your links and keep putting them here because, well, because the knowledge in your head should be shared. But people have wasted time clicking already so don’t do it anymore. So the concepts in your brain don’t help anyone find knowledge. It’s all wasted energy, especially the parts where you run around challenging others to “prove it!” A total waste of intellectual capacity. No knowledge gained.
Here’s my guidance, offered to keep you here because you do show promise when you deal straight.
1. Stop posting links. Use original thought.
2. Don’t demand that others give you information. Give them information.
3. Be direct, not mysterious or challenging.
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1. Stop posting links. Use original thought.
2. Don’t demand that others give you information. Give them information.
3. Be direct, not mysterious or challenging.
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I will try to follow all above three with this:
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The “Psab9h6” appears two times, it seems, at TSoH.
In the 2nd occurrence, I came upon Sonny’s response:
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sonny says:
October 22, 2020 at 9:55 am
Whatever makes you happy, i7. Goodbye and out.
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Joe,
Did I do any infractions?
I presume I did not, so let me continue:
In the Wikipedia article about Reverend Austriaco one can find this:
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He is also the founding director of ThomisticEvolution.org, which seeks to promote a Catholic approach to understanding evolution in the light of faith.
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Yes, your infraction is consuming time and space on editorial guidelines, as if you have a bone in your throat and can’t get it out. Just write. For myself, I don’t wholly understand your point. I think efforts to reconcile science and religion are good, myself, especially when originated by the faithful.
Joe, I get the feeling i7 will not stop until we converse with him by using his Xref system as a basis for conducting a dialectic on a topic. It’s like equipping AI’s on our cars: if 2 cars meet in a fender-bender the drivers will just activate the AI’s to settle who was at fault and then automatically contact the insurance and the police and also automatically have the incident reported to the log tapes of appropriate agencies. Just IMO.
I like words that demonstrate a sincere desire to teach and learn. Doesn’t seem that hard to me.
I’m liking Fr. Austriaco more, sonny!
“In this essay, I would like to propose that the best explanation that we have today for how God created and continues to create is that God created through evolution. This is the view we are calling evolutionary creation. I will argue that He chose to do it this way because evolutionary creation better reveals His glory than other rival accounts including an account that focuses on special creation. To make this argument, I will rely heavily on the philosophical and theological wisdom of St. Thomas Aquinas, O.P., the great Doctor of the Church who lived in the thirteenth century, while also bringing it into conversation with modern science.”
https://www.thomisticevolution.org/how-do-you-think-god-created-all-the-kinds-of-living-organisms-today-when-did-he-create-them-2/
But I still prefer God’s response…
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the Book of Job
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1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (cont’d)
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1 Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said,
2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
3 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
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@Sonny
“Joe, I get the feeling i7 will not stop until we converse with him by using his Xref system as a basis for conducting a dialectic on a topic.”
When I googled TSoH for a code that I believe was “original,” I came upon the thread which I cited.
I thought it would make for a good segue to what you recently shared about Reverend Austriaco. My very little knowledge tells me the Philippines is rather “lacking knowledge” than being “anti-knowledge.”
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“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.”
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Do you know if Dr/Rev. Austriaco has said anything related to this matter.
That’s an excellent point. Broadly, across the land, I believe you are correct. It is not anti-knowledge but lack of knowledge. The problem is at the government level where institutions and officials work against knowledge by placing priority on personal advantage over the long-term well-being of people who are held back from realizing their potential to be informed and skilled. One cue is the use of propaganda to show fake achievements rather than put in the effort to make real achievements and being candid about it.
@i7
I kinda doubt the good priest (Fr Nic) will address the knowledge theme as anti-knowledge on the part of the Filipinos. Besides, Joe’s theme is couched not as an accusation but rather as a good faith assessment of what is available in their situation and need. IOW, all things being equal a decent Filipino will not choose what is bad for him but rather what is due him from the common patrimony and the right to work for his necessities.
@LC
Fr Austriaco has stated an analogy to the paleontological evidence of evolution and even the reason for the appearance of the living forms that became extinct anyway: it’s like the great Artist left evidence of his creative desire to put them on display on his universal gallery on the fossil record of this planet and in the past & present of the stars looking at them through their red & blue shifts in their Doppler echoes as fingerprints. The Book of Job is a big exclamation point to this Divine artistry on human history.
I second Joe’s suggestion. Besides, he is the owner and editor of the blog — and carries the big editor’s stick.
Kidding aside, indeed it will be a pity if some of your valuable contributions are lost for editorial reasons. The style and posting template you are using may not work as well here for you as in other discussion groups, but may not works as well here. There is the end-means matter. If the end is to share your ideas and discuss them fruitfully, then the means of delivering and soliciting responses to your ideas may need to change as Joe indicated.
Loved the Gustav Le Bon and Carl Jung quotes. Thanks.
“Psychic epidemics” would be destructive actions arising from delusions flowing forth from deceits commonly found on Fox news. Jung could read us well.
There was an opinion on Fox News last Nov., 2020. According to the author, Mr. Trump worked tirelessly to help his former home state when New York was the center of the covid epidemic .
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/covid-feud-andrew-cuomo-new-york-deroy-murdock
What’s the point? I don’t follow Fox or Trump or Cuomo. I do see Tucker Carlson in a lot of comedy shows. Those late-nighters, so left that they should be labeled Red. But that’s Republicans. American politics is so confusing. Patriots are killing people at a picnic at the capitol and anti-maskers are screaming at school kids to take off their masks. I saw a video where a bunch of angry white people were railing at someone about vaccinated people having forks sticking to their foreheads. America was a lot simpler when I was there. You shot fireworks on the 4th, saluted the troops and went to work to build something. Now they are into tearing down, I can’t keep pace. Makes no sense.
“deceits commonly found on Fox news”
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This is the issue, when both the left and the right are tearing each other. I tried to avoid biased viewpoints most of the time. Covid 19 is here to stay, exposure to it, healthy body will fight for it supposedly thereby getting immunity naturally. Those who are concerned, get inoculated , to make it mandatory by the government is questionable to most Americans. And thanks for the response Sir. I hear you loud and clear.
It’s okay for people to make their own decisions. It is not right to demonize scientists or people who listen to them. Most Americans are getting vaccines and too many unvaccinated are getting a tragic enlightenment in the ICU.
Joe that brings back memories of my time at Stanford University and Palo Alto, the university town, and the Bay Area I drive through to visit my younger brother studying in UC-Berkley and vice-versa. And yes, a stop at San Francisco’s Fishermen’s Warf and China town. Those were lovely, civilized days my friend.
Stanford is tops. Hard to get into. Even UCLA is only accepting 10% of the applicants this year. My son has a back-up plan to go to Garage U. and build a You-Tube base on gaming or war history, which he’s into.
SF is a wonderful, wonderful city. Agree.
That Garage U — with some advice from Dad — may just turn out to be the thing. It was said that a University Degree is just one convenient thing (a lazy way for the) Company Personnel assessors to use as sort of proof that the applicant is better than the other applicants. But that practice may have changed. Googling like Lance and hands-on application seems to be one viable path forward.
“You shot fireworks on the 4th, saluted the troops and went to work to build something. Now they are into tearing down, I can’t keep pace. Makes no sense.”
I’m very suspicious when oldies get to reminiscing.
Granted I was just a kid in the 80s, but if you were in the LA area in the 80s, things were not all that great, Joe & NH. NH, I’m sure 1950s or 1960s America wasn’t all that great either.
I grew up watching Charles Bronson and Oliver Stone movies, and tend to have a darker version of the past, where I think now is just peachy, at least compared to the past.
If FOX News or late night news comedy shows is what taints your view now, then what’s the difference with all of my favorite Death Wish movies?
This IMHO is the only metrics worth considering,
That’s the melting pot, you comparing that to other liberal progressive states, they don’t even come close.
It depends on where you were, south part of town or suburbs in a growing city like Denver. ’50’s were great for a suburbs kid. Deliver the papers, play baseball, swim. Later box groceries, go to drive-ins. Off to college. Girls and beer. Studies. Economy was booming. No social media. You’d hang with buddies. War brought hippies and grass. Race became an issue but we intellectuals knew how to deal with it. I married a sexy, brainy Chinese woman and learned the guitar.
Life gets serious when you have kids or the job turns south. Or someone gets sick. Or you find yourself in the army. I can’t relate to “wasn’t all that great”, looking back. Well, divorce is tough, but “it’s sunny on the other side of the pass” as my dear Dad used to say. When it’s not raining. I like my past and even the present. It’s the future that’s intimidating.
Joe, NH,
I wouldn’t rule out UC Santa Cruz, third bottom of all the UCs but the location makes up for it, just 30 minutes from Stanford too. Fresh air, lots of oxygen from trees good for the mind, , the beach, hot girls… lots of homeless too though but they don’t venture up the hill, thus can be avoided.
Good gaming and robotics program too. Interchange with Stanford.
For sure get this book. Interesting dude.
https://www.zacharyshore.com/grad-school-essentials.html
Two things I learned from those two books, 1). invest in battery companies; 2). stop eating drinking junk, soon women will pay good money for each of your tadpoles.
And in keeping with interracialization theme, I’m gonna stipulate that for each tadpole it goes to an egg farthest away from my side of the gene pool. BOOM! another PhD in Google.
Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll mention Santa Cruz to Junior. Also Santa Barbara. Talk about a party school. The reading material looks interesting but my guess is Junior will just wing it.
Only two places the CHP pedals in bicycles, Isla Vista and Sacramento. Granted UCSB is pretty safe for a party school, but its too insular, don’t see any salt of the earth types. UCSC is like UCB with UCSB but in the woods.
(that’s Monterey past the waters)
You on commission? Nice photo and description. Junior has cousins up the road by the Bay. That’s an added benefit.
“In 1986, students voted via referendum to declare the banana slug the official mascot of UCSC – a vote the chancellor refused to honor, arguing that only athletes should choose the mascot. When a poll of athletes showed that they, too, wanted to be Slugs, the chancellor relented.”
Nah, I just like slugs too.
FYI , declare this major upon application, as its very popular.
https://admissions.sa.ucsc.edu/majors/artgamemedia
“The Bachelor of Arts in Art & Design: Games & Playable Media (AGPM) is an interdisciplinary undergraduate program in the Arts Division at UCSC. The program is closely affiliated with the Bachelor of Science in Computer Science: Computer Game Design in the School of Engineering.
Students in both programs work together throughout their studies at UCSC, from foundation courses to a year-long capstone sequence that results in team creation of a releasable game. Students in AGPM obtain a degree focused on the design of game systems and other interactive experiences, including their connection to a wider arts context — with a full grounding in the fundamentals of artistic practice and expressive game development.
The foundation of the program is game making, with students in both B.A. and B.S. degrees working together to make games each year. Students also learn about the history of games, the interpretation of games and game culture, expression of ideas and creating experiences through games, and approaches to design, communication, teamwork, and artistic innovation.”
Arts at CERN is the leading art and science programme fostering the dialogue between artists and physicists.
That’s a great documentary about art at CERN (I don’t think theres a similar program at Fermilab). I can’t help but think that it is all related to gaming/design too.
https://www.scientia.global/scicomm-corner-can-art-communicate-science/
While biology, nature and space might arguably be easier to incorporate in artworks, some artists have based their work on specific areas of physics.
Xavier Cortada, a painter based in Miami, for instance, created a series of digital tapestries called In search of the Higgs boson, in collaboration with physicist Pete Markovitz. This work was produced after Cortada attended a large-scale science experiment at the CERN Laboratory in Geneva, which led to the discovery of a the Higgs boson, a fundamental particle associated with the Higgs field (i.e., a field that gives mass to other fundamental particles).
The Higgs boson was identified by the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a particle accelerator that shoots protons almost at the speed of light along a 27 km tunnel and prompts collisions between particles. The In search of the Higgs boson digital tapestries created by Cortada offer a valuable example of how art can be used to communicate important scientific achievements to a general audience in visually appealing ways.
‘It was a supremely important moment for humanity,’ Cortada told COSMOS magazine. ‘I wanted the art to mark that event at the exact location where the experiment took place. The five banners hang at the exact location of the LHC, where the Higgs boson was discovered. It is my hope that these banners will inspire future generations of physicists to continue to move humanity forward.’
I agree that for us the mathematically-challenged, the graphics that accompany the form & behavior of atomic spectra (physics, chemistry, biology) are INVALUABLE in comprehending what goes on in the Quantum world of atoms, subatomic, elementary, fundamental particles. Thank you. 🙂 🙂
Terrific! He’s both programming literate and gamer excellent. Thanks!