Power, blogging and politics

power

 

By josephivo

Introduction

A blog can have two different objectives: present how interesting the writer is, his knowledge, wit, style . . . and/or share information and thoughts to convince others.

Politics, too, can have two objectives: defensive, to strengthen oneself or one’s own party and/or offensive, to get decisions taken and achieve political objectives.

Some are good at it, some just average, some achieve the opposite of what they intend. The correct use of the available “power” is often at the core of it.

Power

The word power has many meanings. In this context, we define power as the ability to alter behavior, to make people do things they would not do on their own. Altering behavior can be done in win-win situations or in win-lose, lose-win and lose-lose situations. For the ease of discussion, let’s concentrate on win-win situations. These situations have no moral side effects.

All of us use different kinds of power in different situations, such a parents trying to change behavior of their kids. So do teachers, sales people attempting to influence customers, officers or managers instructing subordinates, politicians to make us vote for them, a pastor struggling to keep us on the a straight path . . .

Three kinds of power

Basically there are 3 kinds of power, power that is given to you from above, power that comes from yourself and power that is given to you from below.

1. Power given to you from above.

A policemen can make you stop. A policemen is given this authority. A judge can send you to jail. Parents can discipline their children, teachers can discipline their students, all within an accepted legal framework. A president can call to defend the nation. These powers comes from position and they can be coercive. “Eat with fork and spoon (knife) or else . . .” It is an easy form of power but it does not create “loyalty”. You’ll have to repeat it again and again unless your punishments can be credible and severe.

Some people take this authority power by force, e.g. having an automatic AK-47 they could force you to do something when you only having a small Swiss pocket knife. In many situations, money or the hand-out of basic necessities can provide similar powers.

2. Power coming from yourself

If we know the good arguments, we can try to persuade others. Knowledge and information are tools to influence. But convincing can be cumbersome. It is not only the message but also the timing, the style, the underlying energy . . .  many things have to be right. But when people change behavior because they support the idea, there is a much better chance for “loyalty”.

”Eat with fork and spoon because you will need it later in life, because we all eat like that, because it is more hygienic . . .” This is more time consuming and exposes your own understanding, inviting counter-arguments, but once the child is convinced, the changed behavior might last.

Apart from knowledge, the sharing of feelings or offering an experience might persuade someone.

3. Power given to you from below.

Sometimes people follow your advice not because of what you say but because of your personality. In some circumstances, they accept you as a natural leader. You are just a nice, trustworthy person. Often it is called charisma.

“I love to please mama or papa and I’ll try to eat with fork and spoon as they expect.” Easy and effective, “loyalty” assured, almost by definition. But charisma is not something you can buy. You have it or you don’t. (And it is so dangerous when the leader has ill intentions; remember Nazi-Germany?)

Celebrities thrive on it. But others confuse it with the power one gets from distributing cakes or other handouts.

Power in the Philippines

The appreciation of the different power bases is different for different people. Authoritarian regimes insist that power only can come from above. People will be brainwashed, starting at school. More democratic regimes believe that acceptance comes with understanding. They explain to the “citizen/bosses” the “what” and the “why”, freedom of information, participatory education. The type of family relations contributes, too. Cultures where only the eldest male of the (extended) family decides have a different relationship with power than cultures where all siblings are considered equal.

The Philippines has a long history of authoritarian regimes. Power as God-given to the rulers. The Rajahs, the Datus, the Spanish and Americans, Marcos, the dynasties and oligarchs. Also respect for parents and elders is almost unlimited, bless, listen what ate says . . . Power from above, power coming from position, comes natural. Repeat, do as your teacher tells, don’t question.

And because many Filipinos are “easy come, easy go”, the easy 3rd kind of power – charisma – is prominent, the unlimited sympathy for celebrities. If one is successful in sports then we adore him so much that we also accept his religious teachings, we follow his entertainment performances and we vote for him, regardless his political stance (or that of his handlers).

The second type, power coming from a good rational argument, is not accepted so well here, not understood, not taught. There is no tradition for it. Arguments are not valued on facts or correct logic. An argument is judged on who brought it, does he have authority or does he have my admiration? (to MRP, an affidavit of a powerful person is always stronger than facts; let’s collect affidavits, forget the forensics.)

Applied to this blog

I don’t know if I do want to meet the other contributors of this blog in person as it might be a distraction. It might make me accept points based on sympathy, or be impressed by their civil status, more than on the raw value of their arguments. Already, without knowing them outside the virtual, I digest some contributors faster than others. And I have to admit that sometimes a good personal fight can be entertaining.

Let this blog, after the President’s mention in his SONA, be a tool to introduce to a larger audience the power of a good argument, the power of persuasion.

Applied to the 2016 elections

Before one can rule, people have to vote for her/him. (Let’s assume it is too difficult to manipulate some Picos data transmission as it was proven in the 2010 and 2013 elections). What kind of power should the candidates use to be successful and get elected?

Roxas

Charisma for him is completely absent; trying to be the mister nice, the boy next door, the finger eating one of us. It all will fail and even back fire. Bad luck, Filipinos like to be lazy in politics, they like to follow celebrities, no questions asked.

So only “authority” and “knowledge” are left. Luckily, he has a lot of both. Good pedigree, good education, good and relevant experience. He can line up a lot of “authority” around him, a President, governors, mayors, business leaders . . . He should use this . . . “we the capable, the uncorrupt, the no bullshitting leaders of this country” . . . “we will bring you to a better world as the real enlightened Illustrados did before us.”

Copy the guts of Donald Trump, not the celebrity status. Copy the “Been there, done that, trust me”, don’t copy his hair style.

Poe

Charisma is your best asset, use it to the fullest. “My father, my great teacher”. Surround yourself with Estradas, Evangelistas, Legardas, Sotos, Lapids the list is endless. Make your choice, but careful with Escudero (a young, freshly married boy at 46?). Be the “people’s champion”, be the bigger than life hero. Not too much politics, just be present, in the media, good or bad. Go around the country, see and be seen.

Binay

Do as you always did, use coercive, paternalistic authority. People believe that you will help them individually when sick, when tuition fees have to be paid, when fiestas have to be prepared. People believe that in no time they will live in an Ayala type of condo – the squatter areas in Makati just a hiccup of history.

Be the Indio fighter, wield your bludgeon, show you can defend your fellow Indios. Show that you have more power than the other candidates.

Confuse the issues: a luxury estate is not what it looks like; it is a farm and it is not ours; disappearing aides that handled our money are not disappearing, not aides, and none of your business . . .

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Let’s hope for a good fight on content, a good debate, and long live the good argument.

Comments
191 Responses to “Power, blogging and politics”
  1. Johnny Lin says:

    Tina Turner is mad
    Miss the most important
    Power of Love😍

    • josephivo says:

      1. Love, because you have the money.
      2. Love, because you know how to use bola-bola,
      3. Love, because love is all you have.

      • Johnny Lin says:

        Love because you care
        Love because you are humble
        Love because you share
        Love because you you sacrifice
        Love because you understand
        Love because it’s Godly
        harnessing Loyalty

  2. A very timely blog, joseph. Here’s the Marine Corps’ leadership traits & principles:

      • josephivo says:

        Power as defined in the article is only one of the leadership skills.

        Leadership is a very complex, very debated subject. For me it is also very situational, I’m an adept of Paul Hersey, the navy man in the Kenneth Blanchard and Paul Hersey duo. Different leadership qualities are required in different situations. The main mission of a marine is to risk his life in fast changing combat situations, to get people doing this requires a very specific set of leadership skills. Leadership for a President is huge, being the father of the nation, an army commander, a CEO, a diplomat and most importantly a political leader.

        • “The main mission of a marine is to risk his life in fast changing combat situations, to get people doing this requires a very specific set of leadership skills.”

          josephivo,

          Here’s how Marines see it: We make Marines. We win our nation’s battles. We develop quality citizens. These are the promises the Marine Corps makes to our nation and to our Marines.”
          http://www.marines.com/history-heritage/our-purpose

          Although the first two are related, the last is actually the most important–more on this below. Combat (although hell) is quick. Training for it is also pretty straight forward. It’s not rocket science. Although Marines pride themselves in their prowess in combat roles, especially leadership, it’s the bigger picture that matters.

          Here’s former Gen. Mattis’ (USMC) take:

          “In this age, I don’t care how tactically or operationally brilliant you are, if you cannot create harmony — even vicious harmony — on the battlefield based on trust across service lines, across coalition and national lines, and across civilian/military lines, you need to go home, because your leadership is obsolete. We have got to have officers Marines who can create harmony across all those lines.” https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Mattis

          So it’s not just about combat, although there’s plenty of training and studying afforded to that endeavor. it’s all about the concept of Force Multiplier– working “by, with and through” allied and partner nations to enhance global security. That is Marine leadership–fully transferable to combat as well as disaster relief.

        • And here’s that citizenship in action– “We make Marines. We win our nation’s battles. We develop quality citizens. These are the promises the Marine Corps makes to our nation and to our Marines.”:
          https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket

  3. sigbn says:

    If POE is truly a patriot and means well for her country, she would inhibit herself from taking on the Presidency. She still needs to prepare.. perhaps 2022 elections would be something to look forward.

    Binay? never mind, that’s a T-REX

    Obviously among the 3, i’m for Roxas. He however seems to be too Mr. Nice or perhaps maybe too considerate? I mean DILG has a lot of corrupt officials lurking under their tables or inside their file cabinets, if I may.. the agency is brimming with BIG fat and slimy worms(on steroids), but surprisingly he was not able to gather a bucket or two of these night creatures and throw them into the open where the sun can suck the gold nuggets out of them!?

    He sure do works hard, but for this country to make a significant step towards development and attain sustainable economic and social success, the next leader should be Creative, Strong and Bold. Maybe even ready to sacrifice himself, and by this, I literally mean ‘SACRIFICE’, where one should be ready to break the rules and even go to jail for the sake of a meaningful Justice.

    PNoy was into (True CHANGE) it no doubt.. but somehow along the way he gave into to fear and perhaps even shed a little remorse to his country men, I did felt he mellowed down (at some point) with his anti corruption drive and even maybe the ‘will’ to make a difference..

    Indeed it was a very hard task to balance everything (politics/justice/morals/etc). And to execute concrete legal actions towards big time crooks who can hire greedy lawyers/judges/media to make a mockery of our justice system and cultural black holes..

    Nevertheless I am still hoping MAR would emerge victorious, but I hope this time, he will be the ‘ONE’.

    ***@Joe I wish you are multi-lingual (filipino, cebuano, illongo, etc), so you could reach more audience where it matters.

    • josephivo says:

      Doing, working hard is one thing. Setting the direction, having a clear vision and being able to convince others of your vision is an other thing.

      Pnoy started with wala wangwang. no privileges, extended to no rent or to a leveled playing field for all. But with the existing inequalities this became a gargantuan task so he took back a little I guess.

      • sigbn says:

        Very true, he did took a back seat. Like all mission/task.. studying, research,etc.. is the most easy task to accomplish.

        Filipinos are becoming experts on the art of Intelligent Planning and Analysis. Getting things done seems to be a foreign topic or of cultural exclusivity.

  4. Bing Garcia says:

    I’ve never met Sen. Serge nor ever interviewed him, but his is one voice I listen to when it comes to political strategy. He is a political animal who straddles the old and the new way of political campaigning. Raissa Robles

  5. NHerrera says:

    Thanks. I greatly appreciate the good read. If I may complement:

    MY FIVE I’S FOR PERSONAL AND POLITICAL POWER

    1. Innate good character
    2. Intelligence
    3. I(e)ducation — formally obtained and through one’s continues self-education beyond the formal
    4. Imagination — not easily constrained from one’s pool of knowledge, a flexible mind (as Einstein himself famously said, “Imagination is more important than knowledge”)
    5. Implementation — the ability for hard work to implement what is decided to be desirable; subsumed here is the great ability to relate to people at all levels — a very important trait.

    POWER

    From above
    – I(e)ducation
    – Intelligence as obtained from an ancestor’s DNA

    From oneself (partly obtained from “above”)
    – Innate good character
    – Imagination

    From below
    – Implementation — the ability to relate to implementers other than oneself

    • NHerrera says:

      Applied to Roxas, Poe, Binay in that order on a scale with 5 maximum

      1. Innate character–5–3–0
      2. Intelligence———4–4–4
      3. I(e)ducation——–5–3–3
      4. Imagination———3–2–3
      5. Implementation—-3–2–3

      Total measure not at all related to the SWS/ PA surveys (perhaps I am living in Planet X)

      Roxas—-20
      Poe——-14
      Binay—–13

      My bias showing, if you will.

      • edgar lores says:

        *******
        Your scoring and bias are… Insuperable.
        *****

        • NHerrera says:

          A bull’s eye comment in the phrase — insuperable scoring bias.

          The scoring is magnified — molehill differences are made mountains, especially on the first and third criteria. A value judgment or bias of insuperable scale — difficult to overcome if accurately portrayed or pure hogwash. I may have to huff and puff to defend it either way, beyond personal value judgment. A possible defense or rationalization — if I were Bill Gates setting up a company in the Philippines, deciding on a CEO from among the three, the scoring, bias notwithstanding, may make sense. In the political scene to which I originally meant it, arguable.

    • josephivo says:

      Love I(e)ducation. Formal education is important when you are young, when your brain is still saturated with the necessary chemicals to connect synapses. Adults lost this abundance of learning chemicals, they have to produce them, the best way is to be confronted with a problem. So learning for adults starts at seeing and owning problems.

      Once in Makati Binay had more solutions (money) than problems, got lazy, stopped learning. Mar playing the second violin for so long still has this huge problem of how to become the alpha male, he might still be learning. Poe is falling back on popularity, not the best stimulant. (Typical policy based evidence from my part I guess 😉

      • NHerreran says:

        Josephivo,

        After reading your blog topic again and comments below on Leadership as linked by LCpl_X (@LCpl_X) to Jim Collin’s Level 5 Leadership, I can see that there are two types of power needed:

        The First Type — persuasive/ appealing to logical arguments, charismatic/ celebrity-type, or authoritative/ coercive or combinations of these that the masa can buy — is the one needed by the Presidential wannabe to get elected as President in the 2016 Election, as you described rather well.

        The Second Type is the power to move the country forward to sustain its well being as discussed by LCpl_X (@LCpl_X) through Jim Collins Leadership research. My notes above on my 5 I’s is related more to the power associated with moving the country forward (albeit at a level of discussion a whole lot shallower than that discussed by the leadership researcher Jim Collins) — assuming we get to have a first stage success in the use of power by Roxas, Poe, or Binay. Meaning Roxas surviving the gauntlet as the preferred choice and Poe as second best.

        It is in the context of the Second Type of power that I believe — as you do — in the power of Character and Education in a wider sense, including continued self-education, work experience and the history of pains, successes and failures that to a wise man can be used to advantage. Jim Collins cited for example the case of Level 5 Leaders going through cancer survival, religious experiences as part of the background that probably influenced these Level 5 Leaders. We know that a child or teenager overprotected — nary a bruise till adulthood — do not generally make a responsible adult.

        Again, my bias tells me that Roxas among the three is the candidate closest to evolving into a Level 5 Leader.

  6. Bing Garcia says:

    “By initiating the instant suit while the criminal charges against him are pending, he obviously intends to harass and intimidate Ombudsman Morales, in the vain hope that she shares his fear of being haled to court and will cower in fear as a result. On this, however, plaintiff Binay is grossly mistaken,” it stated.

  7. chempo says:

    Mao :”Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”

    If you don’t mind I like to re-config the power bases so we can see a different perspective.

    1. Position in life : Every position in life empowers a person in certain ways .
    1.1 Power of reward — the CEO, managers, bosses, the buyers — they are the ones to dish out rewards. Everybody knows which family has been dishing out rewards in Makati City the past few decades. If someone say go to City hall now (no reason given) you get going, or no more cakes for you. I would put Johnny’s ‘power of love’ in this category — you sleep in the couch tonight Johnny hahaha
    1.2 Official powers — derived from your position, eg policeman, managers, supervisors, mayors, etc. Unfortunately, both the server and the serviced cannot differentiate the powers of the person and the position. That is why Junjun struts arround in Dasmarinas.
    1.3 Coercive powers — the other guys have no choice because you are holding the AK47, or maybe you have some dicey information on him (Before the senate hearings, according to Mercado, he was in hiding when Binay’s emissaries offerred him Php1.3 billion to shut up).

    2. The person himself :
    2.1 Expertise — personal capabilities — professional fields, experiences, leadership, etc. Purisima was the one holding all intel on the Malaysian terrorist Zulkifli Abdhir so he had the power to influence Pnoy to handle the ill-fated raid.
    2.2 Reverence — comes from charisma, reputation. We idol worship just about anyone we fancy.

    In the context of 2016 where are the candidates powers —
    1.2 and 1.3 are out.

    1.1 everyone has them. Binay is a simple man, so his ideas are always simple and straight forward. Rossaries, cakes, passalubong etc. Will they simply take the fish from Binay, or go for someone who maybe can give them the means and opportunity and knowhow to catch fishes themselves, and protect the seas for them.

    2.1 everyone claims to have this. Those who don’t have claims experience is not a pre-requisite. Which US president have experience in the Office prior to getting elected?. Binay will say his experience can be translated for the whole country (he is not saying whether the Ayalas will be given free reign in every city in the country to do the jobs for him). Will the massa say Mar is actually very experienced, done good mostly, not corrupt but I dont like Korina.

    2.2 Is this a popularity contest or what? I’ll vote Marian Riveria any time. Seriously, Binay has a damn strong place here if he chooses to play the race card. The nognog tag is a very dangerous one. Credit to Binay that he has not done that so far. The moment you play the race card, social strife follows. Make my word for it.

    • Right before my first deployment, our platoon commander handed us copies of the book titled “Good to Great” by Jim Collins. I still have that book today. He asked us to focus on Levels 1 to 2, and for those who were Corporals and above, to focus on Levels 3 to 4. But he urged all of us, no matter what we planned to do in the military or out, to strive (always strive) to become Level 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Leaders. Here’s an excerpt from an article he wrote on Level 5 Leaders–I wonder which of the 4 candidates over there embodies Level 5 Leadership traits (over here, Bernie Sanders & Ben Carson seem to):

      https://hbr.org/2005/07/level-5-leadership-the-triumph-of-humility-and-fierce-resolve

      In fact, I gave the research teams explicit instructions to downplay the role of top executives in their analyses of this question so we wouldn’t slip into the simplistic “credit the leader” or “blame the leader” thinking that is so common today.

      But Level 5 found us. Over the course of the study, research teams kept saying, “We can’t ignore the top executives even if we want to. There is something consistently unusual about them.” I would push back, arguing, “The comparison companies also had leaders. So what’s different here?” Back and forth the debate raged. Finally, as should always be the case, the data won

      Not long ago, I shared the Level 5 finding with a gathering of senior executives. A woman who had recently become chief executive of her company raised her hand. “I believe what you’ve told us about Level 5 leadership,” she said, “but I’m disturbed because I know I’m not there yet, and maybe I never will be. Part of the reason I got this job is because of my strong ego. Are you telling me that I can’t make my company great if I’m not Level 5?”

      “Let me return to the data,” I responded. “Of 1,435 companies that appeared on the Fortune 500 since 1965, only 11 made it into our study. In those 11, all of them had Level 5 leaders in key positions, including the CEO role, at the pivotal time of transition. Now, to reiterate, we’re not saying that Level 5 is the only element required for the move from good to great, but it appears to be essential.”

      She sat there, quiet for a moment, and you could guess what many people in the room were thinking.

      Finally, she raised her hand again. “Can you learn to become Level 5?” I still do not know the answer to that question. Our research, frankly, did not delve into how Level 5 leaders come to be, nor did we attempt to explain or codify the nature of their emotional lives. We speculated on the unique psychology of Level 5 leaders. Were they “guilty” of displacement—shifting their own raw ambition onto something other than themselves? Were they sublimating their egos for dark and complex reasons rooted in childhood trauma? Who knows? And perhaps more important, do the psychological roots of Level 5 leadership matter any more than do the roots of charisma or intelligence?

      The question remains: Can Level 5 be developed?

      • Joe America says:

        “Sorry I had to fire you. Want another slice of turkey?” I can’t stop laughing. Perhaps one has to understand the American Thanksgiving day dinner to understand how existential the speaker is. Modesty is the tool that allows others to rise, based upon their successes. It is the opposite of crablike envy that holds the Philippines back in way too many subtle ways.

        Thanks you for the great commentary, and the link to the article. I don’t think Level 5 can be taught in a one week seminar, or even a four year college program. There is too much intuitive to it. But one can work on the disciplines that imitate it, like learning to “let go” when delegating, either up or down.

        • I remember talking to sonny and karl about military (leadership) prep schools over there. I agree with you that Level 5 is mostly intuition, but that statement that our LT said about striving for Level 5 always, is a lesson in itself. We don’t have to teach them to become Level 5’s, but just to shoot for it. And a prep-school focused on leadership training, can build a curriculum solely around the concept of Level 5 Leadership. But the question is, are there already Level 5 types over there, and are they up for producing more leaders like them? Would they know how?

          We’ll probably have to kidnap edgar lores from where ever he’s hiding and make him headmaster of such school.

        • josephivo says:

          Very American, very focused on Fortune top 500 companies. Same for political parties, churches or for small businesses that create the jobs?

          Isn’t one of the problems that “life” is framed as a economical endeavor?

          But yes, no doubt that ambition and humility are 2 important properties. As always too much of a good property is bad, the absence of the opposite is thus bad too.

          Humility is also knowing what you don’t know, skill you don’t have and building a team to close those gaps. You can delegate everything except your ambition.

          It would be nice if the media spend some more time analyzing candidates from this perspective and not only comparing the (rigged?) betting numbers.

          • Joe America says:

            Well, we do have certain economic needs given that few of us own enough land to do our own farming, so we have to buy it. And we have to get to work, which requires transport. But the idea of living small in a wasteful world that is coming to a climate catastrophe is for sure wise, and it would be good if Level 5 people applied their skills and drive to that end. Al Gore for President.

            • edgar lores says:

              *******
              There is a need to differentiate between skill sets and character trait sets. The Level 5 traits pertain to character and not skills.

              Joseph is right in that different situations require different skill sets. A President, for example, must have some background in economics and a talent for rhetorics.

              But arguably humility and fierce resolve would be good character traits for a leader to have in any situation.
              *****

              • josephivo says:

                Don’t know If humility is most important for a frontline leader in heat of a combat. Humility is not Trumps’ strongest characteristic and he is leading the polls, made a few billions dollars more than I did. Don’t know its value in China, Italy or Egypt.

                Recognizing your “weaknesses” is important, if humility is not your strength but important, how to compensate in your team? I’m a believer of a mixed grill and cocktails, tastes can compensate and enhance. (Careful with mixing, good tasting ingredients are more often spoiled than enhanced and sugar is not the solution for everything.)

              • “Don’t know If humility is most important for a frontline leader in heat of a combat.”

                Humility is crucial. The opposite, false bravado, can be deadly. Capt. Middendorf explains it best here:

            • josephivo says:

              Why should “enjoying good company” be an economic activity, or watching a sunset, or listening to the laughter of a grandchild? Everything important is not economic and I hope that my leader will nurse those things too. Or even more, get things out of the economic sphere again, communications and friendships, courting, caring for parents, time and preparing a slow meal at home for friends….

              • The article actually mentions non-economic activities as triggers to becoming Level 5 Leaders,

                “Some of the Level 5 leaders in our study had significant life experiences that might have sparked development of the seed. Darwin Smith fully blossomed as a Level 5 after his near-death experience with cancer. Joe Cullman was profoundly affected by his World War II experiences, particularly the last-minute change of orders that took him off a doomed ship on which he surely would have died; he considered the next 60-odd years a great gift.”

                It’s basically edgar‘s point 4, below.

              • edgar lores says:

                *******
                Amen.
                *****

      • edgar lores says:

        *******
        Thanks for that. So the requirements for Level 5 are humility and a fierce resolve.

        I am picking up 3 quotes from the article that I found significant as it applies to us:

        1. “One final, yet compelling, note on our findings about Level 5: Because Level 5 leaders have ambition not for themselves but for their companies, they routinely select superb successors. Level 5 leaders want to see their companies become even more successful in the next generation and are comfortable with the idea that most people won’t even know that the roots of that success trace back to them.

        1.1. This puts me in mind of the President who may not be a Level 5 but who has exerted time and effort in selecting a successor.

        2. “My preliminary hypothesis is that there are two categories of people: those who don’t have the Level 5 seed within them and those who do. The first category consists of people who could never in a million years bring themselves to subjugate their own needs to the greater ambition of something larger and more lasting than themselves. For those people, work will always be first and foremost about what they get—the fame, fortune, power, adulation, and so on. Work will never be about what they build, create, and contribute. The great irony is that the animus and personal ambition that often drives people to become a Level 4 leader stands at odds with the humility required to rise to Level 5.”

        2.1. This puts me in mind of Binay and his needs for “fame, fortune, power and adulation”. He takes credit — “Ganito kami sa Makati” — and, as Mike Acuna has pointed out about the welfare programs in Makati, he does not give Yabut and the people of the city their due.

        (https://joeam.com/2015/08/13/the-2016-election-is-about-philippine-character-and-china/#comment-131527)

        2.2. Proud Binay displays fierce resolve in his ambition but not one iota of humility.

        2.3. The same can be said of Grace.

        2.4. Unlike these two candidates, Mar has subjugated his needs to continuity. He has said of the Daang Matuwid, “…it is worth fighting for, it is worth sacrificing for — and dying for if need be. The straight path transcends me and P-Noy”.

        3. “The second category consists of people who could evolve to Level 5; the capability resides within them, perhaps buried or ignored or simply nascent. Under the right circumstances—with self-reflection, a mentor, loving parents, a significant life experience, or other factors—the seed can begin to develop.”

        3.1. Everybody has noticed Mar’s lack of charisma. Is he possessed of humility? Some say no. Is he more humble than Binay? Indubitably. More than Grace? I’m not sure… but Grace has revealed an inflated sense of ego lately.

        3.2. It may be that humility is a proper trait for CEO’s… but never for a politician? (The article mentions this trait in Lincoln. Carter and Reagan might have had it. Mandela for a certainty had it. Cory had it, but then she was never a politician.)

        3.3. But Mar is developing a fierce resolve, an iron will. He has avowed of the straight path: “I will give my all; I will not leave anything for myself. I will leave everything on the floor for this fight.”

        ***

        4. “Successful” spiritual men, like the Dalai Lama and Francis, do possess these two essential traits. The third essential trait would be discernment (or judgement), and the fourth a bent for ethereal melodies.
        *****

    • The great irony is that the animus and personal ambition that often drives people to become a Level 4 leader stands at odds with the humility required to rise to Level 5. When you combine that irony with the fact that boards of directors frequently operate under the false belief that a larger-than-life, egocentric leader is required to make a company great, you can quickly see why Level 5 leaders rarely appear at the top of our institutions. We keep putting people in positions of power who lack the seed to become a Level 5 leader, and that is one major reason why there are so few companies that make a sustained and verifiable shift from good to great.

      • Joe America says:

        Is Warren Buffet level 5?

        • I’m not so sure on Buffett, but I think Steve Jobs is a great example of Level 4, actualizing to Level 5, based on Ed Catmull’s observations in the last part of “Creativity, Inc.”. Though he died too soon, for his companies to benefit from his Level 5 evolution as leader.

          The best part of “Creativity, Inc.” is the last pages: “Afterword: The Steve We Knew:”

          [Steve Jobs] used to say regularly that as brilliant as Apple products were, eventually they all ended up in landfills. Pixar movies, on the other hand, would live forever. He believed, as I do, that because they dig for deeper truths, our movies will endure, and he found beauty in that idea. John talks about ‘the nobility of entertaining people.’

          http://jakeseliger.com/2014/05/02/creativity-inc-overcoming-the-unseen-forces-that-stand-in-the-way-of-true-inspiration-ed-catmull-and-amy-wallace/

          There’s so many resource for developing leadership, military to corporate, what do you think of audio books over there, Joe. I know it’s been said time and time again on here that Filipinos just don’t like to read, so how about audio books?

          This is the only service I know: http://www.audible.com/

          • i7sharp says:

            LCpl_X [to JoeAm],
            “I know it’s been said time and time again on here that Filipinos just don’t like to read, so how about audio books?”
            ——-

            PMFJI.

            Besides audio books, how books (in plain-text format) residing in cards (memory cards, thumb drives, etc. – such as the ones you can see here:

            If books, etc. are made available in “bite-size,” they will most likely be read by many more people.

            In a 1-gigabyte card (which costs almost nothing), one can very, very easily put – again, in plain-text format – all the major works of Shakespeare, the Noli, the Fili, and the Bible.
            These would use up, I think, no more than 30 megabytes.
            That would leave the user 970 megabytes free space.

            Can the user put in the card itself the software that can read the files or books?
            Yes. Not only is it free but also use minimal space – less than 10 megabytes.
            With it, the reader can go from, say, Romeo and Juliet …to Macbeth … to the Noli …to John 3:16 of the Bible in seconds.

            Knowledge at one’s fingertips, literally.
            – For practically nothing, literally.
            — Faster than you can say, Ano ba ‘to?

            How’s that for a start?
            Too good to be true?

            • Joe America says:

              I think that would be a fascinating business to build and promote, but with care taken to measure the market acceptance, and probably with the early readings being more “romances” than the works you cite. There would be considerable up-front investment to hire readers (maybe even translaters) to do a set of books in Filipino that would represent the starting inventory. Frankly, I’d think a level 5 entrepreneur would make a lot of money with this project.

            • I’m not really versed in these things, but can you also do this with compressed audio files?

              • i7sharp says:

                Bohol Gutenberg site (owned by a Dutch married to a Filipina, I believe):
                http://www.bohol.ph/books.php

                Top 100 at Project Gutenberg
                http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/scores/top
                Note, for example, that No. 1, Pride and Prejudice’s file size is as small as less than 300 kilobytes. (The file is NOT compressed, by the way.)

                I am not versed on this stuff either. I just make the most of what little I know.
                I believe you can compress audio files, of course – but the resulting file size will still be very large, I guess.

                NoteTab is a text-editor and is the one I used (more than ten years ago) to create the file that contains all 47(?) major works of Shakespeare. I had gathered each one from Project Gutenberg.

                btw, …
                Imagine setting up a Yahoo! Group site for a barangay.
                You can have one up and running in, literally, less than a minute. It would initially be bare bones, of course, but you can immediately start posting to it.
                Try to take a look at how much space is allocated automatically for files, photos, etc.
                For photos, 100GB! Yes, 100 gigabytes

              • Thanks, man. The point here is that many over there find the act of deciphering words (I’m assuming also in the local languages) difficult, so it has to be audio (granted all these books may be to translated, and read in the local languages)–listening.

                I remember people use to huddle around a radio, so I know people are fine with listening over there–so let them listen to worthwhile ideas.

                I hear ya on barangay libraries being digital–text, video or audio.

      • josephivo says:

        As I set leadership is situational. A main reason for the Peter Principle. Companies in different growth stages, different economic challenges, different geographic/cultural spread… all nee different type of leaders.

    • josephivo says:

      1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 are identical with what I tries to describe in “powers from above” given to you by a “higher authority” (or taken by force)

      2.1 Is the power coming from yourself

      2.2 Reverence, charisma, reputation are given to you, they come from below.

      Think that we agree a lot.

    • “1.2 Official powers — derived from your position, eg policeman, managers, supervisors, mayors, etc. 1.3 Coercive powers — the other guys have no choice because you are holding the AK47, or maybe you have some dicey information on him.”

      On official and coercive powers, does the Philippines have this capability?

      I’m sure this has more to do with the Communist party’s monopoly on who’s making money in China, but figured this whole Philippine “Daang Matuwid” thing can use a longer reach. How would a Filipino Operation Fox Hunt look?

      Here’s the NYT article:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/us/politics/obama-administration-warns-beijing-about-agents-operating-in-us.html

      WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has delivered a warning to Beijing about the presence of Chinese government agents operating secretly in the United States to pressure prominent expatriates — some wanted in China on charges of corruption — to return home immediately, according to American officials.

      The American officials said that Chinese law enforcement agents covertly in this country are part of Beijing’s global campaign to hunt down and repatriate Chinese fugitives and, in some cases, recover allegedly ill-gotten gains.

      The Chinese government has officially named the effort Operation Fox Hunt.

      the Chinese agents are undercover operatives with the Ministry of Public Security, China’s law enforcement branch charged with carrying out Operation Fox Hunt.

      The campaign, a central element of Mr. Xi’s wider battle against corruption, has proved popular with the Chinese public. Since 2014, according to the Ministry of Public Security, more than 930 suspects have been repatriated, including more than 70 who have returned this year voluntarily, the ministry’s website reported in June. According to Chinese media accounts, teams of agents have been dispatched around the globe.

  8. Donna says:

    When Mar was Mr.Palengke, he had plenty of charisma so maybe a little bit of masa packaging thou pls dont insult the pinoy electorate we’ve become more mature just see

  9. Johnny Lin says:

    “Back to the future” is what Mar has to do to win

    Back to the future is current trend in medicine, law, technology, commerce, movies and music.

    “If you know what I mean”

    Joeam, nice blog for me to write
    Back to the Future Jubilee year with DeLorean car as picture

    He he he

    • Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

      DeLorean car is apt. DeLorean bought drugs from FBI. He got off the hook under America’s HUSTISYA MATUWID not HUSTISYA MATUWID PHILIPPINE STYLE. DELorean was entrapped.

      In the Philippines entrapment is legal under HUSTISYA MATUWID. To this day the U.P. investigators including Solita has no proof and incontrivertible evidence that Jojo pocketed overpriced Parking Structure.

      I am not pro-Binay. I am pro HUSTISYA MATUWID AMERICAN STYLE. Well Filipinos hate HUSTISYA MATUWID because it will let Jojo go free.

    • Joe America says:

      I’d welcome that, for sure.

    • chempo says:

      deLorean haha…
      Joe should write a book : On a clear day, you can see Philippines.

  10. Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

    Let us forget good pedigree, good education, charisma, Mr & Mrs Nice Guy, religious and all the good quality of a President that all Presidents of USA didn’t have. They all become drunk with power eventually indulge in corruption. From meddling in Corona’s ouster to PDAF and DAP to INC.

    Every election Block-voting INC is courted. This time Benigno is not courting INC. Benigno is threatening INC. Telegraphing his punches “If you do not block-vote for Mar, we are sending my dog deLima to investigate kidnapping” Here: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/713445/palace-backs-de-lima-in-probe-on-alleged-inc-abductions

    Well, Anti-Binays are not saying anything. It is their “son-of-a-bitch” anyways. Mar openly publicly courting Grace Kelly outside of Jollibee with cameras whirring, flash popping to the chagrin of First-Lady-in-Waiting, Korina Sanchez. No Anti-Binays screamed “illegal campaigning”. Anti-Binays charged The Binays of dilly-dallying but not hear of Trillanes dilly-dallying applying Binay Technicalities.

    It is just more of the same but this time different characters.

    There is no power in blogging. If htere was, there could have been ASEAN spring. But there is none. And politics? It is nothing just another ruse to steal from the people who are also waiting in line to steal from their neighbors.

    • Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

      Senator Bam began his speech with “… TO BE HONEST, when I was invited a few months ago to address all of you today, I was quite flattered…”

      My mother told me, DO NOT TRUST ANYONE who begins their sentence with:
      1. TO BE HONEST; Bam was not honest before, this time he is HONEST
      2. IN ALL HONESTY; It means the speaker were half-honest
      3. TRUST ME; the speaker was not trustworthy
      4. BELIEVE ME; the speaker was incredible

      Bam’s speech is honest. HIS SPEECHES BEFORE WERE NOT HONEST.

      Bam is a liar !

      • caliphman says:

        MRP, does that reflect a bias against Ateneo or favoritism for UP graduates? And if it is the latter, would your comments be more favorable if Binay an alumni was the commencement speaker? A good politician by definition is an accomplished liar, and can make his followers believe in promises he may or may not have any intention of keeping. Politics is a dirty business and you make it sound as if a lying politician is a bad thing…hehehe.

    • Joe America says:

      Thank you, Andrew. It is so refreshing to hear from someone who reflects on who we are and how we are best. When he is President, the Philippines will have arrived as having a leader superior to most.

  11. caliphman says:

    It is a paradox that intrigues me to no end. That where the real political power who will decide the next president in 2016 which is the masa or the C-D-E segment has consistently picked Roxas as the worst candidate and bloggers here and other places seem to always rank Roxas on top. What does that say about the masa and while it might be easy to dismiss them as misinformed or easily bought, the fact that whoever they choose and for whatever reason, is the duly elected and legal president of the country. What does it say about us bloggers? What can be done so that the supposedly more informed and rational choices of bloggers which I would tend to question
    are more aligned with the choices of those wield the real power to elect our presidents?Answers or suggestions anyone?

    • Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

      Who wields real power to elect our presidents? ANSWER: PHILIPPINE MEDIA. THE UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES GRADUATE-RUN PHILIPPINE MEDIA.

      The U.P.-run Philippine Media educate the Filipinos the personalities and characters of each running for mayor, Governor, Congressman, Senators and the President. Without the Philippine Media the Filipino people cannot know who to vote.

      Therefore, it is the U.P.-run Philippine Media. Not bloggers. Because those who have access to internet are busy posting their selfies and updating their Facebook and twitter accounts.

    • Joe America says:

      Democracy is founded on the principle of a well educated public, and education can come from many sources, the “Fourth Estate” or journalists prominent among them. Journalists ought to be fact-gatherers, and bloggers the analysts and fact gatherers. In reality, the “facts” gathered in the Philippine media enhance the kind of knowledge that appreciates show or popularity rather than skill. Bloggers generally start their analytics with political biases. They have no way to reach out broadly. So there is a gap in understanding. The direction ought to be to improve each element of the communication chain, awareness among the masses as to how choices really do affect them, better journalism, better analytics. All in all, I’d say the Philippines has an excellent democratic system, and there will never be perfection. Look at the US if you need proof of that.

      • caliphman says:

        http://opinion.inquirer.net/87630/at-least-he-shares-with-us

        Joe, in response to your response, I thought I might share this fact-gathering cum think piece by Solita Monsod, who like me is generally for Aquino except when we are not. Her fact? Lance Corporal X was not far off in assuming a corrupt Binay was no big deal as voters feel that most if not all politicians are corrupt anyway. In fact, Ms. Monsod goes further to say this is not only how the masa feel but it is also what rich, informed, educated people believe. Note my response to Bert a few comments down when he ponders why ABC voters prefer Binay over Mars. Not to say that the Aquino administration has not made tremendous progress in its fight against corruption. But at its very core, as our perceptive GI Joe remarked, corruption is woven into the fabric of our society, from the MTA traffic directors fleecing bus drivers, the Custom officials collecting Tara for the INC, the LP campaign fund, and the administration cabinet ministers at the very top of the food chain, to all the crooked barangay captains, town mayors, provincial governors, etc., etc., The journey of a thousand steps begins with the first step. Your so called blog analytics must factor in the other 999 steps leaves the society still wrapt in a stinking mess and the possibility that the plurality of voters may still vote for the mother of all corrupt administrations even after being informed by the media and bloggers of what they are doing. Moral of this story? There are things that still go bump in the night and its best not to count the Binayman out just yet!

        • Joe America says:

          That makes good sense. I don’t take for granted that Binay will not win. Nor do I think the battle for citizen minds is anywhere near done. My analyst extraordinaire, bookie Sal, reminds me frequently not to declare a race over until it’s run.

          • I find this analysis on South China Seas Showdown to be stressful…

            If Binay wins and follows through on these views, it would be a return to the policy preferred by Aquino’s predecessor, President Macapagal-Arroyo. Macapagal-Arroyo’s joint development plans with China were widely viewed as unconstitutional. In the face of this furor, in 2009, the Macapagal-Arroyo Administration did not renew the 2004 joint seismic study agreement signed in China covering the disputed waters. When Aquino took office in 2010, he and Foreign Secretary Albert Del Rosario quickly adopted a much firmer stance.
            (Recommended: Red Alert: The South China Sea’s New Danger Zone)

            The foreshadowing of a second reversal of Philippines policy on its maritime boundary dispute with China in two presidential terms shows how divided the Philippine political elite and their financial backers are on this issue and its place in Philippines-China relations. A second reversal in two presidential terms would rightfully reinforce views within ASEAN, and in Washington and Tokyo, about the unreliability of the flip-flopping Philippines, and would throw into doubt the wisdom of aligning their South China Sea approaches with the policy prevailing in Manila at any given moment.

            http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/new-twist-the-south-china-sea-showdown-12638

            • Joe America says:

              It is disturbing.

              I suppose the slogan could be added to Andrew’s recent blog, “A vote for Binay is a vote for bowing to China.”

            • chempo says:

              Re the 2004 seismic agreement that GMA did not renew in 2009 (due to furor over constitutionality)—
              That’s the mindset in Philippines — contracts, agreements, obligatiions, laws are never taken seriously.But foreigners do. Obviously. Phils pissed off China big time in 2009.

              What might have been — perhaps there would be great oil wealth flowing by this time, probably no 9 dash lines…

              In the blame game for China’s island grab perhaps the buck stops in the 2009 renegement of the seismic agreement — Yet another instance of legislative interference in the executive that screwed the country.

              • Joe America says:

                My interpretation is that it was not a clash of politics, but of governing systems. What choice did the Philippines have but abide by its own laws? If China cannot respect that, then it is rather difficult to pin the blame on Arroyo or opponents of Arroyo. Rather, it still lies with China, or (for theorists) with those who wrote and adopted a Constitution that prizes sovereignty. If sovereignty is irrelevant, we should just turn the government over to big business and let them reconstruct the world according to some grand commercial contract, or set of them.

              • chempo says:

                This is an interesting aspect — the ultra vires threat to constitutionality.

                In corporate transactions, a third party dealing (A) with another company (B) is not obligated to understand the powers of the directors of that company. B cannot rescind a contract with A on grounds it was ultra vires their (B’s) directors.

                If President A signs a contract with President B, A assumes that B has all the authority so to do. The onus is not on A to determine whether B in fact has the authority in accordance with the constitution of country B.

                The exception would be when Certainly company A and President A knowingly understand that they were going into an illegal undertaking with the counterparty.

                That is my understanding of the law. A layman’s understanding.

              • Joe America says:

                One can watch the current negotiations in the US Congress over the Iran Agreement crafted by President Obama’s administration. Issues go past party loyalty to religion/ethnicity (democratic Jews opposing the agreement) and affiliation with Israel. Congress has the power to nullify the agreement, or define global “laws”, in this instance. Iran has done nothing but work to develop an agreement they could live with. If the Congress approves the agreement, and circumstances roll out that Iran develops a bomb and nukes Israel, well, we can certainly be critical of the people who approved it. If the Congress does not approve the agreement, and circumstances roll out that Iran develops a bomb and nukes Israel, well, we can certainly be critical of the people who did not approve it.

                But we really ought to be critical of Iran.

              • @ chempo

                My understanding of that joint exploration deal was that it was not renewed or extended…so the contract has lapsed in 2009 and not renewed.

    • Bert says:

      Wasn’t it that in the last Pulse Asia and SWS surveys Grace Poe also leads among the class A, B, and C? If that is correct, can it be said that those classes involved in the surveys were also in the ‘misinformed’ category like the masa? Just asking.

      • caliphman says:

        Bert the proper inference there is that not only the masa which is usually associated with the lower income segments of our electorate but also those with the highest income prefer Poe as their top choice. The fact that the D tier comprises 60% of the electorate a d is considered masa is what makes the top choices of the ABC segments and the blogger community practically irrelevant

        • Bert says:

          I fully agree with you, caliphman. What is perplexing is the contention among the blogger community that the reason for Mar Roxas lagging behind the other presidential contenders in the surveys is because the great majority of voters are ‘misinformed’ when in fact the surveys also showed that even the ‘informed’ class, the ABC, does not want Roxas to be president, preferring instead Grace Poe or Binay. I don’t know what the ABC classes are seeing in Mar Roxas, in spite of his clean records in government service, that gave them this negative impression of him. I, for one, does not believe it’s the lack of charm of Mar, for the Filipino electorate, much less the ‘informed’ electorate, are not that dumb to put the fate of the nation and people on matter of charm.

          • Joe America says:

            And as some in the blogger community bemoan the misinformed among all classes, there are others who fail to recognize that time and circumstance have a way of changing things. Obstinacy is not the province of any particular group. It is a common condition.

            • jolly cruz says:

              Mr Joe, my daughter works for an NGO whose advocacy is governance in government agencies. Her work keeps her in contact with many business leaders and government agency heads. She related that during breaks in the fora that they conduct regularly, talks about the presidential candidates usually crop up. What she noticed was that the participants of these fora had nothing but praises for grace poe. That she knows what she’s talking about and that nothing in her demeanor shouts arrogance and blind ambition.

              Unfortunately, there is an endless bashing of her by the pro-Mar group. I can’t understand these actions. Is she the threat or Binay? It really is so sad. Right now they are more into bashing poe than binay.

              • Joe America says:

                I’m probably the wrong person to ask because I “bash” Senator Poe regularly. I think what happens is that people develop a hint of an idea that she is not the true and good public servant that we expected, like Jesse Robredo, but instead is a political gameplayer, as are most politicians, favoring herself over public interest. Then all subsequent acts seem to fall into line to confirm that view. My own realization formed during the Mamasapano hearing where I felt the conclusion was wholly political and the process very destructive to many institutions, including the BBL itself. Not to mention the military. I have a different idea about command responsibility of the President than does Senator Poe, and that is, there are risks attached to battle, and the Senate ought not be occupying itself with secong-guessing the Commander in Chief, but ought to be writing good laws.

                So since then, we have seen her extreme loyalty to Senator Escudero, who is roundly disliked by many for some of his deceits and shenanigans of the past (which your daughter’s colleagues may be unaware of), and her tendency to gain front page coverage, not by doing positive things like Bam Aquino, but by speaking like Binay, critical of this or that. When she rejected President Aquino’s request that she join the Roxas team as vice president, loyalists to President Aquino (myself included), felt she put herself ahead of what is obviously a win/win candidacy assuring continuation of the straight path. Self over nation.. And she appears willing to split the Roxas ticket, in favor of Binay. And had the arrogance (our perception) to suggest that the senior, experienced Roxas slide down to be her VP (as reported in papers).

                So that becomes the filter through which all deeds are seen. And, unfortunately, she continues to fit the picture well.

              • Joe America says:

                Actually, my suspicions went further back, now that I think about it, when Senator Poe attacked PNP Chief Purisima with little respect and a lot of vindictive anger. For what? Because he did not show up at her hearing when first summoned? I think she is a calculating gameplayer, myself. So others have to address your question, I think, to give you assurance that she is indeed a forthright and honest public servant.

              • jolly cruz says:

                Mr Joe your reply to my post has no reply button, So I’m replying via my own post. I think what you said are all conjecture on your part painted as it is by your preference for Mar. You already know my position vis-à-vis Pinoy. I am as yellow as you, but the Mamasapano affair is one thing that I can not let pass. That should not be the basis of your judgment of poe. Many proPinoy also did not approve of the way that `was planned and implemented.

                Secondly, apart from that Mamasapano report and Purisima’s investigation I don’t think there were other incidents wherein she could be accused of headline grabbing. She was thrust into the headlines because the surveys said that she was now the frontrunner. And because of that, issues about her citizenship and residency and being dishonest began to circulate and became newsworthy. She never asked and sought front page coverage .

                Actually it was her detractors that kept on putting her in the front pages. Why is she being accused of being a political gameplayer when she has not even announced that she will run. The pro Mar assumes that and categorizes her as unpatriotic and selfish.

                I think the bashers are the ones who are actually pushing her to run. She is just human and being so, the urge to prove her bashers wrong may just force her hand. My suggestion is for the bashers to let up with the bashing. Let her contemplate on what’s really good for the country and not to get even with those who do not believe in her honesty, integrity and competence.

                What is the bashing for ? As I have said in earlier blogs, I am for whomever can beat Binay. But the more I read the bashing, the more I feel for poe. Isn’t it enough for the pro Mar to proclaim his merits. Mar wants a clean campaign based on issues, not innuendo and mudslinging, and yet his own supporters seem not to follow his lead.

                All I can ask is for the bashers to let GP be so she can think clearly. And if she decides not to run, are you bashers willing to “eat crow”?

              • Joe America says:

                I don’t know why it is necessary to eat any crow if we are speaking forthright and not trying to win for the sake of winning, and not being deceitful. I personally wish she would help accelerate the challenges to her credentials, get approvals, run and win as vice president, then gain some executive experience and become a sterling president in 2022. She will have to run against Senator Bam Aquino, I think, who is today leading a hearing (with little support from other senators) to try to get laws passed that will bring the Philippines up to modern standards of internet services. Meanwhile, Senator Poe is along with Senator Escudero at another function. I have stopped writing about politics in the main, as I have said my pieces, and it is time to let the campaign roll without a foreigner sticking his opinions into matters. And as I said long ago in defending Grace Poe against those who want her to take a DNA test to see if she is a Marcos love child or not, that stuff is irrelevant, and she ought to be measured on her deeds.

                If one of her deeds is to cast suspicion on Mar Roxas about the challenge to her credentials, and he had nothing to do with it, then she should be measured on her poor decision-making and rash judgment on speaking on that point to the press. And she ought not complain about cyber-bullying if indeed she is willing to bully herself, in her own way. Certainly, I feel no compunction to give her a free ride if I see hypocrisy in her acts.

              • I am wondering why Poe is accusing the camp of Roxas of initiating or continuing the bashing of her. Mar is courting her as his VP candidate, why would he join in the bashing fray? As Raissa’s blog says:

                “But there is one person who must be looking with intense fascination over this latest twist : former Senator Richard Gordon (who ran under UNA) who placed 13th in the 2013 senatorial race that Poe had topped.

                If it is ruled that she did not fulfill the two-year residency requirement to run for senator, then Gordon joins the Senate!

                It may just be a happy coincidence for Gordon that Rizalito David, who recently filed the case to have her Senate victory annulled, belongs to the Ang Kapatiran Party. Kapatiran’s presidential candidate in 2010 was JC de los Reyes, nephew of former Senator Gordon. JC de los Reyes’ mom and Gordon are siblings.”

                Link: https://raissarobles.com/2015/08/18/on-rizalito-davids-disqualification-case-against-sen-grace-poe/

                Questioning her citizenship and residency is not bashing, IMHO. The constitution enumerates the qualifications required to be met for President, VP and Senate candidates. It is but proper (and not bashing) to find out if she meets all of those qualifications. Now if she can prove that she does, then all these questions will naturally stop. No need to be for her mother Susan and her sympathizers to be ultra sensitive, just go ahead and prove that she has met what the Constitution requires and file her candidacy if she ultimately decides to run.

                That’s all it is.

              • Joe America says:

                I’m starting to think that Senator Poe is actually very shallow, as far as statesmanship is concerned. It really is like having a trainee thrust into the limelight to represent the corporation, and he simply does not have the record of experiences to deal with problems gracefully. There is a hyper-sensitivity about her that I find . . . well . . . ironic, in view of the hammers she takes to people (Purisima, Aquino on Mamasapano, Roxas suspicions). Am I a bully to cite these observations?

                What would I be if I just sat quietly on them? A constructive person? Disingenuous? Fraud?

              • She is in politics, she should not have entered that part of the world if she is wary of a little criticism here and there.

                The people are free to make opinions on what they observe re the way government officials do their job. If we feel that she is too hard on PNOY and Purisima and butter soft on Binay and all the other corrupt officials, then it is our right to say so..

                We each have our own way of analyzing their moves. If we feel that she is pandering on popular sentiments fed by the unthinking media, and fails to think on her own based on the whole picture and not small parts comprising it, we have the right to express what we feel.

              • Joe America says:

                It seems to me that is the only honorable way, and that keeping quiet is not the way democracy was envisioned.

              • And it is too early in the game to conclude that it is Poe and only Poe who can beat Binay. It is only the last week of August, 2015, election is May of next year. Let’s not limit ourselves to the present front runner at the expense of going the way of those that are truly qualified and has vast experience to lead the nation. Surveys are known to change as election nears as proven in Villar’s and Mar’s (who are both front runners in P and VP positions) experience in 2010

        • Caliphman says:

          By the way, it might be of interest for many to know that even in the A-B-C segment, Binay has twice as many votes as Mar as the top choice for president, according to the June AP survey. Why is this interesting? Because if one were to guess what income segment efebloggers and online survey responders belonged to it would be in this class and not the Impoverished D class! So it would seem that the mostly proRoxas messaging being put out by blog sites are not swaying its most likely receptive audience, the more educated, higher income, internet savvy, and one would assume more rational A-B_C voter segment.

  12. “Basically there are 3 kinds of power, power that is given to you from above, power that comes from yourself and power that is given to you from below.”

    josephivo,

    I’m involved in a pretty interesting discussion with one i7sharp about Jose Rizal, here
    https://joeam.com/2015/08/13/the-2016-election-is-about-philippine-character-and-china/#comment-131537

    I’m no expert, but in the process of Googling about Rizal, I’ve become more interested on his leadership qualities and how that can be applied now to current and potential leaders over there. I’m still a big fan of your new Filipino philosophers article awhile back,
    https://joeam.com/2015/06/07/the-philippines-new-thinkers-wanted/ , and feel that the readership of this blog should attempt to find these new thinkers, or help cultivate them.

    My question, what in your estimation was Rizal’s leadership style and how can that be emulated replicated over there, today?

    • Joe America says:

      josepivo will have his own ideas, I suspect. I don’t think Rizal was a level 5 myself, for the lack of intensity of drive toward a goal. Much of the inspiration attached to him came after the fact, I believe. Rather like Jesus was not compiled into a book until 30 to 50 years after his death, and from that came the broad inspiration. The closest I see to level 5 here is Senator Bam Aquino. Humble but driven. See Andrew’s reference link: https://joeam.com/2015/08/16/power-blogging-and-politics/#comment-131522

      The whole process of promotions and awards lacks the kind of drive found in most large corporations, especially among government units. Skill is almost not in the equation. So I think the first step in building leaders is to develop the structure in which they can practice and develop and prove to others their worth. That is, a skill-based set of employment practices, and incentives. I write about this from time to time but it does not really get much traction.

      • “I don’t think Rizal was a level 5 myself, for the lack of intensity of drive toward a goal.”

        Joe,

        I thought so too, and you can track the development of my thinking on Rizal in that exchange with i7sharp.

        Thomas Paine, talked the talked and walked the walked, embodying this sentiment: “The vitality of thought is in adventure. Ideas won’t keep. Something must be done about them. When the idea is new, its custodians have fervor, live for it, and if need be, die for it.”

        Rizal was a victim of circumstance, an accidental martyr–he played it smart, he didn’t wanna die for his convictions (just yet, or in the manner it transpired).

        But I say he’s Level 5 because I think he was planning something bigger in Dapitan.

        His school for boys, I think was his revolution–no doubt same in spirit to that described in josephivo‘s New Thinkers article. He was in the process of putting his ideas into action–when he was directly implicated to the revolution, on that faithful visit to his home in Dapitan.

        I’d like to know more about his former students and what they came to be, after their time in Dapitan and their teacher’s death. What were they taught, what was the curriculum, were they groomed to be the next leaders of the Philippines?

        Like Steve Jobs, we’ll never really know, but we know (based on what Rizal wrote) that he had ideas on how to create these New Thinkers. So, did he in fact produce New Thinkers in Dapitan?

        It’s largely based on benefit of doubt, but worth exploring.

        • Joe America says:

          Yes, that sheds new light on it. For sure, my assessment is very shallow based on his hesitancy to engage with others to lead the revolution. But if his goals were different, indeed, that intensity could have been expressed in other ways. There is no question that he was a very, very special kind of global man, and Filipino through and through.

          • I somehow understand his hesitancy to engage with others to lead the revolution, I read somewhere that he thinks the Filipinos are not yet ready, that is, to fight the bullets with bolos. His target is to awaken the Filipinos from their apathy so a peaceful revolution can take place, much like the way Ninoy was able to initiate, and continued by his widow, and still being continued by their son. Today, we are not ready to fight China’s might and arms superiority, we are trying to disseminate to as many people as we can the merits of fighting China using legal means for we all do not want war and sacrifice many of our young men, nor have more widows and orphans in engaging in a war we cannot hope to win.

            • My lucid dream (thanks to sir edgar for introducing such process) is for negotiating with China on condition that she will recognize our UNCLOS based EEZ, and like what the Ayalas have done in the BFD of Makati, China to rent the portion that they tried to steal from us for a period of say, 50 years or earlier, after which the reclaimed island will be turned over to us (the Ayalas will get to own a lot of buildings in Makati, soon) on further condition that we in cooperation with and assistance of the US, will strictly monitor at all times inside and outside whatever buildings that will be put up in the islands, that no military installations will be constructed there (i.e. no aircraft carriers, nuclear armaments, STOVL choppers) just anchor for ships in trouble during storms as they try to have us believe, and that any oil explorations in the vicinity will be subject to a separate negotiation that will specify our sovereignty over our EEZ should oil be discovered underneath them, on further condition no Chinese paramilitary fishermen will be allowed to wander in our EEZ so that our fishermen will not be chased away again, ever.

              I pray to God that such lucid dream be a reality, in Jesus’ mighty name.

        • josephivo says:

          Rizal was an Illustrado, a late offspring of the enlightment that came to Spain with a long delay, he also was enticed by the German romanticism of the 10e century. He was not a politician. More a Benjamin Franklin than a Jefferson or George Washington?

          We need leaders but we need philosophers too, people thinking on (future) values, what is right and what is wrong and about the areas in between. Alice after the cat’s answering her question “where do we go from here/” with “it all depends where you want to go”!!!

          • Politics (from Greek: πολιτικός politikos, definition “of, for, or relating to citizens”) is the practice and theory of influencing other people.

            By that definition, a politician need not be voted into office, just any citizen involved in influencing fellow countrymen to this and that–promoting civic mindedness and good citizenship. So if you’ve set words on paper (or on screen) with the expressed interest of influencing others’ thoughts, it’s politics–and you’re a politician, in the broad sense of the word.

            • caliphman says:

              Not sure I agree with the Greeks. By that definition, Jesus, Mohamet, Aristotle, Hitler, and, Gautama would be among the greatest politicians who ever lived. One may disagree with the notion of civic mindedness and good citizenship and the the kind of government they were alluding to…but one of these is unlike the others and thats where the definition fails miserably.

              • “We make Marines. We win our nation’s battles. We develop quality citizens. These are the promises the Marine Corps makes to our nation and to our Marines.”

                The Greeks had a word for the person who chose not to participate in politics,

                Idiot is a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs (“person lacking professional skill”, “a private citizen”, “individual”), from ἴδιος, idios (“private”, “one’s own”). In Latin the word idiota (“ordinary person, layman”) preceded the Late Latin meaning “uneducated or ignorant person”.

                An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.

                Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), was considered dishonorable.

                So, caliphman (is caliph here Islamic? can assume that you are Muslim?), if we can agree that participating in the polis or politics is what’s expected from “quality citizens”, then I would agree that “Jesus, Mohamet, Aristotle, Hitler, and Gautama would be among the greatest politicians”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_(Aristotle)

                Although two in that list were more concerned with the immaterial world, and not the polis (I can go either way with Jesus and Buddha) but the qualities both espoused (or attempted to promote) are also consistent of being a good citizen.

                Whether, in the end, one’s beliefs that’s being promoted to the people prove harmful than good (in the case of Hitler, etc.), the point is passion in one’s convictions and the fervor (it’s promotion, whether thru evangelizing, writing, blogging, door-knocks, soap-box, debates, etc.) associated with these convictions.

                In life, you basically just have two choices, to expand outwards or to contract inwards, barring some sort of illness (autism, mental retardation, clinical depression, etc.), if you are not expanding (by the way, you can also expand inwards, see edgar lores“diagonals” below), you (universal you here, not you you) are an idiot (the way the ancient Greeks intended for this word). https://joeam.com/2015/08/16/power-blogging-and-politics/#comment-131616

              • Joe America says:

                Intellectual hermit. I think that’s what I’ll use instead of calling someone an idiot. Or intellectual isolationist. Thanks for the background on that, and for the insight on how one expands either outward or inward. The Philippines seems to be a nation with government that (on paper) drives outward and cultural values that drive inward. So in practice, the government goes corrupt.

              • caliphman says:

                I would resent very much if anyone were to bring up the etymology or an ancient meaning of the word idiot and apply it to me, Lance Corporal. I did not come here to this blog to engage in veiled personal exchanges of crudities and insults masquerading as refined or intellectual fool. I hope you are not a dimwit or buffoon in the current use of these words and neither am I. My earlier post understood in the context of the thread was pretty simple, I have problems with the ancient Greek definition of politics as its application results in in incongruous results. If you intend to make this a personal and name calling subthread, maybe it should be in another more appropriate forum, in deference to our gracious host.

              • “you (universal you here, not you you) are an idiot (the way the ancient Greeks intended for this word).”

                I assure you, caliphman, that that you is universal in every sense of the word, if I was attacking you it wouldn’t be veiled, that I assure you also (and I’m sure Joe and others can attest). You’ve not given me a reason to attack you. And your last comment I’ll write off as misunderstanding.

                Read it again. Thanks.

              • caliphman says:

                You must a problem understanding things, corporal. My responses gave been very simple and straight forward. People here dont care to be called idiot whether its in the universal or its current pejorative sense. And what does it matter if I am Mudlim or not? Did I go around going personal on you asking if lance corporal is the highest leadership rank you are able to achieve?

              • Joe America says:

                There was absolutely no personal aspersion, in my reading of it. I enjoyed the lesson.

              • My point is that I didn’t call you an idiot, caliphman.

                That’s just not my style, and you can look to my pattern of exchange here or simply get others opinion–ie. Primer, jameboy, Atilla, and Joe (who has banned me). If I attacked you, you’ll know exactly why and for what.

                As for caliphman, possibly being a Muslim pseudonym, that’s a valid ask (notice it was a friendly question). Since most Muslims in the Philippines I’ve met don’t think in terms of caliphate and only a very select few do (and they are very worrisome). So I was just curious.

                And I’ll have you know that without LCPLs, the US Marine Corps would not work–it would cease to be the force that it is–so in a manner of speaking, it is the highest rank (and you can ask LTs to Generals this and they’ll agree 110%).

                Again, if I called you an idiot, you’d know exactly why (but I don’t call people idiots, so take solace). I’ve accused people of being slippery (jameboy), of being shady (Primer), and of being racist (Atilla), but will never accuse anyone of idiocy (both personal or universal, current usage or ancient Greek, sense of the word).

                You probably just read the word and had a visceral reaction to it–that was the point, ie. citizenship vs. idiocy, showing the difference in response to your comment. Again I assure you it wasn’t meant for you personally. Take it or leave it.

              • This mis-understanding may just be amor propio,

        • i7sharp says:

          @LCpl_X,
          Let me segue to here from where we left off,
          http://j.mp/ja-rizal-paine
          if only because the comments in the other thread is getting close to 400
          and my Acer Switch 10 hybrid is getting technically challenged by their volume.

          Let us touch a bit on the “power” or influence of Paine vis-a-vis Rizal.
          What work by Paine was translated into different languages?
          This one, below, by Rizal was … into at least 30 languages.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi_%C3%BAltimo_adi%C3%B3s#Translations

          As to Rizal’s influence, when you get to the Wikipedia site, please click on the link to “Sa Aking Mga Kababata” to learn a bit more about Rizal during earlier periods of his life.

          In this thread on “power,” let me touch also on Joe America’s notion of the Philippines as “center of the world” – and also tell you of my religious affilliation (because you asked).

          Let me repeat that Rudolf Virchow – mentioned in the other thread – was apparently impressed with Dr. Jose Rizal.

          These other two impressive personalities would most likely be impressed, too, with Rizal:
          1. Lancelot Andrewes – the leader of the King James translators and said to have known 21 languages.

          2. Richard Wurmbrand – who has been called the “St. Paul of the Iron Curtain” and said, here, in a U.S. Congressional testimony
          http://j.mp/i7rw-us
          that he knew 14 languages.

          Had these two known about Rizal and his last hours, they would probably say the Philippines can be called the center of the world – if only to honor Rizal.
          They probably would not doubt he really could have known 22 languages.

          Levity aside, let me say I hope and pray I am a Christian (just like Andrewes and Wurmbrand clearly were). Saved by grace, through faith, the faith of Jesus Christ – and can look forward to living in “the new heavens and the new earth.”
          Isaiah 66:22 KJV

          btw, to them, “power from above” would be power from God. I think.

          i7sharp

          • “What work by Paine was translated into different languages?”

            Paine’s three books have been translated to major European languages, now whether that happened then or now, I’m not so sure.

            Re “Mi Ultimo Adios”, I don’t know if you’re some sort of Lit. major or poet, but just reading it in English, for me it’s very unoriginal (keep in mind I’m no Lit. guy) it’s full of platitudes and honestly, quite trite–so, I’m still trying to figure out how it’s influential (or revolutionary), what ideas there are new & original?

            Now his novels, I know are still read in Cuba–they carry weight. But again, The Atlantic revolutions had already happened, hence Rizal’s anti-Spain and anti-Catholic church didn’t really play much role in Spanish Americas. As Spanish literature, maybe it represents great work, I don’t know.

            “This one, below, by Rizal was … into at least 30 languages.”

            As for the 30 language translations on that list, what’s the context here? ie., is this poem taught in schools? recited at the beginning of class? are non-Filipinos taken by the poem itself, the rhyme & meter, or the ideas presented, if so which ideas–like I said, it’s pretty cliche, nothing in that poem is revolutionary.

            So that 30 languages, w/out context, and especially without attributions, ie. were they translated by mere bloggers, newspapers, textbooks, etc. doesn’t really point to influence, it just simply means it’s been translated (by whom, why and for what, that’s unknown). I’m interested in how it’s used, how it’s made some sort of difference, not just the fact that it’s been translated.

            The three books by Paine, were in US, England and France (his books can be read in French, as well as Spanish), he was in all three countries to promote the ideas in his books, societal change happened as a result, hence “proof” of influence.

            “to them, “power from above” would be power from God.”

            But I can see how the poem (Mi Ultimo Adios) can be interpreted as Christian, with words such as God, redemption, faith, cross, mystery, pray, etc.–again, it’s poetry so interpretations can differ (ie. I don’t see anything Christian in that poem, had he been Indian he would’ve used metaphors and images that reflected Indian culture).

            But is the influence you’re speaking of merely in the concept of Christian salvation, or do you mean something more? If it’s just Christian salvation, then you’ve just demoted Rizal into some accidental pastor–and sadly, they are a dime a dozen.

            So, to me, Rizal’s still not on par with Thomas Paine.

            please click on the link to “Sa Aking Mga Kababata”

            I don’t mind checking out Wiki links, but when stuff like this appears,

            “There is no evidence, however, to support authorship by Rizal and several historians now believe it to be a hoax.”

            I wonder why it’s being shared. But I read the poem in English, and again, it’s nothing mind blowing, so what was the point here? It’s saying Tagalog is the same as Latin and English and Spanish, but languages are part and parcel of cultures, if one’s to compare languages, then you kinda have to compare cultures and their accomplishments.

            So it makes sense that Rizal didn’t write this poem, the guy wrote in Spanish forchrisakes! Wouldn’t this qualify as hypocrisy? (if he did pen this poem?)

            “They probably would not doubt he really could have known 22 languages.”

            I’m not doubting that there are people who know 22 languages, I’m doubting Rizal’s proficiency in those 22 languages because Rizal has been made into an idol by Filipinos, meaning stuff goes unquestioned, hence works like “To My Fellow Youth” (Rizal knowing 22 languages) becomes part of the myth–with no one questioning the authorship, more importantly the quality of the work.

            By making him into some kind of myth, you’re effective rendering him unimportant–this is precisely why not too many people in the Philippines know more about Rizal. You’ve taken out the curiosity and transplanted a religion in his place.

            “I am a Christian”

            I know you’re Christian, I’m asking what organization specifically, the Iglesia ni Christo? Evangelical? Catholic? Lutheran? I think you’re more Evangelical, the Evangelicals we have over here tend to like all these Old Testament stuff and seed faith (are you familiar with seed faith?):

            • i7sharp says:

              @LCpl_X,
              Please note what exactly I had written:
              “I hope and pray I am a Christian (just like Andrewes and Wurmbrand clearly were). Saved by grace, through faith, the faith of Jesus Christ …”

              I try to be as precise as possible – to preclude or minimize confusion or misunderstanding.
              btw, I don’t expect you to note the preposition “of” in the phrase “the faith of Jesus Christ.” It is one of the subtleties that, IMO, most people miss. Perhaps at an appropriate time,I can touch on this “of” again.

              I am not a member (much less a leader) of any church. I do assist in Sunday School, though, at a church which would frown on my stand on the King James Bible … and the 7th-day Sabbath.

              No, I do not know about “seed faith” nor have, afaik, seen or heard any teaching of John Oliver.

              btw, as you may know by now, I quote the Bible a lot.
              Let me say this:
              1. I do not have any formal religious training, do not know the original languages the Bible was written in, have not seen so-called visions or heard so-called voices from God.
              2. I do not claim to know the Bible a lot. I just share at every opportunity what little I know when opportunity arises – for, hopefully, the edification of others.

              Let me disabuse you of your apparent thinking that I idolize Dr. Rizal.
              If I should idolize anyone it would probably be Richard Wurmbrand if only because I, providentially?, got to know him personally, closely, and have convinced myself of his authenticity.
              So, no, I do not idolize Richard, either.

              We have different ways of looking at things, needless to say.
              When I asked you to check the link, Sa Aking Mga Kabata, I had already known what you later found out, (btw, thanks for taking the time to read it.)
              I wanted you to read it because despite the misattirbution, I believe the rest of the article and the links in it can give you an idea of Jose Rizal during earlier periods – and perhaps spur you to see in comparison how Paine was in the same periods of his life.

              It does not really detract from Rizal’s genius or character if you do not like or are impressed with his swan song.
              Afaik, it was written during his last hours. I think we have to consider that factor.

              Of course, I could be wrong, even very wrong, that Rizal died Christian.
              Only God knows.
              He died with great composure (pulse was found normal).
              He imitated Christ with his last words, “It is finished.” (in English)
              Given all I know (albeit little) about him – his integrity, his character, his intellect – and his spending time on the Bible in his last hours – I cannot come to any conclusion other than that he was saved, thus Christian.
              His being saved is, to me, what makes all the difference.

              “For what shall it profit a man …”
              http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Mark-8-36/

              Thus, with all due respect to you, all things considered, I must say Rizal was better than Paine.

            • “Perhaps at an appropriate time,I can touch on this “of” again.”

              That’s definitely a technicality I want to explore further, but enough to confirm that you are an evangelical-type Christian, ie. I know for sure now you’re no Episcopalian or Lutheran or Catholic.

              If you remember josephivo’s New Thinkers article, this is my stance on Abrahamic religions over there,

              https://joeam.com/2015/06/07/the-philippines-new-thinkers-wanted/#comment-123537

              “I do not know about “seed faith” nor have, afaik, seen or heard any teaching of John Oliver.”

              John Oliver’s is an HBO news satire and seed faith is the basis of televangelism–a very lucrative racket over here, which small evangelical churches are now replicating. Keep an eye out for it.

              “Let me disabuse you of your apparent thinking that I idolize Dr. Rizal.”

              I spoke to a handful of Filipinos over there who have concluded, with varying convictions, that Rizal was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Others seem to think that Rizal was the smartest man who ever lived and are surprised why not too many Westerners know of him.

              So I’m using idolize here, as religious, ie. idolatry and also simply as overpraise. I do however feel that your views of Rizal fits more with the first group, maybe not quite the same but the difference is more in degrees than type.

              “I must say Rizal was better than Paine… His being saved is, to me, what makes all the difference.”

              Hence, your view and value of Rizal rests more on the Christian salvation aspect of his story. That’s where the problem lies vis-a-vis the rise of the Philippines.

              Again, we are playing the I’m “saved”, you’re “not” game–one we can play with other characters throughout history, like Gandhi vs. Rizal (who I would argue did more, where Rizal was more of an academic figure, whose travels were more personal in scope. Gandhi’s movement is closer to what Jesus did; where Rizal’s movement is closer to Mark Twain’s or Spinoza’s– he wrote and he made lenses, talked to people, but that was the extent).

              Again the metrics here is the idea and its spread. We haven’t yet even determined Rizal’s ideas (new, original, revolutionary) to gauge the spread. Keep that in mind.

              “It does not really detract from Rizal’s genius or character if you do not like or are impressed with his swan song.”

              I don’t think he was much of a poet, but in other facets he definitely excelled–I don’t dispute that. And that’s what’s at issue here.

              Instead of Filipinos exploring his other more pronounced undertakings (arguably can aid in the reconstitution of the Philippines), people over there are content with 22 languages and his swan song–and him being saved.

              Filipinos love the occult.

              I’ve traveled around, and I have never seen more superstitious people. On one hand it’s endearing (I love folklore, I’ve read Greek, Celtic, Norse myths, all now relegated to storybooks, but in the Philippines you guys still actually believe in elves, giants, monsters, magical items, etc, hence endearing), but

              on the other hand (especially when we talk about politics & nation building), I can only conclude that this propensity for magical thinking is stultifying.

              Your take on the occult (the supernatural world) is more in line with the majority of Filipinos over there (in varying degrees). Compared, to say edgar‘s (who I’ve engaged with at depth on this subject) whose take is more encompassing, but more importantly objective in its trajectory.

              So my only one question (in two parts) in this exchange is,

              How does the fact (in your mind) that Rizal was “saved” suppose to 1). better our understanding of Rizal and 2). foster other such minds (ie. doctor, iconoclast, traveler, etc.) in the Philippines?

              Focus on that question.

              “He died with great composure (pulse was found normal).”

              Wasn’t he a swordsman? Wasn’t he involved in duels? I’m more convinced that his composure came from living a certain kind of life that closer resembles the values of the Romans (classical paintings), who basically just took these from the Greeks, which came direct from them being Illustrados when they were in Europe (so not necessarily Christian, again they were late products of the Enlightenment),

              http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/03/11/got-thumos/

    • Jean says:

      I like Sonny Angara over Bam, I think Sonny is a man on a mission.

  13. Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

    Who is not campaigning in the guise of looking for a VP?

    Not Grace Kelly. She can make or break any presidential aspirant. She is just a lady in waiting to the highest bidder. If sheasks for a VP, they’d be walking on their knees before her throne.
    Not Duterte. He said he’ll run if popularity raitng of Binay goes south
    Definitely not BINAY. He is absolutely not looking for a VP. No chatter and rustle from Inquirer. They have to keep their mouth shut. They have been sued by Binay.

    The noisiest of all, looking for a VP is …… do I have to tell you all? Mar Roxas. He went to Jollibee al fresco stopping all patrons if they wanted to run VP for him. That is what I see from Inquirer’s picture.

  14. chempo says:

    Getting back to the track of power and 2016.

    Seems there is a general consensus that the C/D class are not inclined towards Mar for whatever reasons. We should therefore ask not what is the power of the candidates, but what is the power of the C/D class.

    Is that the power of coercion? — much like infants who throws tantrums knowing that they will get what they want by doing so?. Then Binay gets it right — just dish out cakes et el. Infants don’t think 6 years ahead, baby want what baby wants now!

    • Johnny Lin says:

      Mar Poe
      Will it be sealed soon?

      Will it be announced in Pangasinan, hometown of FPJ on his birthday?
      Abangan!

  15. edgar lores says:

    *******
    Just a little note.

    Joseph has established that powers is exerted from 3 directions — above, within, and below.

    I’m thinking we should add a fourth direction — from the sides. This would be power given to you from your equals.

    “Eat with spoon and fork because we are sharing a meal.” (Or “Eat with your hand because this is a boodle-fight.)

    Then there’s the left side and the right side in the political spectrum.

    And there’s the front side — love? — and the back side — which could be an encouraging pat or a stab.

    Finally, there are diagonals — which could be power given from unexpected sources? In the context of Joseph’s definition that “power is the ability to alter behavior”, I am thinking medicine, psychedelic drugs and non-hallucinogens, psychic powers, and rising consciousness.
    *****

    • “I am thinking medicine, psychedelic drugs and non-hallucinogens, psychic powers, and rising consciousness.”

      You don’t have to get too exotic here, edgar, simple fasting, yoga, long distance running, tantric sex, and spinning around like the Dervishes, will do just fine.

      Or choose what Jesus/John the Baptist recommended, confirmed by Sramanic tradition, self-awareness thru austerity.

      Humility is a by-product of self-awareness, so that connects back to Level 5 Leadership.

      • edgar,

        Are you familiar with 1st and 2nd sleep, ie. sleep patterns, listen here, skip to 4:4039 : http://www.npr.org/2012/08/13/158584243/dreamland-uncovers-science-of-odd-sleeping-habits

        But it’s basically this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_sleep “David K. Randall discusses how during the nocturnal waking period of a segmented sleep the hormone prolactin is released, along with other physiological changes. Prolactin is released with the relaxation that accompanies orgasm.”

        Orgasm aside, people used to spend this time between 1st and 2nd sleep, doing something creative–writing, composing, thinking, making, etc.

        • edgar lores says:

          LCpl_X,

          Sorry, no, I was not familiar with segmented sleep; I may have encountered it before in my readings. For what it’s worth:

          1. I do take siestas in the afternoon more or less regularly. I find that this gives me peace in my moods and clarity in my thinking throughout the evening.

          2. I depend on my subconscious in sleep to “solve” problems. I developed this habit in my past career in IT when faced with intricate demands in analysis and design. I do use the habit to solve real-life problems, as in “let me sleep on it.”

          2.1. I use it now to arrive at my comments. Sometimes, when I wake up an “angle” of entry is suggested. At other times, the comments come up full-blown, with phrasings and arguments “enumerated”, and at times already couched in elegant language.

          2.2. You will note JoeAm publishes at night (in Oz time). I do read the posts immediately, but my comments will appear the following day… after my consultation with the subconscious. With this blog of Josephivo’s, my subconscious came up empty. This happens sometimes. When it does, my point of entry, my trigger, would be another commenter’s post. (Apropos to the subject of power here, I am using the comments of others as a jumper cable… to get my engine running.)

          2.3. The thing is there is a lag time between my waking thoughts and the time I hit the keyboard. There’s ablutions, breakfasts, and chores to take care of. The upshot is that I forget many of the phrasings and arguments gifted to me in sleep.

          2.4. I do not write down and publish all my relevant thoughts… lest you be inundated.

          3. So there you have it: little do you know but if you do argue with me… you are arguing with my subconscious (s)elves.
          *****

          • 2. I depend on my subconscious in sleep to “solve” problems. I developed this habit in my past career in IT when faced with intricate demands in analysis and design.

            I’m familiar with the virtues of power naps, and I take them where ever I can, but this sleeping to come up with solutions to intricate problems, is all new to me.

            Can you go into how you do this? Do you will yourself to “solve” problems right before closing your eyes? How do you remember the solutions? These days, when I initially wake I remember my dreams, but a couple seconds after awakening, poooof! I forget–just evaporates.

            The last time I remembered my dreams was when I was on ship and my rack was on the very bottom so the rocking was really pronounced–I’d not had better sleep since. But I don’t remember solving any problems with ’em. Thanks, man, would really wanna hear more on this.

            • edgar lores says:

              *******
              Oh, there’s no “method” to letting the subconscious solve problems.

              Naturally, when you are involved with an intricate problem, you consciously try to think of all logical approaches to solve it. You look at it frontally, posteriorly, laterally, top-down, and bottom-up. However, a solution might not be forthcoming.

              Thinking — rational intelligence — is limited, circumscribed like the circle of light from a flashlight. And overthinking narrows the limits, usually focusing the mind to the bright center. A breakthrough is often required. This is where insight intelligence comes in. Continuing the metaphor of the flashlight, insight intelligence is like shifting from dull incandescent to LED. (Bolt of lightning might be better.)

              Insight intelligence comes from “nowhere”. In Buddhism, one can develop it under insight meditation (vipassana). But for us mere mortals, insight can come externally from an inspiration or internally from a quiescent mind. For me, this is where sleep comes in.

              As a method, I do sometimes pose the question that the problem represents to my mind before I sleep. Nowadays, I read a blog and fancifully and humorously ask, “I wonder what my subconscious will come up with?” And — voila! — the answer is usually there as I wake up. Note that the waking process may be prolonged. The mind is active way before I open my eyes and get up. And in those moments of semi-sleep with the mind floating and free from active direction, the insights spring and bloom.

              Remembering is not a problem, at least not the core insight(s), because you are no longer in the dream state. But as I said, I do disremember certain key phrases and points.
              *****

              • Joe America says:

                I am a great believer of the subconscious and its extraordinary powers. I once composed a symphony in my sleep, and I can’t read music. I learned long ago that if one has a particularly vivid dream, it should be written down upon awakening to aid recollection in the morning. Then it can be dissected to grasp emotions and interrelationships between people and events. My best ideas for blogs occur between 3 and 4 in the morning.

              • Thanks, guys. So I guess the main take away here is that it’s mostly habit (wish I had known about this in high school). I’ll give it a go.

              • edgar lores says:

                *******
                Er… the takeaway is insight intelligence, creative intelligence.
                *****

              • No, no… I know it’s insight (creative) intelligence, I get that, I’m just saying it seems there’s no set way do perform this, hence repetition–’til it’s habit. Will attempt.

      • Joe America says:

        I think I am learning more about leadership in this thread than I did in all the management courses my company sent me to over 30 years.

        • caliphman says:

          Good to Great was just the start. Professor Jim Collins followed it up with Built to Last co-authored by Jerry Porras, legendary Stanford professor on developing managers. Collins put out two other sequels, How the Mighty Fall and Great by Choice. These follow on texts address whether great dealers can be developed and whether they can fall from grace. Its easier reading once the concepts become familiar from the early books.

    • josephivo says:

      Yes Edgar,

      Yes, how could I forget one of my favorites? The power of drugs. Long time ago my ex-mother in law had to undergo brain surgery. As they had to cut the main artery the brain had to be saturated with oxygen beforehand, so the day before she got medicine to do just that and medicine to reduce her anxiety. Wow, what a different women this created, my worrisome, mostly bad tempered mother in law was full of laughter, funny and optimistic about the operation (that was successful) Since than I realize how little we are who we are, just a few pills and you become the opposite of your usual self.

      Rice coated with the proper medicine and people will crave for little dark elderly leader in a ridiculous boys uniform, eating with his fingers.

  16. Bing Garcia says:

    Ombudsman Morales, please file the plunder charges against Binay.

    • COA audit on Housing agencies he headed concurrently while he is the VP has not been completed. Charges of plunder when he was Makati Mayor should be filed at once, but then a candidate charged with plunder will not disqualify him to be a presidential candidate, unless a great miracle in the snail-paced courts will happen that will convict him in October, 2015 or even before May, 2016.

      Sigh.

  17. I find it funny how the Manila Times and its reader base keep defending Binay with relatively weak arguments. I mean, it’s okay to be in the opposition, but when you’re defending the symbol of corruption in this country, then something seems to be very wrong. Note that the Times is owned by a former Arroyo government official(?). Even The Star has more integrity: even though a large portion of The Star’s reader base is anti-Aquino, even they want to stay as far away from Binay as possible, to the point that when pro-Binay columnists such as Avila, Chanco, Magno, etc. write, their Disqus comments sections are flooded with complaints. Sadly, Star’s pro-Aquino columnist (Efren Cruz) isn’t much better when it comes to excellence in ideas.

    • nielsky says:

      Does it mean that in the face of traditional media, newspapers in particular, Binay enjoys the upperhand per the observations you just mentioned? Is the reason for this not readable from what the pro-Binay columnists delve upon on their respective columns? Thus, Manila Times and Phil Star could be said to be pro-Binay?

      In the case of Efren Cruz, did he fail to articulate a pro-Aquino stand on his columns? If so, why do you think he failed to articulate other than saying his ideas are not excellent?

      What then are the more important parameters on how to side with who? Do you think people defend Binay because they tolerate or countenance corruption in this country? Binay was mayor until 2010 – a good 5 or so years ago now – but became vice president, beating Mar.

      It came too late in the day when Binay was cast as a ‘symbol of corruption’ with the charges against him not even settled yet. Will that be a wrong and inappropriate way of looking at things? Are we not to wait until the final judgement on whether or not he plundered would have been issued?

      Meanwhile, what about the little orgies of corruption that took and taking place in some of our line departments? Manila Times seems to know from where they speak. Am no Binay apologist but one who wants to be educated on exactly whether or not one who has never been charged of a similar crime throughout his term as mayor as when he was and is a vice president, will now be a symbol of corruption when the whole process is yet to turn full circle?

      Remember the opening of the second envelope, in the case of Erap?

      • Cruz is pro-Aquno but the quality of his columns aren’t much better from Avila’s, Sison’s, etc. He is not a worthy replacement for the late Billy Esposo, who together with Boo Chanco (at least until some time last year) were arguably the last of the Star’s good columnists.

        • Joe America says:

          Boo Chanco is a mystery to me. It was like, overnight, he became a bitter Aquino critic and lost any sense of higher judgment.

          • The thing about Boo is that he used to be (in my opinion) the Star’s best columnist. He was like the Star’s equivalent of Peter Wallace. His insights, especially on the sad state of the DOTC’s projects, were very enlightening. But then, at some point last year, he suddenly began openly supporting Binay, which was so unpopular that came to the point that many of his former fans are now complaining on Disqus. As for the Star itself, its quality began to decline virtually the day P-Noy came into power. Back during PGMA’s time the columnists had a lot of good ideas and solutions, even Bobit Avila, who at the time was mainly reporting on events in Cebu rather than being the far-right lackey he is today. As Johnny Lin mentioned below, I have the feeling that many of these columnists have become, for a lack of a better term, bitter about the current administration’s performance, given that some of these columnists (such as Avila, Magno, Pascual, and Pedrosa) were given positions during PGMA’s term. Esposo was pro-Aquino but what I liked about him is that he wasn’t always happy with the administration and gave constructive criticisms when needed, similar to Winnie Monsod these days. Some have said that the Star’s decline really began with the death of Max Soliven many years ago, but honestly it wasn’t really that bad until recently.

            Also, it’s interesting to note the lack of consistency among some of their columnists, particularly Avila. Back in 2013, he was pro-UNA, then suddenly he was anti-Binay, but now he seems to be back to being pro-Binay.

            • Joe America says:

              The bitterness of personal aspirations dashed. It’s like there is no journalistic integrity at all among this bunch. They use their positions of public expression to assuage their poor little hurt feelings, to get even, to throw a temper tantrum that lasts for years. I note it is the same driving force behind the anti bloggers such as Get Real Post and even Ellen Tordesillas. Personal anger drives public commentary. Zero professional integrity. They are the same as people who steal taxpayer money, because they steal the truth.

          • Actually, there’s a reason why I don’t like Cruz: he’s too uncritical.

      • Johnny Lin says:

        @nielsky
        What @mami is implying, how in the world these columnists love to defend a corrupt man, not only but also his entire family? Why they fight for him him to be president and bash Aquino who is fighting corruption? Known by many these columnists have benefitted thru corruption during GMA and lost their opportunity during Aquino term that’s why they want Binay to be president because they know he is corrupt and they can go back to their old ways.

        That is the parameter if people reading the post of @mami don’t understand the rationale.

        By the way, you never answered my question to you in previous blog and you never contradicted that you ever accepted freebies while working in Congress and you are sounding like Binay everytime you post attacking Aquino.

        • Johnny Lin says:

          Yung magnanakaw sa gobyerno, ang depensa nila parati. Hindi pako convicted paano ninyo napatunayan na magnanakaw ako.

          Pero ayaw buksan ang libreta sa bangko bakit sila nagkarun ng milyon milyon piso pati mga anak, at ang depensa Meron daw bank secrecy law. Depensa ng magnanakaw yun.

          Isa pang pruweba na magnanakaw, hindi nilahad ang tagong yaman sa SALN nila. Pag tinanong, di raw nila maintindihan ang SALN, kagaya ni Corona at Binay.

          • Johnny Lin says:

            Ganito magnanakaw Si Binay. Ang declared assets niya sa ngayon ay 60 million pesos. Bawat anak niya Meron at least 35 million pesos assets na total ay 105 milyon pesos. Total assets nila 165 million pesos.

            Pala gay natin ang sweldo ni Binay bilang mayor 100,000 a month buhat 1987- 2010.

            27 years x12= 324 months x 100,000 = 32,400,000 million pesos.

            Yung 100,000 pesos a month sweldo NAPAKALAKI NUN SA 1987 hangga ngayon kahit sa Makati pa,

            Kung kumita lamang 32. 4 milyon pesos sa 27 taon, Saan galing yung gatos para sa pamilya sa araw araw. Maliliit pa anak niya nung 1987, nagaaral pa sila kaya walang income nun. Ibig sabihin ni Binay naipon niya 32 milyon pesos na walang ginastos kahit Isang kusing sa pamilya. Lumaki mga anak niya nagtrabaho lamang sa gobyerno.

            Tanong: SAAN GALING YUNG 165 milyon pesos asset kung nagtrabaho Lang sa gobyerno.

            Dun daw negosyo sa babuyan. Ayaw naman pakita income tax returns ng babuyan at ng mga anak. Talagang KABABUYAN.

            Yung nagdepende kay bayaran na Abogado at yung hindi pa bayaran dating magnanakaw sa gobyerno ni GMA at gustong mag presidente si Binay dahil akala makapagnakaw na naman sila

        • nielsky says:

          Please don’t step on other’s foot as to have to speak for Mami who is an intelligent girl and can take care of herself. You cannot be everybody’s spokesperson for to do so, you grab the initiative for them to respond. In fact, am in full agreement with Mami on her short retort (i.e. on Boo Chanco). Do you even listen to Boo Chanco in his FB? Take some notes from the guy, who knows?

          We cannot proceed having to interpret everything said here in a strangely oblique way if only to sell our own ideas stained in bad faith to outright tend to shame a man who wears a different colored lens.

          Have time to go over again what I just said then approach it point by point and stop throwing in the field grand dogmas like – “columnists benefited thru corruption during GMA …”

          You are on for a rude awakening clueless how the vote will flow. If I were you who support a particular Mar for his president, I would undertake to outline even just four respectable areas where Mar has done a good job, a good job – that cannot be rebutted. For instance, the cake in the case of Binay and the cake now by his successor is enmeshed in an even more objectionable circumstances, bidding process if you will. Isn’t that the mark of PNoy’s ‘Daang Matuwid’?

          If we can share a common ground on how to fight corruption, let us do it as fast as we can. I will be in full support. Try not to shame people like me who worked in Congress. Before you know it, it’s respectable working in the Philippine legislature in the area of public policy, my field. As to freebies, ABSOLUTELY NONE.

          I hope to have answered your question thereby putting your case to rest.

          .

          • Nielksy, Mami is a guy, who had a crush on Mami Kawada

            • And I agree with sir edgar when he said that this is a forum…

            • He is still a very young man, still a student, I believe or just a new graduate, a very fine specimen of what the youth should be, quite involved and aware. MKL, may your tribe increase.

              • Johnny Lin says:

                Nielsky:
                Are you saying I could not elaborate on @Mami post because you either could not understand the premise or distorted it to justify your point. Do you understand the meaning of FORUM?

                With your sequence of posts it’s more of total lack of understandings. You’re not wearing a different color lens either, you’re spectacle is broken and crooked from your position. A house with bad foundation will never be erected structurally fit, if you know what this means. You are on denial, the way you write your postings that is why they impart confusing sense to you.

                Top columnists in Manila Times, Tiglao and Tatad with corrupt history in GMA time. Tatad has been paid under the table as consultant of Binay after rejection by Aquino boys while Tiglao was fired as Ambassador by Aquino despite request to be retained.

                Daan Matuwid is about fighting corruption, if you don’t understand it, which is the cancer wasting illness of the nation and people.

                Binay is looking like. the most honest govt worker, the way Nielsky wrote with tongue in cheeks. FREEBIES-ABSOLUTELY NONE while working as COS with Congressmen. Maybe Nielsky is speaking the truth, he did not receive FREEBIES, only COMMISSIONS from PORK. Just like asking the signer of driver license in LTO answering, no BRIBES at all.

                and Primer/Nielsky wants to join the fight on of PNoy corruption when from the very start he has been bashing Aquino’s Daan Matuwid.

                His blog “2015 post SONA” revealed true identity, character, past and future.

                told you I’m an analyst by profession
                He he he!

              • Johnny Lin says:

                Nielsky
                By the way, working in Congress or anywhere is not only a noble profession but also a dignified and respectable employment. Likewise working in any government offices. Problem is the attitude and character of people who tend to stain the dignity and integrity of the offices with corruption. During GMA tine, looking for non corrupt people was like searching for a needle in a haystack. Aquino tried to decrease the odds thru transparent hay and you were distorting its significance and achievements.

              • nielsky says:

                @johnny lin,

                Oh yes, don’t worry, it doesn’t remotely read like one [“told you I’m an analyst by profession He he he!” (johnny lin)].

          • I agree “it’s respectable working in the Philippine legislature in the area of public policy, your field” And we will take your word for “As to freebies, ABSOLUTELY NONE.”

            What we wonder about is your decision to justify Binay’s (and the rest of them) actions and double talk. We find it hard to swallow what those columnists that MKL has mentioned are spouting in their columns which sounds very very similar to what your are posting here. We are at a loss because from our view points, the line is very clear as it was since Marcos’ days – we are against thievery and plunders, lies and manipulations to achieve their evil deeds in such magnitude scale they did that you cannot justify by saying others are doing it even in a lesser degree, without specifying the deed and naming who did them.

            It’s a clear fight against good and evil, as simple as that. All other things must follow from that line, some minor imperfections in the manner of fighting notwithstanding.

            And please don’t accuse me of speaking for Johnny or Mami, this is a forum after all, It’s just me sharing my 2 centavos worth of opinion, unless Joe decides to tell us refrain from doing so, that this should always be a one on one conversation.

            • And pardon me if I conclude, much to my chagrin, it seems to me that you and the rest of your group are gloating in the perception that some (hopefully not all) voters will still choose Binay and the rest of the UNA candidates even if they know that they are corrupt. Truly stressful and disturbing.

      • Joe America says:

        @nielsky, “. . . what about the little orgies of corruption that took and taking place in some of our line departments.” What cases are you referring to? This to me is a kind of unsubstantiated slanderous statement. You need to cite the specifics because there may be a context to it that makes the charge absolutely false. Like the charges of corruption against Abad, on DAP. No one has shown that Abad gained personally in any way from the DAP program. What, specifically, are you talking about. Kindly name the names and their ill deeds.

  18. Bert says:

    Break time, joke time:

    Ate Vi’s fans = Vilmanians

    Ate Guy’s fans = Noranians

    Binay’s fans = Binayarans

  19. Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

    Mar and Benigno’s dirty tricksters are let loose against Grace Kelly. They are using Binay-defense the very defense that should not be used by Binays

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/713638/poe-to-roxas-is-lp-behind-rizalito-david

    Now, I get it. They did not want to use HUSTISYA “MATUWID” because if they did, they wouldn’t have a defense to use it.

    It is MAD. Mutually Assured Defense. Mar will be more of the same. Absolutely, all Presidents in the future will be more of the same if they cannot know how to apply HUSTISYA MATUWID.

  20. Mariano Renato Pacifico says:

    Tabloid Philippine Daily Inquirer is pitting most sought after presidential contender Grace Poe against the anointed one, Mar Roxas.

    DAY BEFORE, Mar was in Jollibee signing up petition for Poe to be his political wife.

    YESTERDAY, it said Mar may consider Vilma Santos

    Poe told Liberal Party, Benigno and Mar TODAY, “Don’t wait for me, LP” from the song “Don’t Wait for me Argentina”.

    TOMORROW LP, Benigno and Mar says to Poe, “We have enough of your childish tantrum”

    DAY AFTER, All hell breaks loose.

    AND THE WINNER? Of course, Tabloid Philippine Daily Inquirer! INCREASE IN CIRCULATION! More advertisement. More money.

    AND THE LOSER? As usual, the FILIPINOS.

  21. Speaking of blogging, what do you guys think of this piece?

    http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/2015/08/noynoy-aquino-is-the-worst-president-the-philippines-ever-had/#comment-1274039

    I want Joe’s opinion the most here because the author’s view of the President and his administration is quite the opposite of yours.

    Get Real also doesn’t seem to have the same restraint when it comes to civil conversation in its comment section, with participants using such terms as “noytards” to describe supporters of the President.

    • Joe America says:

      I’ve written several pieces about GRP in the past. You can do a search on the home page to find the articles (use “Get Real Post”). The writers at GRP generally push agenda, and it is one of bitterness and complaint. I’ve stopped visiting or writing about them as I find the comments to be repetitive, angry, one-way conversations (all talk, no listen) that reinforce the site’s agenda, with absolutely no room for a positive view of the Philippines or President Aquino. They are largely irrelevant as to what is going on in the Philippines, I think. Everyone knows they are not really analysts or interested in building anything at all. They will claim they are, but being so dismissive and critical of people with a different view clearly shows they are not open-minded. You can’t find the best solutions without being open-minded.

      • Joe America says:

        I basically tailor my site to be the opposite of GRP, to foster civil conversation, to encourage listening and speaking, to focus on the positive as the best way to promote and build a strong, rich Philippines, and to look for solutions, not just problems. You’d have to ask neutral observers which site they think contributes most to the well-being of the nation. I think we do good work here.

        • hackguhaseo says:

          Yeah, I thought that was the case. I was hoping that there was room for conversation there but the site is only interested in reinforcing their twisted views

          • jameboy says:

            hackguhaseo, I read your exchanges with Ilda where she called herself a “pundit”. How can a one-issue, one-view who writes in a troll’s blog call herself a pundit?

            There are a lot of rooms for conversation in GRP, mostly their own kind of conversation. 🙂

      • jameboy says:

        I agree with everything you said about the GRP, Joe. All who writes there, from benign0 to Ilda to the regular posters have one simple agenda: to spew hate and whine and berate the leadership of the government no matter what. When resting front doing that they resort to ridicule and insult Filipinos for being the worst people in the world.

        I tell you, I have not seen a blog dominated by so much trolls. And what’s funny is that when you disagrees with them you are branded as a troll. When they cannot get themselves out of the argument they will delete your comment and your right to post for good. I know because I’ve experienced it. I’ve engaged benigno, Ilda and the rest of the trolls there and you know what, they can’t hack it.

        They simply cannot take someone disagreeing with the crap they say.

        You’re fine when you agree with them but the moment you express a direct opposition to their usual vitriolic attacks style, you’re gone. To guarantee your stay there as member or writer, you have to agree with benign0’s style and idea specially with Ilda who always make it a point to praise and express appreciation with those who agrees with her but will arrogantly slam and delete you when you express an opposite view.

        The Get Real people cannot even go out and write in other blogs and push their ideas because the years of being protected and pampered by benign0 has rendered them weak and inutile to engage in fruitful and animated discussion. They have become super balat-sibuyas (onion-skinned). They simply cannot stand hearing/reading from another source ideas that they do not have or don’t want to have.

        The never-ending criticisms and constant attacks and insults they make on every article everyday have no silver lining attach to it. It’s just pure negativity and destruction. No wisdom, no relevant recommendation, no decent analysis or objective prognosis. Just pure hate. In other words, they have nothing to offer in return.

        You are right, Joe, the GRP people are not open-minded. And that is so because benign0 make sure they don’t have that kind of thinking nor possess an independent mind. He wants them to think, talk and behave exactly like him.

        Their constant whining and insecure demeanor through all-barks-and-no-bites have made them Chihuahuas of the cyberspace. 😎

      • caliphman says:

        I could say that about the denizens at the RR site where an antiPoe and proRoxas bias is the seeming price of membership. The main difference beween GRP and RR is the latter blog owners’ articles I have usually the utmost regard for in terms of objectivity, proof of relevant facts, and rock solid logic. Just my opinion but I like it here inspite of the same political biases because the views and exchanges typically are more in depth and have more content than the same biased rhetoric.

        • Joe America says:

          I enjoy Raissa’s blog but wish she would write more articles. Each article offers a re-set in the discussion to get away from patterned conversations and repeating biases. The thing that distinguishes the discussion here is that people generally lead by listening, trying to learn new things, and THEN speaking. GRP was hostile speak, for me, because my views differed. So if I expressed them, I was met with hostility. Here, even differing views are generally accorded respect . . . up to the point that the listening in either direction ends. That is rare.

          • caliphman says:

            Joe, RR does have to eke out a living nand so that limits the extent of her participation and supervision of blogger comments, the choice and frequency of the articles she writes, and the layout and organization or lack of it which is very confusing to occasional as well as regular visitors. I used to visit GRP when it was new and both husband and wife were the only writers, because as cynical as anarchistic as they want to portray themselves to be, the two are quite bright and wrote very insightful, sardonic, and quite funny pieces about the contradictions within our culture, society and way of life that make it uniquely Filipino. Your particular experience at their site is quite regrettable and completely unnecessary and if your presence was not welcome, the unrelenting and onesided diatribe by its regular members would have driven you away as it did me from the other site. We used to have the most viscious knockdown fights there if you recall, the point of which was not to understand what was being said and why but to browbeat and discourage the other from expressing unwanted views. In all my time there, I have never seen anyone ejected, muted, or banned from the site including the many trolls, crazies, or pseudo hackers who regularly pay a visit. Instead browbeating by the owners assisted by regulars seems the time-honored way of dealing with this situation, but apparently not at GRP.

            I wish the couple would guest write an article here to explain and defend their views on Aquino. i for one would be interested in listening to whatever rational criticisms they might have apart from labeling him a mindless noytard imbecile and other meaningless and unsupported insults.

            • Joe America says:

              I actually enjoyed Benigno’s comments from the days of Filipino Voices. He’s a very bright guy. I’ve never understood what the “upside” is for the site. Is it ad money? To have a platform to support their candidate in 2016? The glee of beating dead horses with sticks? I’ve always found Ilda a little too snide for my liking, and her arguments patently simplistic, one-sided, yet arrogant for their “punditry”.

              It is easy to do an article critical of the Aquino administration. Favoritism, stubbornness, failure to achieve goals (rice self sufficiency, poverty reduction, eradication of corruption at LGU’s). It is easy to do a favorable article. Debt ratings, climbing on indexes around the world, arbitration filing, BBL solution for peace, infrastructure investments making good use of PPPs. It’s harder to do an assessment that will bear the test of history because we don’t know if he did enough to push voters toward achieving a vision of a progressive Philippines that will give them more opportunity. That is, a popular pride in the Philippines. That’s a bit of a miss, I think.

              • caliphman says:

                Joe, its very difficult to give a bad grade to the Aquino administration when the benchmark is what other presidents have done in comparison and not what he promised during and immediately after the election. Ms. Monsod has laid out the outline for that conversation in her recent piece. Pinoy’s shortcomings are well known and acknowledged. Most significantly his families and friends exceptions to his Daang Matuwid policy. What is not pointed out usually and which you just did is what I consider his other biggest failing. Every CEO or senior department head as part of his is required to do succession planning. This was not done and if he was too busy attending to Mamasapano or other crisis, it should have been delegated to a very select task force including LP heads and advisors. For far too long, Binay was sitting at the top of the survey heap. Was he even considering of just anointing him and risk disaster for the country and his legacy? That is why the election situation is so messed up and Mar and the Liberal Party are engaged in a Mission Impossible type undertaking. If Aquino had not accomplished so much, no one mighr care about succesdion planning, but he did, and that precisely is the problem!

              • Joe America says:

                It is also hard to measure people against perfection, or American corporate standards, when the Philippine government, as an enterprise, has been run pretty much on the back of an envelope, with a new envelope appearing each election. I think succession planning will become a part of the discipline if the methods that Mr. Aquino DID put into place are continued: the statement of objectives and targets in simple, numerical terms. Then actually USING them to measure progress. Financials laid out on the table for anyone to follow so that multiple eyes can help restrain poor expenses or corrupt deeds. This MBO is so critically important to stop being reactive and start building the future into goals and work. Succession planning is an important way to deal with the future and as sophistication develops, it will be there, I’m sure.

              • jameboy says:

                “What is not pointed out usually and which you just did is what I consider his other biggest failing. Every CEO or senior department head as part of his is required to do succession planning. This was not done…..”
                ========
                I think that view missed a lot of events that transpired which exactly supports the idea that succession planning has long been settled and sealed by the president as to who is best to continue the plans and programs he started and further enhance and promote what has been accomplished by his administration.

                Clearly, when Mar Roxas decided to slide down to VP in 2010, anyone worth his salt to call himself a political pundit or even a casual political observer have rightfully concluded that he would be the next in line. His ascension as the DILG secretary is another proof that PNoy was not just filing up a position vacated by a very popular and effective secretary but was actually positioning Roxas to be in a vantage position when the proper time comes. I even surmised that Roxas’ ‘exclusion’ from the Mamasapano planning and execution was made to protect him from the unexpected political fallout if something wrong happens which it did.

                We also have to understand, the president is a good friend to VP Binay. While he may not be in favor of the VP’s plan to run for the presidency he does not want to risk being called a political snake by making moves meant to push aside or weaken the VP out of contention. The corruption charges are already doing its work against Binay. No need to overplay it.

                Another event suggesting that the succession planning has been dealt with was when PNoy several meetings in the last two months, prior to his announcing his official nominee for the presidency, with another presidential wannabe Grace Poe. It has been seen as the president’s effort to convince the lady senator to run as Roxas’ veep.

                Bottom line, the president is spot on and right on target on the issue of succession. 💩

        • jolly cruz says:

          @caliphman

          Spot on, in every aspect.

          • caliphman says:

            I have to disagree, jameboy. The reason why it took so long for Pinoy and the LP to endorse a candidate is that Roxas is just plain unpopular and has poor winning chances against Poe and Binay. As I mentioned this has been apparent to Aquino, the LP, and Roxas for quite a long time now. Inspite of that, they are stuck in essentially the same predicament. They are trying to compensate by trying to get a VP candidate for Roxas who has the appeal with the masa that he does not have and still have the character defects Binay has. Its just not going to fix the problem which is the presidential candidate must first and foremost must be able to get the votes of the D and E electorate who comprise 90% of the voters and then pass muster with LP party priorities or whatever deals Pinoy may have struck privately or publicly. Admittedly this is a difficult task but there certainly was a lot of time to work on it that was just frittered way. What is most likely to happen now is this failure in succession planning will be a presidential ballot victory for either Poe or Binay and if the LP is lucky a winning VP candidate if they field one who the masa likes. This is just the reality of Philippine politics although one can be in denial and claim it should notbe so. It is what it is and that is all there is to it.

            • jameboy says:

              I have to disagree, jameboy. The reason why IT TOOK SO LONG for Pinoy and the LP to endorse a candidate is that Roxas is just plain unpopular and has poor winning chances against Poe and Binay. As I mentioned this has been apparent to Aquino, the LP, and Roxas for quite a long time now. Inspite of that, they are stuck in essentially the same predicament. They are trying to compensate by trying to get a VP candidate for Roxas who has the appeal with the masa that he does not have and still have the character defects Binay has.
              ==========
              TAKING SO LONG TO ENDORSE a candidate is different from NOT HAVING A CHOICE in mind. Those are two different situations. The first (time) was a strategy while the second (choice) was the decision. The picking has long been decided. It was only the matter of time (endorsing) that was left hanging because of the predicament (unpopularity) of the choice.

              In fact, you tacitly admitted above that Roxas, though less popular than Binay and Poe, was the party’s choice and as such they are trying to recruit a VP that would compensate the downside. And that, convincing Poe, took them so long.

              Bottom line, Roxas’ endorsement by PNoy surprised no one. It would have been a shock for everybody had he chose Poe or BInay or whoever other than Mar. 😎

              • caliphman says:

                This is how I see it. Its a simple 3 part process: Choices, decision, and endorsement. The third and last of which is final, conclusive and observable. I am only concerning myself with the third which, with all due respect, is what I consider relevant.

              • jameboy says:

                The three-part process you just mentioned is actually parts of a sequence of a single act. Let me explain why I differ with your view.

                The choice was the decision that ended up in endorsement.

                Mar Roxas was the CHOICE the party DECIDED to agree on and the ENDORSEMENT of which was subsequently made known to the public. All are relevant because all are interconnected. You cannot simply have one and expect to make sense. 👲

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