VP Inday Sara and Carl Jung (and the Collective Unconscious in the Philippines)
Analysis and opinion
By Lance Corporal X
Disclaimer: I’ve only watched a bunch of youtube videos on Carl Jung and his depth psychology, so if you’re experiencing psychosis or mental breakdown call 911 and don’t read any further. This is just my interpretation of Carl Jung’s idea, applied to Philippine politics going towards the 2028 presidential election. This is not medical advice. Proceed with caution. We’re going to be talking about mind blowing stuff here.
VP Inday Sara held a press conference last month, where she described cutting PBBM’s head off after not giving his watch to some PMA cadet who asked for it. If that wasn’t crazy enough, she topped it off with promising to exhume the remains of PBBM’s father from his resting place in some big deal heroes’ cemetery in the Philippines. Carl Jung would turn in his grave. Not for fear of Inday Sara maybe exhuming his body as well, but because these are the very symbols that Jung talked about. Inday Sara is talking his language, archetypes from the collective unconscious. But before we get to that I have to explain some of my personal archetypes. These women pictured below represent archetypes that speak to my own unconscious: The Mother, The Sage, The Innocent, The Hero and The Orphan. All powerful archetypes, we all are drawn to for sure.
I first wrote about Inday Sara back in 2021. I was channeling my Lover archetype then, seeing her as a Hero, my hero who punches her way through injustice. here: https://joeam.com/2021/05/13/viewpoints-inday-sara-for-president/ (13 May 2021). Then when she decided to run as second fiddle to BBM, my Caring archetype turned on and made me write a warning to her to beware of BBM, this will not end well I said , as well as pleading to the Pinks to reach out to the Inday Sara faction to vote for a LENI-SARA tandem, which I think fell on deaf ears, here: https://joeam.com/2021/12/13/sara-all-how-bbm-will-fall-2022/ (13 December 2021). So dismayed was I , that when Joe informed me she was now diminishing in the polls, my Victim archetype turned on and tears just ran down my face. So when I heard about her secret visit to former VP Leni in Naga, my heart burst forth and I wrote this article a couple months back, not really saying I told you so, but more like we can do this VP Sara, at least now you’re back in the fight now, Laban! which I’m sure is another archetype. here: https://joeam.com/2024/09/26/vp-leni-and-vp-sara-for-2028/ (26 September 2024).
Encouraged by Joe’s words that he liked the article upon second and third reading, I decided to make this a series to coincide or parallel Joe’s plans for the blog towards 2028, but I didn’t know exactly what to write. Until Joey mocked the Phoenix Lights incident, which I took personally so I guess the Vengeance archetype reared its ugly head from my unconscious. So I decided to write about Plasma Consciousness and UFOs, and connected it to the Philippine economy, and psychics, and how IMEE-LENI-SARA-(and RISA) are actually coming together to become the opposition. read here: https://joeam.com/2024/10/17/vp-inday-sara-and-the-jinn-or-ufos-the-oppositions-new-grand-narrative/ (17 October 2024). I guess while I was trying to toot my own horn and sharing this latest article on Twitter, one of my hashtag UFO Twitter mutuals messaged me to say look into Carl Jung. I’ve always thought of Freud and Jung like Batman and Robin. Turns out Carl Jung is actually OP more like Doctor Manhattan. He is truly next level. And I do think it’s connected to Plasma Consciousness, but for this blog I think we’ll just stick to Carl Jung.
We need a Villain. Liza Marcos is it. Her son’s too cute to be our villain for now, but she’s making money moves right now that will ensure the Philippines will be ruled by her three sons. That’s a whole generation! So she needs to be stopped. Joe thinks Makabayan and Pinks working together is that opposition. Well I’m thinking it has to be individuals. Namely, IMEE-LENI-SARA-RISA-DELIMA. And I’ll explain why below while going through Carl Jung’s theory of reality. The Mind is all we need. Because the Philippine Collective Unconscious is our target here. We leverage that, and 2028 will be ours.
Let’s begin. Carl Jung agreed with Sigmund Freud. There’s Conscious and then there’s Unconscious. Then in the middle of that all is the Ego, which serves as gatekeeper and how you can differentiate between “reality” of your 5 senses and what’s beyond those senses. Everyone has an Ego, some stronger than others. Easy enough. Let’s keep going…
Archetypes, Carl Jung, said was a language of symbols that the Unconscious uses to communicate with your Brain– your 5 senses mind. Here are three archetypes closest to your Ego. The Persona is an archetype. If you’re conscious of it and know full well that it’s a mask you wear for this and that occasion then it’s just like your clothes or uniform. But for some, the Persona archetype stems from the unconscious and the Ego mistakes it for itself. And that’s when psychosis etc. happens. The next closest personal archetype is the Anima/Animus which is if you’re female you’ll have a male archetype and vice versa, hence the XY/XX. Much of the LGBTQplus stuff is genetic, but there’s some that’s either choice or some sort of rewiring happens after trauma, like rape or sexual abuse, eg. a guy that got rape will end up becoming more feminine XX archetype awakens or takes over. Or maybe as Joey’s prone to say I am not understanding this correctly. To which I would agree. But that’s I think how Anima/Animus archetype operates. I could be wrong. The Shadow is all your regrets, that turn into resentment and like Yoda said Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to Suffering, then after that you’re pretty much screwed for life. So embrace your Shadow, and your Anima/Animus, and your Persona, that’s Carl Jung’s advice. Become whole.
But where Freud stopped only in the Personal Unconscious, like Freudian slip and penis envy and such silly stuff. Carl Jung actually goes deeper. And this is where he diverged from Freud. There’s something Deeper he said, which he calls the Collective Unconscious. And there’s more Archetypes to be found down there. Those three personal archetypes tend to be crafted from your own memories and lived (or unlived, eg. regrets) experiences. The Archetypes found in the Collective Unconscious are much older, and independent of your mind. Which suggests another Consciousness. But we won’t get into that.
Those green circles below represent the myriad of Archetypes found in the Collective Unconscious. Those things are mercurial, literally like liquid mercury, they can be individual drops or can join or separate from each other. If you Google Jung’s archetypes you’ll get the Twelve Archetypes, but those 12 have their opposites, so a Hero archetype can just as easily become the Villain archetype, then merge with the Lover archetype whose opposite would be the Hater archetype, and so on and so forth. Carl Jung says there’s infinite archetypes which have their own symbols. Both Personal and Collective Unconscious reach out to you via dreams, usually when you’re sleeping but in Day Dreams too when awake or say driving a car, when you pull into the garage and you forgot how you got there. You were Day Dreaming! Dreams is how you access it and how it accesses you.
So these Archetypes bubble up to your consciousness, and if you have a weak Ego, they’ll just by-pass you and cross that line. Let’s say that dark green circle Archetype is Desire (below), and it sees that Star in the Conscious realm. I dunno let’s say that’s Mango Ave. or chocolate, well that Archetype if left unattended or unrecognized will reach out and grab that Star. And if that Archetype merges with the Archetype Addiction then it’s going to be a downward spiral. I’ve not seen anything on youtube connecting this to Split Personality Disorder (now called Dissociative Identity Disorder) but if you can imagine more stars and more of those back and forth arrows and more Archetypes reaching out into the world of our 5 senses, then it’s kinda like that. Like that movie “Split” with Anya Taylor Joy and James McAvoy.
That SELF though is the ultimate Archetype according to Jung, that’s your potential if you’re able to consolidate all archetypes under your control, thus becoming whole which is the whole point of these archetypes. It’s kinda like Pokemon, you gotta catch ’em all. But that SELF is a mystery to Carl Jung, because if that SELF is in the Collective Unconscious then that means we all belong to that SELF. We share it. But again that’s going too far down the rabbit hole.
Let’s return to the 5 women now, who’ll be our opposition for 2028. Because Liza, our Villain archetype, is scheming right now to oust any opposition to her vision. She’ll pick them off one by one. Probably saving Imee for dessert last. But right now she’s got VP Inday Sara in a pincer, the very budget PBBM approved for her according to their agreement is now being weaponized against her for her coming impeachment. Liza is smart. If VP Inday Sara is impeached, then Liza will find another opposition individual and get rid of her. Maybe Risa is next. Then Delima. One by one, like a sniper. And no one even suspects her. But we know. This is why IMEE-LENI-SARA-RISA-DELIMA have to come together. Individually, I don’t think they can defeat Liza. But together, they can ensure that all three of Liza’s sons just stick to DJ’ing for parties. Leave the running of the country to the professional women. Fuck Sandro and his cute smile.
Active imagination is how Carl Jung described his method of accessing and communing with the Collective Unconscious, as well as the various Archetypes. Individuation is the goal. Which is becoming whole with your Archetypes. In Active Imagination, you’re supposed to sit in a quiet place and let your Unconscious bubble forth and offer you an image. Whatever image presents itself , you’re supposed to hold it and converse with it. Then from there the Unconscious leads you to whatever issues it thinks needs addressing. This is crazy stuff, I know, but clinical studies done with Psychedelics back in the 60s and lately now, talk about the same thing that when you are under psychedelics whatever vision or image presents itself even if it’s real scary and causes you distress you’re supposed to just follow where it leads you. I don’t think Carl Jung ever did psychedelics, but LSD was discovered in the same town he lived. So who knows.
Our opposition women can reach individuation, which is the point of learning about and connecting and recognizing your archetypes. Essentially, becoming whole themselves. Reaching transcendence or at least come close to it. IMEE-LENI-SARA-RISA-DELIMA can then interface as equals or as part of the SELF (in yellow). I included Joeam and D5’s brother too in the graph below as possible nudgers towards what Jung called The Transcendent Function represented by those arrows. In Carl Jung’s own words: “There is nothing mysterious or metaphysical about the term ‘transcendent function’. It means a psychological function comparable in its own way to the mathematical function of the same name, which is a function of real and imaginary numbers. The psychological ‘transcendent function’ arises from the union of the conscious and unconscious contents.” But this part’s probably too transcendent for us all. Though there’s something about that SELF that’s very interesting to me. Carl Jung himself said the goal’s actually too far, but the process itself the striving towards becoming whole is good enough.
I’m sure our five women can do this. Even if we cannot ourselves. Because they are collectively our Archetypes: The Mother, The Sage, The Innocent, The Hero and The Orphan. So now it’s up to Joe to send this blog to D5’s brother to see if Delima is game. And if Delima’s game, then she can convince Risa to join the opposition also. And become The Five. Who’ll save the Philippines.
Let’s go back to the conscious level and try to figure out what VP Inday Sara was trying to say about cutting PBBM’s head off and exhuming his dad’s remains. Which at first glance seem unhinged, but not really it was all calculated a message sent using Carl Jung’s Archetypes. Because Imee didn’t mind it at all. Sandro felt compelled to address it, which was weak sauce. His dad I’m sure is proud of his little fighter. Liza’s probably thinking, God you’re not giving me a lot to work with here. And then Imee’s son gave a more diplomatic response, which I’m sure was okayed by Imee. Leni and Sara still have not talked about their Naga meeting amidst all this. Which is weird. But they know what they’re doing, and Liza’s probably sending feelers out as we speak, eg. what are those ladies up to? I feel like telling her, You don’t know depth psychology, lady, they’re consolidating in the SELF.
Now for the imagery and symbols VP Inday Sara used. It is simple. They were meant to reach out to Police and Military personnel. That not only is PBBM mata pobre which she added in that press conference, but that he doesn’t know the job. The watch which her father freely gave, and PBBM not only refused to but felt compelled to embarrass the cadet, signals to the troops that their president is weak. The cutting of head was just the cherry on top. She’s channelling the Warrior archetype when sharing this imagery. That’s connected to the exhumation imagery, because the Warrior archetype is closely related to the archetype for Loyalty. Because it was her family that allowed PBBM’s dad to be buried there. So mata pobre is the opposite of warrior and traitor is the opposite of utang na loob. All symbols, metaphors, to communicate to the D&E Filipinos’ Archetypes. They understand this.
Liza is in for a big surprise. But since Carl Jung is all about becoming whole. Individuals becoming whole. Families becoming whole. About countries and societies becoming whole. I’m sure IMEE-LENI-SARA-RISA-DELIMA can welcome The Villain archetype into the fold. Where she can become the Jester archetype. Then she can force her sons to just DJ for the party, make merry no need to seek higher office, and the Philippines will be in better hands come 2028. That’s how you create an opposition, Joe. Carl Jung would be proud, and we’ll just sit back and relax come 2028 with IMEE-LENI-SARA-RISA-DELIMA-LIZA at the helm. It’s about consolidating your Archetypes.
I made those charts myself. It’s how I understood this Carl Jung and his take on the Psyche stuff. But there’s a bunch of graphs on the Jungian psyche online, this one in particular I really liked:
(from: https://www.mathiesonart.co.uk/blog/the-collective-unconscious )
(Just imagine looking down a deep well, and then realize that water you see there (in dark grey) is a far wider and deeper aquifer. And that’s pretty much depth psychology. Where that water actually connects is the mystery.)
The Society of Honor by Joe America 
https://democratic-erosion.org/2024/05/23/the-pink-movement-restoring-or-polarizing-democracy-in-the-philippines/
Excerpts.
The people of the movement, coming from different sectors and socioeconomic classes, resembled a pluralistic society that welcomes diversity of beliefs, interests, and opinions. Every rally and house-to-house initiative witnessed the active participation of individuals from the LGBTQIA+ community, religious groups, business sectors, labor unions, transport groups, and other sectors which led to the creation of the “For Leni” campaigns. However, this worked only to a certain extent: if you are not one of them, you are met with scrutiny and judgment that does not appeal to the people outside the movement.While some of the supporters patiently worked on building bridges, others resorted to burning them instead.
This is consistent with Irineo’s observation that Filipinos are not good at coordinating. There is a hardness to every belief. Defending it is personal, A challenge is an offense. There is limited capacity to listen, to reflect, and to grant legitimacy to others. Social media makes it worse. People build echo chambers and hunker down like a turtle under attack. Even intelligent people cannot articulate pathways to cooperation. Feudal to the core. Leaders have to lead better. Schools need to teach better.
I was supposed to put this in the previous blog but come to think of it, it is not off topic.
I just do not know if Jungian principles presented here would apply.
Here is one we lack: Introspection.
https://edubirdie.com/examples/carl-jungs-authentic-and-introspective-look-on-the-human-mind/
I think you’re getting it , karl. My interpretation is as good as yours is what it boils down to in Jung. thats my interpretation at least. but yeah the whole point is introspection, you have to take notice of your dreams then interpret them for yourself, and by so doing get somewhere , wherever your unconscious intends for you to go.
So I’m getting knee deep now on Thiel’s guru Rene Girard’s Mimetic theory. that when you get a bunch of kids in one room with toys, instead of playing each with one toy apart, they always converge on a single toy and fight over it. and thats Girard’s triangle of desire, that you don’t directly desire that one toy you’re fighting over, but desire it cuz that other kid desires it thus the conflict.
And scapegoating mechanism is how societies usually fix this. but then the Jesus story comes out and it totally upended the scapegoat mechanism. cuz instead of the high ups (priests then, politicians now) that justify this scapegoating and the m asses that get on board w/ it, eg. better to scapegoat one lest we all suffer for it is the thinking. in the Jesus story its the scapegoat that’s the focus.
So kinda like the trolley problem, and that one dude is Jesus. Girard is saying we’re now talking about that one dude instead of the benefits for the masses. that’s revolutionary. focus on the scapegoat.
Imagine the crazy multiple trolley problem pictured below, and it came to you as dream, karl. well you have to interpret this tangle for your self and come to some conclusion as to what that whole mess is trying to tell you. and that’s basically how you approach Jung. I’m thinking my beloved Inday Sara is your scapegoat right now, and everyone is foaming at the mouth (especially kb). but see there re different layers to this, just like that messy trolley problem below.
So introspection doesn’t really guarantee answers, but its the process of teasing out answers that’s the point, karl. the more you do it, the more you’re closer to that SELF. becoming whole in the process.
Even intelligent people cannot articulate pathways to cooperation. Leaders have to lead better.
This I think is related to the anima/animus, Joe. Basically, Trump’s closing argument, and this is related to Symone Sanders’ point in the other thread, was that Trump was against tax payer money used for trans surgery on prisoners and illegal immigrants being detained. so as far as articulation, Joey’s right that this is like a 1% issue, should be easy to argue for. its a non issue really, the surgery, though I’m reading it costs 100K or so dollars plus all the hormone treatment etc. but the context surrounding this issue is that Hollywoods pushing it, and of news about drag queen story time wherein drag queens read and twerk etc. to toddlers (theres videos), and so on and so forth. then it isn’t just this 1% issue, it becomes a culture issue. like where do we go as a culture from here issue. Well it turns out Peter Thiel is gay but Christian, i’m probably late to the party here cuz i’m just now Googling Thiel cuz of his Vance and Vivek connection (Eric Weinstein too as Joey pointed out). But his stance makes sense vis a vis Mimetic theory, that its just not being gay, or LGBTQplus, but that these surgeries represent a copied desire, eg. I wanna look like Caitlyn Jenner, so its more about a psychological imbalance, wherein Thiel probably has his anima/mus issues mastered but the masses just playing follow the leader here well they are never gonna take the time as karl says to introspect, they just wanna look cute like Caitlyn Jenner, and to top it off they want you to pay for this triangulated desire of theirs to copy Caitlyn Jenner (who can afford to be hot, on her own dime). So below is Charliemagne the God’s viceral reaction to that proposition (you pay for my surgery to look like Jenner), and he said hell no! and that worked. you don’t have to be intelligent or articulate to say hell no! Leaders have to navigate thru that. Which was never addressed, why we gotta pay for their surgery?!!! its an expensive proposition even at 1%. but makes sense from the perspective of Mimetic theory. only solution is to scapegoat Caitlyn Jenner (j/k).
Introspection is a skill set, I agree. But we cannot know what thoughts go into anybody’s personal decisions. Maybe deep introspection led them to a decision that seems shallow to us. That’s why I refuse to preach to anybody about their personal decisions.
As for interpreting dreams, my Filipina wife is inclined to see them as harbingers of the future whereas I see them as the mind’s interpretations of the present and past. This is consistent with Filipino ritualistic practices, versus intellectualizing one’s faith. Give that over 100 million people are not practiced at introspection, to get anything done differently, it is more pragmatic to speak to them in their mental language than expect them to take up a new one.
As for interpreting dreams, my Filipina wife is inclined to see them as harbingers of the future whereas I see them as the mind’s interpretations of the present and past.
Carl Jung would say you’re wrong, Joe. and he’d agree with your wife. Dreams use past and present to familiarize you within said dream, but usually the message intended to be delivered is beyond past/present, its either future (like lotto numbers) or more often than not its aligning to that SELF— is still mystery as far as Jung was concerned.
Maybe deep introspection led them to a decision that seems shallow to us. That’s why I refuse to preach to anybody about their personal decisions.
I dunno, Joe. I think I can recognize a well thought out decision vs. something done on a lark. but then there’s these too…
No matter how you figure it, you cannot have better data than the person living through the decisions.
better data vs. judgement (or easy monday morning qb) , i tend to agree with this.
Teddy Roosevelt wrote about that here:
https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Learn-About-TR/TR-Encyclopedia/Culture-and-Society/Man-in-the-Arena.aspx
Could be, but “mystery” is not very helpful. Well, 40 years ago I was eaten by wolves whilst running through a black cave. A very red dream. If that merely projected my claustrophobic reaction to all controlling events, it coulda been somehow clearer. But I’ve yet to be eaten. I look at dreams as amusing, rather like horrorscopes, and don’t live my life by them.
and don’t live my life by them.
But you should start recording them, either by sketches or notes, Joe.
“Jung described the process that led to the creation of the Red Bookas “my most difficult experiment.” He was referring to his sustained response to a series of “assaults” from his unconscious that he feared might overwhelm him. These experiences began after Jung’s break with Sigmund Freud. Jung recorded them in a series of notebooks that he later used as the basis for the Red Book.
As he recalled in the autobiographical Memories, Dreams, Reflections: “An incessant stream of fantasies had been released . . . . I stood helpless before an alien world; everything in it seemed difficult and incomprehensible.’ Amidst this psychic turmoil, Jung resolved to “find the meaning in what I was experiencing in these fantasies”—a process that required him both to engage with and distance himself from their effect— and to describe, comprehend, and transform them for a constructive purpose.
The material in the Red Book came from Jung’s exploration of his unconscious and his encounters with the works of many cultural figures, including the pioneering American philosopher and psychologist William James (1842–1910). The format of the Red Book resembles the work of the British poet and painter William Blake (1757–1827), who also recorded dreams and visions in combined text and images and with whose work Jung had some familiarity.”
Actually that would likely be a fascinating and instructive set of data. I can see that it would be a lot like meditation, centering one on internal acceptance of one’s psychic reality rather than crass external emotionalizing. But not doing it is just living on the edge. Ha!
Jungian theories, especially those of his dream interpretation and archetypes, are often criticized for being mystical and lacking in empirical evidence.
The MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) is grounded on Jungian theory of personality.
What are you, JP? I’m INFJ.
INFJ “Advocates are quiet visionaries, often serving as inspiring and tireless idealists.”
I am an INTJ.
“People with INTJ preferences are passionate problem solvers. But they aren’t interested in simply solving a problem; they want to see how a solution could solve many problems.
This often carries over to their personal lives, too, where INTJs are known for helping the people they care about most.
Independent, idealistic, and resourceful, INTJs tend to keenly observe structures and systems so that they can fix them or recreate them later.”
Pretty accurate, I’d say. My F is borderline with T so we align well.
OT but relevant to the Philippines and Filipinos.
1. Stephen Miller is likely to be Trump’s policy adviser. He’s the architect of Muslim and Immigrant hate policies. A very nasty fellow. Expect racial hate crimes to rise. This is not good for Filipino Americans and illegal Filipinos in the US.
2. Rep. Michael Waltz will likely be National Security Adviser. He wanted the US to stay in Afghanistan long term to fight the “idea” of Muslim extremism. He is a hawk against China, viewing them as a hostile state. This is probably good for the Philippines.
3. Trump has not signed the ethics documents needed to start transition work. They are designed to keep a president from profiting from his position. This is a red flag for corruption.
Forget Miller this Homan fellar looks serious as fuck!
Miller would give him a sniper rifle.
I don’t think Jung would agree to Myers-Briggs that’s more like horoscopes really, eg. I’m a pisces, or I’m a libra etc.. I’ve taken it before (didn’t know theres a connection to Jung though). Jung was all about you, you JP interpreting your own dreams, cuz you’d be the only one to do so, sure Jungian therapists steeped in this Jungian stuff can help, but in the end its you and you alone that can figure out what yours and or the collective unconscious is trying to tell you.
Sure, as Karl mentioned, introspection is big part of it. You do an accounting of your strengths and weaknesses, likes and dislikes, perceived and real values, etc and in the process, create an archetype that makes you a happy and whole person.
and in the process, create an archetype that makes you a happy and whole person.
the SELF is the goal, the archetypes like language or organs in anatomy just helps you get to that SELF. but Jung also calls this an archetype thought. the ultimate archetype. the source if you will.
this is probably a better graph than the ones i made, JP:
Carl Jung said “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”
ahem, I wonder what inday sara found so irritatingly delulu with the very expensive watch wearer that made her so wanting to make him into a headless horseman! if she was dreaming in broad daylight with her eyes wide open, that didnt auger well for her. wishing the sleepy hollow on others made her lose fortune and favor, gone is the big chunk of her budget, her confidants put on hdo for failing to attend the inquiry.
did it lead her to understand herself? between the owl character and the parrot character she authored, being a fake jew and dishonest from the start, it’s no wonder her psyche is running high on flagellates.
I.too have my misgivings to Sara but Ido not want to attempt to psycho analyze her. But behavior is indeed erratic.
Let us count the ways.
Punching a sherrif doing his job.
Covering up for subordinates giving excuses.
Too many to mention.
I finally figured out the headless horseman.
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2024/10/22/2394457/after-drawing-flak-sara-duterte-fights-claims-shes-mentally-unstable
she’s so full of jibber jabber biro mo when ask where she was during typhoon kristin, she was monitoring the situation kuno as in maybe watching the burgeoning delubyo that carried a number of people to their death – in her computer screen!
Human nature to covet and be inggit or die of jealousy.
Desire.
good point, karl. theres also projections, which are things inside of you, that you don’t like (i didn’t include this) and you project it onto individuals. and then theres complexes too, complexes are archetypes that float up and linger in your personal unconscious then project into the real world. so envy and jealousy and triangulated desires are kinda related to this, projections. this part I don’t really get, karl.
I prefer hannibal lecter to carl jung. hannibal I can understand, carl lung is summat a charlatan, haha.
Anthony Hopkins in the film role as Lecter was so authentic that Jodie Foster was legitimately frightened when acting with him. They never talked on the set.
Interesting.
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/silence-of-the-lambs-anthony-hopkins-jodie-foster-1234887270/
Two very talented actors for sure.
For sure.
ah, sir anthony hopkins speaks the king’s english whereas carl jung’s works (books) had to be translated to english, they were originally written in the kaiser’s language yata.
Let me try chat gpt
Carl Jung’s concept of the shadow refers to the unconscious part of the personality that contains aspects of ourselves that we deny or do not want to acknowledge. These aspects often include undesirable or socially unacceptable traits, behaviors, and feelings. The shadow is not necessarily evil; it can also include positive traits and potentials that we fail to recognize. Jung believed that the shadow must be confronted and integrated into the conscious self to achieve psychological wholeness and self-realization.
Jungian psychology suggests that the shadow often manifests in projections, where we attribute these hidden aspects of ourselves onto others, often judging or disliking qualities in people that mirror our own unrecognized traits. Working with the shadow involves self-reflection, understanding these projections, and coming to terms with the full spectrum of one’s personality. Integration of the shadow can lead to greater self-awareness and personal growth.
Carl Jung’s concept of “projection” refers to the psychological mechanism through which an individual unconsciously attributes their own shadow, or hidden, repressed, and often negative traits, onto others. In Jungian psychology, the “shadow” encompasses the parts of the psyche that a person deems unacceptable or undesirable, which remain suppressed in the unconscious. This shadow is composed of aspects of the self, such as primitive impulses, weaknesses, or socially condemned desires.
Projection occurs when a person fails to recognize these traits within themselves and instead sees them in other people. For example, someone who harbors deep-seated anger but is unable to acknowledge it might project this anger onto others, perceiving them as hostile or aggressive. This can create misunderstandings and conflicts in relationships, as the individual is responding not to the reality of others but to a distorted view shaped by their unconscious shadow.
Jung emphasized the importance of recognizing and integrating the shadow into conscious awareness to achieve personal growth and self-realization. This integration process, known as “shadow work,” involves becoming aware of and accepting these hidden aspects of the self, thus reducing the need for projection and fostering a more balanced and whole personality.
Right on, Karl.
ahem, I wonder what car jung was projecting when he slept with his patients!
This is supposed to be common, kb. and why I wanted to be a psychologist/psychiatrist awhile back (on top of gynecologist). it has a lot to do with patients opening up to you (as therapist) both literally and figuratively. and whether or not you’re a strong righteous dude, you’ll either repress or possess. kinda like Joey’s female lodger dropping her towel. just one of those please God give me strength. moments. sometimes God answers your prayers. sometimes not. has to do a lot with looks too, i’m sure, kb. i wouldn’t fault the guy too much. for this.
guy’s a hypocrite, cant do what he preaches. the patients were not of sound mind but were taken advantage of.
I do agree with you, kb. its not professional. but maybe they just couldn’t help themselves. these things happen. i’m not gonna shoot the messenger for it.
He projected prolonged sec making 3 seconds 3 hours.
https://www.quora.com/Was-Carl-Jung-sexually-exploitative-of-his-patients-I-recently-read-in-Yalom-s-The-Gift-of-Therapy-that-Jung-was-exploitative-of-patients-p-105-I-have-never-heard-of-this-prior-I-m-seeing-rumors-online-but-nothing?ch=10&oid=67087785&share=e9fd870a&srid=2Ay8A&target_type=question
Just saw this, karl. played this with a Mango ave girl (she taught me pusoy too). actually a fun game, cuz you can’t really control the flick of the pen/pencil. lol. I think its related to all the graphs I made above, but where you’re flicking the pen/pencil that would be the conscious realm, inside the fort would be personal & collective unconscious. but see where that tank and plane are in the inner parts, thats actually the SELF and if you connect those they are actually together. which leads us to Lisa Piccirello and TOPOLOGY. and where we seemingly don’t connect we actually do, karl.
“OVER the course of one week in 2018, Lisa Piccirillo cracked a mathematical problem that had gone unsolved for half a century. Posed by legendary mathematician John Conway in 1970, it concerns a complex geometrical object known as the Conway knot. While an ordinary overhand knot – the kind you would tie at the end of a thread – sees the string cross over itself three times, the Conway knot has 11 crossings. What Conway wanted to know is whether his knot can be formed by cutting a slice out of a more complex four-dimensional knot – or, as mathematicians put it, is it “slice”?
Piccirillo discovered that it isn’t. Her breakthrough came after finding a back door into the problem that could help mathematicians understand other four-dimensional objects. Currently a post-doctoral mathematician at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts, solving the Conway knot – along with her other research – has seen her offered a tenure-track position at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. New Scientist spoke to her about the week she spent on the problem, her approach to mathematics and why it is time we stopped talking about geniuses.”
also, karl can you talk about budget? am I right here regarding “unused”. seems like a none issue. are you following this OVP budget stuff at all? what your take? thanks.
I am being a filipino here and I am being truly truly uncooperative and being of different mind, would really really say I dont care much about carl jung baby and which baby dungheap he sprouted from. I am more concerned about dungheap quiboloy baby playing his oh so unwelcomed arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat) to the max and subsequently being hospitalized for it. hope he meets carl jung baby there in his sick bed and develop jung induced brain rot! gee, suntory in the morning really get me going, haha.
okay, first things first: I’ll hands off the first lady liza marcos who is coast guard auxiliary rank of general with three stripes. all the more reason to hands off coz her hubby just signed two laws affirming our maritime rights and sovereignty which really really and truly truly set china on edge that it immediately saw red dawn, you know the saying red sky in the morning . . .
our summat sleepy ambassador to china was roused from the backwater, shaken and stirred, to meet on bended knees the dragon lord of asia. nah, not fazed the shaken and stirred ambassador is. trump is reportedly and apparently thrilled the first lady liza marcos’ hubby made the maritime moves. pawn to square one.
I can’t argue with that, kb. PBBM is making money moves there. and I do agree with you, Trump will have a good working relationship with PBBM due to past affinities established thanks to his mom. its a good start.
Versus, say, if one of the Beatles’ offspring were President. As a side note, Stephen Miller is likely to be Trump’s policy adviser. He is the architect of Trump’s hate campaigns against Muslims and immigrants. I think the relationship with the Philippines will depend on how Trump wants to “use” the nation, not on any expectations of consistency with existing policy. Trump despises scruffy brown nations, so my bookie is taking no bets whatsoever on US/Philippine relations. It’s a new book with blank pages right now.
It all depends how close that affinity is whether its actually consanguinity , Joe. and PBBM is actually Ivanka’s long lost older brother. from another mother. Imelda did love to party.
lol. Get some DNA off their wine glasses. Let’s find out!
karl would say theres no resemblance, but I beg to differ.
Thanks for the insights, K. Yes, it may be that the First Lady is the driver of upgrades to the Coast Guard and even Navy. I think Marcos is moving well in this direction.
wait, Joe, are you saying Liza’s rank is actually something and not some symbolic stuff. like can she is she actually making decisions within the PCG?
I think it is a meaningful connection for her, to the Coast Guard. Making her an advocate for upgrading. It is one of the more professional services by my observation. As it should be, and will have to be.
It is symbolic, Joe. but now I ‘m thinking we just found motive for her taking the OVP’s budget. its all going to the Coast Guard!!!
the philippines receives the brunt of most typhoon landfalls, that our country is now mostly saturated and heavily flooded. we need funds for rebuilding not just lives but hopes and dreams and infrastructures ruined by continued flooding.
we have to get extra funds from somewhere pronto. and if inday sara’s budget has to be shaved off, coz the seemingly three toed sloth has righteously resigned from the daily grind and the mundane of the gabinete and is now only working a fraction of her mandate, then glory to god in the highest! she probly wont be getting some christmas present. the Grinch is coming.
Sorry, LCPL but the only connection I see between Sara and Jung is her need of a psychotherapist or a psychiatrist at the moment. She surely is displaying very erratic behavior.
Jung posited that we are not born as “blank slates,” to the contrary we have the “collective unconscious” from birth. The “collective unconscious” is supposedly a psychic-archetype layer every human being is endowed with, so each of us are preprogrammed to be one of his 12 archetypes:
Here’s her latest press conference, JP. no big reveals. she’s pretty cogent. but she does explain why she’s not addressing house hearings, basically taking Trump’s playbook cuz its all political witchhunt. there’s mention of something happening on Nov. 15 though.
but looks like a pretty boring press con this time around.
As to 12 archetypes. don’t understand it as zodiac or horoscope, JP. Jung described these as a form of language or as organs that represent a bigger whole. so you can’t be just the heart, or just the stomach, you have to become cognizant of it as a whole. becoming whole was Jung’s thing.
p.s. —- so the only thing “erratic” really is that she’s fighting back. in her own way. whether or not DE folks buy it or become sympathetic to her plight i don’t know, polling post her last 2 press conferences have not come out.
p.p.s. —– regarding impeachment here’s IMEE’s take…
Well, one can skip through the Senate and tick off who is pro Marcos and who is pro Duterte/China, and who is afraid. It’s probably about 1/3 each, so she’s likely right. If I were President Marcos, I’d be pressing to get her out so I could appoint Speaker Romualdez as VP and give him an inside track to the presidency and an enduring Marcos/Romualdez reign.
Wait, are you Team Liza, Joe?!!
I find family heritage intertwinings here fascinating. Now if the old lady kicks the bucket, then maybe it would be a Marcos/Areneta long term reign, and Mar Roxas’s son will enter the picture. Probably not, but it’s weird how everyone of power is related to mainstream historical families.
Now if the old lady kicks the bucket, then maybe
If TRUMP pays her a visit now, it’ll add like 10 more years of life, I’m sure, Joe.
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/imee-marcos
the daughter, wasnt she a babe in those days! the maid in malakanyang. trump definitely should come for a visit and bring a trainer with him. there’s a well equip gym in malakanyang.
I totally agree. Why didn’t she get a following? Imee sounds super smart too. at that press conference with Lacson that pan de sal event, she was asked about rice, and she just went on and on and on and on about rice, even had figures at the ready.
oh course, imee talks about anything and everything, isnt she the aforementioned parrot in inday sara’s book? the owl and the parrot, two best buddies, where sara is the owl, imee is the parrot: birds of a feather. interchangeable. really, corporal, you ought to be jungian, and get a copy of inday sara’s book.
oh, shit… I did not know this was about her and Imee, kb. youtubing now if theres a read thru video.
The newest survey dropped at the end of October. It spells bad news for Sara. It looks like the public sentiment about her is getting bad.
Her Trust Rating went down 6%, from 65% to 59% while her Performance Rating went down 8%, from 60% to 52%.
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/925551/marcos-vp-sara-trust-ratings-dip-in-latest-octa-survey/story/
that’s summat old survey, wait for the survey post the festival of our lady of penyafrancia, 8th of october. and see if inday sara’s foray to naga got her some miraculous points, her ratings up a few notches. her monitoring of the typhoon kristin done maybe via her computer screen, her feet untouched by flood, her confidants dodging senate inquiry presumably busy in prep of anniversary whatnot, has gotten her some reprieve.
totally agree with you, kb. but i’m thinking her press conferences plus her dad’s antics in the senate and now the house. I gotta feeling Filipinos are in general enjoying all this. and might mean a spike in the polls.
Jung’s archetypes are not like horoscopes. I already said that he did not think of us being born tabula rasa or empty vessels ready to be filled by our day-to-day experiences. He believed that we were born filled by the collective unconscious which will make us one of his archetypes. We are suppose to be predestined to grow into one of his archetypes by the endowment of this collective unconscious. It’s like me aspiring to be a psychologist (caregiver) but I was programmed for hard science so I end up being a scientist (sage) upon introspection.
I’m no Jungian psychologist, JP. But aspiring to be seems more like persona stuff or projection from archetypes. Though I agree with you that you can gravitate towards certain archetypes, but I don’t think Jung meant for you to become them. or one of them. cuz this is Myers-Briggs stuff now. like pigeon holing. but if you’ve actually taken classes on this stuff then i’ll differ to you. but youtube videos are adamant you don’t like pick and choose archetypes to aspire to. and to treat them as parts of a bigger whole. cuz theres dark sides to these things too. that you gotta balance out.
These are called shadows, can be explained simply by the yin yang principle. Take for example a sage whose shadow is the false prophet. Sage is the educated, scientific expert while the false prophet is the uneducated conspiracy theorist. One is suppose to conquer their shadow through introspection and learning in order to strike a balance and become a whole and wholesome person.
(karl, thanks for the ChatGPT summary…)
JP, this is how i’m understanding this Shadow stuff as Jung described. the Shadow is not archetypes, its NOT in the Collective Unconscious but in your own Personal Unconscious, your Shadow are things you wanted to do, things you’ve desired or been envious of, or trauma youve repressed, or just stuff you’ve missed out on and let it go before and have forgot about but now surfaces later in life, like I shoulda hung out with my siblings more etc. etc.
Some shadows are darker than others, but this should not be understood as “evil” Jung says. you just have to bring it to light.
So…
NOT archetypes, JP, archetypes are totally different. you don’t wanna become them because they are very hard to deduce, theres no morality or immorality in the Collective Unconscious (its like God telling JOB, who the fuck are you to question how I do stuff… that’s how you should understand the Collective Unconscious, beyond human comprehension), we do all that morality/immorality stuff in Consciousness but bounce it around in our Personal Unconscious eg. Hero’s Journey etc. these are symbols of archetypes, but archetypes we cannot fully comprehend unless you’re already at the SELF level.
So karl’s correct here:
I found another graph that outlines how all this connects, and made my own corrections of said graphs to fit how I’m understanding this. notice the location of the Shadow vis a vis the archetypal realm closer to the SELF.
ps— to the left is their version of the SELF which is kinda confusing to me cuz you don’t bring the SELF to conscious level, you go to it, but I undertand it as the Trancendental Function via active imagination (the process Jung calls individuation, but can be introspection too, like the lighter version of it).
We are basically saying the same thing. You are expounding and arguing the premise in a convoluted and complex way while I am trying to be succinct and hit the high points so readers will have an idea of Jung’s essence. My takes are summaries for brevity and you are unleashing a dissertation and some nosebleed ideas on readers.
Maybe you’re right, cuz at the end of the day Jung called the Shadow an achetype too (same with anima/mus) and then archetypes, as well as SELF too as ultimate archetype. archetype here I think just means Plato’s Forms. really old deep stuff. i guess am just pushing back on “brevity” and “summary” , JP, cuz you’re not couching it with , hey this stuff even Jung didn’t really understand. so my warning here is just to not treat it like horoscopes or Myers-Briggs, like hey guys define me…. or like we gonna work together well cuz i’m so and so type, and you’re so and so type. like what you and Joe did, that’s usually the function of Myers-Briggs, its just over simplification. like saying blood type B pos and A pos work better than A neg and A pos, etc. or i’m gonna marry a Libra cuz we go well together. but you’re assumption here, JP, is what’s interesting. like you’re saying Filipinos are not gonna be able to understand this stuff. whereas like I told Joe, his wife and how she views dreams that’s how Jung understands it. So i differ with you, I think Filipinos are already Jungians.
So to connect all this to the article. think about how you, or karl, or Joe, etc etc (especially kb) view all the ladies above. some you gravitate to, some neutral, others a really negative emotion comes out. these are those archetypes. I see my beloved Inday Sara and I ‘ve projected (actually more like these archetypes have projected cuz I don’t project these myself) onto her as hero already but during this attempt impeachment its innocent. just like Plato’s Forms i don’t really know why I view her such, like why you know a coconut tree is also a tree like oak tree. so when you guys view her as guilty its the just the flipside of the same coin. same with Liza as villain, but apparent to many of youz she’s hero. like how now people are looking for 20M in debt, by Kamala Harris, so from saviour she’s now being viewed as scapegoat. the flip of the Jesus story, which is scapegoat to saviour. that circles back to Rene Girard. but imagine a world, where you see these women above, and not attribute any archetypes onto them. none , right? its impossible. your minds default is to view people, especially those in public eyes , as these archetypes. but Jung is saying we don’t know where these archetypes come from they just surface. for example cats and dogs won’t have ’em. unless theres an archetype in their minds as poop scooper/food preparer. but that’s how i’m understanding these archetypes, JP, and i’m sure Jung too cuz he never really really defines them himself. he never really pins ’em down. so when folks on youtube make ’em into easy pigeon holes, i find it suspect. these things are really hard to understand, but its how we ultimately view the world.
The National spoiled brat
https://cmfr-phil.org/media-ethics-responsibility/journalism-review/portrait-of-sara-duterte-as-national-spoiled-brat/
The National spoiled brat
https://cmfr-phil.org/media-ethics-responsibility/journalism-review/portrait-of-sara-duterte-as-national-spoiled-brat/
So yesterday there was a 3rd press con (in Bacolod?) but for only 30 minutes, the 2 previous press conferences (ones that were aggressive in nature , plus that question/answer outside that Makati business event clarifying cutting head and digging up dad) Inday Sara is always saying her OVP is complying with COA, but that she has no desire to engage with the House. so yesterdays press conference seems like she’s saying she’ll just wait for next year (Jan.?) to make any more announce ments but she did close it with something like I’ll work alone if I have to. essentially making it OVP vs. the rest of Philippine nat’l gov’t. so JP’s survey was conducted prior to the 2 press conferences, for us to gauge better if this strategy (her against the world strategy) is working , we should see it in the next surveys end of 2024, karl. but its the Rebel/Tyrant archetype on top of the Innocent/Guilty archetype, on top of the more famous Hero/Villain archetype we’ve projected onto her prior, karl. lots of archetypes usually means stirring the pot. theres dynamics here. not of that we saw with Kamala Harris. just one dimensional (for most people who viewed her).
Joe, I noticed you’ve not shared this blog on twitter. if its too much Inday Sara I understand. but now encouraged by sonny, I’m about to write that 6th Inday Sara blog vis a vis Catholicism (software/hardware direction). if no twitter share, that’s fine, but do I have support for these more incoming Inday Sara blogs i have in mind? thanks. just wanted that clarified soon cuz i have more blogs in mind.
I think the posts undermine my personal credibility as few have the dispassionate reach to comprehend where you are coming from.
Me too I almost skipped this article but was challenged to do more reading later on.
thanks, karl, for reading more. I did sense you got alot out of Jung.
@Joe, should I continue writing this 6th Inday Sara article then, or just back burner it for now?
You may do as you choose. I’m happy to publish these more challenging pieces, though I’m disinclined to promote them, as I’ve said. I do appreciate the work you put into the articles. I used to be able to do that but have grown lazy with the futility of most of it.
Thanks for the clarification , Joe. Don’t mind the twitter stuff myself. Totally understand where you’re coming from.
But i’m like a puppy, when I get pats on the head, I want more. so I’m gonna keep going down this road , see where it leads us.
Carry on mate!
I am getting the vibes in this blog that mental healthcare is still stigmatized in PH and has a negative connotation. My views are under the assumption that mental health imbalance is brought about mostly by temporary situations when our bodies excrete more or less of the natural chemicals our body need to be in equilibrium. Our body is often in a survival mode and can be affected by our body chemistry. Millions of Americans right now are in care of mental health professionals or are seeking it because of the election result. Americans understand that these people are angry, depressed and/or stressed out and are not functioning to their maximum capacity. Some are exhibiting erratic behavior and some just generally checked out to deal with cognitive dissonance. I hope that the stigma, if present in PH, could be balanced by mass education to make it it acceptable to seek mental healthcare when needed.
My views are under the assumption that mental health imbalance is brought about mostly by temporary situations when our bodies excrete more or less of the natural chemicals our body need to be in equilibrium.
This is the chicken and the egg, JP. are chemicals in fact in balance before all this chemical imbalance stuff or because its the Mind (not the brain) that’s first outta whack thus imbalance occurs. material vs. immaterial. natural vs. supernatural stuff, JP. cuz if it is just chemical imbalance then we should all be buying pharmaceutical stocks and doubling down on this as solution. but its not. I can tell you a lot of vets are finally happy at the possibility of psychedelics via the VA, cuz of RFKjr. as head of healthcare (to include mental health) he’s pro-psychedelics. psychedelics is not drugs, drugs get your brain all fired up or fired down. thats pharmaceuticals. psychedelics just shuts it down. so if your brain functions as filter only, via the 5 senses, then shutting it down (not like anesthesia, where youre out, lots of studies now about anesthesia and dementia ) your brain functions w/out the filters, still completly aware, and consciousness reveals itself which is actually closer to unconsciousness it turns out. apparently. so theres a reliance on pharmaceuticals in your assumption above, JP. which is 70s psychology, Cuckoo’s Nest stuff, but the pendulum swings towards Awakenings. though GWOT and VA it has swung back to Cuckoo’s Nest , thinking just drug ’em up. it should be Awakenings.
There you go again about your attitude that your opinions are superior than those anybody could muster. For that reason, I am going to stop engaging with you. I’m here to present readers with succinct and verifiable ideas. I am not going to go with you in your rabbit holes adventures.
sorry, JP, I didn’t mean to be off-putting. but this one I do know a lot about, I’ll hedge my knowledge of Jungian psychology cuz i’m new to this, but when it comes to treatment I am a lot more familiar of this than you, I think (assuming you’re not in this field, which I don’t think you are). so I can elaborate further. how that connects to the Philippines is don’t buy into the pharmaceuticals wholesale, sure it might help some but I think for most it doesn’t or maybe its a dosage issue i don’t know. thats my thoughts on this at least. karl and Joey might be able to add more, but for me I’m just basing a lot of this thru buddies in the program at the VA. i’ve never been given drugs. though I’m open to psychedelics for my buddies, though I’ll stay away myself (preferring self medication like Jung, etc). but the politics of treatment, I can rattle off a bunch of examples. where pharmaceuticals failed. so there needs to be other paths.
here:
https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treat/txessentials/psychedelics_assisted_therapy.asp
this has to be opened up more, but pharmaceuticals are blocking legalization of at least MDMA (which is not psychedelics per se). with RFKjr. it just might happen. MDMA then the rest.
I do think the most prevalent mental health issues in the Philippines (especially in the cities) can be solved simply by designing better spaces there. i mean can you imagine being OCD in the Philippines, with flies everywhere… i’d go crazy. so like Christopher Alexander stuff which I’ve shared before, he was asked if mental illness and spaces were connected back in the 70s and his work attempted to answer that.
“patterns are found, they are not created”
he’s dead now but this is his eulogy:
I like this lady, she really sums up Alexander’s work perfectly. watch the video.
I think more people here are coming to understand that one’s emotional state is a science, part chemistry as you say, and part experiential, from childhood. Major hospitals do have psychiatric staff. But there is no broad under-layer of psycho-therapists like you’ll find in the US. I do note that ads for online therapy are popping up here and there, and that might be an avenue the distressed can take in the privacy of their homes. Otherwise, it’s You-Tube or nothing.
Mind boggling numbers
According to the Philippine Psychiatric Association, there are only 651 psychiatrists, 516 psychiatric nurses, and 133 psychologists nationwide.
I think over here (I’m sure of this) there are more psychologists than psychiatrists, karl. most with just BA in Psychology end up becoming life coaches whatever that means.
Lourd de Veyra and Jun Sabayton (Bayaw) had a security guard in the role of a life coach in one of their shows, not meant seriously, of course.
Though seriously, I can imagine some knowing more of life than psychologists.
I have a life coach. She’s my wife, schooled in the hard knocks of broken families, poverty, and murderous relatives. She knows way more than my shrink-analyzed introspective well-to-do educated lazy brain can muster. So LCX has a point about what makes up the collective unconscious of Filipinos. It’s different.
The intuitive capabilities of Filipinos (not obscured by rationality as we learn it) help them on an entire spectrum from good (nurses abroad are praised for how nice they are) to neutral (call center agents though they may lack independent problem solving skills at times as Joey mentioned) to evil like the AFAM hunters Joey has mentioned, even as they often lack the financial literacy to make a long-term better life for their entire family.
The intuition does fail often when looking at the bigger picture, even as I do understand why many are cynical and hedge their bets. I know an overseas Pink from a poor family who told me in 2022 that aside from voting for Leni for the long term, she would vote for Binay as this was due to some practical considerations for her family. I didn’t ask why or what in particular.
Yes, intuitive capabilities not bothered by rationality. Or obscured, as you said. Cracks me up, but it is certainly true. Wonderful assessment.
So in Rep. Manuel’s line of questioning which was intel/confedential funds under DU30 for rewards and then Sen. Trillanes’ bank accounts, I’m seeing theres intuition or a narrative in their minds, but actually getting it to court is the issue. like Trump’s voter fraud which were kicked out of courts, there was intution that there was fraud but courts said proof or get out. well the number of Kamala Harris ‘ 69M votes vs. Bidens 81M votes in 2020, intution my intution tells me theres an aberration there. Joey said most Kamala Harris supporters just didn’t vote cuz they thought she was winning, well sure for 1M to 3M like Arab votes etc., maybe. but thats too big of a gap to 81M. so intution has to translate into proof. is my point. but agreed theres a gut feeling of something. first.
I think, the pink lady from the poor family stayed true to form and voted for both leni and binay.
let us not forget that leni has indeed jejomar binay in her senatorial line up last 2022 election. binay got 13million votes and came 13the in the vote list. he did not make it to the senate.
Pops Binay to me is like the uncle who had a wild youth but then settled down to family life and used his escapades as wisdom. So Leni simply respected the mature man.
Bashing from PCs(aka woke) has some benefits.
People frown upon everything and laught at misfortunes but they also defend the weak, the maligned and the like including mental health issues
Some impressions, having re-read yesterday and followed today:
1) JPilipinas did a great job of explaining the shadow. My shadow HERE wrote rambling stuff that isn’t that easy to understand.
2) My shadow could have written something like this LCPL_X article I don’t get
3) Carl Jung wrote in German. There is a Bavarian expression “hast Du einen Schatten?” (Do you have a shadow?) which means “are you nuts?”. LCPL_X, if you ever hear that at the Oktoberfest, they are not taking philosophy or psychology with you.
4) The collective unconscious is a minefield for sure. Possibly, the collective unconscious of the Philippines contains the desires of the gin drinkers of old who groped women, the salsaleros that LCPL_X wrote about, and the much feared shabu addicts who rape women. Those DDS who laughed at Duterte rape jokes seem to tap into the same collective (male) Philippine unconscious. Seeing Americans as sex maniacs, something Joey mentioned, might be just a projection. This goes very, very deep, and is for others to probe.
5) Do the Filipinas who condemn Leila de Lima secretly have the hots for Kuya Grab? I don’t know. A lot of Kuya Grabs (and trike drivers) seem to be more hokage/matinik than salsalero. This shows that the collective unconscious isn’t shared by all. Tiyo Paeng is part of it, though.
6) The six women with archetypes remind me more of tarot cards than anything else. Carl Jung did check out the ancient Chinese oracle I Ching with its 64 figures. That and tarot are creepy. Otherwise, I have not the faintest idea what sense that all makes for the Philippines.
Lance, don’t forget you have to go to Lake Buhi on Friday, December 13, and the full moon after.
Sure, some Filipinos might be Jungian. Those with anting-anting, for instance, know there is a price for their utilizing that form of magic, I was told. Fools rush in where Trese fears to tread.
I agree on the Shadow, JP’s summary was exactly what karl found on ChatGPT.
I agree our Shadows would probably enjoy drinking together, Ireneo. lol.
I will learn this phrase and start asking drunk people this. “hast Du einen Schatten?”
Collective Unconscious Filipino style has lots of applications in understanding where Philippines will go in the lead up to 2028.
I think its just the age old females being attracted to powerful males operating here, Ireneo, not so much Jungian analyses needed for DU30, he’s more a Freud guy. But Inday Sara requires us to go all Jungian.
Tarot and I-Ching and Ouija all about divining things. non- cause and effect analysis. Synchronicity is what Jung called it.
Fools rush in where Trese fears to tread. This i totally agree and why I’m telling Joe to get into his Red Book, i’m not touching that. lol.
For those who might not know this, let me put it in writing. Psychologists and most psychotherapists do not have privileges of writing pharmacological prescriptions. Their doctorate degrees do not confer them a medical degree so synthetic chemicals are beyond their realm. Only MDs like psychiatrists and neurologists have that privilege. Psychologists and most psychotherapists engage in “talk therapy,” behavioral modification and other non synthetic/biological chemical treatment.
“you’re assumption here, JP, is what’s interesting. like you’re saying Filipinos are not gonna be able to understand this stuff.“
No, that is a projection on your part, not mine. I am basically saying that your article and your comments are very hard to understand and should be distilled to their essence. A blog is not an academic dissertation but a way of presenting a hypothesis and hammering on the substantiation of your claim and a conclusion that will tie together your argument. KISS principle. This is all about you, nothing to do with discounting/demeaning Filipinos.
I have an undergraduate degree in Psychology. My graduate degrees are in Public Administration, Healthcare Informatics and Computer Science. Please tell us yours.
I am here to learn from others and impart/share something that I hope could be of help. I do not take offense to constructive criticism. I am in continuous learning mode because I am a work in progress.
Well, keep up the good work. I certainly appreciate what you give, and hope you find a few things to take with you as meaningful. Not everything will be, of course.
Please tell us yours.
I’ve said this again and again on here, JP. I’m just a PhD in Google. these are all stuff i’m youtubing or Googling, etc.
But when I deep dive a subject namely Jung here currently, then I go all in. My point was just that you were making it horoscope/zodiac shallow and I’m just saying Jung understood this all as something totally deeper, like Ireneo’s Trese fears to tread. which Jung actually treaded. Whether or not he went crazy the jury’s still out.
And on that Philippine mental health comment of yours, on chemical imbalance I do feel pretty strongly about that too, waaaaay before Jung, cuz this is also the assumption that makes teachers here refer to school district psychologists their rumbunctious 7 year old students then off to medication for ADHD et al. they go. slippery slope from assumption to treatment.
I do think theres more mental health issues here, and not so much in the Philippines because people are constantly interacting with one another there, that alleviates much of this mental stuff. even hearing your neighbors fuck due to adjacency or salsaleros outside CRs, all that is interaction nonetheless. plus family and friends. whereas over here too much privacy demanded which equals voluntary solitary confinement for many minds.
Though Ireneo is correct above “This goes very, very deep, and is for others to probe.” Individually i think Filipinos are saner than Americans, culturually though or as a collective, not so much, so this is where archetypes by Jung comes in. maybe don’t use this to analyze individual Filipinos, but when you’re watching these Senate and House hearings in the Philippines and Inday Sara’s recent reactions to them, I do think Jungian analysis makes the most sense. That’s the point of the blog. (among many others, lol).
Like Heyderian said the madness is the method. so look there. use Jungian analysis.
this was on page 92. of Man and His Symbols, lots of pdfs you can online. under the heading SOUL OF MAN. first chapter by Jung.
Communication is the process by which humans share data and concepts. JP is more interested in getting meanings across the divide of ignorance and shallow attention spans, and is not shallow by any means. Her argument is that your arguments are long and winding and hard to understand. So in my view, she is more likely to get meanings across the great divide than you. That does not deny that there are readers who like intellectual mysteries and stretching excercises, so your postings can inform them. That’s not most people though.
So in my view, she is more likely to get meanings across the great divide than you.
ps. —- I get that she’s doing KISS, Joe. and I do love JP. not trying to disrespect. KISS which I appreciate cuz I tend to go on the deep end. but I just think archetypes need to be read and explained the way Jung intended, that he Jung himself was not sure what or where these things come from. so if theres to be a summary, then it should be couched that Jung himself was unable to distill this. himself.
Not simple. Effective.
This is what I want to tell people, but some even say it is good that I won’t have to take meds because they make you non functional etc.
I say they have a point. Because it took me years to adjust to anti depressants and anxiolytics. It will get worse before ot gets better so to speak.
(Psychiatriatrists vis-a-vi’s Psychologists)
Motivational and life coaches speakers are just people with high empathy and people skills, the opposites sociopaths.
All the therapy in the world won’t help if your brain is sending the wrong chemicals through it’s complex channels. There is a place for counseling as well to correct how we read things. Some are healthy enough to need neither.
I heard the last line of treatment for non compliant minds, or minds resistant to all sorts of psychotic treatments, chemical or others, is ect, electro convulsive therapy: electric shock waves sent to the brain, where a patient is tied to a bed to stop them from falling down (not to stop them from running away!) before electric prods are activated and the body goes into an almighty convulsion or shaking. the sight is not for the uninitiated coz sometimes it’s terrifying to see.
usually one dose of ect is enough to jolt the brain back to normalcy, the result tangible within 1 – 7 days. though in some cases, 3 doses of treatment are needed. and if that does not work, nothing will.
though the mind sometimes recover by itself, finds its own normal and function as such.
did not know they still do this, how do the patients give consent though? if they’re crazy.
mental patients are allegedly never alone though it may seem like it. they are always observed, studied and watched, and regularly reviewed. they have burst of lucid moment. and if deemed normal and cured, they are released.
their next of kin can decide on their behalf. as well, there are independent advocates, social workers and allied health, etc. who can act for the patient’s best interest, apparently. then there is the tribunal, like what brittney spears got.
kb, apparently theres also magnetic stimulation. this stuff is so crazy! for depression though, I’m hearing really good stuff coming from psychedelics.
I remember seeing a youtube video about trepanation while back. kinda similar. ouch.
This is exactly what it felt like me watching the Quadcom hearing (or 1/3 of it) last night. til Inday Sara arrived. like the clouds just parted.
Different people have different needs. My own case was forty years of depression substantially cured through 18 months of medicine that rerouted my brain chemistry. I was half-zombie for 18 months as my typical depressive reaction to things was blunted in favor of subdued responses and rational thought. Others have different needs. Parents of schizophrenic children know the challenges. Or wives of Alzheimer cases. Or women raped, with child. So I think it does little good to formulate rules that others have to live by. They have heavy burdens. Let them lift them as best they can.
Watching this live. if DU30 shows, lets see if theres some Jungian stuff to take away. see you all tomorrow… pop corn in hand. should be interesting.
I had to take a break to look up this guy, he’s really making DU30 nervous i can tell. the others not so much. stupid questions. but Manuel is asking the right questions cuz DU30’s body language is different now. I feel for D5, she just wants to slap DU30 every time he talks. lol. karl, what do you know of this kid?
This guy also did his homework, he had a plan and executed.
I got as far as Inday Sara asking the Chairman if they can just excuse her dad, and the Chairman and Rep. Fernandez (karl said he was an actor before) obliged her. but DU30 said, don’t listen to her she’s just a VP, let’s continue til Kingdom Come. lol.
D5 kicked ass.
Trillanes seems to have the same material. didn’t understand much of his stuff. it was the bank accounts all over again. But D5 mentioned Lambada boys and Bilibid recantations. new stuff. Rep. Luistra was good too. flattery to get at confessions. not sure if they got anything for ICC.
Still digesting it. no Jungian stuff seems to have come out. But now I have to watch the UFO Disclosure hearing here today, so we’ll see if anything Jungian surfaces.
Everyone just eating kinda took me by surprise. lol. I don’t think i’ve ever seen that in any hearings over here.
Oh, i just remembered this (still watching UFO hearing)… DU30 did explain why he wanted an INC police officer specifically because they’re uncorruptable. I’m wondering now if INC over there is viewed like Mormons here working in gov’t. known to be squeky clean folks in gov’t. cuz the US Constitution and the USA itself are divinely inspired in their religion, and why they are all over Fed gov’t here, as well as state and local govts.
I missed this.
But I guess DU30 tried to throw his mic towards Trillanes (talking about signing waiver for bank accounts & hanging himself), and D5 was in between the two (actually there was a priest SVD seated next to D5 then Trillanes). D5 I think really showed grit in this one overall. seemed really amused too at DU30’s stunt.
UFO Disclosure hearing just wrapped. nothing big came out, unlike the one last year. Rep. Boebert made it fun, otherwise nothing. just UFOs in the ocean stuff.
karl, can you make out what Trillanes said to DU30 to taunt him?
lol. i guess had to do with DU30 slapping Trillanes. lol. then Trillanes said something back to DU30. then the mic.
And VP Sara was served an invite to another hearing. Nov. 20. while attending her dad’s hearing.
Although I think its funny their exchange, spinning it as gotcha or that he’s tougher than DU30 is all wrong. D&E voters would see this exchange and conclude Trillanes is picking on DU30 , young vs. old, and the optics of that (like over here) is that you’re suppose to respect your elders. disrespect of elders. no matter the politics etc. Like if it was coming from D5 then fine she has cause, and she did stick it to DU30 but thru what she said which evidencewise seems more than this bank accounts stuff.
But I do think Trillanes bank account stuff should be in court and not in Congress he has enough. so too D5 especially after extra judicial confession (i’ve never heard of this phrase). but the ICC stuff, that DU30 said he wants them to start the investigation already. PBBM needs to make this happen and even pay for DU30 travel expenses to The Hague. because DU30 is getting old, maybe even going senile, so fast track this. But I don’t think Trillanes impressed D&E voters with this stunt. cultural is all,
Heyderian doesn’t seem to get this. he’s focused on this moment not understanding how D&E voters would see it.
Trillanes carries with him the armor of a black knight, from his coup jailing and standoff in the Senate when Calida tried to get him arrested for missing documents, that the State lost. He’s respected as Pacquiao is, I suspect. A fighter. I suspect few DE watch hearings, and if they did, I’d imagine most would admire Trillanes. And De Lima for sitting beside the angry trapped man, looking stone faced or amused.
D5 did look good, Joe. better than in the Senate hearing. she came prepared, and kept rolling her eyes when DU30 talked . it was funny. Trillanes came in much later so missed that bit.
I think Trillanes has had a lot of the bank records for years but could never find an audience with Duterte as President. He was making the point that money from drug lords went to the Duterte family. The House is a good audience.
all the eating and drinking and people in the back ground taking selfies and making funny faces at the camera really threw me off, Joe. but Barbers, and Abante/Fernandez did a really good job, keeping things calm. suspending the hearing every now and then.
They work through lunch. The audience is just more casual than you’d find in US hearings. It’s all good.
DU30 now wants to sue Trillanes for libel. his theory being Trillanes is working directly for PBBM, although its old bank account stuff, he’s being funded by Marcos. so by sueing he’ll smoke out Marcos. this is getting hairier and hairier now , Joe. both DU30 and Inday Sara are directly implicating Marcoses.
Thanks for that Joe.
… and here’s the press conference VP Sara did after her Senate budget thingy, at the very end she was asked about Liza Marcos (the last question) and she was about the answer, but was told by “JC” to save it for the sit down. so theres a tell all coming re Liza Marcos.
It is all a game to your beloved Sara
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/2024/11/15/sara-calls-digong-best-dramatic-actor-after-house-quad-comm-performance-1301
That’s gonna have to be their defense (legally speaking), karl. cuz DU30 did confess, and D5 did have those names, so all they need now are victims. as for Trillanes, he’ll need more. ICC too might be far fetched unless DU30 actually goes to The Hague himself. but as to his non-police DDS, they got him already , karl. that’s why my beloved is trying to cover for her Dad.
“low blood sugar” will be their defense , karl.
I don’t know, all I know is that we don’t need Carl Jung to realize that something mental is going on in Sara Duterte that caused the unraveling we’re seeing lately.
She’s practically transmitting the idea that she’s not fit to be president.
You’re looking thru AB eyes, Juan. look thru DE eyes, they’re gonna make up the bulk of the votes in 2028. cuz this is the same style of defiance that propelled her nationally, when she punched a Sheriff.